LY115,

<<Well... if you think running a business and sustain it are just as simple as you think then..>>

That is YOUR PROBLEM. The employee's problem is to get the best deal that they can. The employee is running a business of selling their time and service for money in order to feed their own family.

<<When the candidate proved that he is capable, >>

Why?? It goes both way. Unless and until the employers prove themselves to be SINCERE and HONEST by disclosing their salary range ahead of time, why should any candidate with LEVERAGE want to deal with them to begin with??

If the EMPLOYER is not willing to be UPFRONT and HONEST during hiring process, COMMON SENSE will tell you that they will not treat you any better later.

<<Employer is not low-ball the candidates, but just to get the best out of the budget they can.>>

Which translate to paying as LITTLE as possible even though they can pay a lot more by their budget.

It is VERY SIMPLE.

It goes both way. You can play game. But, ANYONE that is capable will avoid you and stop wasting time with YOU. Or they will leave as soon as they know you could pay them more. YOUR CHOICE and YOUR LOSS.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 11 2014, 09:26 AM

KOHTT,

<<Have you done any recruitment interview on behalf of your dept or company before?>>

Yes.

<<I means for those normal interview that follow HR protocol?>>

No.

Why should I??

HR is the ENEMY to GOOD Hiring Manager. HR only care about saving money. It does not care whether the RIGHT PERSON is hired. Meanwhile, if the WRONG PERSON is hired, the HIRING MANAGER is RESPONSIBLE and will be fired for that. HR is not RESPONSIBLE for the mess.

In fact, we (good hiring managers) coach our candidate how to bypass the system. In most cases, we recruit our own people bypassing the whole system. After we decide who to hire, then, we get the candidate to fill out job application form. This is HOW most of the jobs are filled. We do not advertise the open position to begin with until we know who to hire. Or else, HR will make a mess out of this. Only if we cannot find anyone via our social network, then, we pass the position to HR.

Dreamer

KOHTT,

<<Have you interview the candidates (together with HR or without) that you have not meet before? Someone that you only seen for the first time in the interview and he is not recommend by anyone that you know.>>

I had worked in the industry for 20+ years. So, before I interviewed anyone, I would had used linkedin to check out the candidate's background via my social network. If they do not pass my background check, they would not have an interview from me.

<<Let said the company has 1000 staff or even more 2,000 Staff.>>

A hiring manager only hire 10 to 20 people. A director hire 10 to 20 manager. A VP hire 10 to 20 directors. HR hire no one. So, nobody is hiring 1,000 to 2,000 people.

<<Anyway, I don't think that forummer here are in the position to by passby HR in their job search effort. >>

People that DO NOT KNOW how to play the game cannot do it. And, even a SENIOR person may not know how to do it if they DO NOT LEARN.

Let's say you are a fresh graduate. You have friends and families that are working. You have seniors in your college that graduated before you and are working now. So, unless you live in a cave and socialize with NO ONE, you know somebody that work in some company NOW. And, those people know even more people than you do.

A career minded and hard working fresh graduate would had reach out to all his and her contacts and check who is hiring and what they are looking for. What are the job opening and requirement?? Go out lunch with as many people in the industry as possible.

In fact, a SMART person would had started doing this 2 years before he / she is graduated.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 14 2014, 03:14 AM