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post Jul 26 2011, 12:19 AM, updated 15y ago

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LYN Official Proton Persona Owners Club and support thread V21!!

PPLYNC

Persona celebrating TWENTY-ONE threads of awesomeness!!

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!


TO ALL FELLOW PPLYNC MEMBERS WHO ARE DRIVING PERSONA ELEGANCE:

If you have ever experienced sounds (tak tak tak tak tak) coming from your engine during cold start in the morning, then it MAY BE one of the infamous Proton's manufacturing defect: the IAFM problem. IAFM noise is most noticeable during cold start, and you may hear the frequency of the noise going up or down depending on the RPM that the engine is running at. The noise is identical to a diesel truck or lorry's engine idling noise. Once the engine has warmed up, the noise will become softer or totally eliminated. This is because the plastic components on one of the valves on IAFM expands with heat. Below is a video of a member's car with IAFM problem.



So far the problems that may be associated with IAFM noise are nothing major, but in certain cases it may cause severe throttle lag, and the noise may get louder over time. Some owners have even experienced increase in fuel consumption and bad engine response.

If you visit the service centre and the mechanic or service attendant tells you that the noise is not caused by IAFM as our Persona Elegance comes with new batch of IAFM modules, DO NOT believe what they said.

You may:
1.) Ask them to diagnose and tell you what exactly is the problem since they insisted that it's not IAFM module noise.
2.) If the mechanics at CoSE tell you that the noise is not caused by IAFM, go to a few different SCs, have them to check your IAFM module for imperfections on the valve, then get them to write a report each. Compile these reports & bring it to CoSE's customer service and file a complaint, give it to their higher authority.

Now, do remember that they may not be able to figure the noise out if you send your car to SC as the engine has already warmed up. Park your car and leave it there for an hour or so for the engine to cool down, then get the service attendant or mechanic to listen to the noise as you start the engine.

Again, I would like to stress on this main point as I've experienced this myself and wasted almost a month plus before sending it to a different SC just to have the noise diagnosed as IAFM problem; If the guys at CoSE tells you that it's not IAFM problem but your guts and 13 other SCs tell u that it is, then it IS IAFM problem. In my case they never even bothered to check as the engine has already warmed up and the sound was gone by the time the mechanic laid his hands on my car.

This serves as an important announcement to all Persona Elegance (PE) owners as to not overlook this small issue that may lead to greater problems in the future. The price of IAFM modules has dropped since year 2009 (from RM 1200+ in late 2008 to RM 2xx in 2011) because of the frequency of Campro IAFM engines having this problem. Still, it's our right to claim the IAFM modules as they are covered under warranty and malfunctioned units are manufacturing defects. We should not wait till the warranty period is over and then pay them RM300+ including labour to fix a defect that is there from day 1 of ownership of the car itself.

I hope all the Persona Elegance owners out there take note of this issue and do not keep an eye closed.

Salam 1 Malaysia, & Harap Maklum.

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Recommended SC

1)Serdang SC - http://worldcarcare.com.my/WorldCarCare.html
Reasons: Best customer service in all reviews, allows you to bring own lube.

2) CoSE (beside Kesas) - Head towards Klang on Kesas and you will pass by the biggest Proton billboard you'll ever see. Thats the place.
Proton Center of Excellence (CoSE),
Jalan TP 5, Taman Perindustrian Sime Uep, 47600 Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia
Tel: 03-80269333
Tel2: 03-80269167
Fax: 03-80269155
HQ, easy to claim warranty and reflash ECU. Have to make appointment b4 going there. Can bring own Lube

3) Juru SC (Penang) - Can bring own lube.

4) Trend point - Along Jalan Tun Razak. (Still under review, first review was bad, but a warranty claim experience after that shows that they're quite efficient and able to detect problems that even CoSE denies.)

Unrecommended SC (TRY TO AVOID AT ALL COST!)

1) Sin Siang Hin sdn. bhd. at genting klang n gombak - bad service and they whack ur car like they pay for petrol
2) Senaxis Sdn Bhd No. 50, Jalan SS26/ 11, Taman Mayang Jaya, Petaling Jaya, 47301 SELANGOR Tel: 012-3283123 Fax: 03-78048753

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This post has been edited by xandras: Aug 7 2011, 02:32 PM
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:34 AM)
First~~ woohoo
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Woi.. No need to quote the whole thing la rclxub.gif

QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:34 AM)
wohoo!!!!!1st!!!
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Haha phail!! xD
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:36 AM)
i heard somewhere that to get the most efficient engine and fc is to drive up to your max engine torque..is it true?
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blink.gif who said so?

QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:37 AM)
haha. i wanna make the page longer ma. XD
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Zzz.. Edit lo.. Scroll till finger pain xD

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 12:37 AM)
hehe... no need wipe... i got my own ckt...
fu... damn kns rich!!

ready to vomit Blood...

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Zeng paid for my 1st stay at G Hotel brows.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:38 AM)
@xan...spend 1.3k for unforgetable nite is worth lah~~hahahaha~~lucky i dun have to spend tat amount of money~~
@zeng...wat do u mean is done right??
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brows.gif Not 1 nite mah.. 3 nites.. So quite ok lah.. brows.gif

Wat zeng meant is the overall of the TC.. Correct boost level with correct ECU tuning, etc etc will generally make it more reliable while gaining optimum power.. But not many TC sifus out there can do this la..
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:41 AM)
eleh...buy good quality razer mouse ma wont scroll till finger pain dy lo. or is your finger pain after staying in penang for 4 days? oops. tongue.gif
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Good quality Razer mouse = another RM200-300. Can stay another nite in Penang d drool.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 12:43 AM)
so no angel ring...then how much the 28xled? will easily spoil or kena block by police?
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LED have quite long life lah.. But kena block by police.. That I cannot guarantee.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:44 AM)
wow... i'm late! sad.gif
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Not really. U're still in 1st page laugh.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:46 AM)
adui...she din follow you back meh?
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No le.. She stayed in KL for a few months d..went back to spend time with family..Maybe next 2-3 weeks she'll be back..

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 12:47 AM)
change LED bulb = HID??
and change LED just cucuk&main?
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Cucuk & main brows.gif I like ur sense of humour.

No, but any colours other than orange or yellow is generally prohibited by JPJ if we were to retrofit it to our cars, and this applies to headlamp & HID/LED lights as well.
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post Jul 26 2011, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 12:55 AM)
so change to white color is prohibited....
i saw some can change from white to yellow, yellow to white...but anyhow when kena block change also no use 1 la...

then day running light like shorty5, installed kena tahan also  doh.gif right?
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If they want to they can actually stop u, but u can play around with them telling that the DRL is accessory light & not foglight or headlamp.. brows.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 01:00 AM)
if DRL got controller then will be better lor...
better go change super bright yellow headlamp lor...  also can shoot ppl ass until sun burn..white is moon-light....
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HID yellow bulb ma can lo..brows.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:03 AM)
haha. youre going to have a sad 2 to 3 weeks time man. =P
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I'm fine.. 3 nits enough to feed my hunger d.. XD when she's back she's gonna be here for another few more months ma..

QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:05 AM)
hahaha~~finger pain...i imagine how u do it.hahahaha~~
hahaha~~yah is ok. i prefer going for a trip XD included all in the package. eg genting XP
this is really young ppl punya budget.
no lah...i mean wat he mean by "if the first fark is done right "
hahahaha~~yup. tats the problem. tats why i am asking on who had done TC by xenon. seems quite good. maybe is just marketing??hahaha~~
yup. no angel ring. coz susah lah when dunno how to diy. need to spend money to pay for workmanship if i buy online. bcoz buy online cheaper. so far never got anything going thru blocks. coz when i turn on the headlight, most of the led light is covered edi. aiyah, jpj only post rule for hid that glare mah. somemore the led dont glare. but if u look at the led too long u still kena. hahahaha. previously i used the 8led one. above 4, below 4, purple white. 2led purple, 2led white. will change style everytime i on and off. but langsung cannot see got led when on headlamp. i post the picture 2moro for u to see the difference.
never get block leh. but jpj website say only white and yellow light allowed. so i think dun use other color. it says no blue, purple, green.
the led bulb is just the headlamp t10. the small lamp.
no lah~~white is not really phohibited. look at this.
http://portal.jpj.gov.my/index.php?option=...emid=43〈=ms
for headlamp it can be white or yellow. then not allowed is blue,green and purple.
daylight i think no problem. normally the one that glare will get caught.
if u really want white, make sure it is halogen, not hid.
but still u r right. aiyah. when ur car is really stock, they wont care lah. if ur car is ah beng type, they tahan u 1st regardless u got wrong or not. hahahaha~~
super bright yellow also can. but dun like...hahaha~~look awkward on my car XP

Added on July 26, 2011, 1:06 am
yup. but super yellow if glare also get caught lah~~
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My wira foglamp super bright yellow with yellow foglamp cover never kena than before.. XD
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(KKW @ Jul 26 2011, 01:06 AM)
HID got yellow meh?  hmm.gif
You mean 3000k ?
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Yea 3000k..

Added on July 26, 2011, 1:15 am@Dav, dun say till like I so evil lah..sweat.gif I'm into making things romantic n memorable for gals la..brows.gif

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post Jul 26 2011, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(KKW @ Jul 26 2011, 01:16 AM)
That one kau kau yellow  sweat.gif
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Yea.. N my myvi use 10000k blue for foglight.. XD
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:18 AM)
haha. should say that you sacrifice some energy for her somemore hor?  tongue.gif
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XD it's my pleasure to serve & satiate..brows.gif

QUOTE(KKW @ Jul 26 2011, 01:19 AM)
Lol... If raining no use already..
Turn on like you didn't turn on only  sweat.gif
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laugh.gif that 1 for aesthetic purpose only wan ma.. That's why put at foglight..
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(Dav6534 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:27 AM)
haha. you slowly serve la har. i need to sleep already. working in the morning tomorrow. nights  yawn.gif
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Lol. Me too, workin in the morning.. But had to online lah.. Cos paid full attention to a gal the past few days, now need a break.. XD

QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:27 AM)
not glaring lah~~but super yellow not as glare as white lor. white hid that glare will make u curse that fella.
10000k. super lor.my foglight burned edi. so when i get my salary i think i will buy one osram nightbreaker. hahahaha~~4300k is nice for me edi.
should say how nicely mah. this is a nice thing leh XD
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laugh.gif 10000k bulb damn hard to find..sweat.gif go normal halogen bulbs la.. Osram will do.. Don need go hid.. Save u from Kena hi light from other drivers n jpj road block..

Added on July 26, 2011, 1:32 am@KKW,

Because of the glare effect lah when u dont use HID with projector lights.. Very dangerous to drivers from opposite side of the road, especially those with astigmatism..

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post Jul 26 2011, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jul 26 2011, 01:33 AM)
easy answer is the design of the headlamp is not made for it. the factory made hid look damn cool and never hurt ur eyes one. go observe those expensive car. hahaha~~basically if ur hid wont glare, u wont get caught and being hate by other. i am sure u have experience kena glare by other.
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No need see expensive cars lah.. Waja CPS & Alza can already..brows.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jul 26 2011, 01:42 AM)
From now on u will always rmb who contributed the first night fark for u with ur CKT in Penang.
U wanna know? Lets say its equivalent to ckdenion's engine.
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sweat.gif not first nite fark la.. 1st nite of the 3-nite ordeal at Penang..xD but thanks bro..brows.gif

blink.gif where got so teruk.. Denion's case whole Siham have to change d wan.. XD
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post Jul 26 2011, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jul 26 2011, 02:09 AM)
yeah mah first nite in Penang fark.. XD..
Denion case Siham cracked and gone.. Must be geoduck too big.
Normally increase a bit.. Increase by 2-3psi.
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brows.gif His geoduck koyak the whole piston ring + burn & melt the piston inside also..

QUOTE(unemployed @ Jul 26 2011, 08:54 AM)
what tint films u guys using?? i park my car under open parking lot, at afternoon when i get my car then steering wheel is burning my hand...and i feel like toasted!! arhgg
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Mine TintMaster Titanium Black 8mil..

QUOTE(vccy @ Jul 26 2011, 08:57 AM)
Ops  yeah feel very sleepy ma. Gonna sleep already.
I sleep already. 
Wow so your Geoduck enjoyed?

Guys this fellow pm me for OEM rear persona disc brake.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1972492&hl=
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Of course enjoy lar brows.gif.. Siham die die also wan me to stay another nite but I had to work.. + pokai d after staying there so long.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 26 2011, 09:42 AM)
Even if you put VKool, you will also get toasted, just not toasted black. I'm using VKool Elite.

Use a windscreen cover to cover the front dash...works better.
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Agreed.. Just get a windscreen cover.. Cheaper, more reliable & better solution.. Can protect ur dashboard from UV rays also..

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 09:46 AM)
wah...this is 1200 leh... seem like not include installation la...
OEM rear persona disc brake mean original proton brake?
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RM 1200 I can stay penang for another 3 nites d drool.gif

QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jul 26 2011, 10:37 AM)
haiz.....  always missed you guys post pic....btw nice ported and polish job for CKT at G.hotel penang Xan .......

Added on July 26, 2011, 10:38 am
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Port & Polish.. brows.gif I like that..

QUOTE(luenywoon @ Jul 26 2011, 10:44 AM)
Windscreen cover is so inconvenient..
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That's the best solution to keep heat level in ur car low..

QUOTE(dorinyeah @ Jul 26 2011, 11:29 AM)
PnP not dig the cylinder wall and change larger piston meh? then wat it should call ah??
my fren told me PnP is make engine displacement bigger like 1.6 dig to 1.8 like tat...
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Ha? dig cylinder wall & change larger piston?? rclxub.gif No such thing la sayang.. P&P is done by relocating the air intake flow path to make the air flow smoother & more optimum. Yes, u need to dig the cylinder wall a bit, but no piston replacement is required. The smoother & smaller degree of the bend before reaching the cylinder head eases the air flow into the engine..

QUOTE(dzie25 @ Jul 26 2011, 11:44 AM)
HI HI All,  I'm New To Persona.. just bought my Car Last Month ago ! At first Greatz to Thread 21yos !

I have a question, i'm having a B-Line, i thinking to change RIM+ Tayer.. so... original is 15inch .. how was the feed back on 16inch.. or no difference at all.......

Thanks !
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Congrats.. Colour? Transmission? =)

16 inch gives a lighter steering feel & better handling & high speed stability compared to 15 inch, but 17 inch rims gives much better handling through corners.

QUOTE(unknownhammie @ Jul 26 2011, 12:18 PM)
Hmm, always say say only.. now want make it happen d...

Xan this weekend free? Salary out i pass to u then recommend extractor liao..

mau install...
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Weekend ka? Friday boleh?

QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jul 26 2011, 12:38 PM)
PnP got few stage lah, if wanna make bigger piston also can lah...but same as for CKT after so many PnP sure need to insatall bigeer valve due to the angine block HOLE become bigger and LOOSE .....
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sweat.gif Bigger & loose rclxub.gif

QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 26 2011, 02:45 PM)
Reading me makes me doubt Castrol Magnatec..

"In the additive package used in the manufacturing of lubricants, they have 2 main functions. They are 1. detergent package and 2. dispersant package. The additive in 1 is supposed to clean up all the "rubbish" like acids, carbon, rusts, water vapour generated from the combustion. Dispersant package is to disperse all the "rubbish" in the oil so that they are equally and completely disperse throughout/inside the oil. These "rubbish" if not disperse may clog or stick to the moving parts inside the engine. Also they may not be totally drained out during changing of the engine oil. Many people have a misconception if the engine oil drained out during the oil change is very black or dirty, the oil is not so good. Actually, the reverse is true. A good engine oil with good additive package will clear as much "rubbish" inside the engine during the oil change."

except taken from a supposedly ex-Castrol oil man in autoworld forum.
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That means minyak masak that has been reused over & over again till it's pitch black is actually healthy for us? laugh.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jul 26 2011, 04:06 PM)
I also never tried 0W-40 and 5W-40. But from the recommendations from forum, websites and also the data from Castrol made me want to try it for my 10 K service later.

So, u are the one who download it!  laugh.gif
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5W-40 still ok lah.. 0W-40 a bit too thin.. Our engine in our Malaysian weather mana boleh tahan.. rclxub.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jul 26 2011, 04:13 PM)
Up to you lah. tongue.gif The data is in front of your eyes. Like I said, 0W-40 or 5W-40 is still SAE 40 grade oil which
performed nearly same at 40 and 100 degree C.
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The performance of the engine oil is not what I'm worried about. It's the cold start protection.
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post Jul 26 2011, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(luenywoon @ Jul 26 2011, 04:32 PM)
Hey guys,

Anyone knows where to get the car opti coated??
And how much will it be roughly??

Pains of owning a white car  sad.gif
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Sunway ada.. U can contact KC for it also.. He might be able to give u a special price..

The last I checked was RM 600 onwards for a whole car.. But forgot where I got that price from..
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