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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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post May 7 2014, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ May 7 2014, 05:48 AM)
Which field are you in? Just try your best as you ll never know what you can get. I really hope they don't remove most skills from the SOL man. If not the education industry might just die off since students can't get job nor Pr after graduation.
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mine is mentioned earlier, one of those business disciplines but not accounting

as for the PR i can understand the whole situation... I am not eligible for PR after uni, but all the IT and Accounting students got PRs a few weeks after graduating. My discipline has hundreds, but not the 10s of thousands that IT and Accounting has. They get PR without being that good at English (age points, or you can take IELTS as many bloody times as you want) or without any experience, proof of their skills/ability... seriously just a pass degree

i hope mine doesnt get taken off

QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 7 2014, 12:00 PM)
last  i heard they going to remove most of the IT such as Business Analyst in SOL.
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they flagged a lot this time, dunno
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post May 7 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 7 2014, 02:59 PM)
no, fresh grad(providing they grad at the age below 25) must have at least all 7 in ielts to get enough point for PR and to get 7 is not easy especially for PRC students but oh well, they are rich enough to do a small business and get a business visa
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those PRCs who can't get 7 are not going to get interviews anyway

many can get 7, just brute force... you do it enough and you can
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post May 8 2014, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 8 2014, 12:31 AM)
Wanna listen real story? My ex-company gets 10 PRC workers on 457. They can't speak a shit of english and getting IELTS passed! Serious? YES!
How? These results can be bought from China. How much? I don't know. Just spoken with them recently. All you need to do is pay.
Wanna listen another one?
Say a PRC guy need to get a PR. So he found a company, asking this company to sponsor him over as staff. Once getting 457, the company get paid by the applicants and bank in the money fortnightly to pay himself a salary. These are the loopholes going on now. DIAC still figure out how to resolve these issue. That's why they put IELTS in the toughest score to 'make sure' no ah kau ah mao simply come in to work.
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yeah i know that's why it's quite hard for us honest ppl
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post May 8 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ May 8 2014, 01:07 PM)
Would be great if you could provide more information like payscale, state you're living in, are you going alone? and so on.

Hmmm, if the company applies a working visa for you, normally it will get approved pretty soon, in a week or so. So, you dont have to worry about it.

I guess personally for me is because I studied in Australia, hence I would like to continue working here besides getting paid better than in Msia.
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i only wish i could stay

money is not the biggest thing, but there are enough people here on graduate salaries (first job out of school) that, after conversion to ringgit, are higher than what many 50 yo ++ experienced workers in Malaysia earn.

conversion not fair you say? costs high in Australia? dollar for dollar, starting pay in Australia can still be 30% to 50% higher, easily. dollar for dollar avg house price in Sydney and KL are comparable. groceries wise, I'm a really big eater here (eat a lot not weigh a lot), $15 can supply two fresh, high quality (no processed or instant shit) meals containing meat, vegetables and carbs for two big-eating persons and still have food to spare. Barely $4 a meal so if you are not a massive eater maybe $2 or $3 is enough. Try finding this in KL. RM4 for your groceries per meal. Even a mixed rice at RM4 is not a lot of food.

Australian weather is pretty nice - except for the hot summers. But it is not hot year round.

Workers here (well the line I am hoping to get into) are friendly, sophisticated, mature. They like to work efficiently and smart. It's argued some are overpaid and I don't dispute that. But it's something I've yet to observe or experience in Malaysia (they exist but very rare)




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post May 10 2014, 01:14 PM

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I got all 8/9 but still waiting for TR news, very unlucky I started uni before end 2011

Anyone knows what date SOL change is to be announced?
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post May 11 2014, 06:18 PM

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Any idea when the SOL will be released? I know it was mentioned here last year's was in June. Hoping this year it's sooner but when?

http://www.afr.com/p/national/professional...z0ddmX778vUf34H
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post May 11 2014, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 11 2014, 08:19 PM)
Always June the 30th with implementation on July the First.

Anyways, anyone here working for GE Oil and Gas? I'm mulling the option of joining em.
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Walao don't scare me. From internet searches it was first week of June last year...


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post May 11 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ May 11 2014, 10:01 PM)
Things that are not the same if I live in australia (relate to me personally)

1. My family, friends and relatives
2. My business and government contact
3. Low tax rate
4. Food (and its operating hours)
5. Good shopping centres (and its operating hours)
6. Better geographical location to travel to other countries like Europe and Asia
Things that I miss out if I don't live in australia

1. Cheap and good education
2. Good political environment
3. Weather (I like country with 4 seasons)
4. Nice people
5. Cheap cars
6. Great memories of the days I lived in australia
7. and Red Rooster  tongue.gif
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taxes paid to the Australian government pay dividends in the form of superior public transport systems, certain medical/pharmaceutical benefits, higher education, etc. not to mention incomes are relatively higher in Australia so income net of tax is in most cases still higher (most people don't make enough to go over the 40%+ tax rate)

Malaysian tax rates are by no means low... check out Hong Kong and Singapore. Australia's high tax rate is typical of a mature and developed Western country. No matter how little or much tax you pay in Malaysia it still seems wasted.

shopping centre and supermarket operating hours vary by location and operator... you can still go out late at night and get food in many places, but certainly won't find things like those 24-7 mamaks everywhere - try to live in a busier place

geographically, Australia is only a few hours further from Europe than Malaysia is. this is a poor argument. Malaysia would be considered quite far from Europe already. ASEAN sure, but even that is highly accessible from Australia.

any education would be "good" when compared to a shit one, but let me tell you Australia is not known for cheap or good education... great country but education is generally expensive and quality is highly debatable


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post May 12 2014, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 11 2014, 11:53 PM)
Announcements are usually in the ballpark of June but implementation is always July the first. A lot of the other changes have come very suddenly and without transitional arrangements.

But those dickheads at the DIAC usually time it so that onshore applications are nearly impossible to complete within the time frame.

IIRC You did actuarial science so you need to get your skills assessed by Actuaries Institute and then via VETASSESS which usually take their own sweet time. So you get an extra hurdle.
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the 'other changes' that are sudden I cannot anticipate. what I am concerned about are the 1 July changes and what time they will be made known. the sooner the better because it could have big implications.

last year it was made known almost a month in advance. for a TR application that is plenty of time. my time related issue has to do with graduation, rather than the announcement of the news.

from what I read, it's just VETASSESS. would you care to elaborate? also it only requires that you've applied, not that you've succeeded, at the time you apply.
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post May 12 2014, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 12 2014, 12:23 AM)
Usually VETASSESS will determine the conditions for a positive "assessment". The problem is that they don't have a published and rigid criteria for most occupations unlike other bodies which operate off the "You fulfill A, B and C you get a positive assessment". That in itself is a bit of a shitfight.

Well hopefully the DIAC releases the news soon anyways.

Praying for no budget surprises tomorrow as that'll f*** over everything lol
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i don't foresee any issues with assessment unless SOL changes

really hoping for no change to the SOL. friggin life or death situation.

1 July is terrible timing, a week later would've been ok. it will matter for me if the SOL changes. if not, great.
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post May 12 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 12 2014, 12:03 PM)
that's why graduate on 1st semester is not worth at all if you intend to get PR,etc. your student visa only valid till end of august and only have about 2 months to stay. if you graduate at end of the year then at least your student visa can valid until march(unless it's changed recently)
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there are a lot of other problems with 1st semester that have nothing to do with PR

as for the visa it expires september, so it's about the same as 2nd semester or a bit less

my problem is not related to the student visa expiry... even if I was a 2nd semester graduate for this year, I would still have the SOL problem... you can't change things unless you shifted everything through time
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post May 13 2014, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ May 13 2014, 09:04 PM)
The original idea was to avoid losses due to currency conversion..hence keeping the AUD as it is...could be handy having some AUD too..
So based on your suggestion, you think it's best to convert them back to myr and put into a fixed deposit account?
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AUD interest rates are at a historic low. They might go up in the short term, but very slowly.

If you change back to MYR and can find high interest savings products, that might minimize your losses.
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post May 15 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 15 2014, 01:29 PM)
I heard 'VET ARSES' wat ever u name them is really an arsehole. Heard they'll play around with ye....be prepare
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seemed ok over the phone

you will see this a lot in Australia... the people manning IELTS, vetassess, post office are all migrants...

so are the migrants hating on future migrants?

QUOTE(empire23 @ May 15 2014, 02:49 PM)
If you really want a job try Field IT.

- Awesome money (110k a year is minimum)
- Will sponsor PR (via ENS)
- Living costs sponsored for 2 weeks in a month
- Roster living conditions and your own room

Tons of jobs. Because no one wants to apply. Usually for every 10 jobs you apply for 2 will come back with a request for interview.
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wow, too good to be true? living costs?!
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post May 15 2014, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 15 2014, 03:16 PM)
If you really want an IT job and easy PR, these are the places to go. But 3 years out there to meet your PR requirements will screw with your brains somewhat.
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3 years for IT PR because no Australian study points?
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post May 15 2014, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 15 2014, 06:29 PM)
No living costs. You live in a camp which is paid for by the company.

The camp I'm based out has the rooms cleaned by room service twice a week. You pay nothing to live there. It is a self contained city.
2 years under 457 due to the requirements for the 186 visa. 2 years means your IELTS requirements drop to band 5.
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I see, sounds like a dorm. But you say "city" like it's a dense metropolis.

Wow, band 5.

I see, no idea about 186. Myself I'm probably gonna go 485 and then 189. Already have the all 8 IELTS but unfortunately did not study Accounting or IT. Very difficult to get a 457.
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post May 15 2014, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 15 2014, 08:23 PM)
Just apply and say you need a visa. Out of our last intake, 30 percent were brought in from overseas.

It is like a dorm, but each person gets a room with their own satellite TV, work table, closet, bathroom and bed. None of that sharing bull. There's a catch though. They don't like you leaving. Both entry and exit are extremely controlled, we are advised to never interact with the locals.
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interesting point

leaving as in stepping out of the compound?

why what's with the 'locals'?
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post May 15 2014, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ May 15 2014, 08:38 PM)
Yeah, the compound is totally gated, we do not leave unless for work. They even have radars to make sure we don't speed laugh.gif

It is expected that everything we do stays within the company. We are not allowed to discuss plans, work or any operational detail with people outside. It is an instant dismissal offence. Policy of minimal communal impact deters us from interaction.

But we do occasionally drive to Dalby to buy KFC tongue.gif
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walao so top secret and locked down

ppl family in there?
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post May 16 2014, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(randomusername @ May 15 2014, 11:04 PM)
Came across this randomly over the internet, take a look at the comments below the article, not too rosy it seems.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/ove...917884914?pg=1#
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sob story but the problem is this individual is underqualified for a lot of jobs. not only trade jobs but graduate skilled jobs too. when some of the brightest people are being turned down because of competition, you need more than just a random Master's. you need a great deal of luck, know how to sell yourself and build networks, and target.


QUOTE(randomusername @ May 15 2014, 11:49 PM)
Yes you can, but in terms of procedure it is more complicated if you want to keep the money in AUD. Put it simply, you need to have a minimum sum on hand to open a foreign currency current account/FD here, and we are talking probably about 5k AUD. You can't (or not that I know of) open a foreign currency account with zero balance and wait for the TT to come over. Well i was definitely not willing to change an extra 5k AUD just so i can open an account here and TT my AUD back.

Of course, if you want to receive it in the local currency here, then there is no issue with TT. The guy said he has already brought it over in bank draft form, so I assume TT is out of the question.
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oh wasn't aware of this problem. cos i thought usually you could buy AUD, then send that over to Australia. sending enough of it back should satisfy them without having to make an initial large deposit. doesn't make sense, but im sure you've checked out other banks
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 16 2014, 01:40 PM)
To be honest, i would say migrants who stayed here some may hate future migrants coming in. Probably they coming in with cheaper rates and rice bowl snatcher....haha. Well, that's depends on how good you are and always stay competitive.

I do find some new migrants from other country doing damn good job than Ozzie. Good to have them here too.
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of cz those long-time migrant Australians may not always like the quality of new migrants

but new migrants in general face much greater hurdles... altho it depends, sometimes the later you come in the better since the rules keep on changing
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post May 19 2014, 09:56 AM

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anyone live or work in Sydney?

just wanted some advice on renting

checking out CBD studios circa $300 pw

then I know students in eastern suburbs pay $220+ pw anyway in shared houses

$300 worth it if near office?

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