sometimes to BOT a non turbo will cost u more. if u dont intend to play high boost, u can just get a turbo kit from gsr and add in ems to adjust your afr to suit the turbo setup. it wont cost a lot but i think u wont get the same feeling like having a gsr. maybe u can get the 4g93t engine kosong.. might be easier.

just my opinion.. hopefully other sifu can give u a better suggestion

thanks! since there are few ways to get turbo for n/a 93...thats why im asking...to get to know more about 93 n its potential for modification...

BOT kit?
total transplant?
rojak parts?

another question...N/A 93 and 93T share the same blok? i mean the material of the blok itself...

4G93T block has oil squirters in it to cool down the pistons
Same goes to the 92 MIVEC

One of the reasons to get a 4G93T from scratch is sometimes a better choice

My dream project is :
4G93 block stroke with what ever lah to make it 2.0 + mivec head + mivec wiring..
But daydreaming only..
Can't afford..

care to elaborate further?

Rojak la tu..
Block : 4G93 1.8
Head : 4G92 MIVEC
Wiring : 4G92 MIVEC + ECU or whatever ECU lah i'm not sure
Stroke la bigger to 2.0cc..if can la..hehe..
pedro know la this rojak combination..right?
even though maddriver kata hard to maintain..
still in my dream la this rojak.

good explaination by shinjite. yes 93t block got oil squiter and 93 not. other than that, 93t piston is low compression piston.. which is meant for turbo.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 12:28 pmi love this kind of rojak. hehe

This post has been edited by joehan: Aug 5 2011, 12:28 PM

All T behind got the oil squirter..
Thats the difference..it meant for turbo..
So if u want to be monster,dont buy 4G63..buy 4G63T!!

ic!

wah u all know everything inside out la...

thanks!!!

Same goes to the 92, wanna play cheat to go 1.8

4g92 MIVEC block also got oil squirters.
Even for block with no oil squirters, one can easily go make it (need clarification on this).

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A stock GSR is only 180 bhp (lower whp) and it already cost some 10k++, to get the half-cut, transplant it in and other costs. Even this is without bothering about the condition of the half-cut.

A BOT on the other hand, you rebuild the engine, you rebore the block, you fit in new low compression pistons, you get the piping done, you buy a BRAND NEW turbo (not from halfcut, from halfcut also can la if you low on budget), you get a piggyback (or with more cash a standalone ECU) and you're off to go.

At the end of the day, I would do a BOT, due to the highly overpriced halfcuts of the 4g93/4g93t/4g92 MIVEC.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 1:07 pmSo in conclusion, for cheaper price or same as the transplant, with BOT, you get to choose what you want, new parts, new turbo, new ECU, with the transplant, you use stock pistons, stock parts, sure you can rebuild everything even with the transplant, but expect doubling the whole bill.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 1:11 pmFor a 10k BOT, I have these in mind

Garrett Ball Bearing turbos (f*ck you slow spooling stock turbo)
custom piping
Standalone ECU (Microtech, Haltech or whatever you want)
CP/Wiseco forged pistons

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Added on August 5, 2011, 1:15 pmSo with money, everything is possible (whichever way you want to go). With no money, nothing is possible.

This post has been edited by GEFORCEXTREME: Aug 5 2011, 01:15 PM

id go for a transplant rather than BOT...

take the campro BOT kit... RM10k... not including management iinm

yeah u get good power...brand new parts bla bla bla... but then...ur practically at ur limit...

transplant for 10k.. n u cikai cikai get roughly the same power... and u still have ALOT more room to go higher

i have a friend who used to have a 93T in his wira and he was pushing close to 280whp....now he's changed his 93T head to a MIVEC head to give him a nice and scary MIVEC 1.8 Turbo

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Added on August 5, 2011, 1:47 pmoh yeah.... if i were to own an old satria...id transplant an EVO3 in and swap the block for a 4G67 (1.8)....just for registration purposes...

after registered.. stamp the 4g67 code on the 4g63 block.. and put the 2L back in.. and hentam kow kow.. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

why would i do this... mainly coz theres tonnes more performance parts for the 4g6x series than the 4g9x series...

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Aug 5 2011, 01:47 PM

madman is there a way to pass the jpj test for upgrading 2.0 turbo like 4 or mivec 2.0 turbo?

November officially...


Walau-eh, all 4G 4G 4B S4 kononnya... Tarak K20 ni

1) With brand new performance parts, you get to the limit, but you DON'T GET ROUGHLY SAME POWER, YOU GET MUCH MORE.
1a) What do you mean at the limit? What limit? What do you mean transplant will give you ALOT more room to go higher? You think the 93t block is much tougher? Just because of the block? What stops me from just changing the block, then stuff in forged conrod, forged pistons?
2) Who is your friend? Is he a Chinese? My mech also runs that, but with Haltech E11x + Garreet Ball Bearing turbo.
3) Illegal loophole, not many are willing to do that.

Do properly can get how many horse out of the 4G93T ? conservatively

is it include forged pistons and can play higher boost ?

This post has been edited by yehlai: Aug 5 2011, 02:04 PM

madman,

With performance aftermarket parts, do you still think the limit of a 1.6 92p block (note the 1.6 here, not 1.8 yet) is only 180 whp (that of stock GSR)? It goes up much higher into the 2++.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 2:00 pmDepend on what turbo is he using, I'm say at least easily 280 whp.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 2:08 pmBut yeah, if transplant, then better get the 4g63 series, more parts to play with, or better the engine that's from the Supra (not for our cars la...), stock internal thats damn tahan!

This post has been edited by GEFORCEXTREME: Aug 5 2011, 02:08 PM

can drive 4g92mivec i oso happy liao

GEFORCEXTREME, its time for BOT. Let me eat your smoke

This post has been edited by yehlai: Aug 5 2011, 02:21 PM

yehlai,

You give me 10k, I do it. hehe...


Btw, I used to think of BOT day and night, until I realize a BOT is not cheap when its done properly. It's the cikai BOT that is cheap what will last you few days, then I decided I don't have the money for a proper BOT and I don't need few hundreds horsepower in my junk car.

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Added on August 5, 2011, 2:28 pmAlso, how often can you use the 200 whp in Malaysia? KL is jammed with cars all the day, even in highway the time when you actually use 200 whp is only 1/10000 (note that for a 200 whp max hp car, you only get that at a certain engine RPM) of the time you're on the highway, on track you can only use it in the straights, but a track is not all about straights.

Only when you can drive like maddriver you need more than 150 whp. I don't drive as good as him.

This post has been edited by GEFORCEXTREME: Aug 5 2011, 02:28 PM