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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !

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post Aug 24 2011, 10:49 AM

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Andy214: true true.. It's a very personal thing, I have to agree.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 24 2011, 10:58 AM)
for the custom WB i guess u have to, then again its not like the default auto WB is bad.


Added on August 24, 2011, 11:03 amanyway...i still wonder if i should get a fisheye...i know its something that wont be used often...but sometimes u wish u had it...but starting at rm1k+...zzz...
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Auto or presets WB isn't that accurate in warm tungsten lighting. That I can be prettysure of. This is where the white/grey card method comes in really handy.
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post Aug 24 2011, 12:47 PM

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Jchue, I'm not going to start a 'my dad is better than your dad' thing here, hence there is no need for AMG, AC SCHNITZER thing here. All I wanted to point out was the convenience of it and how intuitive the UI is to someone new who picks up a particular cam. Fiddling for half an hour and still not able to figure out how it's done, that isn't called intuitive. My canon and nikon friends have no issue at all to figure out where things are the very 1st time they pick up my cam. That is called an intuitive UI.


Added on August 24, 2011, 12:48 pmLike I mentioned earlier, I will get the video done tonight at home. Then maybe we could discuss further and maybe u guys and prove me wrong. I have no issues with constructive information at all.

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post Aug 24 2011, 08:46 PM

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If you have anything to share or correct on my side, please do so biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 24 2011, 08:47 PM)
let me fix for you  tongue.gif
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Added on August 24, 2011, 9:04 pm
QUOTE(vearn27 @ Aug 24 2011, 08:48 PM)
Yeah, although he mentioned Sony A700 can snap for the PRE setting easily, D7000 can do the same too. But again, at the point of time of our exploration yesterday, we failed to fiddle out how to work it with Nikon till I back home and flipped my manual. In fact, he did used the WB button + the dials to switch across WB presets.

However, he mentioned that there is one more setting for WB which he did not found in D7000 system. Let see what's exactly he mentioning and probably I failed to get it out laugh.gif
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Yeah, about that...



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hey wassup andy! the vid's up... back one page from this one if you are interested
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Aug 24 2011, 09:44 PM)
Isn't that is the Fine tune White Balance settings which you saw yesterday? The Squarish color thingy with a point where you can move to either increased blue, amber, green and magenta?

Given that's the case, isn't the D7000 would able to offer wider option with two values adjustable than only one which I saw from your video?
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Yes, it is, and no your D7000 won't offer a wider (or narrower) field of adjustment, it is the same, just that the presentation method is different. It is basically the same for both of us, Nikon (and Canon) represents it in a graphical form, while Sony represents it with numerical values.

What I meant was, when you adjust your Kelvin values on the top LCD screen, how do you adjust the green/magenta shift (without going deep into button pushing menus)? That was my question to you yesterday.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 24 2011, 10:56 PM)
Okay I get what you mean now for point 1. I don't recall exactly how many steps required but its about there.

On the second part is point where you meant Sony is more user friendly than Nikon right? Or rather Nikon do not have that? Actually Nikon have similar to what you have shown in video no.2, but in a wider variety. But that one can only be accessed in the menu. For Sony, can be accessed from top LCD only?
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As I can recall from Vearn's D7k, to initially set a custom WB would take quite a bit of button mashing, subsequently after being set, it would/should be faster as you all have mentioned, I have no say on that as Vearn and I did not manage to get that far.

Not exactly user friendly or not, just that I have noticed that on the top LCD of the D7k, I could not manage to set the magenta/green bias directly unless you get deep into the menu, if it could, that would definitely be much faster. As you can see from the 2nd video, the bias is set at the same place from where I could set all my other WBs. I do agree that the WB micro adjustments are more (esp on the AWB micro tweaking, not available on my A700, but is now available on the A77). For mine, basically, that single WB button is all I need to have full access. And yeah, A700 does not have a top LCD.


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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 24 2011, 11:08 PM)
but nikon got the "BKT" function rite?  smile.gif
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Bak Kut Teh? lol... hahaha, pulling ur legs... bracketing function? for? White balance bracketing? Mine have that as well.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Aug 24 2011, 11:15 PM)
Basically, like what CY mention and I also mentioned before previously, the Custom WB can be set without going through the menu.

On your second video, the green/magenta shift, I think we can't do that for Custom WB without going through the menu on the D7000, not sure about higher end models. But for preset WB, I think we can adjust with limited options on the D7000.

From your video:
I guess the main reason is because the top LCD in D7000 is small, compared with Sony, which implement on the BACK LCD instead; This give much more room and more intuitive UI (colour screen), also means more can be done.

Actually, for the D7000 and also other models, you can press the INFO button to access a set of available controls for quick access, which is using the BACK LCD.

Then again, I guess it's sort of different implementation? Usually people talking about quick controls is without having to access the BACK LCD; If we refer to the back LCD, I think many things can be done, such as what I mentioned for the "INFO" button to bring up Nikon's interactive UI? For higher end models, this UI provides more controls.

Nonetheless, I'd like to see Nikon implement adjusting the green/magenta shift onto the top LCD. Does higher end models have this (since D7000 top LCD is smaller)?
The Sony is not access from top LCD, it's from back LCD.
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I wouldn't say that it is the matter of size of the top LCD that governs it. Rather, the lack of it there could actually been easily fixed by the designers merely by applying the same button pressing as you would when you want to do your exposure compensation (press + dial) so, now from what I can see, it could be (left thumb on WB, right index on wheel, right thumb on button to shift G/M shift). So, from that, doesn't really matter what size the top LCD is, its still applicable.

Just an observation.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 24 2011, 11:37 PM)
Chill, I got the video to show how it is done in the Nikon system instead. ;-) Now I wonder how long would I take to get it up live ._.
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Sweet! That's how forum can benefit new users on functions of the camera they would no initially get to know... biggrin.gif
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CY, yes I have noticed that fact about the presets, that is also the main reason I was asking why didn't they make it for K values as well?
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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Aug 25 2011, 12:11 AM)
tried on my d5100
menu button -> white blance -> preset manual -> measured -> snap photo

or using picture

menu button -> white blance -> preset manual -> use picture -> select
4 step on my side

now i can pretake grey colour yipeee!!!!!
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4 steps, but my initial point was how many actual physical presses before getting to white balance that counts...
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Now that we're clear on the quibble for the whole day, glad to have things cleared out ^^

At the end of the day, it's the final image captured that is important. So as long the user knows what to press and how to get there, nothing else matters smile.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 25 2011, 12:29 AM)
The thing that triggered this discussion is probably when you said Nikon requires many steps, cause I recalled it wasn't as complicated as you described earlier.
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Yup, as now we have found out, it might not necessary be the case, just that some hidden steps that we did not know about. Discussions are a good thing in my book. Ppl get to learn, things are clarified. Everyone's happy. And at the same time, we found out how different ppl respond to critics differently.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 25 2011, 12:33 AM)
Just need to read the manual or actually understand how the Nikon body control works ;-).

Anyways posted my video few post before this.
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bravo, very detailed indeed..
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deep depth of field is mutually exclusive with lots of bokeh, if u get what i mean...
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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Aug 26 2011, 04:02 PM)
Sifu(s) lately i played alot of Pre WB, i can say my shoots now are much better, less lightroom adjustment for WB.

A noob question here: Is it advisable to print out grey card? if it is, is there a standard colour to follow or any grey colour would do? As I did some reading in DP forums they mention grey is better than white card O.O(I blur already)

Can someone help me clear my doubts smile.gif
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It's fine to print out a grey card, but make sure your paper surface isn't reflective or partially reflective. Else, it will make it less accurate. Try look for surrounding boxes/cards/hard plastics that are grey, a bit of trial and error is needed here. But most will be close enough.

Remember the video where I showed about the setting Custom WB with a white card, its actually double sided. One side white, one side grey. I DIY-ed from those VCR cassette sleeves. Very robust, water proof (unlike paper or cardboard), and i double it as a huge bounce card with velcro stuck on one of the sides to the back of my flash. Works better than those Gary Fong or Stofens with next to no cost at all. Whenever I need a Custom WB, pull down the card, shoot the white side, and stick it back on the flash. Voila!

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As with what I have shared in Sony Thread, see if any of you are interested with some DIY over the weekend wink.gif


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But really soft shadows... me likes...

One glitch, TTL doesn't work, flash has to be used in manual. These 2 shots were at 1/8 power

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I've put a reflective piece of board at 45 degrees to direct light more effectively towards the opening to reduce light loss

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here are the measurements in "cm" tailored for A700 + F58 + Minolta 100mm macro

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More appropriately, a macro flash diffuser. At that close range, most flash will overexpose the subject even at the lowest power setting. So u need to Har a way to diffuse the light. And at the same time, softens the output to avoid/reduce harsh shadows.
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Not sure bout u guys, but I can't seem to see thevideo in the iPhone.

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