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post May 19 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 19 2014, 11:06 AM)
for a room in a nice apartment?

i used to stay in a nice 1 br apartment in melbourne cbd for just $350 pw nad it's the lowest among other 1br in the same apartment.
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yeah this was studio/1br. 300 sounded cheap. for the location.

i would not mind sharing tho - if you can meet who the other people are and make sure they're clean and not crazy.

but usually the main thing about sharing is lower cost. for that location i dont think 300 is very exp and sharing wouldnt provide the cost benefits. i would enjoy the social side of sharing as long as theyre good ppl.

point is that further places (20-30 min bus one way, or train) cost upwards of 200 or mid 200. staying in the city would eliminate reliance on transport for work.
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post May 19 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ May 19 2014, 03:45 PM)
I'm guessing there are huge difference in size of the place? You are just renting, its temporary, don't like it? Move to another place in 12 months time. I won't be too bothered about this.

Where is it anyway
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it's got a 2000 postcode

good point. just want to "get it right" I suppose

a 1br studio kinda has a minimum size (pretty big), but from the description it seems to be unusually large and spacious. for that rate i'm just wondering what the catch is
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post May 19 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 19 2014, 05:33 PM)
why not you just inspect it?don't judge the room from the picture as it always overly done
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i'm in the exploratory phase. still need 2 crucial factors to be locked in before i can say im going to stay.

any advice on the process would be greatly appreciated. stories from friends, apparently it's hard to find any place at all, people get outbid by a few bucks. what more a find like this.

also once those things get locked down, ill need a place very quick

so probably won't be able to inspect now. just wanted some general thoughts from people with experience. all im seeing at other places is 450, 550 and more.

the picture looks like im showing you a photo of a mansion (big loft) when the actual place could be a HDB room.

QUOTE(randomusername @ May 19 2014, 09:26 PM)
Hmm it was pretty tough to even find a non-masterbedroom for 300 in City 4 years ago, 300 for a studio in postcode 2000 seems like too cheap to be true lol.
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i know. thanks for replying
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post May 19 2014, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 19 2014, 11:07 PM)
most of the agents will only give you the form after the inspection. but as i said, spend a little time for inspection. im sure you duwan to stay in creepy studio room which is pretty common especially with that price in CBD postcode
you could be outbid but what the landlord/agent really want is on time payment. this may sound discriminate but they will also give out based on the name(asian,western,etc)
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yeah... what is creepy studio room hehe

don't want dirty old place for sure

i guess with a steady job and good english they could be satisfied... they could do worse
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post May 19 2014, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 19 2014, 11:29 PM)
i inspected a lot of cheap studio in CBD and as expected, not for human live one.lol
the neighbours all like gangster or smoke weed for living. no offence though
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melb cbd can be bit dodgy

syd i never seen before really... normally suburbs can be like that, cbd more upscale
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post May 20 2014, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 19 2014, 11:53 PM)
u can just look at the building if its old or not.not sure about sydney but i did saw some of them that same as melb
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but at that price shud be worth it, if the inside is ok
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post May 23 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(morgana_jara @ May 20 2014, 09:28 AM)
Another apartment in a central location I saw once was listed for 5 months without any takers, 450/wk for 3bedrooms.  But as there were no pictures on the listing, I guess some people was scared that it was dodgy. One day they put up pictures, open a viewing (which I went to) and got snapped up right after. The apartment was old-fashioned and on the 3rd floor with no stairs but actually pretty decent and in good condition.

Well, conclusion is that don't judge first, go and view the place as long as it meets your budget/requirements. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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wow. thanks for sharing!
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post May 23 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 22 2014, 10:43 AM)
If you intend to buy apartment in the city, suggest that to be secured. I remember during my uni times decades ago, we stayed in Sydney CBD. Just next to Redfern. Abo came out robbing students and break-ins. Rental wise is pricey. Those days 2 bedroom apartment rented at $450/week. Just flipped thru the web realised rental shooting up at 700/week  rclxub.gif  It's a dodgy suburb but still expensive.
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crazy!
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post May 23 2014, 06:29 PM

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For those with experience renting in Syd/Melb, are there any trusted sites, or anything goes?

Cheers
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post May 24 2014, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ May 24 2014, 03:04 PM)
any draft yet? wink.gif
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still waiting... so late liao but could be a week, 2-3 weeks?

future depends on it

hope for actual list, not draft
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post May 24 2014, 08:08 PM

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lot of rumours Accounting is going to stay on

personally, though, they've been giving out PRs to Accounting graduates with very loose criteria for a long time now

you don't need a minimum level of academic achievement, just a skills assessment which is straightforward when you have the right degree

if they are looking for highly skilled, experienced managers and accountants (I can't imagine why there would be a shortage) they need to amend the system to stop that flow of grads - surely there are more than enough grads to satisfy the market

simply taking it off the SOL or CSOL isn't the right fix

grads are another issue because of the debate about education's importance to the economy

before the potential fee increase international students effectively mass-subsidised the system (as they did in the UK)
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post May 24 2014, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 24 2014, 08:50 PM)
Actually accounting has a more stringent requirement than engineering as accountants had a stipulated minimum score to get a skills assessment. Engineering does not.

Yes, there's pretty much a glut in accounting, nursing and a few other sectors. I believe that if grad stats for each degree show that there's more than 10 percent unemployment after 6 months, the government should put a brake on things to cool down demand.

Either way the TR visa with 2 years post work study I believe is a fine way to help the international market, as long as  not required professions are left off the list and TRs aren't allowed to move on to PRs if their occupations are experiencing a glut.
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the new TRs aren't linked to any SOL so in a way it's worse

also sucks there was no 'transition' arrangement when they brought the new TR in with restriction
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post May 26 2014, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(dynamic123 @ May 26 2014, 08:46 AM)
with PR and visa is hard bro.
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not that hard, if you have PR

depends on industry and level

for me, I think if I had PR I would've found a grad job a month or more ago

not to mention locals often get jobs at the start of their final year of school, if they're just good enough

QUOTE(Soony @ May 26 2014, 09:37 AM)
Its almost impossible unless you plan to get a job in the chinese restaurant.
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yes, almost impossible. for a long time I thought it was zero chance. then I saw other people get them. hopefully i can too.

QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ May 26 2014, 04:50 PM)
I am going over I a few weeks and I plan to buy a laptop to bring over. Any idea which brand has international warranty and good warranty service especially in Australia? I know Apple is good, just want to know what is my other options.
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Dell coverage is pretty good worldwide and they cover here, but I have not tried on site service in Australia

QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 26 2014, 05:01 PM)
To be honest, just the bloody IELTS pulling ye, I bet you catch any angmoh here, they don't even get 6!
It's just like you're chinese, not all chinese really so expert in chinese language in writing, speaking, listening or watever module.
It's just an excuse given by gov so far. Pretty unfair really.
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6 would be easy. the difference between 6 and 8 is pretty wide. 8 and above is near perfect in terms of the exam standard, although it isn't necessarily 'perfect' English. my recent test (2nd time since the first one before uni) I got two 8.0, so barely made it. hopefully in the future I can apply for PR and put this to use.
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post May 26 2014, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(thecontrails @ May 26 2014, 02:01 PM)
http://penangmonthly.com/migrate-for-what/
Read the above article, written by our fellow Malaysian living in Australia. Thing doesn't seem to good in Australia?
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Ok, it's not a very well written article - I know all you did was share the article but I'm sharing my opinion. But to the point, he is talking about growth potential and opportunities in Malaysia. Developed market vs mature market. This is not a realisation of wealth. More like the lost dreams of someone who has failed to make it in Australia - I don't know his background so I don't know if he has made it wherever, but that's what the article seems to say.

Say what you want about emerging or developing markets, many of them have not lived up to expectations. Malaysia has certainly not reached its potential (and it won't, if it continues like this). Russia, Brazil, South Africa have not either.

If Malaysia could realise its full potential, it might be a more exciting place. But that remains to be seen. What I can say at the present is Australia is more attractive, and if you build something here long-term, it could work out really well. Imagine you work the same boring job, in Malaysia or Australia. The pay in Australia after tax and core expenses might even exceed the gross pay in Malaysia, after conversion (not including mortgages, but I've said before city property in Malaysia is expensive too).

Regarding welfare in Australia, systems around the world are far from perfect, but Australia's is pretty damn generous. If anything, it's too generous, and highly at risk of being underfunded. Something the lay person seems to fail to understand. It's too much of a disincentive to work for those low or average income workers, especially if they have some excuse. A disability or mental health issue is unfortunate, but if you can work you should. The safety net is for legitimately disabled or unfortunate people.

Not sure what oppressive tax system means. If he means taxes are high, well most Western, matured economies are high tax, and pro welfare. But incomes are also high and it's important to realise net income may well be far higher, so it's not so important that Malaysia has what's seen as a lower tax rate. Yes, you pay a larger % of your income as tax, but what comes out of that (public spending) should also be considered, and you would take home more anyway.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 26 2014, 06:26 PM)
My general 2 cents are simple in regards to the Australian economy. If you aren't in a sector which produces a sizeable chunk of GDP/per capita workforce or has the potential to expand that metric then it's a bit of a toss. Go somewhere else.

My personal picks are;

- Offshore oil (Land based gas will go out of style once current main phase is over in 5 to 10 years)
- Unconventional Oil and Gas
- Mining (Panning out but wages are still high)
- High Tech Materials and Chemicals (Production)
- Defence (High Tech, Airborne and Marine)

I mean if I wanted a shitty wage and little to no advancement I'd save the money spent to move here.
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I disagree. Australia is very high income, and so you can get paid very well, it doesn't have to be oil and gas, resources.

Expenses are not cheap. But they're not that bad. You can look at other similar developed economies (population of 100% to 200%, close GDP per capita, mature with close demographics) and in many of them their wages are not that high yet their expenses are fairly high or comparable.

Advancement is a different thing. Can't be boiled down to an industry specific thing. Too many factors. Luck, personality, timing. In Malaysia you can also work hard but not everyone advances. Do you need to be the boss in Australia? You'll make more than bosses do in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 26 2014, 06:51 PM)
If you consider the median wage being 60000 dollars and the average wage of 77000 dollars. I usually tend not to hold out a lot of hope for industries that do not punch above their weight (generally speaking revenue and turnover divided by total workforce).

Generally you have to be realistic with yourself and ask; Are your given qualifications and skills poised to advance in the economy? Can you make up for the original deficit and disadvantage if you move here? If you could, how long would it take? 

Moving here isn't for everyone. I personally know a lot of people with masters degrees working at McDonalds and still pining for career break when they're better off moving back home and using their local advantage to break in. All in all it really depends.

I personally see myself hitting a wall in terms on unconventional in the 3 year future and that's why I'm getting ready to leave. Once you're in the labour market you tend to see the limits that are set.
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don't know if a Master's degree has much value, given how easy it is to get one, and the quality of institutions awarding them, really. so i'll put that aside

i think if you're in a regular industry it's still okay. Australia is mature, can't expect many industries to be booming. if you can get a job, with a little luck and hard work, you can live a comfortable life, and not have to deal with the BS everyday in Malaysia. if you talk about starting a business, maybe elsewhere is better. just don't get into pharmaceuticals.

but no, you shouldn't be moving if you can't see yourself getting a good job. Australia is competitive, sure, but depends on where. you can see a lot of people getting paid big salaries to do fuk all (sure it happens in Malaysia too). other people fighting and still not getting jobs.

if you mean deficit, I assume you mean the costs of going through an agency to get a PR.


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post May 26 2014, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(morgana_jara @ May 26 2014, 07:25 PM)
When I graduated from an Australian university I made the choice to go back home to work. There was just too much competition and people I know who graduated earlier were either working part-time jobs or in very small companies with little to no chance at advancement. Of course that said I do know people who managed to get good, well-paying jobs and are advancing well in their chosen industries.

Now that I'm thinking of going back to Australia it feels like I have even less of a chance to enter. At least after I graduated there might still be a small chance since I was still living there, but now living and working overseas, need to get PR or a TR first before can even consider applying for a job there  sweat.gif
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what year did you graduate, isn't it too late for a TR?

and what field, PR is really sensitive to that

QUOTE(empire23 @ May 26 2014, 07:35 PM)
but if I wanted to work in call centre for ANZ I'd have stayed in Malaysia
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maybe true that, it's not worth leaving if that's all you're gonna be doing

I guess for me it's very different, I'm not really leaving behind that much

but for someone who can take most of their family with them, they may well have a far more pleasant life here

it is "skilled" migration after all, no one gets a visa for the purpose of doing generalist jobs... they are abusing or misusing their visa whether or not it is by choice
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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ May 26 2014, 10:01 PM)
Well,for those who has PR, they always have a choice, an alternative, a fall back, some prefer Australia and some prefer APAC countries like SG and MY. So its always better to have an option(s), at least after few years I can come back and complain..why need migrate, but during my retirement I can go back to Australia etc.
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that's right, the choice is really important

and it also opens up opportunities elsewhere if you get Australian citizenship but most would be happy with PR
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QUOTE(manickam123 @ May 26 2014, 11:21 PM)
if you choose the Australian citizenship then you have to hush hush about that to the Malaysian authorities.

Its very tricky to have dual citizenships as Australia requires an Australian passport holder to use Australian passport when he or she returns to Australia not foreign passport. So when you fly to Malaysia, use Malaysian passport but return use Australian passport. Then next time you go back to Malaysia, you think you won't kena caught, when they look at your passport, wonder why you disappear, you left Malaysia, but no record in your Malaysian passport of you going somewhere.

Malaysian immigration are not stupid. They even got a deal with Singapore immigration to share database. My friend whose two children hold msia-singapore passports, got reminded by both nations that when they reach 18, they can only decide one country or else they will go stateless.
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just hypothetical since I don't have any form of any other passport

but is going through Singapore then an issue? only if they check will it look like you spent an incredibly long time in Singapore when in reality you only passed through

otherwise go through Indonesia
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post May 27 2014, 11:23 AM

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For those leaving Malaysia for Australia you may need to revise expectations downwards.

After all Australia works differently and you can't expect all your experience to be transferable. Don't forget Malaysia's status and reputation in the international community is far from the best ... put aside all the bad stuff that happens all the time, Malaysia is so small and underdeveloped in comparison many people in the West or with Western backgrounds still don't know who we are. Put it this way, MH370 put us on the map.

For a business or company in Australia, it takes a lot of optimism for them to want to take the risk and hire a non-local. So you need to really impress them. I don't know what the job market is like for experienced hires or professionals, but for jobs that are not super highly specialised, you won't get a job if you're not seen as committed... living and preferably working in the country already. And even if you are already doing that you need to work really hard - without networks it can be a huge struggle. As a student I've done easily 1000-2000 job applications and have about a 1% success rate in getting interviews (and hopefully a 0.1% success rate in landing work).

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