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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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Nemesis1980
post Jan 4 2013, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 08:45 AM)
that is outsourcing. people go australia is to earn AUD$, not RM,etc
you can see many call center and helpdesk from australia have been shifted to asian country especially India. they will get paid in indian rupees

eg, the helpdesk for HP in australia is located at HP cyberjaya. my cousin is working in that area and get paid in RM, not AUD.
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Hassle free somemore, no need to kaotao to Oz union. No need to sponsor anyone and saves money.
I saw most of this in big corporate company.
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post Jan 4 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 09:19 AM)
and it nearly happens to my department as well but luckily senior managers able to convinced the director to know that how inconvenient if it's outsource to india. i believe director will bring this matter up again in future to loosen up the budget
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I think the major impact should be the time difference. My friend who worked in an american company in KL has to work shift to coup the US time for their work communication. Yeah, pay is higher than malaysia average salary but you have to work in time difference. Everyone is sleeping while you stay awake working...if the pay is good, who cares!

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post Jan 4 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Jan 4 2013, 11:33 AM)
Heading to Adelaide.. but maybe not so soon.. =)


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:37 am

Would you consider other parts of Australia?  Try headhunters/recruitment agencies... good luck!


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:44 am

Heard Canberra has a lot of occupations for sponsorship.. have you tried looking there?

I returned from Japan recently and it gets dark at 530 pm.  I don't think it's a problem for me.. but of course i know ppl who get depressed because it feels dark and gloomy all the time (like UK)..

Malaysia outside in the afternoon can also be 37 degrees? I think it's the dryness that's the problem...?

yea in Malaysia and Singapore most ppl will have to work a lot of the time... so... a bit no work-life balance... hence I'm looking at Australia... especially for ppl with family... you know last time my parents would bring the kids out to Taman Tasik Perdana for Sunday morning jogs/exercise and family time.. nowadays i think cannot already because either have to work... or too tired over the weekday and need rest... is that true for some of you?


Added on January 4, 2013, 11:47 am

I have heard people say... "you think there is racism in Australia?  I have never seen as much racism elsewhere than in Malaysia..."
which made me think that at least in Australia you get racially discriminated you sue and get millions? biggrin.gif
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Malaysia is heading to more work, cheap labour, inflation, sleep along the street or a family living in a cramp pigeon hole. When foreigners is saying 'How could that be possible?' Yeah, Malaysia Boleh!
Racist in malaysia is like day to day basis to us already and get used to it. Politician utterly spit out racial terms and media with loads of bull$ht racial thing but you can sue them without any compensation.
It happens to be a norm. Just look at our Uni and government servant. How many are non-bumi? I'm not complaining saying all Bumi are racist. Our politician are. Even my malay colleagues also saying our current government system are berat sebelah.

Honestly, we don't have laws to protect ourselves on their racist remarks but only take care yourself. Options? Just leave.
I won't gamble my family future.
I know Ozzie is not the best country in the world but at least the law and union is significantly strong which you can get covered from your backside...haha
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post Jan 4 2013, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 02:14 PM)
but actually i think malaysia workers not bad as well. at least most of them received bonus every year
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If we exclude banking/oil & gas/insurance sector, i guess the majority is low.
We talk about how many months? 2 months is the most for very super workaholic staff which your boss sees you everyday and night.
Please correct me if i'm wrong. I think you've not working in malaysia before, are you?

Based on my findings, for fresh graduate in malaysia (with degree) must have at least RM3000/mth. Is it high? No. Talk about buying cars, pay bills, all basic items...etc. Must have target buying at least apartment within 10 years time.
We have to cater the inflation let say 5% every year. 10 years ago, i can get RM3 chicken rice but now RM5.50 in KL.
Minimum wages in Malaysia should be at RM1500 instead of RM900. Ask the politician to survive on that, i'll sit with him together.

I do pity on fresh graduate nowadays coz after they purchase car, no way for them to think about buying a property. What's going on with our country's economy??? Brain drain will definitely getting serious now. I'll bet in this 5 years time, there will be more graduates go overseas and guess what, you and my children will become maid or construction worker in indonesia...

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post Jan 4 2013, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 05:01 PM)
i didn't work in malaysia before as in professional occupation but part time job in retail yes

i just say based on what i read in those bonus threads out here.

also,fresh graduate now not buying cheap car like perodua or proton. you can see fresh grad drive H&T everywhere in malaysia and that is the reason why they can't buy a property

EDIT:H&T = honda and toyota
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I kinda disagree, buying a reliable car would give you low maintenance in long run. I bought 2 proton cars which give me nothing but trouble. If you buy new, the most is 3 years then all hinky panky problem would emerge. Thanks to our Proton.
Our car policy is sucking our pocket to protect the local carmakers. Guess what, you buy a proton in M'sia equivalent you own at least a Toyota corolla in Oz? Freshies have to pay instalment for 9 years?What kind of policy is that?
Car price must be lowered. More expenditure power from people, the more they spend some other things. Car makers would be more competitive and they'll invest more on R&D and more reliable and quality cars.

Yeah, some freshies do want all the stuff to be high end. Who don't want?Just that they need to be educated on the investment, how to make use of their money. I think we never learn this in school. Germany has it compulsory.

My suggestion is that if you have the opportunity, better grab it. I believe you can get a descent job out there as malaysian are not so 'char' one unless you got attitude problem.


Added on January 4, 2013, 6:44 pm
QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 4 2013, 05:01 PM)
i didn't work in malaysia before as in professional occupation but part time job in retail yes

i just say based on what i read in those bonus threads out here.

also,fresh graduate now not buying cheap car like perodua or proton. you can see fresh grad drive H&T everywhere in malaysia and that is the reason why they can't buy a property

EDIT:H&T = honda and toyota
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I kinda disagree, buying a reliable car would give you low maintenance in long run. I bought 2 proton cars which give me nothing but trouble. If you buy new, the most is 3 years then all hinky panky problem would emerge. Thanks to our Proton.
Our car policy is sucking our pocket to protect the local carmakers. Guess what, you buy a proton in M'sia equivalent you own at least a Toyota corolla in Oz? Freshies have to pay instalment for 9 years?What kind of policy is that?
Car price must be lowered. More expenditure power from people, the more they spend some other things. Car makers would be more competitive and they'll invest more on R&D and more reliable and quality cars.

Yeah, some freshies do want all the stuff to be high end. Who don't want?Just that they need to be educated on the investment, how to make use of their money. I think we never learn this in school. Germany has it compulsory.

My suggestion is that if you have the opportunity, better grab it. I believe you can get a descent job out there as malaysian are not so 'char' one unless you got attitude problem.



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post Jan 7 2013, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(xtylish @ Jan 6 2013, 04:36 AM)
i have a degree in malaysia. should i enroll myself into some courses in australia then only i can consider making a living in australia?

since most of the replies here mentioned that its damn hard to get a job in australia...

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To be honest, it's very subjective. I've yet to get my PR approved. But i do heard some people telling me very hard to find jobs or so. I do heard some people can easily find jobs within 1 month. I do interview people and hopefully the OZ has the same perception as ours.
Following are the factor you're gonna be recruited or not:-

1) Punctuality
2) Confident
3) Communication
4) Skills/Education background
5) Attitude
6) Working experience
7) Reason leaving previous company
8) FAQ
9) Salary?!?Working hours??
10) Scope of work
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post Jan 7 2013, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Jan 7 2013, 01:20 PM)
People here are lazy. They would try to look for the easy solution where they will look into the experience and criteria that ticks their box. So if you have exact same skill set, then it will be very easy. But that is really hard for anyone, so you need good written and communication skill to convince them match the skills one to one.

Being Malaysian, I think a lot will fail to do that and someone else who have less skill would crawl ahead of you, but the HR or recruiter doesn't understand that.
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Yeah, this is what i heard from my friend who worked in sydney for many years.
He told me that most of the hard work would be taken by highly skilled worker, while themselves monitoring where else they themselves know nothing.
However, my friend turn out to be very competitive which end up alot of company would like him to jump ship with higher pay and more allowance. That's why he earns more.
I think malaysian is not so poor in whatever skills. It's just whether the job is it suitable or not
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post Jan 8 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 8 2013, 08:44 AM)
agree. not to mention, your name as well(Asian such as chinese name will have a bit of disadvantages). Many people suggest to create an English name. Is best if you can include residency status in resume if you are holding Pr so that they won't filter you out.
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Yeah, you're right. I watched SBS channel on youtube on the topic of immigrants searching for jobs. There's this african lady who was born in Oz. She has the african name given by parents. When she graduated in food medicine, she applied for job. None of the employers would appoint her. So she changed her front name by adding english name. Soon after she was appointed in less than 2 weeks.
I think the moment they saw your resume with asian or whatever name that was unfamiliar will be in the rubbish bin. I know this sounds racial but it's really happen.
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post Jan 9 2013, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Blank @ Jan 9 2013, 06:03 PM)
Any civil engineer working in Australia here? Need some advice about which field offers a better chance of employment in Aussie? Structural or geotechnical. Have two options currently, either work as geotech engineer with the MRT project or structural engineer for industrial real estate across the causeway.. Planning to do my postgrad study there after gaining some work exposure.
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If you're heading Oz, i suggest you should heading to geotechnical. O&G is another option too. Pay is better
There's some saturation in structural for real estate.

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post Jan 25 2013, 12:09 AM

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Dear All,
Finally got my visa today. Really excited about this but also worries me the job seeking process. All the while never unemployed before and now have to compete internationally to get a job. Wish me luck on this.
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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jan 26 2013, 08:02 PM)
Congratulations in getting your PR!  rclxms.gif

Though is the starting point of a new chapter of your life, I wish you all the best and brace yourself for the upcoming challenges. Btw, where are you going to settle down in Oz?
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Yeah, I think the biggest hurdle is coming now, JOB HUNTING! Felt like need to equip everything to jump into a pool for survival...haha.
I've been to sydney, melbourne & brisbane (these 3 cities contribute most job, i know)
However, will try perth. nearer to home, as my wife never stay overseas before.
Planning 1st entry april (whole family)
2nd entry will be july (need to resign & serve 2 mth notice)

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post Jan 26 2013, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 26 2013, 08:37 PM)
nice!
did you apply offshore in malaysia?
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Yeah, faced loads of challenges rclxub.gif but still we jump over it. smile.gif
actually the process should be faster but delayed a bit for 4 months coz wife pregnant cannot provide health check.
We applied on 15/5/2012, visa approved 24/1/2013.

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Jan 26 2013, 11:29 PM)
Other than distance, is there any other reason for you to choose Perth?
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I think based on my personal experience and perception, i'm pretty tired with city life especially in KL. I've enough with the hectic work and traffic.
Perth i think is just nice as got everything and city is not too big & not too small. i'm from a small kampung too.
We just want a simple life and do what ever things i want to do.
PErth is an ideal place for raising family. Been to other cities before but i still have perception perth is the right place.
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post Jan 27 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 27 2013, 07:52 AM)
not sure about perth but cost of living there is slightly lower than melbourne an sydney but still going up(from last 2 days newspaper)

i would say melbourne or brisbane should be fine for you. not busy like kl and very relaxing in suburb
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Brisbane was in my list but not melbourne. too many people, housing price is skyrocketing.
I'm in a planning to buy house there budgeting below AUD350K. Hopefully can get 1
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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Jan 27 2013, 10:41 AM)
Sounds like Adelaide can be an option too
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Well, adelaide is very ulu. i dun think i could stand that. tongue.gif
Perth is a young city, i think there's lots of opportunities there.
If i choose sydney or melbourne, wat's the difference if i stay in KL and why i spend so much money and time for the visa? sad.gif

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QUOTE(Acevalentine @ Jan 27 2013, 12:51 PM)
I think getting a pr is very hard for me since I'm not study there but I plan to go for whv(working holuday visa) which can stay there up to 12 month. But what kind job is most suitable for it and is it can cover my expenses including accommodation.  And is there money left for backpack since this is working holiday.
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study there only contribute 5 points.
check ur occupation in CSL. if it's high demand, even with local U degree, u still got the chance.
I have a fren study in UUM major in accounting. She don't even step into Oz before. She got PR last year and work in Big 4 there.
If u got the skills they want, i don't see any reason why they dont give opportunity since the door is open.
I know it's hard, but you dun try you never know.
I remember 10years ago i intend to apply PR. I walked into Oz high com in jalan Yap kwanseng getting the form. A lady sitting beside corner telling me if u apply offshore u won't get ur PR. I dunno who she is or anyone just pouring cold water or discouraging word without any fact, i gonna screw them upside down.
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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jan 27 2013, 08:56 AM)
Yeah Perth is a nice place to stay. My colleague is staying there and he has a 2 acre land around his house. He reared chickens, ponies and sheep. What a relaxing life style.

But in terms of job opportunities, Perth is little bit tougher to get a job, unless you are in the mining sector. Having said that, mining sector recently is showing declining signs. Hopefully things all fall into place.
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If applying PR just rearing chicken, ponies and sheep, then i better fly back my hometown to do the same. why spend so much money and time for PR on this purpose? Can go sabah or sarawak mahh...

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post Jan 27 2013, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(Acevalentine @ Jan 27 2013, 08:10 PM)
Thanks for sharing of your friend's case which at least give me some hope. I'm study finance & investment recently.may I know what is CSL stand for? Sorry for asking noobie question.
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Last time called critical skilled list. Now is SOL (skill occupational list).

Please follow these websites which might help u more understanding on your intention to apply:-
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1119.pdf (how it works)
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/_pdf/sol-schedule1.pdf (check ur occupation)
http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/

i found that current DIAC (Dept of immigration and cultural) has the full sovereignty to decide who should come in or who should not. You need to submit letter of intent and wait them to issue you the letter of invitation. Once received, then only you could proceed to next step.
It's totally different from my last year application whereby if i meet the requirement points and just 'hentam' in, then they'll process for me.
But dun give up, you never knew. Do more research and see any alternative visa to support.

If you got time, can DIY. if not, you'll burn some cash for agents.
Beware of agents, always checked are they registered with MARA. So many fraud cases flying around in malaysia. i read newspaper 2 mths ago on some dudes paying loads of cash to work in Oz and end up it's a total set up. I even heard some1 telling me that he knew someone in DIAC and can help to get VISA. Oz is really strict in this so do some research and homework before apply. I read DIAC websites every page to understand how it works and the best way to get visa.
If you have any queries, can come below forum which i gain most of the info internationally. They're the same situation as ours.

www.australiaforum.com

You'll find loads of info and most of them DIY.
If you have any queries just ask, even it's a simple question coz i always ask stupid question but won't make me stupid forever.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Jan 27 2013, 08:29 PM)
i planning to move oz in my mid 20's, it means between 2-3 years from now.
i go through the point system, i could pass 60
but my big concern is my skill is not in SOL. i graduate n work in media, i dun think so it will be listed in SOL ever!
i aware that the PR rule keep changing every year,
but is there anything i could do now to prepare?

i dun mind to work in any field and will not be too picky at first few years..
do u think i should pick some new skill like acounting or other on-demand skill?

i love countryside life, more natural places around
for long term, oz will be great i guess
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Better check SOL, check any job relation to your current occupation. If go through education route, you may burn cash and time to get a degree which i think not quite right. Put this in last.
Check any other alternative visa. If really so die hard want to go Oz, there's 1, married an Oz guy/girl or PR guy/girl then wallah....here's your PMV (partner marriage visa).


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post Jan 28 2013, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Jan 28 2013, 06:38 PM)
Start studying nursing
Once you graduated (from an ok uni) with some exp you will be guaranteed a job and PR.

Otherwise even if you can somehow obtain a PR, your chances of obtaining a job is pretty slim.
The unemployment rate is high in Aus vis-a-vis M'sia and there are stiff competition.
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I agree. now i feel like swimming in the ocean try to grab anything for survival.
HAve to compete internationally and a little bit of luck. It aint easy, if no choice, look for casual work 1st. at least could pay my bills and rent.
Nursing is always in highest demand. I remember a lady from thailand i knew she earn big salary there.

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