Wow that's brave. Good luck man. What are your skills here by the way?

My partner's ex-gf applied for her parents to move to Aus, cost her about $50k per person.

accountant still in the SOL list but not sure about the real world

pharmacist still alright but most of them doing sales more than the pharmacist itself. it's hard to find permanent job as well. my friend working in 2 pharmacists as part time because they don't require full time

What's the reason you dislike Sydney? Though I am not a fan of Sydney as well but not to the extend of disliking it. Sydney living cost is very high especially when you want to settle down here. The property price is sky high and dining out is expensive as well if you compare with major cities like Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth. But Sydney has very moderate weather if compared to other cities. Most importantly, it has more job opportunities.

Out of the topic, anyone has convert AUD/MYR recently? The exchange rate shown on the net is approximately 3.23 today but checked with the money changer, they can only give 3.15, why so much difference?

I don't know why so many people are migrating to Australia. Some of these people are not even graduates, they are in their 30s and 40s. And most of them don't even have Australian degrees, they pay big bucks with migration agencies to get there.

I tell you ah, Australia is worst than Malaysia. The Aussies are the pure epitome of laziness. THey have been riding high on their mining sectors growth that they don't want to do simple jobs anymore, they sub out to the Asians. Over the years, Australia have failed to grow other sectors to match their mining growth. So if China fails, Australia is in deep s-h-i-t. Europe has high unemployment and high debt. USA although improving, but they will soon be cutting spending because they got $16.5 trillion debt. Thats going to severely effect the China growth.

I don't think Australia is able to keep up their extraordinary growth.

Already, South East Asia and China are becoming the destination for manufacturing jobs (the largest employment sector). Shares services - IT, Accounting, HR, procurement and credit control are coming to Malaysia because of our cheap skilled labor. At my friend's MNC company, he is hired to takeover the shared service job from his Australian counterpart. So whats left for migrants to seek jobs in AUstralia? The leftover jobs. Even worst, if you are not an Australian grad.

I not sure how the cost of living in Malaysia but does that mean Malaysian earning RM60-80k per year able to *paying off yr housing mortgage (you cannot use yr super to pay for), car mortgage, gas, parking, etc,*?

Also, if they can afford the above, can they do this *No way you can go out to eat every weekend, no overseas holidays, no fancy branded stuff,etc. you cannot afford it* as well?

Can I ask if UK or US that earn the same range as above able to cover those?

You able to take back slightly about $4k per month(after tax) if you earn $60k + super. $60k is not enough  once you reach 30 years old

Top position able to secure $150k pa easily depending at the occupation. My Executive Director in ITS department is earning $200k + bonus performance and he still need to report to his 2 bosses.

I have to agree there is no point to migrate from Malaysia to Australia if you are earning quite well(Rm10k and above per month)

That's a depressing thought for some people, that you can make more money in salaries in Malaysia compared to Australia. I've always dreamed of higher salaries with a better standard of living

You have to understand there are braodly 2 types of people who migrate. One group are those genuinely wants a better living standards and another group who are just bitter at the gov and wants to get out of the country. Allthough both groups will overlap each other to a certain point.

Those who are bitter at the gov and choose to migrate, everywhere else in the world is good for them except Malaysia. Even timbaktu is better.

But for those who migrate becuase they want a better living std then better think twice. Becuase going to Aus, you might end up worse-off. Consider all the angles. Like employment, salary,etc. Yes it "seems" Australia pays better but really is it? Unless you're in one of their critical skills shortage jobs like nurse, doctors, etc you are probably not going to transfer your seniority over. That means you start from scratch at the bottom. Not a good idea when you're in your mid thirthies or fourties and made to report to someone who is 10 years your junior who probably knows lesser than you. Also they won't pay you that much as compared to what you're currently earning. Then there is the heavy taxes, glass ceilings, etc.

Then I'm also amased at people who are in managment earning like RM 20-30k a month in Malaysia who migrates to australia and leave everything behind including their well paid jobs to "let their children have quality university education ". I'm like ya, you're an idiot. With RM 20-30k p.m. salary and todays family of average 2 kids, you're telling me you cannot afford to send your kids to Australia which cost like RM 100k-RM150K a year? With RM20k-30k you'll be earning something like RM 240-RM 360k a year excluding bonus! They forfiet all that and go take a A$5k p.m. job in Australia! Are you kidding me????? Look at your opportunity cost!

Really? Any prove?

Fren, rent alone in the city for a two bed apmt, can cost up to $4k a month, thats about $48k a year, $60k where got enough?

Train is almost always late. And very late in Sydney

Yeah, some suburbs are like 60km away from the city center. Even then, its not that much cheaper than staying in the city.

I recall during my uni days, when I went to a suburb 70km away from the city center to visit a friend, I almost got robbed. The moment I got off the train at the station, 3 guys started to ask me for money, I ignored them and walked fast pace. They follow me from behind. Then while walking fast, I quickly peek behind to see what they were doing. The white aussies took out switchblades and steel rods from their bag. I thought I was going to die. I could imagine my face on the front pace of the "The Australian", "Malaysian student killed by thugs demanding money". Then as I was walking face pace away from the station, being pursued by 3 Ozzy youths, I saw my friend sitting in his car at the car park. I quickly open his door and told him to speed off. Then he sped off, before the 3 youths could reach his car.

Phew..

Alvin330000421, I sense a general negativism from your view of Australia. Hope that you don't mind me sharing my opinion on a few of the points that you've raised.

Economy
I do agree with you that AU is very reliant on CN. Not only the Chinese are buying most of AU's minerals, they are buying also a lot of farm land (read: 30000 hectares) to increase food supply security for CN.

As a whole, I guess we can agree that AU's economy is stronger than MY's economy in their current position. You suggest that AU's economy will suffer if CN is in trouble. 3 questions:
a) May be some details on your prophecy on CN's downfall?
b) What makes MY's economy invisible if CN is in trouble?
c) Will the AU economy be worst than MY when CN's is in trouble?

Even though I pay a lot of tax here in AU, I know most of the money goes back to the people. In Malaysia, cronies are laughing to the bank and it's affecting the economy.

Laziness
I do agree that Centerlink's policy need to change to prevent lazy people from abusing it but at least it working in terms of crime prevention. I challenge anyone to tell me that they don't have someone who they personally know that has been robbedin MY. To me, opting for crime is also a type to laziness (and the worst kind).

Not sure whether you've noticed in your time here, Aussies don't mind laborious/blue collar jobs. Aussies take up jobs like cleaner, construction worker, waiter and etc which in Malaysia,  overseas worker is hired for these jobs.

Education
Malaysia has been chosen by many universities as their overseas campus which is improving the quality of the tertiary education. There are numerous research that suggest that early education is vital in a person's development. No point ruining the kid in Malaysia's education system and trying to fix it when they reach uni.

Politics
Where do we start... let me put it this way, things that has been happening in political scene in Malaysia is only worth it's entertainment value to me. You did not bring up politics but I hope that you can have a fair comparison from different angles.

Job Opportunity
Outsourcing does not lead to "leftover" jobs. The way I see it, tasks that can be easily replicated can be outsourced leaving high value task/job in Australia.

I do agree that finding a job in Australia is not easy and I know someone who's given up everything in Malaysia and came here to start anew even before he secured a job which I think is very reckless. Lucky for him, he found a decent job after 2-3months. I wouldn't recommend people coming over that way.

What I like about working here is flexi hour, emphasis on work-life balance and trust. An example of trust is where when you take medical leave for 1 day, you do not need to produce MC.

Its people like you that we are talking about when we comment about the bad points of going to Aus. Firstly have you obtained a PR? If there are loads of jobs in yr field why don't u apply from msia instead of going there? How deep is your pocket? How long can you last in Aus if you are on yr own?

There is only so much you can rely on yr friends.
Ending up, you might be one of those we talked about. Those that work in petrol kiosk or 7-11 for min wage without realising yr potential esp when yr still young. You don't want to be caught in a situation when yr 40 and still working in 7-11 earning slightly above min pay. No point.

It's not all negative.
If you've got a PR and a job settled, i believe its going to be good.
The working culture and lifestyle in Aus is one of the best in the world.
People really talk about effectiveness and efficiency during working hours but they stress on quality time with family after working hours.
They have more respect for personal family time compared to in Malaysia.
Also people here are more liberal and respect your opinion unlike Malaysia where certain authority trying to "impose" their beliefs on you.
The weather is great, the people generally friendly and if money is not an issue (assuming you have an ok paying job) the eateries, cafes and bars are great!

I'm also surprised by the negativity on the work culture in Malaysia, did all of you only work in chinaman companies? The past 3 companies I've worked for in Malaysia have all been excellent in both working culture and work life balance. I was able to leave at 6ish pretty much every day, my colleagues around the world respected my family time and I had decent vacation time etc. It's certainly not all bad in Malaysia either.

I've worked in a not so bad chinaman company, but I do know that these companies exist. Like I've stated before, previously the English exploited us, now our own countrymen exploit us. The sad thing is that even MNC branches in Malaysia are run like chinaman companies, without regard to global standards etc. I'm not saying that there are no chinaman type companies in Australia, fortunately for workers there they have much more protection and avenues to air their complaints. It's time for Malaysian employers and employees to grow up and be more mature.

dun wan to create another argument here :-)

my personal opinion :
if u got pr (there must be a reason u apply for a pr) and prepare for the worst, just pack your bags and try..
(if you are 50-50, then dont sell everything (car, house) u have in MY, quit your job and give yourself for 6 months (maybe) if it doesnt turn out good, u can always go back to MY ..no one said its a one way street, at least you've tried..

fyi, i dont have a degree and not an australia uni graduates as well, but i got my job (same role as in MY)  not a junior role or whatever, same as what i did back in MY.. but it took me 1.5 months to secure the job.. im not saying this will apply to everyone, job sometimes depends on luck also.. and dont hope for jobs when the market is quiet (nov - jan) u can come after that period..

again my own opinion..

You going to which city? I am looking for contacts. I am either open for Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane.

Well, I may sound negative but I am still open to the option.

Ultimately its up to you if you want to migrate. But don't migrate because of:

1) Political environment in malaysia.