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 The Proper Usage of the English Language, - LYN GN are here to assist you

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post Aug 16 2011, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(EducationABC @ Aug 16 2011, 05:57 PM)
Sorry for the late reply. My first language is......well I can't be sure which language is it! English is usually used for reading and writing(in almost every case, apart from a few mandarin homework and newspapers) while Chinese is used 85% of the time in conversations. The remainder is English and and a few Malay sentences used to communicate with teachers. In my school, Chinese students are the majority, obviously I live in Selangor.

1) Speaking - Not fluent in any languages that I have learned. For Mandarin, I use sentences with slight grammatical errors, sometimes serious ones and I am not fluent unless I am reading out aloud. Malay is almost nonexistent, but I could still read. As for english, I speak Manglish in daily conversations, but I could write a good script.

2) Reading
a) English-- upper intermediate.

b) Mandarin-- lower intermediate(I guess, I got A for PMR, not exactly rare, but not common either, considered "good" in class)

c) Malay-- I don't know, no problem understanding anything so far.

3)Writing
a) English-- Best among three, upper intermediate (Still, grammatical errors are there, try spot one in this post!)

b) Mandarin-- Lower intermediate, grammatical errors are few only because I don't use complex sentences often. Considered "good" in class. The truth is, the standard of mandarin is quite low in Malaysia, so I don't really know where I stand.

c) Malay- 60 to 80 out of 100 on SPM karangan, depending on the topic and time allocated.

Listening- Not quite a problem for any of the three languages.
2) Yes, I believe you. I was once that type of person. tongue.gif

3) Yes, I believe you. I have never heard about it before.

Of course there are exceptions, but generally, I agree with you. The first language that I have learned is English in kindergarten. But during 6 years of schooling in a SJK{C} school, I have immersed myself totally in chinese language and culture. It made English almost nonexistent in my daily life for that period, resulting in my poor English. After standard 6, I entered a SMK school and I immediately put in effort to improve my english. My english improved, but the negligence of Chinese language and the fact Smk schools have only 90 minutes of Chinese language lessons had worn off the edge I initially have in Chinese language. Now, I am lost between the two. Well, not exactly lost but it makes me hard to say which is my first language. I mean, when people ask you what is your first language, they often expect you to be proficient in that language, right?

I guess you are chinese as well, right?
Oops, I have used that a little too often.  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah I am Chinese. But judging from the way I type and speak, I'm sure you can tell that many of my Chinese brethren expects me to be more CHinese than I am right now lol.

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post Aug 16 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 16 2011, 06:06 PM)
My first language is......well I can't be sure which language it is! 

This must be the commonest grammar mistake.
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Indeed it is. In Chinese language, you wouldn't have to worry too much about this, even more so in Malay. The mistake has been corrected.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:22 PM

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Good thread,i'd love to participate.what about predicate nominative ?you didnt mention it .You didnt mention it smile.gif
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:49 PM

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I am glad this thread has taken off so nicely and I hope all who participate would get to learn from it. We do have a handful of Grammar Nazis here and hopefully, putting arrogance aside, they could teach us a thing or two. Thanks! smile.gif

QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 16 2011, 03:49 PM)
You obviously haven't seen how dynamic English can be used in theatrics. Read a book of Hamlet, and you will understand.
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I'm sure you meant "read a book of Shakespeare's works"? smile.gif

Yes, I've read some of his works, Macbeth, King Lear, Othello, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, Romeo and Juliet, and Hamlet. Indeed, those are some of his remarkable works and I have this fascination of Shakespearean English.

If Shakespeare had invented Barney, he'd be singing, "I love thee, thou lovest me..." smile.gif


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QUOTE(Mercedes @ Aug 16 2011, 06:49 PM)
I am glad this thread has taken off so nicely and I hope all who participate would get to learn from it.  We do have a handful of Grammar Nazis here and hopefully, putting arrogance aside, they could teach us a thing or two.  Thanks! smile.gif
I'm sure you meant "read a book of Shakespeare's works"? smile.gif

Yes, I've read some of his works, Macbeth, King Lear, Othello, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Twelfth Night, Romeo and Juliet, and Hamlet.  Indeed, those are some of his remarkable works and I have this fascination of Shakespearean English.

If Shakespeare had invented Barney, he'd be singing, "I love thee, thou lovest me..."  smile.gif
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It sounds that you've been keeping track with shakespears's books,you must be a book worm then.
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I have this fascination of Shakespearean English.

Do you mean 'fascination for'? smile.gif




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QUOTE(nandayryu @ Aug 16 2011, 07:04 PM)
It sounds that you've been keeping track with shakespears's  books,you must be a book worm then.
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Not really a bookworm, but I studied some of his literary works in high school, which created an interest in me to continue reading his other works and even those of Jane Austen and of poets like Keats, Eliot, Kipling etc.


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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 16 2011, 07:14 PM)
I have this fascination of Shakespearean English.

Do you mean 'fascination for'?  smile.gif
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Yes, fascination for...
Thanks for the correction. smile.gif


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post Aug 16 2011, 10:29 PM

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While browsing through the posts in this thread, I recognized a post explaining that I made English a way of life, while the others try to retain their cultures.
What made you think I don't retain my culture? I speak Hokkien with my aunts and uncles on a regular basis, English with my parents on a regular basis, Malay with friends on a regular basis, Chinese with some classmates on a regular basis. And, by regular basis, I meant always, almost every single day.
I retain my culture, unlike those "bimbo" "Paris Hilton-like" Chinese that I myself also hate.
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post Aug 17 2011, 09:28 AM

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Thank you to those who have answered my question.^^ By right, it should be to those of for those? How to differentiate both of them?

QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 16 2011, 05:17 PM)

If the call is for someone else, you can say:

Who should I say is calling, please?

(wrong)

Who am I speaking to?
May I know who I am speaking to?

'I am' is suiperfluous. Of course, you are speaking, who else?

May I know who is speaking, please?
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Why do we need to invert I and am when we have May I in front of the sentence? Can you explain more in details?

Thank you very much^^
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post Aug 17 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 17 2011, 09:28 AM)
Why do we need to invert I and am when we have May I in front of the sentence? Can you explain more in details?

Thank you very much^^
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...I am - used as a noun clause
am I - used as a question

Read this: http://www.urch.com/forums/toefl-grammar/2...-noun-verb.html

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post Aug 17 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 17 2011, 02:58 PM)
...I am - used as a noun clause
am I - used as a question

Read this: http://www.urch.com/forums/toefl-grammar/2...-noun-verb.html
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Thank you very much^^

Btw, why curiosity is not spelled as curiousity? There are curiousness and curiously buy why not curiousity?

Thank you! ^^
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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 17 2011, 09:41 PM)
Thank you very much^^

Btw, why curiosity is not spelled as curiousity? There are curiousness and curiously buy why not curiousity?

Thank you! ^^
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What a question.
You can also ask:
Why forty is not spelt fourty? Why viscosity and not spelt viscousity?
Why the past tense and past perfect tense of cut is also cut.
There are always exceptions to the rule in English. That's what makes it difficult. You just have to remember the spellings as they are.
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 18 2011, 11:07 AM)
What a question.
You can also ask:
Why forty is not spelt fourty?  Why viscosity and not spelt viscousity?
Why the past tense and past perfect tense of cut is also cut.
There are always exceptions to the rule in English. That's what makes it difficult.  You just have to remember the spellings as they are.
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Got it! Ty^^
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 18 2011, 11:24 AM)
Got it! Ty^^
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If you have further questions, you can ask them here:

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/

You'll get answers from the experts.

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post Aug 18 2011, 03:57 PM

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BUFFALO BUFFALO BUFFALO BUFFALO BUFFALO BUFFALO BUFFALO.

Just to share with you all the sentence, it's perfectly correct in grammar.

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post Aug 18 2011, 08:55 PM

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I like this thread!
I've learned English via online forum before since I was 14 or so because of Amazing Race. and I can see how I've improved after 4 years. But I still encountered some problems, I do not have wide vocabularies and I've a lot of grammatical errors. I still couldn't understand most of the words nor sentences in an English novel. I could speak in English with my Chinese and Indian friends but I realise that I do not use proper grammar. For example " Have you eat? " . Instead of " Have you eaten? " right?. I hope this thread will at least help me to improve more.

p/s - Please correct me !

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post Aug 21 2011, 06:52 PM

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What should I write in a career aspiration for scholarship application? Can I include story in it? Thank you^^
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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 21 2011, 06:52 PM)
What should I write in a career aspiration for scholarship application? Can I include story in it? Thank you^^
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What do you mean by story? Do you present your career aspiration by a story?

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You'd have to check for the essay requirement instruction, on whether it is a personal statement, free essay or otherwise.
For a personal statement, career aspiration would surely fit, as it describe about you, as in how a certain something shape the dream behind your spirit and motivation.
It'll depend much on the instruction given.
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This thread are not active enough as how I expected it to be ;( ~

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