QUOTE(mumeichan @ Aug 27 2011, 09:35 PM)
I'm not in any way against your desire to improve people's English here, but just to throw in my worthless two cents here, from the linguistics standpoint, there is not such thing as proper English. I spent alot of time studying English grammar for my SAT and to help me find the right terms to research and learn Japanese grammar. I did make some changes to the way I write for school assignments and some emails but not much. Some of the grammar prescribed in grammar books are outdated. Besides that, the grammar I use changes with the situations I'm in. I don't type the same way in Kopitiam. I don't talk the same way as I write. I don't use the same sentence structure when I talk to my Malaysian friends, even when I'm in US.
I think people will naturally pick up the grammar they need as the situation arises. If a certain variation is a specific grammar rule generates much debate, it probably means that either variation is equally used currently. Generally, people don't and can't scrutinize grammar when they're reading or speaking but unconsciously perceive the naturalness and appropriateness of the sentence as they go along.
'Proper' means 'that which is socially acceptable'. I agree it is not the most apt term to use since it is rather subjective to say what is proper and what is not. I think 'proper' in this thread refers to 'correctness' of the use of the language. As mentioned over the thread, for the average Malaysian these days, it is already an achievement to write correct English free of grammar mistakes let alone writing with finesse, no thanks to our education system.
No, I don't agree that one can naturally pick up grammar. As I mentioned before, unless there is someone to point out the mistake that you make, you may keep making the same mistakes all your life. Unlike in school where your have your teacher to mark your written work and point out your mistakes, generally you do not have the benefit of or are amenable to such guidance after you leave school and during your working life. I say this based on my personal experience of working as an employee and an employer.
It makes no difference whether language is used formally or normally. It still has to be correct. Granted the typical Malaysian English may not always be grammatical and you tend to adjust your language to suit the situation. Being able to communicate with perfect English, which I believe this thread is about, would certainly put you ahead of most people.
I believe we are not talking here about linguistics which is an academic study of languages at university level. It is more like going back to school, relearning plain old English grammar.
This post has been edited by tehtmc: Aug 27 2011, 11:10 PM