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tehtmc
post Aug 10 2011, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(tendousidek @ Aug 10 2011, 09:40 AM)
I think it should be "Yes I have had my dinner" no?
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You are right, the present perfect tense is more appropriate.

You don't normally use the past perfect tense (had had) unless you are talking about the 'past within the past' or you wish to refer to an earlier event at a point in time in the past.
'You had had your dinner when I asked you yesterday'.
But when I asked now, you say 'I have had my dinner'.(present perfect).

I find it so common for people to keep making the same mistakes in grammar without them realising it because there is nobody to tell them about it.
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post Aug 12 2011, 09:39 AM

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You can also say:

If an aquarium is filled with piranha, sharks, clownfish and so, there are many fish in that aquarium.

Both words can be used interchangeably.

Pinned thread in this forum on law - which is correct and why?

Guide to become a lawyer

OR

Guide to becoming a lawyer.
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post Aug 12 2011, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(reconnaissance @ Aug 12 2011, 01:20 PM)
The first option is accurate.
"Guide to become a lawyer" suggest a guide to become one. After 'to', the word is preferably the root word. Besides, the 'become' in this context meant the result, not the process, hence the guide to become lawyer.
"Guide to becoming a lawyer" is grammatically incorrect. If insisted on writing in this style, it should be "Guide of becoming a lawyer" as 'becoming' in this context meant the process of being one, not the end result, so the guide is explaining the process.
Subject to errors and correction.
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'Guide to become a lawyer' is wrong.

Here are some examples :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Essential-Guide-Be...r/dp/1405157887
http://www.lawfirmchronicle.com/2011/05/a-...wyer-in-the-us/
http://books.google.com/books?id=uT2ExxJG0...ource=gbs_gdata

You say 'a guide to something, a subject (noun). You don't say 'a guide to do something(verb)'.
The subject is 'becoming a lawyer'. 'Becoming' is the noun, a gerund/verbal noun.

'To' after the word 'guide' is a preposition'. You have mistaken it for the infinitive 'to' which is followed by the root word - to eat, to play, to sing.

Another type of sentence which is similar:

I look forward to seeing you. (Not : I look forward to see you.)

You say you look forward to something(noun). 'Seeing you' is the something.

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 12 2011, 08:58 PM)
Erm... so how to differentiate between gerund/verbal noun and verb? So does it imply if after "TO" is a gerund noun, we do not need to use back the root word?

Gerund = verb + ing   e.g.   swim (verb) swimming (noun)  Swimming is a wholesome sport.

I said 'to' acts as a preposition e.g. I go to the market. (to show direction)

It is different from infinitive 'to' is used before a verb e.g. I like to eat.


By the way, do we need to use back the root word after NEVER?

'Never' is one of the most commonly misused words.


I have never been to the Europe. (correct)
I never went to Europe (wrong)
I never go to Europe (wrong)


Root word does not apply with 'never', unlike 'must', 'could',' should', etc



I don't get the fish and fishes... Is it mean Does it mean that we can use either one of them without any condition?

You can use either word but some prefer to use fishes to distinguish the different types of fish.

Thank you so much! ^^
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post Aug 13 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(reconnaissance @ Aug 12 2011, 11:31 PM)
Not really sure about the 'to' information. I'll enquire with both my English Language teacher, and my English for Science & Technology teacher. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected.
More information on the fish, fishes, though meant many types of fish can be replaced with just fish in the new module. However, it's best to stick with my elaboration, or search up in the Internet for a formal explanation.
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Still not convinced? The titles of books published in an English speaking country cannot be wrong.

Let me give you more examples to make it clearer.

You can have guides to different topics/subjects, e.g. a guide to photography, guide to sports, guide to careers, etc.

You can also have - guide to taking pictures, guides to playing badminton or guide to a career in law/becoming a lawyer.

The phrases underlined are different topics or subjects(nouns, not verbs) and are to be read together.

Probably, the phrase 'to becoming' per se may sound unfamiliar to you as you have been taught that 'to' should always be followed by a root word.

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QUOTE(reconnaissance @ Aug 13 2011, 03:09 PM)
I stand corrected. Truth to be told, I've never had a formal English education, but an informal education had made me near-native to the language. This would certainly be a spark to begin an actual English study.
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Informal education? As in home-schooling?
Care to elaborate?
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QUOTE(EducationABC @ Aug 13 2011, 05:40 PM)
Do you mind telling us what is your mother tongue, how many languages do you speak, and how fluent are you in all of them?

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Hope you don't mind but there is a very common mistake in the above sentence.

The sentence should be written as:

Do you mind telling us what your mother tongue is, how many languages you speak and how fluent you are in all (each) of them?


Added on August 13, 2011, 6:28 pm
QUOTE(reconnaissance @ Aug 13 2011, 04:21 PM)
From primary to current, I was constantly either excused from English syllabi for extracurricular trainings or was deprived of it since my English teacher, also my class teacher, used the periods to discuss extra syllabi matters.
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It seems you spent most of your time on extra-curricular activities and didn't get to attend regular classroom lessons thoughout your school career. How come?

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 13 2011, 06:35 PM)
Thank you for correcting my mistakes^^

I think I got it. If I can replace the word after  TO with "Something", then I will not need to use back the root word. For example,
I like to eat. I cannot replace eat using something, so I have to use back the root word.

Guide to becoming a lawyer. I can say guide to something. So I do not need to use back the root word.

Is it true? Thank you^^
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That's right, there are many usages of the word 'to'.

As a preposition - I go to school. Guide to (a subject).
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QUOTE(figuremeout @ Aug 14 2011, 03:37 AM)
hello all, i need help in how to use
1)worse
2)worst
any help will be highly appreciated.  biggrin.gif
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bad - worse - worst
(positive - comparative - superlative) in grammar terms

They are the different degrees of adjectives. Adjectives are words to describe a noun/thing.
The comparative is used to compare two things.
The superlative is used to compare three or more things.

Other examples:

good - better - best
happy - happier - happiest
beautiful - more beautiful - most beautiful

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QUOTE(masterofsea @ Aug 16 2011, 10:50 AM)
@DavidWKW How to address you Sir ? ( a lil too serious smile.gif )
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This is an incomplete sentence.
A proper sentence consists of a subject and a predicate.
There is no subject here.

It's like saying:

How to go there?
How to solve this problem?

You can say:
How should I address you, Sir/mdm?


Added on August 16, 2011, 5:21 pm
QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 16 2011, 10:34 AM)
Want to ask... If I receive a call and I would like to know how to call him as? How should I say?
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If the call is for someone else, you can say:

Who should I say is calling, please?

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"May I know who am I speaking to?"
(wrong)

Who am I speaking to?
May I know who I am speaking to?

'I am' is suiperfluous. Of course, you are speaking, who else?

May I know who is speaking, please?

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My first language is......well I can't be sure which language is it!


My first language is......well I can't be sure which language it is!

This must be the commonest grammar mistake.
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I have this fascination of Shakespearean English.

Do you mean 'fascination for'? smile.gif




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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 17 2011, 09:28 AM)
Why do we need to invert I and am when we have May I in front of the sentence? Can you explain more in details?

Thank you very much^^
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...I am - used as a noun clause
am I - used as a question

Read this: http://www.urch.com/forums/toefl-grammar/2...-noun-verb.html

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 17 2011, 09:41 PM)
Thank you very much^^

Btw, why curiosity is not spelled as curiousity? There are curiousness and curiously buy why not curiousity?

Thank you! ^^
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What a question.
You can also ask:
Why forty is not spelt fourty? Why viscosity and not spelt viscousity?
Why the past tense and past perfect tense of cut is also cut.
There are always exceptions to the rule in English. That's what makes it difficult. You just have to remember the spellings as they are.
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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Aug 18 2011, 11:24 AM)
Got it! Ty^^
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If you have further questions, you can ask them here:

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/

You'll get answers from the experts.

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Election Commission must spell out what are the electoral reforms based on Bersih 2.0′s Eight Demands which could be implemented immediately without waiting for PSC


http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2011/08/25/ele...waiting-for-psc

Even Lim Kit Siang frequently makes this common grammar mistake - wrong order of noun and verb. It should have been : what the electoral reforms are.

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Aug 27 2011, 09:35 PM)
I'm not in any way against your desire to improve people's English here, but just to throw in my worthless two cents here, from the linguistics standpoint, there is not such thing as proper English. I spent alot of time studying English grammar for my SAT and to help me find the right terms to research and learn Japanese grammar. I did make some changes to the way I write for school assignments and some emails but not much. Some of the grammar prescribed in grammar books are outdated. Besides that, the grammar I use changes with the situations I'm in. I don't type the same way in Kopitiam. I don't talk the same way as I write. I don't use the same sentence structure when I talk to my Malaysian friends, even when I'm in US. I think people will naturally pick up the grammar they need as the situation arises. If a certain variation is a specific grammar rule generates much debate, it probably means that either variation is equally used currently. Generally, people don't and can't scrutinize grammar when they're reading or speaking but unconsciously perceive the naturalness and appropriateness of the sentence as they go along.
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'Proper' means 'that which is socially acceptable'. I agree it is not the most apt term to use since it is rather subjective to say what is proper and what is not. I think 'proper' in this thread refers to 'correctness' of the use of the language. As mentioned over the thread, for the average Malaysian these days, it is already an achievement to write correct English free of grammar mistakes let alone writing with finesse, no thanks to our education system.

No, I don't agree that one can naturally pick up grammar. As I mentioned before, unless there is someone to point out the mistake that you make, you may keep making the same mistakes all your life. Unlike in school where your have your teacher to mark your written work and point out your mistakes, generally you do not have the benefit of or are amenable to such guidance after you leave school and during your working life. I say this based on my personal experience of working as an employee and an employer.

It makes no difference whether language is used formally or normally. It still has to be correct. Granted the typical Malaysian English may not always be grammatical and you tend to adjust your language to suit the situation. Being able to communicate with perfect English, which I believe this thread is about, would certainly put you ahead of most people.

I believe we are not talking here about linguistics which is an academic study of languages at university level. It is more like going back to school, relearning plain old English grammar.

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Firstly, I would like to know about the term left.
Term is used for technical word. Use word.

Left can be used in this sentence, right ?:

I am left with nothing.

In this sentence, is left stand (BTW, stand or stands?) for the past tense of leave? If it is so, is this sentence correct:

Is left the past tense of leave?

I will be left with nothing soon. – I will lose everything soon


I thought after will, we need to use back the root word. But this sentence sounds weird:

I will leave with nothing soon. – I will go somewhere soon without bringing anything with me.

So, which one is correct?

They are sentences with different meanings

Second question:

When I want to say a sentence said by others, can I use:

As said by ABC, " ..."
As quoted by ABC, " ..." (ABC quoted from other sources)
As ABC said, "..."

Which is the best and any other better ones?

According to ABC
ABC opined that
ABC postulated that
ABC is of the view that
ABC hypothesized that


Another question about punctuation:

As ABC said, " Anyone or anyone hasn't get his bag?" Should I add full stop or comma at the end of this sentence to continue?

That is not a question. The question should be: Has anyone got his bag?

As ABC said, "we should take care of one another." , so....... Should I put full stop after another? is the usage of comma before so correct?

No, you put a full stop only once at the end of a sentence, not in the middle. The comma is OK

By the way, fullstops or full stop? Full-stop or full stop or period(American)

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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Sep 4 2011, 01:36 PM)
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Thank you so much^^ so, I do not need to put full-sop after belongings? :

As ABC said," we should take good care of our belongings", so............

BTW We or we? Capital W or small letter w?

Capital W

Thank you very much smile.gif


Added on September 4, 2011, 1:43 pmI kept asking myself why did he injure me. OR
I kept asking myself why did he injured me. OR
I kept asking myself why he injured me.

Which of these 3 is the correct one?

No. 3 is correct.  Like I said before, the 'why did he' is used in a question.
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QUOTE(DavidWKW @ Sep 5 2011, 10:20 PM)
Thank you smile.gif

How about this:

As ABC said," We should take good care of our belongings", so............

Need to put full stop after belongings? Thank you^^
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Yes. There are two versions:

As ABC said," We should take good care of our belongings." American English

As ABC said," We should take good care of our belongings". British English




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