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celciuz
post Sep 16 2011, 08:27 AM

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Only issue with the 40mm macro lens is the 1:1 distance is too close. Can easily chase the insects and also blocks lighting =( I am currently looking for macro lens lol. 105 VR at 3050. What's the price like in KL?
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post Sep 16 2011, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Sep 16 2011, 08:40 AM)
But for close up shots , it's pretty nice , gonna add it to my wish list for now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Sep 16 2011, 08:48 AM)
Dont think this lens is for insect. Its more appropriate for stuff in a control environment. First thing come to my mind:

Nenedoroid. Hahahha
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Well, turns out the 105 VR is still the more versatile choice, only issue is longer focal length means lesser DOF? And also if handheld easier to handshake but there's VR to compensate. I'm not a macro shooter, I might be wrong though.
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post Sep 16 2011, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 16 2011, 09:54 AM)
It can be used as portrait lens as well, great for portraits, it's sharp and bokeh is really nice.

Yes, easier to handshake due to longer focal length, but the good thing is there is VR.

It's a great lens, with Nano coatings, Internal Focusing (doesn't extend when you focus), VR, etc....
These lenses which have Internal Focusing (IF) will have focus breathing issue.

Focus Breathing
Tthe image size changes significantly as you focus in the macro range, which makes it tough to get precise framing.
http://bythom.com/105AFSlens.htm

"I have news for you: all of the fixed focal length Micro-Nikkors aren't actually fixed focal length. In order to keep from being enormously long when focused at 1:1 magnification, Nikon (as well as many other macro makers) plays with the optical formula in order to keep from having an ever telescoping lens barrel. In macro work, you wouldn't want that, anyway, as a lens barrel that telescoped significantly to get to 1:1 would reduce working distance and potentially start hitting things in your scene at close working distances. Thus, at 1:1, this lens becomes about f/4.8 and does not extend even a millimeter. The aperture loss is actually a bit less dramatic at lower magnifications and the non-extension is very much welcome for macro use."
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I won't even bother using the 105 VR as portrait lens when I have 70200 or 85 around tongue.gif I think the 105 VR focuses slower than the 85 doh.gif

Reading that statement, it still 105mm right, just aperture to f/4.8? I noticed this when using it before, the aperture automatically changed. But then again, shooting 1:1 at f/2.8? At that working distance I think very little is in focus.
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post Sep 16 2011, 10:05 AM

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Err, even when shooting at 1:1, you still need close up filter or extension tube for smaller objects.
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post Sep 16 2011, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Sep 16 2011, 10:14 AM)
that is why canon MP-E65mm 1-5x super macro lens comes in handy  brows.gif

Not only it produce 1:1 but up to 5:1  shocking.gif

But then, those are for extremist, I doubt most of the normal people do used up until 1:1 all the time  sweat.gif
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Have you seen the that lens when doing 5:1? It is so long it feels like a tele tongue.gif I think the working mechanism is similar to extension tube, so its just like a macro lens with build in extension tube for the extra magnification.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 16 2011, 11:57 AM)
haha, yea, 85G, darn, keep poisoning...

I'm not sure about technicals and working of the focus breathing things, I read to achieve 1:1, you need to focus at MFD which will result in smaller aperture of f/4.8, but as you aid, usually for macro, we want more in focu, usually smaller aperture will be use, unless one just want the eye in focus or small head of the insect, etc. Then again, you might see some macro shooters do cropping, so they can use bigger aperture and fill only small part of the frame.
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As far as I know, lens breathing refers to lens such as the 70200 VRII. At 200mm MFD, you only get around 130mm. The only time you will hit close to 200mm is when you focus at infinity. Cropping... Most Nikon body have only 12MP... sad.gif not exactly a lot of room to crop :S.

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Sep 16 2011, 12:22 PM)
Somehow using the 105VR I have to dial down to f8/f10 to get a decent DOF..
That's why I rely on the R1C1 to illuminate the subject

40mm should be a good wide + portrait lens for Dx..
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Even using 40mm also you need to step down on the aperture else insufficient DOF.
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post Sep 16 2011, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(sOuLx @ Sep 16 2011, 06:59 PM)
i'm confuse to buy which lens for travelling.

right now i'm using 50f1.8D because its small and light.
but i dont fancy this lense because its hard for me to shoot for landscape photo.

what's in my mind right now is nikkor AF-S 16-85 f3.5-5.6 VR  or the AF-
S 18-200 VR .which one is better? i read some reviews, but still couldnt decide. or is there any good 3rd party lenses?
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Among your choices, the 16-85 is probably the best in terms of image quality. Else you can consider the Tamron 1750 VC, or the DX King, Nikkor 17-55 f/2.8.
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post Sep 16 2011, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Sep 16 2011, 08:45 PM)
as 1750 user, i 100% wont go for this lens. save up a bit more for 1755 anytime
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Fixed biggrin.gif Well, the 1755 doesn't look like it is within his budget. The lens he have in mind are all sub 3k lens. The 1755 is close to 5k.
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QUOTE(sOuLx @ Sep 16 2011, 09:23 PM)
I was thinking about 1755 too it's not out of budget. but i dont feel i deserve to use that kind of lens if my photos i still crappy.
i've tried tamron17-50, feels good too. but focusing and sharpness is not as good as nikkor lens??
what's the price for 16-85 now?
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If budget allows, then go for the 17-55. Don't limit yourself just because you think 'you don't deserve it due to photo crappy etc'. There is no rules saying beginner can't use pro lens/body, or a pro photog cannot use a beginner lens/body.
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post Sep 16 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(sOuLx @ Sep 16 2011, 09:34 PM)
because i'm just a casual hobbyist, i wouldn't want to spend too much in lens for now. also i'm eyeing a another lens and  some accessories.

i'll start slowly. maybe after this i go and buy 16-35 f4. biggrin.gif
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Well, you said its not out of budget. If its within your budget, that is the best choice. Are you on DX? If yes then the 16-35 is not here not there kinda lens. Trust me, I have used it before and I know. Plus at f/4, it is a slow lens especially for DX (well maybe the D7000 can handle though).

QUOTE(enriquelee @ Sep 16 2011, 09:58 PM)
What is the series of nikon lens equal to canon L lens.
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The lens with Nanocoat are equivalent of the L. Well not exactly, but whatever the Canon has for L, Nikon has equivalents except the few such as 50 f/1.2, f/1.0 and 85 f/1.2 for example.
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Sep 16 2011, 10:38 PM)
can say N series nikon = L series canon?
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Its not exactly a 'series'. But yes, generally you can say that.
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 16 2011, 11:40 PM)
buy the nikon used, rm1.3-1.4k.
tamron i dont see anyone selling it used, maybe cos its still somewhat new in the market.
canon L lens = red ring = nikon gold ring.
of cos all nano coat is gold ring, but not all gold ring got nano coat tongue.gif
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Yeah, the old pro line up before the introduction of Nanocoat biggrin.gif.
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post Sep 17 2011, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Sep 17 2011, 05:35 AM)
no time la bro. too much work to be done. that one 5 min editing tongue.gif


Added on September 17, 2011, 5:36 am
2nd 1755 shud be around 3.5 - 3.2k only what? shud be in his budget


Added on September 17, 2011, 5:37 am
u will regret it as tamron suffer on low light which mean super suffer. even in so so light i always get mis focus. u need good light only then u get just nice focus. it is a sharp lens for F4 and above. super soft for wide open. budden i still live with it after all


Added on September 17, 2011, 6:15 amits been awhile didnt do BnW shoot
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A photographer choose what s/he wants to show, if you think you can do better than your '5 min edit work', then do it. Don't post up a sub par work then comment it is due to a '5 min work'. Unless when you were editing it and you didn't notice then its a different story.

QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Sep 17 2011, 07:03 AM)
just sharing maybe you want to bring back the detail(lines) of the nose a bit too white smile.gif
but I like this picture kalau ade angin lebih hebat haha
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Sep 17 2011, 08:57 AM)
Its overexposed.. hmm.gif
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Agree, on my office monitor (not calibrated and also some old TN junk), the nose seems to be disappearing, her fingers too.
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post Sep 17 2011, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Sep 17 2011, 09:25 AM)
yeah its over exposed. direct sunlight from her right which falls partially on her nose and her left arm. i cud just dodge em up but i decide to leave it alone as its seen much much more natural powerful lighting on the lovely evening. if i considerr on the other half exposure, her right hand side will be super heavy shadow and its not match with our hepi hepi shooting theme biggrin.gif


Added on September 17, 2011, 9:31 am
i dont do seriously editing for sake of for fun editing. if for paying photo, its other story. for that photo, i was like "bosannye nk try plug in baru la" so i was click one, go see fb while loading, click two, go fb while loading, click three, go see fb while loading then adjust level, adjust skintone, puts one big white round brush on the above and crop. then wallaaahhhh its done. after all i did mention that my photo normally not more than 10min works. i dont do PP to much. i nubis in PP
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Well, then don't use '5 minutes editing' as an excuse ;-)
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post Sep 17 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Sep 17 2011, 02:01 PM)
I like the composition.
Now modern Nikon DSLRs are powerful in high ISO, my ancient DSLR IQ will look like rubbish if using ISO 3200.. cry.gif
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He is using D700 if not mistaken, its not yet the D3s tongue.gif. But yeah, sensor technology improved quite a bit, big leap since the introduction of D3/D700 and the D3s as the ultimate low light king.
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post Sep 17 2011, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 17 2011, 02:32 PM)
cant wait for new one , the D7000 also big leap right? tongue.gif
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Well... D70s --> D700, or D70s --> D7000 bigger leap? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 17 2011, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Sep 17 2011, 02:42 PM)
I think its one of the best dx camera out there wink.gif
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Yes, among Nikon DX sensors the D7000 has the best.
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post Sep 18 2011, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 17 2011, 02:45 PM)
duno when they will refresh leh...october? december? unsure.gif
now canon got swivel screen on 60D and 600D, duno next nikon will have or not...  icon_idea.gif
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Nikon have it on D5100. I don't think swivel LCD display is still good enough, especially on the pro bodies where weather sealing and all is required. Plus when you keep twisting the screen, how long will it actually last before giving way? Nikon must have taken these into account. The only body I know with weather sealing and all and have a swivel screen should be the Olympus E-3 type. But unfortunately my friend's E-3 screen went intermittent, probably due to loose connection to the LCD, sometimes color appears good, sometimes 1 channel is missing.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Sep 17 2011, 02:46 PM)
hey celciuz i was just wondering.. what does noise reduction mean,, I thought noise will appear when ISO is high but NR kicks in when theres long exposure.. could you clarify this for me? hehe thanks
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When doing a long exposure, the sensor will heat up. This will definitely introduce noise even when using base ISO (200 for most Nikon sensors, 100 for new sensors). So Nikon body will automatically attempt to reduce this via long exposure noise reduction.

QUOTE(a.ihsan @ Sep 17 2011, 02:59 PM)
I personally wouldn't like to see swivel screens on anything above D5100. the D7000 is almost a pro camera and it'd almost be laughable to have swivel screens on it or on its successor. for me the only Nikon cameras that should have swivel screens are the D5100/D3100, not anything above those two. just my opinion.
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Totally agree, the swivel display should only be implemented on entry bodies for beginners whose used to point and shoot. Imagine a D4 with swivel? Ew...

QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 17 2011, 06:59 PM)
guys, just sharing

This third party Nikon D7000 MB-D11 battery grip was sold as an original by Anatolian Bookstore Inc. (third party reseller on Amazon)


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Man, the grip looks real! I mean... if he didn't have another battery case to compare else would not have detected. But however, I was thinking due to the huge price differences, the material should be different? Hence the feel of the grip is different too. I have held friend's third party D700 grip, and its not magnesium alloy. Can feel it immediately, feels really plastic.

QUOTE(mmohdnor @ Sep 18 2011, 08:28 AM)
am i the only one using 16-85 here?  laugh.gif
I love my 16-85 for walkabout lens. My kitlens has been kept in the drybox since and i carry 16-85 & 35 f1.8G only when traveling. The AF speed, sharpness and accuracy of 16-85 is definitely a step up from the 18-55.
.... haha. I'm not saying to ditch 18-55 right away, I mean, u got it 'free' with ur first cam and it's pretty easily start with. But yeah, not many ppl use 16-85 I think. (bcoz of price?.. like celciuz said ppl will opt for Tamron 1750 VC, or the DX King, Nikkor 17-55 f/2.8.)

I tried the 18-200 and I like the 200mm range but I 'feel' a bit slow AF and less sharp across the focal range. Plus, I see lots of purple fringes on 18-200 and slightly more distortion at the wide angle.

But for my daily/casual usage, I don't shoot outdoor at that distance so much (@200mm).  blush.gif. So don't take my word on 18-200, 18-200 is a great lens too. Just that I prefer 16-85 more.
*my usage of 18-200 is by trying a friend's lens only ...so I didnt play with it so much okay!  rolleyes.gif.

**if 200mm, i better start saving for 70-200 f2.8 ..haha! ...nah. Not that rich anyway. Don't even hv FX body. LOL!


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Well well, 16-85 is a good lens. But it ain't cheap. 18-55 and 16-85 has a big differences in terms of pricing. 18-55 is pretty good as a kit lens for daily use already.
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post Sep 18 2011, 06:29 PM

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I would say go for the 55-300 VR smile.gif 18-55 is fine as your standard zoom. You need a telephoto with VR.

This post has been edited by celciuz: Sep 18 2011, 06:30 PM
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post Sep 18 2011, 09:38 PM

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D7000 vs D700, its a tough choice. Its like a 2010 Civic to a 2008 Accord? >_< Dunno kira upgrade or downgrade lols.
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post Sep 18 2011, 11:01 PM

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FX over DX's advantage (or sometimes disadvantage), DOF or rather known as bokeh.

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Cheryl, Semifinal by CY Pixels, on Flickr

Using the same lens and shooting the same magnification, it will be different since DX has to step further back.

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