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post Oct 13 2011, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(ctk @ Oct 13 2011, 04:38 PM)
I can't decide now that was why I started this here

Since I am almost debt free I would like to try #2 and if the new start-up is successful and profitable I will be one of the poineers and could get more money than #1

#1 requires people mgmt skill and vast technical skill to handle critial application production support in a big bank
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If you move to China, when will you be back to your family? 2 years?

this year alone, 2 of my colleague age 50 surrender their IC for good and another 30+yo friend got brain stroke. If $ is not a huge different, go for option #2 as time with family and friend is something you can't buy later.

ok, try ask for housing and other benefit to move your family to China, else then you consider #2.



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post Oct 13 2011, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Oct 13 2011, 08:38 PM)
30 y.o got brain stroke? can u tell me more why? and does he still work now?
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Just recover from coma. I am sure many people will wack his head if he ever say the word 'work' at least for this year. Auditor.
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post Oct 19 2011, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(tcjl28 @ Oct 19 2011, 08:34 AM)
Hi, I am working in Australia now and will be relocating to Singapore in November for family reason.
I am also interested in comparing whether going to Singapore will be financially better off.
I make 90k AUD after 8yrs experience and my monthly net income is AUD 5,200.
In Australia, not many compay pay bonuses so that is basically all you get.

BTW, I am a dotnet programmer. I wonder it anyone can provide me any tip for getting a job
and how much pay shd i expect?
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non SG/PR with .NET skill, you are competing with many India Indian and filipino.

Just a normal programmer role is difficult to ask for 90k.
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post Oct 21 2011, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(wickedghost @ Oct 21 2011, 03:25 PM)
Just for sharing, I got a problem in accepting the offer from these 2 co.

Co: Dynamac
Nature: Fabrication of FPSO Top Sides
Position: Asst. Piping Eng. (Permenant position)
Salary: 2.6k
OT: None
Bonus: 4-6 months
Probation: 3 months after that increment 400-500
Pass: S-Pass but if salary hit 2.8k revise to EP
Leaves: 14 days

Co: Exxon Mobil (Manpower supply by Setsco)
Nature: Petroleum Refinery
Position: Inspection Eng. (1 year contract renewable)
Salary: 2.6k
OT: SGD14 per hour
Bonus: No bonus
Probation: 3 months no increment after that
Leaves: 14 days
Pass: EP hopefully if not S
Please I need help here!!dont know which to choose
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Option 1 has more money wor... why still consider lower pay , temp contract jobs just to work in a EM plant.

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post Oct 23 2011, 01:35 PM

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One have to consider PR or wp when compare SG with Aus. It is easier for non PR to look for jobs in SG than Aus.

About the cpf. It used to be very limited usage but now you can use it for housing, education, med, personal insurance and even some investment in stock and gold.
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(White Knight @ Oct 25 2011, 09:26 AM)
Hi all, not sure whether this is the right forum or not. Just to share with you all that S'pore PM salary is the highest in the world amongst all the world leaders. Lee Hsien Loong annual salary is a whopping US$2,183,516. His salary compared to GDP is 38:51.
I saw it in the yahoo news. It's from the media, not sure how true it is or it's not true at all.
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Yes his annual salary is the highest but not enough for wife to buy big diamond rings. So tell me which PM earn the most?

you sure you get the ratio right?


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post Oct 31 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(mea05key @ Oct 30 2011, 12:26 PM)
Anybody knows if it will be possible to catch a bus from Larkin to Melaka next coming Friday since it will be a public holiday on Monday? I am attempting to catch one after 7pm.
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I am not sure if they are still there but have you check delima and Sin-Malacca express from Lavenda terminal?

Getting to Larkin on holiday eve will take longer time, you have to leave SG early.


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post Nov 1 2011, 04:24 PM

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[quote=benedictee1981,Nov 1 2011, 04:07 PM]Wah so fast, mine one took 4 months to approve but is with my spouse.
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big different before and after singapore GE. Good time to try now.

If your income is over the HDB household income limit then you should really consider your option.


Added on November 1, 2011, 4:27 pm[quote=shakes86,Nov 1 2011, 04:16 PM]
nearest residence i can think off at raffles place is
http://www.thesailmarinabay.com/
or http://www.pinnacleduxton.com.sg/
if not got some hdb in tanjong pagar .. rolleyes.gif
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Thanks very much bro, it a helpful info thumbup.gif
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bro, those are high end unit. good luck yo sweat.gif

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post Nov 7 2011, 11:17 PM

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I would retire in SG if I rich enough. Many true blue Singaporean wanted to retire in SG but you know they had a hard time adjusting their living standard against ever increasing cost and FT. Their minister had told them to seek MY doctors and JB eldercare if no money. So you can choose to retire in SG say if you can buy your SG plated lambo.

I know I am a person who can feel the different when I cross the causeway. I don't need any safety report and statistic. I had bought my retirement home in MY and continue to live a Malaysian life.

I guess when I decide to retire, safety will not be my concern. By then I should have live 'safely' long enough. I want to be free and enjoy good time before knock off. MY is a Boleh place for those who have their own way of life.

It's only numbers I got for the years I live in SG. Spending times and health for income figures and comparing price of items such as house and cars. Went for expensive holidays but not as enjoys when I climb hills with MY friends during sch days. So I know I am a person who won't enjoy a lambo on SG road (I admit I don't have the money to buy a lambo).

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post Nov 8 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 8 2011, 08:01 AM)
only the wife will convert if some are smart ones. a cousin has been at sg since early 1990s. his wife becomes sg. no one can predict the future for such above case.
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Maternity leave = your one month salary
Grant + BTO = a little discount for new HDB comapre to open market resale.
baby bonus = a 5 figure sum

add all up, say S$100k. that's what you get for selling your MY nationality.

after some years, you can earn more than S$100k in a year, then you'll regret that money cant buy back your MY nationality.

Unless there are other non $$$ reasons for the conversion, trading nationality for short term $$ gain for a person in his/her early career stage is not so smart.

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post Nov 8 2011, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 8 2011, 10:17 AM)
only mentioned "wife" in my earlier post.
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I know that. That's one of the reasons why so many true blue SG hate us. One of the parent convert to take up SG benefits while the other still holding a feet in other country.

I have ONE friend who forces her husband to convert together... good or bad, they face it together as a family.

I started my family soon after grad, we are average PR worker in SG. Now we have two kids, a resale flat and a small car. We survive without all those Singaporean bonus years after years. We are ok to pay higher PR rate and take no SG bonus to keep our passport (please don’t say resale flat is a bonus, our loan is on market interest rate). Just have to manage your expectation (another number) to live a Singapore Life.


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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Nov 8 2011, 11:11 AM)
Haven't you heard of MM2H or Talent Corp? When you retire and want to come back to M'sia you can do it via this 2 routes. You get the best of both worlds.

But i think the option of having your wife convert to a full citizenship and you holding on to the PR makes sense. You have one foot in each country and enjoy the best of both worlds. I know i would.....if i can find a wife.....
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You are refering to other memeber, not me. My family are all PR.

Like my sure name, I will not change that just because my host family give me more pocket money.

I will convert if I decide I am going to retire here with my family, I'll do community service and my son will do his national service for the country if we convert. I do not want to be seen as taking the citizen benefit but not fulfilling the national duty.

MM2H and Talent Corp? By then I am Tired of Talent, conditional policy etc... I want the title for my freehold land, key for the house and cars, passport for my country where I live, freedom to decide when/what I want to do.

If RM 0.4 is to S$1, guess what will happen to MM2H and Talent Corp? Can the ex-Malaysian SG wife get her long term pass to retire in MY by then?


QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 8 2011, 11:22 AM)
aiyo why need to decide now? all of us here are what, 20's and 30's? gonna be another 20-30 years before we are of retirement age, by that time based on (i) financial standing (ii) whether BN is still in power, then only decide lor.
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Correct, they are still young and a long way to go. Should keep their option open as long as possible but after certain age, some country may not want you.


QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 8 2011, 11:29 AM)
If you're moderately successful, the option of early retirement back to your hometown to get away from the rat race comes up when you reach late 30s or early 40s. That's also when job stress really starts and that dalai lama quote about trading health for money begins to come true as well.
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I saw hardworking people around me gone by 50s, one of them in her 30s. I started my retirement plan by trying to live today well and preparing MY retirement house close to family and friends.

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 8 2011, 03:10 PM)
Erm...I tot your son will have to do NS now even without being a citizen. (I am assuming he is sponsored by you to be a PR).

Yes but he still has to decide for himself before he reach 18. When he is more mature, I'll let him make the decision and take responsibility.   

Added on November 8, 2011, 3:11 pm
But, are you going to leave your kids bhind?
Most likely they will be studying in Sg right?

They are in SG childcare now, plan to put them in a primary school in JB and we travel to SG for work. After Pri 4 then decide which secondary school system to take. We always wanted the family to stay together especially when the kids are younger.

We are rare parent that send their kids to "overseas" school but we are not SG elite.

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QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 8 2011, 04:52 PM)
Will you go back?

TalentCorp: Returning Experts Program

- An optional Flat Tax Rate of 15% for Employment Income for five (5) years;
- Tax Exemption for all personal effects brought into Malaysia;
- Two (2) locally assembled/manufactured Completely-Knocked-Down (CKDs) vehicles tax-free;
- Foreign spouse/children are eligible for Permanent Resident (PR) status within six (6) months;
- Foreign-born children or children already studying in an international stream overseas allowed to enroll in any international school of choice in Malaysia.
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When young, it depend on who is hiring you in MY and what they can offer you.

Good for those who had decided it is time to move back home for early retirement, buy two cars, import some tax free item then settle for easier, slower jobs. After a few years then setup a company to provide services, you decide when, what and who to work with by then.




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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 9 2011, 09:28 AM)

So, I wana ask for advices.. should I just resign and go back in order to find a job just so I can get experiences then come back again where I probably will have better chances in landing on a research job in Singapore?
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Min a Good PhD from Good Uni for research jobs in SG. Experience and quality work a must to be selected for interview.

So if you want to stick to research jobs, try Malaysia.
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Nov 9 2011, 05:27 PM)
The 2011 Legatum Prosperity Index Table Rankings

http://www.prosperity.com/rankings.aspx

This table ranks 110 countries, according to their overall abilities to foster the drivers of prosperity. It also provides the breakdown of the sub-index performances that lead to the overall rank  thumbup.gif
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Interesting, MY education is better than SG in 2011!

past 3 years score for education

country: rank : past score ( 2009,2010,2011)
MY : 46 : (1.17, 0.78, 0.84)
SG : 51 : (3.51,1.43, 0.68)

MY is getting worst but SG is like having a disaster.

New MOE minister is trying to fix some problem, it will take some years to see the result. I personally think MY primary education is better in building up the child. SG school is better at producing number on report card.

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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 9 2011, 07:33 PM)
I believe the reverse. Msia is building a 'classroom' mentality, Sg is encouraging 'thinking out of the box' .
It's really a disgraced, they can't even decide on what language to use as a medium. Really a laughing stock.
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Not a problem, there are many MY private sec school that teach in English, Chinese and BM. In SG, only elite have to take proper BM class.

QUOTE(bellion @ Nov 9 2011, 08:48 PM)
Malaysians are mild mannered?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Take a drive on Malaysian roads and see what sort of mannerisms are being displayed by the mat rempits and the tailgaters not to mention the road rage parang and baseball bat wielders!
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Not a problem too, they don't work in SG. The earlier post was referring to some Malaysian who work in SG.

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QUOTE(inspector_rahman @ Nov 10 2011, 09:29 AM)
Where to live with budget 100 per month?
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you from umno? What is your motive here?


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QUOTE(L7Awesome @ Nov 11 2011, 02:21 PM)
River,
  That is what I am doing now with my kids.  Nevertheless, when they reach Std 4 or 5, it will be a challenge for them to catch up on Singapore's education if you decide to let them go with Singapore's syllabus.  The gap between SG and MY education is a bit too big.  One of my friend sent their kids to Foon Yew previously and they have to look for schools in SG to admit them.  After that, the kids really struggled through std 5 and std 6. They shared with me to start them on early as the gap between the two education systems is wide.
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Nov 13 2011, 11:07 AM)
Their a pampered, spoiled lot. If you see how protective their parents are, you'll understand why most of their children turn out as they are. One of my colleagues wife even lament that her child went to malaysia for a school nature outing and she was constantly worried about her childs safety.

With my previous employer, they too had the trouble of holding onto Singaporeans but then again, they prefer to have more foreigners due to the lower wages they get and having enough singaporeans to get the foreign quotas that they desire,.

The benefit for us is, as the new generation of singaporeans get choosy, more chances of employment are offered to us since if they want to expand a business but cant get locals, they dont really have another choice unless they want to get stuck in the mud so to speak.
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As long as I make sure my kids have good O level or A level, they can access any uni that we could afford that including SG Uni.

The Syllabus is only part of my consideration, I think the kids have more things to learn from school other than exam skills. If their system are so good, We will have a hard time to find jobs here.(see crapp0 post).

Parents have their role in child education, so as their classmate's parents. wink.gif

QUOTE(Jurlique @ Nov 13 2011, 11:20 AM)
I got a fren (SPR), last time bought a HDB with his sister for about $250K (during tat period each of them contributed 50% monthly installment).

Now bcos her sister wanna get married edy, so my fren terpaksa to shift out. The problem is how to sought this problem?

Her sister pay him back $125K? But how bout current market rate? Take how long to pay him back? Her sister oso did not have so much money for at least $125K.

Any suggestions guys? Or the most fair method is sell the HDB and distribute the funds for 50% each? but the drawback is need to incur more funds and time to get another HDB or their own.
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If the husband is SPR or SG then she can "sell/transfer" the HDB to the couple name but your friend (now a single SPR) will have difficulty to buy another HDB under his name alone.

Since both contribute to the HDB bought at market price, they should share the profit(after minus outsatnding loan + fees) of selling the HDB at current market price too.
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QUOTE(LOOOOOOL @ Nov 14 2011, 10:22 AM)
guys..
wanna ask if anyone of u working in SG as a .net developer?? or fren..
can i know wat's the market price for a 2 years ++ .net developer in SG??

1 of my fren just got back from SG, sux experience with less than half a year over there.now he's back to msia. according to him, low salary, heavy load, lots of stress compare to the local employee...and the salary is lower than Sgporean with same education level. is it true??


Added on November 14, 2011, 10:26 am"All you need to know about PR application and requirements are available here: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151&secid=150"

link is dead..can anyone update?
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Singaporean with NS WILL get more in public sector as compare to non-SG with same education level.

search www.ica.gov.sg



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