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 [OFFICIAL] ATI X800GT/GTO/GTO² Disscusion Thread, 3DMark 03/05 comparison and discussion

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post Sep 20 2005, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(Dead__Man @ Sep 19 2005, 11:11 PM)
The simple and pure reason why I want AGP to die is because the less platforms you have, the easier it is to manufacture new stuff. PCI-E is the one with the bigger d*** in comparison to AGP, so let it be the dominating platform. I rest my case here.
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Well, actually I don't think APG is slowing down or affecting the technology advancement of GPU. I mean afterall, as u can see now, they are all making chipset for PCI-E, and use a bus to port to AGP if they wants to. so in a way, they are developing new chipset as if AGP don't exist anymore. I don't see how that could slow down the tech advancement...
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post Sep 20 2005, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Sphenix @ Sep 19 2005, 02:43 PM)
only "Sapphire X800 GTO²" can unlock the extra 4 pipelines
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is it all 100% for all sapphire X800GTO ?..so if i buy sapphire X800GTO then can softmod to X850XT ? sorry...can't read chinese....
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post Sep 20 2005, 02:52 PM

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wow, seems like a debate is goin on in here
If the market for AGP is still there, then releasing AGP would be good.

For example, if ATi doesn't produce AGP card anymore and Nvidia is still producing them then of course Nvidia will gain more profit.

BTW, the 700MB CD-ROM is an old tech and we dun see it dying at all even though 4.7GB DVD and 30~50GB next-gen DVD is introduced.
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QUOTE(Mr7077 @ Sep 20 2005, 10:16 AM)
is it all 100% for all sapphire X800GTO ?..so if i buy sapphire X800GTO then can softmod to X850XT ? sorry...can't read chinese....
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nope. only for the special sapphire X800GTO² wink.gif
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post Sep 20 2005, 05:54 PM

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when will the card sampai lyp????
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post Sep 20 2005, 09:45 PM

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post Sep 20 2005, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 20 2005, 02:52 PM)
wow, seems like a debate is goin on in here
If the market for AGP is still there, then releasing AGP would be good.

For example, if ATi doesn't produce AGP card anymore and Nvidia is still producing them then of course Nvidia will gain more profit.

BTW, the 700MB CD-ROM is an old tech and we dun see it dying at all even though 4.7GB DVD and 30~50GB next-gen DVD is introduced.
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Yeah, but unlike graphic cards, you can put a cd in a DVD rom drive. I can't put an AGP card into a PCI-E slot, now can I?

Compatibility is the issue here. By forcing consumers to adhere to one standard, technological progresses will be made easier.
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post Sep 20 2005, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Dead__Man @ Sep 20 2005, 09:58 PM)
Yeah, but unlike graphic cards, you can put a cd in a DVD rom drive. I can't put an AGP card into a PCI-E slot, now can I?

Compatibility is the issue here. By forcing consumers to adhere to one standard, technological progresses will be made easier.
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There is a point.
Anyway there is an AGP to PCI-E converter.
http://www.techpowerup.com/?3272
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This post has been edited by evilhomura89: Sep 20 2005, 11:00 PM
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post Sep 21 2005, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Mr7077 @ Sep 20 2005, 10:16 AM)
is it all 100% for all sapphire X800GTO ?..so if i buy sapphire X800GTO then can softmod to X850XT ? sorry...can't read chinese....
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Notice that small '2' beside that GTO... sweat.gif only that version can be flashed to 16pipes... flex.gif

tried flashing x850pro to xtpe today, but no luck, still at 12 pipes... huh.gif

*like ikanayam said > technology advancing everyday.... sooner or later, everything we used today may become obsolete...
unusable... rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 21 2005, 11:10 AM

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Is the X800 GTO available in M'sia?? Think not.
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post Sep 21 2005, 04:30 PM

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Darn...no images still of the Sapphire GTO besides the Silent version?
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post Sep 21 2005, 06:53 PM

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Good news to AGP users:
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News : GPUs & Graphic Cards : ATi X800GTO Cards In Sep
ATi will extend another model for their recently launched X800GT, known as the X800GTO clocked at 400MHz and has 12 pipelines. There will be two main variants, 256MB GDDR3 version with memory clock at 490MHz and 128MB GDDR1 version with memory clock at 350MHz. All GTO cards will use excess R480 Pro, R430 Pro or R423 Pro chips. There will be AGP versions of this card available in the near future as ATI already has reference designs of the 256MB chip running on 500MHz GDDR3 based on R430 Pro on both AGP and PCIe with the Rialto bridge. Performance is between X800GT and an X800XL and expect to see the new cards in September's retail channel.
From Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2512

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近我们报道了未来的R520家族，现在我们获知R480家族（对应于X800系列显卡）会有两位新成员在九月面市，正式名称是X800GTO。这些新显卡将采用库存的R480PRO、R430PRO或者R423PRO芯片，换句话说，你无法确定买到手的X800GTO采用了何种芯片，这要取决于板卡生产商的进货渠道和你的RP（改卡族开始动脑筋了，但毫无疑问R480PRO将会限量供应）。

　　GTO有两种规格：
    X800GTO 256MB
    核心400MHZ，12管/显存490MHZ，256M/256Bit，GDDR3

　　X800GTO 128MB
    核心400MHZ，12管/显存350MHZ，128M/256Bit，DDR1

　　另外，这两个规格都分别有AGP和PCIE两个版本（谢天谢地！），ATI已经为厂家准备了以R430为核心，以256M/500MHZ GDDR3显存的AGP和PCIE设计参考。据推测，新显卡的效能将介乎于X800GT和X800XL之间，价格区间也与其身份对应。由于ATI对板卡生产商的约束极少，可以预计会有一些缩水的变种出现在市场上，售价也会更低。 
From http://vga.zol.com.cn/2005/0827/198671.shtml

Another useful link:
http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/x800gto-1.htm

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The X800GTO² mod to X850XTPE seems really attractive.. I can't OC my X800XL up to good speeds smile.gif
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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Sep 20 2005, 10:57 PM)
There is a point.
Anyway there is an AGP to PCI-E converter.
http://www.techpowerup.com/?3272
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Yeah, but this costs money and is impractical, you can't say the same about DVD-ROM drives with CD-ROM support.
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Powercolor's X800GTO

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The PowerColor X800 GTO, based on R430 core technology which is with most advanced 0.11 micro-fabrication process, core/memory clock speed up to 400/490MHz with 256MB/256bit GDDR3 memory, delivers a 12 parallel pixel pipelines, DirectX® 9.0 architecture with an unprecedented value as a High Definition Gaming graphics card with category-leading performance. It provides high quality hardware acceleration of video for reduced CPU utilization and comprehensive support for industry standard video formats, including MPEG 1/2/4, RealMedia, DivX and WMV9.

PowerColor X800 GTO will be available on September 15th, 2005.

-taken from Powercolor's site
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post Sep 22 2005, 11:50 AM

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^AGP version....music to my ears thumbup.gif

Now lets wait for the price when it hits our shores
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post Sep 22 2005, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Sep 22 2005, 11:50 AM)
^AGP version....music to my ears thumbup.gif

Now lets wait for the price when it hits our shores
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In my opinion, I think it will flood the year end PC fair just like 6600GT did last time.
The price should be around RM750~RM900.
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Where did PowerColor post about X800 GTO?? Didn't find it on their website. http://www.tul.com.tw

But I did found out that Gecube has already listed a x800GTO AGP on their website. Look it up here:
http://www.gecube.com/products-02.php?prod...prod_cat_id=134
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Found out from the net, it seems that GTO^2 is the version X800GTO that can be unlock.

On 15 Septemeber, ATI has just released X800GTO in US and Canada, with Gecube, PowerColor, HSI, Sapphire and Mobo makers (ASUS, MSI, ABIT, Gigabyte...). The list can be found on ATI website.

If you search in Gecube website, you can see that Gecube has released a version on X800GTO in AGP. http://www.gecube.com/products-02.php?prod...prod_cat_id=134. Though it is listed on their website, but chances that one can get one in M'sia is pretty low as ATI will be pushing hard for R5-series VPU line.

As for nVidia G7-series, no AGP version card is planned since the beginning of development as it has been stated by their CEO, Mr Hwang, as he think that more and more users will be migrating to PCIe mobo as chipset manufacturers (from both camps) are pushing the new platform aggressively.

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QUOTE(Viewer @ Sep 22 2005, 10:31 PM)
Where did PowerColor post about X800 GTO?? Didn't find it on their website. http://www.tul.com.tw

But I did found out that Gecube has already listed a x800GTO AGP on their website.  Look it up here:
http://www.gecube.com/products-02.php?prod...prod_cat_id=134
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that GeCube is the 128MB version, slower RAM and core as well i think, as compare to the 256MB

I think it'll be better for someone who wants this card to go straight for the 256MB card...

But then lets wait for the benchmark comparing it to other card as well as the price
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