Very simple only, If you have the budget of RM2000 to hire a person, Just offer him to whoever you think is perfect for the job . Please don't hide the fact that you just wanna low-ball the person. Just admit that you wished you could find a water fish for RM 1500 then you could save RM500 for whatever use and the person is so naive to be happy. Please. You just wanna low-ball the candidate.

If you asks your vendor how much his real cost is and request him to tell you how much profit he would like to make?
The answer is HELL NO, not single vendor is stupid/idiot enough to do that.

If you asks your (candidate) how much his current salary and request him to tell you how much profit he would like to make ?
The answer is there are simply too many naive people out there, too crazy.

At most, a vendor will give you a price , you want him, pay that.
At most, a candidate should say his ideal(expected) salary,you want him, pay that.

Employer is not low-ball the candidates, but just to get the best out of the budget they can.

Well... if you think running a business and sustain it are just as simple as you think then... may be you should start a business and share with me how to certain your company growth and future forecast.

Employer is not low-ball the candidates, but just to get the best out of the budget they can. When the candidate proved that he is capable, we do not hesitate in adjusting his salary after his probation. That's most HR is doing.

Well... if you think running a business and sustain it are just as simple as you think then... may be you should start a business and share with me how to certain your company growth and future forecast.

Employer is not low-ball the candidates, but just to get the best out of the budget they can. When the candidate proved that he is capable, we do not hesitate in adjusting his salary after his probation. That's most HR is doing.

Just because I have a budget of RM 2,000 doesnt meant I want to pay someone "perfect" for the job RM 2,000. That is why HR always have a range for a position, like RM 1,500 to Rm 2,500.

Maybe I meet a worker A who has perfect pointer, prior work experience (impressive previous work resume), smooth talker, polite, convincing, I would surely like to offer him the highest range of my budget RM 2,500 to try and attract him.

Then I meet a worker B who isnt that good, so i offer him RM 1,500.

Both will be able to do that job, becos my company so stronk that sales automatically keep rolling in bla bla bla, But worker A obviously has the capability to maybe even exceed my expectations, or have the potential to rise in my company. While I feel worker B does not have such potential. Yes, both can do the entry level job I am advertising for RM 2,000. But human beings have different capacity, and so I lowball B in order to have the budget to hire A.

Asking for payslip is just part of my evaluation, like many have already said in this thread, it IS NOT MANDATORY for you to show it, but employer IS ALLOWED to ask for it. It is up to you whether you want to give or not. There is no right or wrong here. Saying the employer is wrong to ask for it (unethical/lowballing) is false. Payslip reflects a persons value quite accurately, especially the longer you work.

Going back to my example:

Let say I ask for worker A's payslip and I notice that his pay always around RM 1,000 to RM 1,500 for the past 10 years, while job hopping around. Suddenly I might have to rethink my evaluation. Why was he always paid so low? Was there a problem in his previous company? Has he perfected the art of interviewing after 10 years and is trying to con me now?

Then worker B refuse to give and I immediately hire worker C, who just come in, roughly same standard as worker B and is willing to show his payslip.

Clearly, whether or not you show your payslip is up to you, and can be good or bad depending on the circumstances. It is part of your evaluation, and is another form of the question "tell me more about yourself". You can tell them, or you can choose NOT to tell them. Problem is when you choose not to tell them, what will they think?

Bottom line:

Employer is RIGHT and SHOULD ask for your payslip. You CAN CHOOSE whether you want to give or not.

In most circumstances, showing your payslip means you are on the losing end of negotiations, but please also consider what you lose by choosing not to show your payslip. Right or wrong, it all depends on the circumstances and how you handle the situation.

LY115,

<<Well... if you think running a business and sustain it are just as simple as you think then..>>

That is YOUR PROBLEM.  The employee's problem is to get the best deal that they can.  The employee is running a business of selling their time and service for money in order to feed their own family.

<<When the candidate proved that he is capable, >>

Why?? It goes both way.  Unless and until the employers prove themselves to be SINCERE and HONEST by disclosing their salary range ahead of time, why should any candidate with LEVERAGE want to deal with them to begin with??

If the EMPLOYER is not willing to be UPFRONT and HONEST during hiring process, COMMON SENSE will tell you that they will not treat you any better later.

<<Employer is not low-ball the candidates, but just to get the best out of the budget they can.>>

Which translate to paying as LITTLE as possible even though they can pay a lot more by their budget.

It is VERY SIMPLE.

It goes both way.  You can play game.  But, ANYONE that is capable will avoid you and stop wasting time with YOU.  Or they will leave as soon as they know you could pay them more.  YOUR CHOICE and YOUR LOSS.

Dreamer

Have you done any recruitment interview on behalf of your dept or company before?

I means for those normal interview that follow HR protocol?

KOHTT,

<<Have you done any recruitment interview on behalf of your dept or company before?>>

Yes.

<<I means for those normal interview that follow HR protocol?>>

No.

Why should I??

HR is the ENEMY to GOOD Hiring Manager.  HR only care about saving money.  It does not care whether the RIGHT PERSON is hired.  Meanwhile, if the WRONG PERSON is hired, the HIRING MANAGER is RESPONSIBLE and will be fired for that.  HR is not RESPONSIBLE for the mess.

In fact, we (good hiring managers) coach our candidate how to bypass the system.  In most cases, we recruit our own people bypassing the whole system.  After we decide who to hire, then, we get the candidate to fill out job application form.  This is HOW most of the jobs are filled.  We do not advertise the open position to begin with until we know who to hire.  Or else, HR will make a mess out of this.  Only if we cannot find anyone via our social network, then, we pass the position to HR.

Dreamer

What about in terms of "expected salary"? If you answer the expected salary in specific, does that means sealing your negotiating card and what should be the wiser answer to this?