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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 2 -1 Wolves : LS7 scored again

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post Sep 25 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:02 AM)
remember...KD is not here to win EPL...hes REBUILDING the team.

I can see him trying out combinations n seeing the strength in each player and realise weaknesses so he knows which part to be fixed.

I think KD just dont want Suarez to kill himself n let him rest early. Liverpool will be in trouble in hes injured.
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& those starting lineup he choose been destroyed by tottenham (except kelly in for RB)....i think all the fan can see those weakness in that match.....can you?
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QUOTE(shinzan @ Sep 25 2011, 12:11 AM)
Suarez got to control himself...should react more professional...
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Just shows how passionate he is with his game. At least he didn't vent all the frustration on someone. 10million times better than Caroll who looked like a dead fish throughout the game.....
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It's the pressure to secure a victory - especially after Spurs trounced us with big scoreline and with the Merseyside derby and the visit of Manchester United around the corner - was all-important to get the 3 points. We will have to buck up and work socks off to kill off this two neighbors and easily 6 points in the bag.
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post Sep 25 2011, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
Just shows how passionate he is with his game. At least he didn't vent all the frustration on someone. 10million times  better than Caroll who looked like a dead fish throughout the game.....
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Did we watch the same match?
He was unlucky not to score.
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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Sep 24 2011, 11:00 PM)
i wonder how liverpool play without suarez.

carroll again like a useless statue and not contribute anything.

hendo start again. hopefully kuyt will not hand a transfer request by next January. Now i really think meireles made the right decision.
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credits must be given if a player play well and here I think Carroll deserve it , willing runner to chase the back and always helpful to defend set piece and corners from Wolves today. Have a few sweet passes today.Can see Suarez been subbed out when he looks tired and we still need carroll to defend corner and set piece.

QUOTE(liverpool2020 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:04 AM)
I wan mourinho as liverpool coach although he is arrogant
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what is so good bout mourinho? he is struggling in La Liga now with his galactico squad.
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
Just shows how passionate he is with his game. At least he didn't vent all the frustration on someone. 10million times  better than Caroll who looked like a dead fish throughout the game.....
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Andy looked alright to me. Made a nuisance of himself. Held the ball up well. Defenders were panicking whenever the correct ball is played to him. No one was actively picking up the scraps around him though.
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Sep 25 2011, 12:15 AM)
Did we watch the same match?
He was unlucky not to score.
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Each to his own mate. You call it luck, I call it skill and passion, in which Caroll lack. Both of them.

This post has been edited by bitebug: Sep 25 2011, 12:18 AM
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post Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Sep 25 2011, 12:12 AM)
So what is the reason for you getting your knickers in a bunch over this substitution?
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Look fitter doesn't mean he is fit. He has fresh legs but he is still unfit. In a game with such high tempo, and gerrard slowly losing his pace of old times, this is very unwise time of substituting Suarez with him. If Adam was the one being replaced by Gerrard, fine, good decision because technically, Adam isn't really good in defending and in terms of passing, Gerrard has an edge over him.

Have you not heard of the saying ' Attack is the best defense'? Suarez was causing all sorts of problems to Wolves' defense and in a month like this where we lose 2 league matches and struggled to beat a championship team in carling cup, I would expect KD to put strongest player on pitch until we get a far convincing result . 2-1 with the shaky defense of ours, taking out the player that was a thorn in opponent's flesh is clearly an unwise move. Still, I prefer Gerrard-Suarez linkup than Gerrard-Carrol. That's the point I m trying to make.

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Sep 25 2011, 12:13 AM)
& those starting lineup he choose been destroyed by tottenham (except kelly in for RB)....i think all the fan can see those weakness in that match.....can you?
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anyway a win still a win and will always happy to take 3 points against a team that beat us last season.Dont forget we created alot of chances from Downing Carroll and Henderson combo today.

QUOTE(bitebug @ Sep 25 2011, 12:14 AM)
Just shows how passionate he is with his game. At least he didn't vent all the frustration on someone. 10million times  better than Caroll who looked like a dead fish throughout the game.....
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come on la dude, at least he work hard to get the ball , track down to help defend and offer threat that created our first goal

QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Sep 25 2011, 12:15 AM)
Did we watch the same match?
He was unlucky not to score.
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agree with you.No understand why ppl is expecting so much from him.
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Sep 25 2011, 12:16 AM)
Andy looked alright to me. Made a nuisance of himself. Held the ball up well. Defenders were panicking whenever the correct ball is played to him. No one was actively picking up the scraps around him though.
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Ya our defend look very shaky. The only defender that perform is Enrique
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:05 AM)
I think what we all doubting here is whether KD trying to pro Carrol or is he making decision based on situation. Or even worse, he trying to justify his statement on Carrol and prove the world wrong. A goal up and you taking out your best player and putting in an unfit player who din play for 6 freaking months? That's seriously wtf.
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It's a no brainer that Suarez shouldnt have been subbed, he was creating chances after chances but at that time i think Kenny was thinking more about the team rather than just one individual. I think his decisions are based on multiple factors but it's obvious he needs to prep Gerrard for match fitness and he can only do that by playing him. Likewise, he also needs to help Carroll find his top form and hte only way Carroll can do that is by playing more minutes. I suppose it does looks like he favors Carroll but he has little choice, we spent 35 mil on the player and some more on other players to bring the best out of Carroll. So he has to make it work one way or the other or the owners will ask serious questions on his purchases.

Ofcourse he took a big risk with the sub and it would reflect badly on him had it backfired. Frankly i thought he left it a bit too late for my liking. And initially i thought Adam needed to be replaced first and foremost because he looked really laborous in the 2nd half and his positioning was getting worse by the minute. But i suppose none of us would know for sure what's in Kenny's mind.


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Carroll did really well la.Played good balls and kept possession and distributed it well.
Thats a big step for me compared to last time where he lost the ball easily and always frustrated.today he was calm.

The only i didnt like was he wasted the chance right at the end. doh.gif

Gerrard coming back to his best, taking long shots biggrin.gif
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The wily old fox is truly the maestro when it comes to putting a system in place that works even with different (and lesser known) players. I'd like to think that he got his inspiration from our Bob Paisley.

We have to admit it and accept it people : LFC is pretty much "work in progress". Look at our passing, our clearances, the way we tackle players for the ball and the way we finish...I just hope the Americans will be patient with KD as he tweaks with the system and the players.

LFC also needs plenty (and I mean really plenty) of luck. Let's tone down our expectations and just hope for the best.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
It's a no brainer that Suarez shouldnt have been subbed, he was creating chances after chances but at that time i think Kenny was thinking more about the team rather than just one individual.  I think his decisions are based on multiple factors but it's obvious he needs to prep Gerrard for match fitness and he can only do that by playing him. Likewise, he also needs to help Carroll find his top form and hte only way Carroll can do that is by playing more minutes. I suppose it does looks like he favors Carroll but he has little choice, we spent 35 mil on the player and some more on other players to bring the best out of Carroll. So he has to make it work one way or the other or the owners will ask serious questions on his purchases.

Ofcourse he took a big risk with the sub and it would reflect badly on him had it backfired. Frankly i thought he left it a bit too late for my liking. And initially i thought Adam needed to be replaced first and foremost because he looked really laborous in the 2nd half and his positioning was getting worse by the minute. But i suppose none of us would know for sure what's in Kenny's mind.
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Exactly. Not only he was slow in tracking back. His misplaced a number of passes late in the game. I was expecting Gerrard replacing him and KD linking up Gerrard with Suarez and Carrol. Turned out, Adam remained on pitch. doh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
Look fitter doesn't mean he is fit. He has fresh legs but he is still unfit. In a game with such high tempo, and gerrard slowly losing his pace of old times, this is very unwise time of substituting Suarez with him. If Adam was the one being replaced by Gerrard, fine, good decision because technically, Adam isn't really good in defending and in terms of passing, Gerrard has an edge over him.

Have you not heard of the saying ' Attack is the best defense'?  Suarez was causing all sorts of problems to Wolves' defense and in a month like this where we lose 2 league matches and struggled to beat a championship team in carling cup, I would expect KD to put strongest player on pitch until we get a far convincing result . 2-1 with the shake defense of ours, taking out the player that was a thorn in opponent's flesh is clearly an unwise move. Still, I prefer Gerrard-Suarez linkup than Gerrard-Carrol. That's the point I m trying to make.
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If Wolves were creating all sorts of problems for us when Suarez was still on, what makes you think we wouldn't have conceded if he had stayed on?
Plus he was tired. King Kenny saw it and took him off.
Carroll was running all over the place too, and he provides better aerial presence, which we needed late in the game when it becomes a long ball game.

As I said, Suarez played throughout the year and needs delicate management.

Also, the midfield performed better when Stevie came on. So what's the problem?
When Rafa made a gamble and it paid off, people hailed it as tactical genius. Now KD's gamble paid off and he is getting slagged off for it?
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QUOTE(leaF @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
anyway  a win still a win and will always happy to take 3 points against a team that beat us last season.Dont forget we created alot of chances from Downing Carroll and Henderson combo today.
come on la dude, at least he work hard to get the ball , track down to help defend and offer threat that created our first goal
agree with you.No understand why ppl is expecting so much from him.
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yes.. a win still a win....but again a mid table teams we play like AT ANFIELD...that so it is not a very good sign dude..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
Look fitter doesn't mean he is fit. He has fresh legs but he is still unfit. In a game with such high tempo, and gerrard slowly losing his pace of old times, this is very unwise time of substituting Suarez with him. If Adam was the one being replaced by Gerrard, fine, good decision because technically, Adam isn't really good in defending and in terms of passing, Gerrard has an edge over him.

Have you not heard of the saying ' Attack is the best defense'?  Suarez was causing all sorts of problems to Wolves' defense and in a month like this where we lose 2 league matches and struggled to beat a championship team in carling cup, I would expect KD to put strongest player on pitch until we get a far convincing result . 2-1 with the shaky defense of ours, taking out the player that was a thorn in opponent's flesh is clearly an unwise move. Still, I prefer Gerrard-Suarez linkup than Gerrard-Carrol. That's the point I m trying to make.
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Suarez was fading towards the end. Plus, in situations like that, you want calmer heads to hold out the last 10 minutes. Remember Lucas for Stevie? Attack is the best defense is such a sweeping statement. Just because it is a statement does not mean is right 100% of the time. And I disagree that bringing Stevie on for Suarez is a downgrade in that situation. Wolves were trying to pin us in or half. Suarez is not gonna be as effective as Stevie when we are pinned that far behind. Stevie offers a 5th man in midfield as well as a potent driving force when the ball is played to Andy.

QUOTE(kakashi44 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
Ya our defend look very shaky. The only defender that perform is Enrique
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I was referring to the Wolves defenders around Andy.
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QUOTE(leaF @ Sep 25 2011, 12:19 AM)
anyway  a win still a win and will always happy to take 3 points against a team that beat us last season.Dont forget we created alot of chances from Downing Carroll and Henderson combo today.
come on la dude, at least he work hard to get the ball , track down to help defend and offer threat that created our first goal
agree with you.No understand why ppl is expecting so much from him.
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Agree bout Downing and Carroll creating a lot of chance. Carroll did improve a lot in this game. He is moving all over the pitch to create chance. However Henderson is very useless in this game. His crosses, passes and positioning suck. I remember there was once the was on the right side and no one was marking him but he make a very very poor cross
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Next game against Everton


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QUOTE(kakashi44 @ Sep 25 2011, 12:25 AM)
Agree bout Downing and Carroll creating a lot of chance. Carroll did improve a lot in this game. He is moving all over the pitch to create chance. However Henderson is very useless in this game. His crosses, passes and positioning suck. I remember there was once the was on the right side and no one was marking him but he make a very very poor cross
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Agreed. Henderson offers nothing at the moment. Would rather play Kuyt on the right.

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