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post Oct 26 2014, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 26 2014, 12:06 PM)

Plus with your level of English, nobody would hire you.

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Sadly that's not true at all. I'm not suggesting this individual will be hired despite his/her English language skills, but I am saying that English doesn't seem to matter as much as it should.

I think it might have to do with the talent pool available. If the majority of a talent pool share a background which includes poor English skills, it's not surprising that in the workforce you encounter a lot of people with bad English.

It is not that the section of talent that speaks and writes English well is lacking. So I'm not even sure why this happens.
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post Nov 9 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(junky_89 @ Nov 9 2014, 04:39 PM)
May I know how is the job prospect for pharmacist in Australia?
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i did some research back in school related to the healthcare industry

pharmacies, especially independents, are struggling big time. drug companies too. the government controls very tightly the prices that drugs can be sold, so margins can be very low.

if you're part of a giant chain or maybe if you're an industrial pharmacist, it might be ok. independent retail, big no no.
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post Nov 9 2014, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(junky_89 @ Nov 9 2014, 07:32 PM)
How do you know that how much is the starting salary for a fresh graduate pharmacist in Australia?
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lol, how would i know how much graduate pharmacists get paid. this is a case where the variance estimate would be more accurate than the estimate itself.

best you can look for is the industry surveys. but these are flawed so don't take them too seriously. small sample size, respondent bias, etc.

you can also look at average salaries and average graduate salaries and try to guess how much higher or lower a pharmacist graduate's pay should be relative to that.
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post Nov 11 2014, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Nov 10 2014, 12:26 PM)
Generally about 38k a year. About 10 percent to 15 percent more if you work in government.
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Wow, I had no idea.

Even policy, legal, accounting grads earn way more.
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post Nov 12 2014, 03:01 PM

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Accounting students being trolled in the media right now
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post Nov 13 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Nov 13 2014, 01:41 PM)
source please. Sorry, aus media kind of  sweat.gif
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Source of what? They're being trolled so no need for a source.

I am also being trolled by extension though I am not an accountant or accounting student.
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post Nov 13 2014, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Nov 13 2014, 06:55 PM)
this is related but there were several articles saying accounting was cut from the list, then more articles later which said it wasn't
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post Dec 4 2014, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Dec 4 2014, 07:19 AM)
Cause Australia's infrastructure is really 10, 20 years behind even compared to Malaysia.

And cause you'll most likely be starting over again if you move here, why is that a career advancement? Career opportunities are there to grab, but it is less compared to most countries and it will be harder for you since you'll be taking a step back before moving forward.

Just trying to set your expectation right, then you can appreciate and enjoy the new life here.
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really meh?

they don't have tall city buildings (40 stories already considered one of the tallest) but they got the basics right. drink water from tap. trains are not fast but comfortable and effective. buses are mostly good. roads are nice.

in Malaysia can you drink tap water
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post Dec 5 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Dec 5 2014, 07:45 AM)
Lousy internet - not much different from Malaysia but if you compare it to other developed country?
Lousy train system - Not a problem for me cause I don't use it
Second airport (Sydney) that takes 20 years to plan and consult. While the current airport have heavy traffic and frequent flights delay all the time

And many other small stuff like banks takes 24 hours to transfer your money, errors in bank statement, electricity bills etc all the time. But you get the picture.
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I'm not sure what you mean by lousy internet. Yes South Korea, Japan, maybe some European countries have super fast internet. I don't think it's Australia's problem really, are consumers willing to pay more for faster internet technology? I agree comms networks are a problem in many areas though.

It is much different to Malaysia. Malaysia only recently got fibre broadband and high speed. Before that I was dcing every 2 seconds for fuks sake.

Train system is not the best in the world but I wouldn't say lousy - maybe I'm wrong as I am not a frequent user. But just look at Malaysia's system, Australia's is really good already. Malaysia is fairly developed in most aspects yet the train system sucks balls.

Malaysia also has plenty of airport development problems. KLIA is just an exception to the rule.

Your other criticisms are not really related to big picture infrastructure. Yes they can be a pain but not something you don't experience in Malaysia frequently too.

I think in short Australia's infrastructure is ahead of Malaysia and there's no doubt of the quality of life.


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post Dec 8 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 7 2014, 07:09 PM)
Actually also depends on industry and seniority la. I'm pretty sure the take home pay for a  CEO in a public listed company in malaysia > australia. Why? Australia is an egalitarian society.
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I agree it is very much an egalitarian society, even a paradise if compared to an extreme example like Malaysia. Malaysia is a crazy example where CEO salaries are wildly inflated.

But there are still accusations of elitism and favouritism, for example in the public service (the public service is huge), and in some large private sector firms (those with a long history or legacy or ties to government, where the passage of time has given rise to these issues). Obviously it is nowhere near as extreme as in Malaysia, and it is not as big of a problem as in the US or the UK.

I haven't been here long enough to see it happen but it's not hard to see that the right conditions are there for corruption and favouritism to happen on a large scale.

And yes, depends on industry. Certain industries will pay a lot more at the bottom and at the top (finance, resources). It is how the economy works (they take a lot more risks than most lawyers, engineers, teachers).

QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 7 2014, 07:09 PM)
They are allegic to people earning obscene amounts.
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I read that the first time as allergic to people spending obscene amounts. Haha. They are trying to outspend Malaysia maybe.
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post Dec 30 2014, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(adreina @ Dec 30 2014, 01:44 PM)
My cousins there too. Working at restaurant as he just SPM leaver.

His weekly pay around 700aud and he is glad. Accommodation and meal covered. Which compared to here he earned around RM2k.

So I would said is really depends how much you earn back here in Malaysia to determine worth or not for that kind of salary in AUS.
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That is really high pay considering accommodation (the most expensive thing for anyone by far) is covered and food too. Plus he is not diploma/degree/trade qualified and only working in restaurant business (which, to be fair, you don't need professional qualifications for, so anyone can do it).

How lucky is he and how do the rest of us get that action?

QUOTE(rickrick @ Dec 30 2014, 04:26 PM)
If anyone's planning to work in Perth ( working visa ) then you can try McD spearwood ( very dodgy area ), but I've worked there for 2 years ( seen a body infront of store, hostage situation, etc-etc ).

If you're over 21 and willing to work from 10pm to 6am, pay is $22, late night rate 4 hours $24.50.
If you're a girl you can work as cashier, guy work at the back.

But it's a bone breaking job, good luck. If you ain't rich and you wanna survive in Australia you gotta work hard then.
Suck it up or go back to where you came from.
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What the fcuk, body and hostage and you're recommending ppl to work there? We barely got over the siege.

Bit sexist right if girl work front only... Aussie girls are attractive but you don't find a lot of them at fast food counters. They got the waitressing and bartending gigs. Or fashion outlets.

Bone breaking? Sounds like fun.
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post Dec 30 2014, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(rickrick @ Dec 30 2014, 11:25 PM)
lol thats because all the heavy lifting and machine cleaning are all done by guys of course.
The reason I recommend that place is because they are always hiring new staffs.
I've been there for 2 years, have to survive mate no choice.
The pay was great, job was tiresome but not stressful, I just need to complete everything and off I go ( get free breakfast as well lol ).
But the job really screwed up my lifestyle.

Night shifts 99% you would get it because nobody wanna work there
I mean if you're on a 1 year working visa you could possibly saved up to $10 to 20k easily working there.

My old korean housemate manage to save around $10k just by working at a cafe which pays $18/h, but he gets free food and don't often go out.

But he was paying $140/week rent and only does one job, while my other McD taiwanese workmate was paying $90/week rent from a taiwanese landlord.
She was working 2 jobs and gets free food as well from the other job. I reckon she would have saved a lot !

if not china town and earn $10 per hour, up to those who wish to go there and work.
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interesting.

city life is costing a lot! 10 20k sounds like crazy. 90 dollar rent, live in sweatshop?
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post Dec 31 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(rickrick @ Dec 31 2014, 07:00 AM)
There are rooms where you can share it with another person, hence the cheap rent  smile.gif Utility bills are all included as well ( look up gumtree )
Not within the city of course, you won't get that kind of rate even if you share the room.
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over here, share rooms could be like 150-250 near city. slightly away from city (bus) for single room is like 200-250+. before utilities normally but those are very little.
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post Feb 17 2015, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Feb 16 2015, 06:03 PM)

Unlike in Malaysia or Singapore however, Aussies are very choosy in selecting candidates, they would rather not employ anyone at all and leave the vacancy open than employing the less than ideal candidate (I have worked in Malaysia for 5 years and in Singapore for 1 year, I gathered that they will lower their standard and get someone in to do the job if they are desperate, I might be wrong)

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I have this perception too.

In Asia, they might lower the $$$ and hire the person they need, but don't really want.

In other countries, they'll keep the $$$ the same and hold out for the right candidate. They might even increase the $$$ for the perfect candidate (although this is common in Asia too, probably).
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post Mar 14 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Mar 14 2015, 12:47 AM)
Btw, there is still healthy demand for accountants, just that it is not evenly distributed - there is shortage at the senior, experience level and in places other than Melbourne/Sydney. You may stand a higher chance if you are willing to work in say.. Gold coast or Adelaide or somewhere but then I suppose that defeats the purpose as most ppl wants to stay in Sydney and Melb.
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Lol, who would not want to live in the gold coast if given a chance.

Jobseekers these days (depending on their priorities) should be quite flexible. Graduates especially. Many people wouldn't object to moving interstate.

QUOTE(Gazprom200 @ Mar 14 2015, 09:51 AM)
How come nobody thought about re-education i.e. studying or re-studying to be tradesperson job like electricians, air-con servicing technician, car mechanic or nursing? Those could potentially pay much more than accounting and finance or whatever "professional" jobs. There is a serious shortage of skilled tradesperson and nursing that at one point that students (i think it was nursing) was offered multiple jobs with very decent salary and fast tracked PR priority. It also comes with less job insecurity
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Tough. Those jobs are often performed by people without formal higher education (Bachelor's and up). To ask someone with one or more degrees that cost thousands to invest more time and money into something completely different and foreign to them, instead of enhancing the qualifications or skills they already have, can be a hard sell.


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post Mar 18 2015, 06:45 PM

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One thing I can say is a good cover letter can go a long way with the right people.

Australia is no different to Malaysia... high level (middle, senior mgmt and above) executives are busy and have no time to deal with small fish if they think it's not worth their time. Just think, if you were smack in the middle of your uni exams and I ask you to do this do that, what is your response. So for them, reading a chunky email from a stranger is the same feeling I would say. Unless they were particularly free at that moment.

But like some people, occasionally they are willing to come out (of their office) or invite you in to meet with them. Networking, as they say. Obviously they are doing you a massive favour as every minute you spend with them is valuable to you but costly to them. They are doing it out of kindness, and compassion, maybe they have gone through this before and know the feeling. Or they may be curious (also a good thing, but in this case sometimes they are wasting your time).

Also in Australia it is damn near impossible to score an internship if you're an international. There's too many PRs around. I pretty much gave up on internships. Many interns are immediately offered full time jobs halfway or towards the end of their short experience with the company. Whether they are super interns or not is a different story.

QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Mar 15 2015, 03:32 PM)
If it is the Aussie laid-back lifestyle you are looking for, then my advice is not to work in Big-4, consulting firms or IBs, and do not work in Sydney and Melb, because contrary to the common belief, people work late here as well, esp in Syd and Melb. That is because situations are getting more competitive now and there are more.. Asians coming in which bring along their "strong" work ethics as well.

If you want a laid-back lifestyle, you should go to commercial and be an accountant. However, tendency of you being fired is likely because that is just the way business work here. One of the big advantage of working in Big-4s are slightly better job security. The job will most job security is the Big-4 banks, or so I heard.

It is not all that rosy here anyways. The engine of growth and the future lies with Asia, my friend. A lot of capable Aussies actually moved to HK and SG to work mainly because.. tax rate are lower and the quality of life is higher there (depending on how you interpret that, for some of them I know, that is what they say)

It is a funny world where we want to move there and the locals want to move away.

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Some Big 4 accounting firms are pretty okay. At least from what I've seen. May be cyclical. Big 4 banks have a stronghold on the commercial market. But they should be careful, get too fat you'll need to cut eventually.

QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Mar 17 2015, 05:49 PM)
Hi there Caspersky,

Looks like you found my thread here smile.gif

Each Big 4 has its own unique culture I think. For example, in terms of ppl culture, EY stands out (based on my exp in EY Msia, EY Aus and maybe EY SG, due to many of my friends working there), and PwC is very elitism (It is the same in Msia, SG and Aus too). I obviously dunno know Deloitte and KPMG because I never work with them before. Generally Msia and SG is pretty much similar.

Notwithstanding the individual firm's unique cultures, I think in Asia, there is a lot of expectation to self-learn. In Aus, ppl have been willing to spend time to train you and get you to speed, and they do things BY THE BOOK. So in that way, you learn the methodologies and the way to do things exactly according the best practice. Downside is that they really do not know how to be flexible when situation changes, they are book smart but not as street smart as.. well Asians.

Overall, in terms of friendliness, Malaysians are the most friendly of all. Followed by Australians and Singaporean in my own experience. Australian are nice to strangers but sometimes, they are nice as a matter of courtesy, unlike Malaysians who are generally genuinely nice to ppl. Singaporeans.. well, you know.

Working culture wise, I think bosses in Msia and SG are willing to give junior higher responsibilities (Meeting clients, lead a job) as compared to Aussies, where higher responsibilities tend to be allocated to higher lvl ppl such as Senior Mgr and Directors. As a result, you will see that in Asia, juniors work really hard and clocks overtime, whereas in Aus, Directors and Senior Managers did all the overtime and Junior get to go home slightly earlier. Aussies are more open in terms the company's strategy and they will involve all lvl of ppl periodically to talk about which client to target and how should we compete, which in Asia is only reserved to Mgrs and above.

In general, Aussies are willing to accept the fact that juniors can be technically stronger than Managers but in Asia, such scenario is perceived to be despicable. Aussies accept the fact that no one knows everything and it is perfectly okay if the junior knew certain things that Mgrs do not know. They are also obviously very aggressive in terms of claiming about things they know when in fact they only know the basic by Asian standard.

Oh yeah, although hard work and overtime permeates across different cultures, lunch hour and weekends are holy in Australian context. Unlike Malaysia and SG where bosses will just call you back to work during weekends. Comparatively speaking still, overtime is Aus is still milder compared to SG and Msia as ppl will strive to finish their work by 5. As result, when they work, they REALLY work. No tea breaks, no chit chats etc. In Msia and SG, we spend too much time talking and procrastinating in btw, that results in the need to work beyond 5.30. If you work in M&A or IB however, it is probably the same throughout the globe. But for the rest, there is slight difference.

I don't even know where to end but this potpourri of observations is what I can provide so far.
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Good of you to share your experiences. I think EY looks pretty good too, KPMG looks nice on the outside, but otherwise they didn't really impress me. Not that I ever got very far with any of them. No exposure to Deloitte. PwC seems diverse enough.

Wouldn't say weekends are holy or that IBs are the only exception. Some management consultants, others in the finance industry may work weekends. Lots of other industries too. Generally professional services, and companies that make deals worth millions, have the potential for longer hours and some 6 day week work.
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post Mar 19 2015, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Justin Wong @ Mar 18 2015, 08:31 PM)
I think you made a good point which I think it is worthy of highlighting: Cover letters.

I am not sure if things have changed, but cover letters seems to be secondary in Asia whereas in Aus, it makes all the difference. And mundane, robotic cut and paste cover letter won't do you good, you need to show that you are an interesting person with a point of view in the cover letter in order to stand out. Most of all, you need to sell a BUSINESS CASE and a STORY to your existing CV in the cover letter. That is what it is all about.

Long story short, in addition to your technical skills, Aussies in general are also looking for interesting person to work with. If you manage to sell that interesting persona, you will be getting something.

I don't profess I know much about their mentality but in job hunting, that is the gist of it based on my job search experience. Even until today, I sincerely find that Australian think very differently in many ways which I can never understand. I know what they will do but I just dunno why on earth they do certain things sometimes. Having a go (aka try out new things) and being random seems to be in their culture.

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Cover letters are not going to work with most people. HR won't even bother. But a lot of job applications have long questions, and in those instances while I think a cover letter would not be the worst idea, it's probably going to be a little redundant and I doubt it'd even be read. But with the right person... if you get lucky, it will work.

As for personalities, being interesting, and having communication skills... I work with some pretty humorous, easygoing, smart people. But at the same time there are people who are the reverse. Rarely joke with you unless maybe you know them super intimately, and putting all those types of traits aside because they are a bit extreme, having only mediocre communication skills and language ability is a common denominator. Even though it is super competitive these days, some of these guys still filter through, amazingly. At the end of it though they are doing a pretty specialised or narrow job, takes a lot of mental focus and perseverance. Personality is very important but you need the other side of things too - personality is something some people can overlook I guess.

Kind of strange, the thought process of how people are hired. Obviously it isn't scientific but sometimes you just can't imagine they didn't have a better candidate to choose from. Not bashing or anything, just sharing thoughts.

What do you mean by random?
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There are a lot of 457s in play.

Not only that, some employers will hire you on the premise or prospect that you will land a permanent visa.

Normally these employers tend to be the kind that already has experience doing so.
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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 19 2015, 01:02 PM)
If in sales, karaoke, partying with clients, weekends, weekdays.
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If only lol

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