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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !

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vearn27
post Aug 27 2011, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Aug 26 2011, 12:23 PM)
errr, my share of recomposition after lock, it takes experience, to actually uses it, in the past, F1.4 i recompose, sure out of focus, but today, i can do it and still maintaining sharp at the point i wanted to focus. i know this sound funny, but experience somehow let ur body automatically react to do things rite.
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Probably... skills and techniques mature as more and more practices on shooting along the time. By the way, which of the 39 points in D7000 are cross sensors? huh.gif

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Aug 27 2011, 01:28 PM)
The 35mm 1.8g is a dx lens
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No matter whether the lens is DX or FX.... putting the lens on a DX body will resultant in 1.5x of the lens focal length.

Therefore, 35mm DX lens on DX body will become 35mm x 1.5 = 52.5mm equivalent on FX.
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post Aug 28 2011, 01:06 AM

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Just tried out the bracketing function... D7000 equipped with 3aeb compared with 9aeb for the semi-pro bodies and above.

Well... I thought with one click and will capture 3 photos altogether. But it's only one per shutter sweat.gif

Or should I use CL (Continuous Low) to capture all 3 shots per single shutter click?

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post Sep 2 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 30 2011, 10:02 PM)
Once you taste the IQ of a prime lens, you will never go back to kit lens. Heck probably only the pro grade zoom lens will satisfy you tongue.gif.
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In my case, I still finds the 50mm f/1.8G more crispier than the 17-55 f/2.8.

QUOTE(onscreen @ Aug 31 2011, 10:45 AM)
Kit lens have its goodness while pro zoom lenses have its goodness too. Still, not all pro grade lenses are as portable as kit lens though. I have seen people carrying a 14-24mm on tour ended up complaining sore on their neck.

If you are a casual shooter, kit lens or mid range zoom lens are good enough.
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I just went for a trip during the 3 days holidays break and been carrying D7000 + BG + 17-55 and the SB900 in the bag all the time with me laugh.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Sep 1 2011, 02:13 PM)
ya but i see the username is sounds like a girl.
and then ya i better ask that lame question again to make sure no regret of a girl holding slightly big D5100  tongue.gif
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My gf however said the D7000 has better grip than the D5100 although she's thin. In addition, she said the D7000 weight just balance enough too.
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post Sep 2 2011, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 2 2011, 01:42 PM)
No idea, don't own those 2 lens.

But if talking about 85mm f/1.4G and 70200 VRII, I don't exactly see the differences in terms of image quality at f/2.8. Oh wait, I don't shoot at f/2.8 often on the prime anyways, its all about wide open biggrin.gif.
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Hmm... yet to test the quality comparison between 50mm f/1.8G and 17-55 f/2.8G shooting at 50mm f/2.8 altogether. Will test it out and post the result here when available smile.gif
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post Sep 2 2011, 05:38 PM

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Spotted a number of dark spots on the photo when I shoot at f/14, not visible at f/4. But weird enough that randomly at f/2.8 will be able to notice one or two spots.

Could it be the dust on the filter or the sensor? How should I clean it if it's sensor? Just blow inside?
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post Sep 2 2011, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 2 2011, 06:11 PM)
Easy to diagnose this vearn, close up to f/11 and 1 sec shutter and shoot a wall. Ur hands doesn't need to be stable, heck, u don't even have to focus. In fact the blurer the better. If it appears, you now then take another lens and repeat those steps. You know how to draw the conclusion from those 2 steps now, don't you?
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Yeah, I got it... but I only have one lens with me at the moment laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 4 2011, 04:40 PM)
everytime i use my 17-55, i wish it had extra reach cos sometimes lazy to take that extra 2 steps or so.
then i go to 17mm and realise its more needed, cos sometimes u got no place to step back.

now if only nikon would release a 17-70 f/2.8 tongue.gif
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Well, get 24-70 altogether in your belt for your preparation to FX tongue.gif
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post Sep 4 2011, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Sep 4 2011, 10:40 PM)
24-70 good stuff.
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I bought the 17-55 instead of 24-70. 17-55 is much needed for me now because I'm still on DX laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Sep 4 2011, 10:49 PM)
17-55 no VR, but still very very good lens

To cover 17-55 i rather use a 50mm prime and wide angle, 24-70 is good.
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24-70 has no VR as well. In fact if memory serves me right, Nikkor's lenses with aperture f/2.8 and larger has no VR such as 17-55 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8, 35 f/1.4, 85 f/1.4 respectively. Unless tele zoom lens such as 70-200 or smaller aperture such as 16-35 f/4 smile.gif

VR is not necessarily required for large aperture and short focal length lens.
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post Sep 4 2011, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:06 PM)
My point is, since a standard system will definitely include a wide angle lens, may as well, get 24-70 and 70-200 + prime, instead of getting 17-55. This apply to DX too.

17-55 is good, but for me, i rather spend that money for 24-70. But, if one have cash to burn, not a problem at all tho.

Since i no money to buy either, lets wait for 17-55, 24-70 VR, who knows they might release it soon.
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FYI, I have sold my kit lens 18-105 after I have gotten myself the 17-55. I would say 18-105 has no match against the 17-55 in all aspect except the further reach range unless you put in light weight as an advantage.

At times, I find myself the need of wide end at 17 or 18 on DX when I'm doing shooting for events (like Everdying mentioned too). That's my main concern in getting 17-55 instead of 24-70 because I need it and I'm foreseeing that I'll be on DX quite a while.

I would like to see 17-55 or 24-70 equipped with VR, but I doubt we will see it anytime soon. Initially I have doubt on handling 17-55 without VR as I'm used to VR on the kit lens, but that ain't the case as I expected smile.gif


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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 4 2011, 11:16 PM)
WHAT??? Nikkor 24-70 doesn't have VR? Wow, that's quite a ripoff then.. and after a quick check, neither does Canon's version of it.
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This has been debated before, in conclusion... short focal length + big aperture like f/2.8 not necessarily to be equipped with VR biggrin.gif

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post Sep 4 2011, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Sep 4 2011, 11:26 PM)
well, to clarify, 17-55 is very good lens, i use it before. Like it

But if budget limited, i would rather spend on 24-70 and get wide angle to cover the wider length.

17-55 is not wide enough, especially on DX. One will still need at least 10-24. So instead of getting 10-24, 17-55, 70-200 which is overlapping and missing the length between 56-69mm, i would rather get 10-24, 24-70, 70-200.

Just my opinion. for lens planning.
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I would love to get the 24-70 over the 17-55 previously, but lacking of the wide end will make me suffers especially in a tight area.

I don't know about you, but I find the 17 is sufficient for my need. No problem in covering group shots, but not talking about landscape.
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post Sep 4 2011, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 4 2011, 11:47 PM)
Well, you DO notice that even at f/2.8 you'd still hit 1/15s and ISO1600 at 70mm in a dim lit hall right?
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Then, that would be the time when flashgun to be brought out biggrin.gif
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post Sep 5 2011, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 4 2011, 11:55 PM)
What if it's on-stage lighting? Flash is more or less an ambient killer..
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Given if stage situation, using 17-55 or 24-70 will be relatively lack of reach. I bet these two lenses aren't mean for those. If that's the case, the 70-200 VR will be much more suitable.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 4 2011, 11:59 PM)
and lose out on the 'free' telephoto range of DX? nah.
what would be nice tho is if the upcoming D400 has the same viewfinder design like the D2x / FX models, but with full and nice 100% view.

i think 17-55 is going to be my one and only regular zoom lens for awhile.
now waiting for nikon to release 100-300 f/4 tongue.gif
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Isn't the D7000 already equipped with 100% viewfinder? In long run, I hope to reach FX and keep the DX as my backup laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 5 2011, 12:16 AM)
Not if when you are at the photographer's pit...
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Yet to experience such situation... but... given that kind of situation where you'll hit 1/15 even at f/2.8, I bet you'll have problem focusing too.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 5 2011, 12:20 AM)
yea, but its rectangle viewfinder.
D2x even tho DX has a nice round viewfinder.
would also take those eye cup addons nicely that ppl like to put on D90 / D7000 without causing vignetting thru the viewfinder.
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Round viewfinder? blink.gif

FX has different type of viewfinder? I do not know at all laugh.gif

Googled. Yeah, D700 has a round type viewfinder. Any advantage over rectangle type?

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post Sep 5 2011, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 5 2011, 12:36 AM)
nope.. not unless you know where to look for a place for your lens to lock focus to. Here, let me give an example

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

sorry size a bit big

f/7.1, 1/30s, ISO800 (the highest I dare push on my old A100), 70mm, no flash...

I could push the f-number a bit lower, but my old sigma 24-70 wasnt that good at smaller apertures, so yeah...
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Apologize in advance if I'm wrong, given at f/2.8 ~ f/4, with that kind of lighting should be able to hit at least 1/60 at ISO800 ~ ISO1600, isn't?


Added on September 5, 2011, 12:47 am
QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 5 2011, 12:45 AM)
umm, doesnt the A100 have in-built image stabilization?
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All Sony's DSLR equipped with SSS (Super Steady Shot) if I'm not wrong.

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post Sep 5 2011, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Sep 5 2011, 12:47 AM)
yes it does, so technically, it stabilizes all lenses, my 24-70 included... notice why i didnt mention sony in the comparison?

but yeah, my point was made moot with my own image, but it still stand if we're just talking about finding for a place to lock focus on even at dim/dark (in this case, backlighted) situations as i was telling vearn about.. biggrin.gif


Added on September 5, 2011, 12:50 am

yeah, i know where you're getting at, if i used f/2.8, that'd be 2 2/3 stops brighter and the shutter would be at 1/200s, but I was referring to your question on focus lock


Added on September 5, 2011, 12:55 am

and if you also think a bit deeper, 70-200 f/2.8... hmmmm... no VR? IS? hmmmm.... hmm.gif
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Never has experience with that kind of stage light yet, but couple of times I back focused when against a subject with bright backlit sweat.gif

Well, only short focal length with f/2.8 from Nikon has no VR while the tele lens such as 70-200 has it.
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post Sep 5 2011, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 5 2011, 01:15 AM)
forgot about the 80-200? tongue.gif
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Anyway, do you think Nikon will refresh 17-55 with N coat? blink.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 5 2011, 02:27 AM)

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doubt they ever will, since 17-55 not really selling that well as everyone is saying buy 24-70 cos everyone thinks they're going to upgrade to FX anytime in the near future...
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It may poke my heart if they refreshed the 17-55 since I just got mine not long ago biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 5 2011, 02:32 AM)
umm i know sigma already has one, i almost bought one.
but sigma != nikon.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 5 2011, 02:29 AM)
80-200mm f/2.8 old?  icon_question.gif
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http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-history.htm

Superseded by 70-200 VR2, not consider "old" already meh? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Sep 5 2011, 07:06 AM)
Yup, the round viewfinder makes it easy(easier) for the eyes to rest and it cuts off 'more' ambient light. Just my 2cents after using it..
Shashinki is selling the set for rm150 it comes in 3 stages of device..
I don't know about landscape but for wedding/events then the fast f2.8 sure comes in handy
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The mentioned can be attached on D7000 too without vignetting? What are the combo required? huh.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Sep 5 2011, 06:36 PM)
I broke the hood lol. Actually still useable, just eye sore tongue.gif
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Ouch... how you broke it?

QUOTE(gnome @ Sep 5 2011, 09:40 PM)
As usual first lens people will buy after getting the kit is 50mm...next will be zoom lens, most probably 55-200 or 70-300mm. If he/she decides to buy another lens after that he will probably feels the body limitation by then so its time to upgrade body laugh.gif

Well from my pov anyways tongue.gif
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I skipped 50 and went for 17-55 from 18-105 coz waiting for the new 50 to be launched laugh.gif

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