Anyone one know how much is the charges for con-seal piping "copper and drain pipe?

I am looking for 1hp, 1.5hp, and 2hp piping.

Good question, I m asking the same as well.
Got quoted by one aircon guy.
Rm120 for chemical wash. I move 2 aircon
1hp cost me 1k -both about 30 ft.. Damn expensive.
Going for another quote.

standard pricing as below, price base on 10feet length.

1hp: RM180~220
1.5hp: RM200~240
2hp: RM230~270

advise to find those contractor who having shop and not those driving around with small lorry. Pay little bit more one shot only but wil get better quality and service. Try TJ Glomac Mr Jye 016 213 3767 he is very professional

For conseal normally is charge by per feet. need to know for 1HP, 1.5HP, and 2HP. Both Inverter and Non-inverter.

Mine one is non inverter type. Old aircon
Left by previous owner. Need to move the
location, say 15 ft each. Reasonably it should
cost me rm300 each, all in right?
Will try tj coz my hse in Puchong

Normally the contractor will visit the site first before they give an more accurate quote. Else, there could be arguments later.
I have been quoted RM 300 for conceal air con piping up to 1.5HP for length of 20'. This involves a lot of hacking work. This is for non inverter.

For inverter will be much higher because of the min thickness of the copper piping and additional control wire.

Those prices above are just for hacking & installing the conceal piping.

Doesn't include plastering & repainting.

nope

don't think you will accept the plastering quality from the air con workers

quoted RM15 per feet..

inverter and non-inverter piping is different?

Yes, is thicker.

My friend told me to diy, need to find where to buy the a/c piping just lay the cable + piping (input and output)+ the black polymer cover for both the pipe. Is cheaper, but need time.

Still waiting for quote.

Depend on the brand and the gas they use. It is not about the inverter.

If that brand use normal gas r22 but inverter, the piping is normal only. While if that brand use r410 gas but inverter, than the pipe is bigger.

I was being charge RM450 for 1.5, for just about 10~15 feet (really conceal), after that, it is reading balcony and the pipe has to show uo...i think.. this is expensive...

If it is for inverter, then should reasonable. There are additional control wire from the compressor to the blower unit for inverter A/C

My living aircond to balcony compressor may need around 20 feet too.
For 1.5HP non inverter, they charge 400 for conceal copper pipe(8 feet conceal only), the balance copper pipe is not conceal to balcony.
I din buy aircond yet means no free 10 feet copper pipe, so they will charge me total 20 feet copper pipe.
400 consider reasonable?

This post has been edited by wrb7878: Jul 2 2011, 10:03 PM

It is not inverter...

Very close to my price...

Sometimes, the charges may be a bit different depending on the site condition. Landed property or condo?
In the balcony, can use the PVC trunking. This copper piping can be hidden inside the trunking.
The trunking painted the same colour as the wall. Looks nice...

Have you tried asking your aircon supplier to quote you for the piping? At least you have a comparison.

Kelvyn, I think ur quote is quite cheap.
Crap, the fellow charge me 1k for moving 2 aircon.
Must get another quote...
Another headache is termite treatment..aiks

1k to relocate 2 aircon is damn expensive. Have you tried asking
those electrical shops that are sell aircon to quote you?
Maybe it include cleaning and pumping in gas for the aircon as well?

Anyway, for easy of mind, better to get another 1 or 2 quotes.

i did one 2hp (non-inverter) cost rm450 include well conseal job done by my contractor.

total abt 15ft in my double terrace house, copper pipe start from living hall's wall till go up above plaster ceiling, then throught a drilled hole to above car porch ceiling and roof tile.

include replace 1 pc of car porch ceiling w/o paint + pvc sealing for the roof tile.

while the conseal water pipe go down along the living wall -> through a drilled hole of the front wall -> fencing wall -> drain.

i think it is worth because a lot things need to do.

This post has been edited by papaya2: Jul 2 2011, 11:09 PM

You got the contact?

I'm done me with RM1800 for 6 a/c
If not mistake 4 unit within 15 feet, another 2 should around 20 feets

Please refer to
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...2083&hl=AIRCORN

Last time my inverter aircon con seal installation is about your price too. The work is same. I guess the price is reasonable.

Not too bad, i need 2HP conseal, 2x 1hp conseal, and 1.5hp - inverter conseal, rest are back to back.

Got the contact?

which area are you in? Klang.V or ?

Subang

Mine is condo.
The RM400 is quote by ID company(i believe they sub to aircond guy), this is included conceal <10 feet for internal wall, and external wall <20 feet with PVC WHITE trunking(this is condo management required all exposed cable and pipe). This ID company have done many renovation at my condo, so the rm400 is final amount without any hidden cost. But i din give them any renovation job, so i did not ask them to do copper pipe.

Then the rm400 is included cover and touch up the hacking part, maybe they give free touch up if we give them the renovation project.
Means if i find outside aircond guy, the price should be within this amt, cant too far rite?

So now i have ask 1 aircond guy come to my places, they also cant give me actual cost as well. His just ask me to trust him, he say he will quote me the actual copper pipe length. but i did tell him whether can done within 400, he say impossible ..bla bla...he use the good copper pipe la, pvc trunking expensive la... good material la....

I will visit the jintex tis week, the price for 1.5HP panasonic econavi around rm1400 and add up 150 for installation included the 10 feet copper pipe.
In this case i think rm400 should able to cover the hacking, extra 20 feet copper pipe and pvc trucking cost?

Can be more specific which type of air conditioner?

Mine - Piping only

2HP 17ft - Inverter - RM518

1.5HP 20ft - Inverter - RM540 x(I might downgrade this from 1.5hp to 1.0hp; price not sure, maybe slightly cheaper)

1.5HP 12ft - Inverter - RM364

This post has been edited by kh8668: Nov 1 2011, 11:23 PM

My pricing is based on inverter a/c piping, concealing and plastering:
1. 1HP Split A/C - RM18.00
2. 1.5HP Split A/C - RM20.00
3. 2HP Split A/C - RM22.00

IF non inverter, I think is RM2 - 3 lesser than the inverter. He also gave a round up discounts on A/C installation (price below RM90 per unit, regardless of the HP).

The prices are not including the hacking and concealing jobs? Then it would mean those are installation charges for the air conditioner alone.


U serious? Even the price are in the rate of per ft., it's still insanely cheap. Maybe U have to add in 1 more zero before the 1st decimal point for all the prices above.

Sorry, the pricing is based on per feet.
1. 1HP Split A/C - RM18.00 per ft
2. 1.5HP Split A/C - RM20.00 per ft
3. 2HP Split A/C - RM22.00 per ft

SHould got minimun distance before get into ++ rights?
Is the conceal too?

Mine total 3k (or was it 3.5k) Not sure yet Contractor yet to collect money from me. Already install nearly 3 months. But yet to install a/c. Price include of installation of A/C. 4 units of std 1hp, 1 unit std 2hp, and 1 unit 1.5hp inverter.

All conceal. think is around RM 400 - 600 per a/c for conceal for normal double story house.

Yes, it's conceal and the contractor plastered as well. I didn't know whether there is any minimum distance, but I just got quoted on the spot. Took him 2 days to complete the job.

I would say the rates are cheap consider those are the rates for air conditioners running on R410A refrigerent. How the quality of the job done?

Hacking and Concealing the pipes only

I suggest that we post the prices like this for comparison

A) "Air Cond brand" + non inverter type

Installation Cost (inclusive 10 feet piping -copper & water)

0.5HP = RM XXX
1.0HP = RM XXX
1.5HP = RM XXX
2.0HP = RM XXX
2.5HP = RM XXX


Piping Cost for Copper & Water

0.5HP = RM XXX/feet
1.0HP = RM XXX/feet
1.5HP = RM XXX/feet
2.0HP = RM XXX/feet
2.5HP = RM XXX/feet


B) "Air Cond brand" + inverter type

Installation Cost (inclusive 10 feet piping -copper & water)

0.5HP = RM XXX
1.0HP = RM XXX
1.5HP = RM XXX
2.0HP = RM XXX
2.5HP = RM XXX


Piping Cost for Copper & Water

0.5HP = RM XXX/feet
1.0HP = RM XXX/feet
1.5HP = RM XXX/feet
2.0HP = RM XXX/feet
2.5HP = RM XXX/feet


Can ah??

This post has been edited by phoenix69: Nov 2 2011, 06:22 PM

But since the topic is "Conseal A/C piping cost piping", I think it's would more appropriate if V only post the per ft. price on the hacking and concealing price rather than air conditioner installation charges.

This post has been edited by J1@l_ l_l l\l: Nov 2 2011, 07:02 PM

Just installed my airconds today. Unfortunately, didn't think about concealing the condensation pipe, so it's just running down the side of the wall now. Ah well.

It's for aesthetic purpose only. Not sure whether the trunking of Ur air conditioner can be wrapped in PCV and painted in the same colour as the wall, if it's possible, then at least it would look nicer.

This post has been edited by J1@l_ l_l l\l: Nov 2 2011, 07:06 PM

Any conceal piping is charge by lump sum or per foot run. It won't deduct from standard installation.

I was thinking of getting a contractor to hack the wall prior to the installation of the air conditioner by another air conditioner contractor since the 1st contractor might not a expertise of air conditioner and the concealing works of the air conditioner contractor might not be good.

The workmanship is fine, noticed all the pipe was directed to the gutter. No complaints on the plastering job as well.

My contractor proposed a lump sum inclusive the air-cond installation. I did 7 rooms, and the cost is RM2.1++K, and then installed 4 a/c ( 1 unit of 2HP Non-Inverter, 1 unit of 1.5HP Inverter and 2 units of 1HP Inverter), he lumped it at RM2.5K for everything.

Any diffrence between the price for concealed piping and non concealed piping??

Lots of difference.

Just imaging your see a Big Black cable and a PVC piple on your wall if only option is throguh the wall (back is not open area).
Than you will do it


Nope. You should ask the aircon folk to hack and do all the aircon piping work, which they are the expert of it. Once they do all the piping, they will do simple cement work. You than ask can ask you main con to do proper cement and plaster work (pay extra).
Just take note and plan if you have plaster ceiling included what the gap from ceiling and plaster (5 - 9 inch).

This post has been edited by Jo_da48: Nov 3 2011, 02:12 PM

Any idea how much per feet?? My reno delayed now because of this

I would say put RM 500 per point +- 100. That come out to be about what i am paying for. Anything less you be happy

What a good suggestion. Will consider Ur suggestion. Thanks.

Per point?

this price reli cheap...include installation charges, hacking?

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Added on November 3, 2011, 10:22 pmjuz got a quote:
1hp copper pipe wiring - rm12 per ft
1.5hp copper pipe wiring - rm18 per ft
hacking and conceal water pipe - rm200 per point , no plastering
not include installation charges yet..

This post has been edited by Ahwei81: Nov 3 2011, 10:22 PM

That work out to be around RM 500 for a 1hp with 15 feet distance.

means the quote is reasonable?

Maybe ask few more and compare. I got 2 quote for comparison, and price are very close.

Maybe also ask IF the install of new aircon how much will it be ...., than may get cheaper too
WIN-WIN

Ok guys, here is my final story regarding this matter:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...340&p=46476561&

tumpang topic a bit.

i plan to install full height built-in wardrobe but the air con piping in on the same wall. can i install the air con on the built in wardrobe?

This was the quote i got from my air-cond guy.

1. Living Room area - Type: 2hp / Standard : RM1,150.00
2. Dining Hall area - Type: 1.5hp / Standard : RM800.00
3. Kitchen area - Type: 1.0hp / Standard : RM550.00
4. Ground Floor guest room - Type: 1.0hp / Standard : RM450.00
5. Master Bedroom - Type: 1.5hp / Inverter : RM750
6. First Floor guest rooms - Type 1.0hp / Inverter : RM450 x 2 rooms = RM900.00


All the work is for concealed water and copper pipes with installation placement of the compressors at the rear rooftop of the house. I don't have the exact length but i know its very far especially from living room to back of the house.


For supply and installation of air-cond units, the price is as follows.

Panasonic 1.0hp / Standard : RM980.00
Panasonic 1.5hp / Standard : RM1,300.00
Panasonic 2.0hp / Standard : RM2,000.00

Panasonic 1.5hp / Inverter : RM1,650.00
Panasonic 1.0hp / Inverter : RM1,350.00

Most of my friends have used this guys to install their air-cond units over the years and he's been quite reliable. Not too sure how the quality of his plastering work is as no one has used him to plaster their walls completely before. He mentioned that the price for the supply and installation of the air-cond units changes depending on the current price he orders the units at that point in time.

Hope that helps.

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Added on November 4, 2011, 12:53 pmBetter not, in case of condensation and leaks. If that happens your wardrobe is as good as gone from water damage.


This post has been edited by adrianjc: Nov 4 2011, 12:53 PM

A/C visit SS2 Legend, it give good price.

I used to go to SS2 Legend quite regularly in the past but i feel that their service and discounts nowadays is not as good as before they got so big.

For centralized water heater was quoted RM60 less than Legend's quote from another supplier for the same product.

I think it depend who you talk too. The storage water heater i ask the price of Joven "for fun" (it actually match with our beloved seller here)

Does Ur wardrobe have door(s)? If yes, meaning when U ON the air conditioner, the door(s) of Ur wardrobe has to be opened right? Otherwise it's only Ur clothings in the wardrobe are being cooled by the air conditioner

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Added on November 18, 2011, 1:29 pmFYI, rate of pipings for R410A (DC compressor type) is typically more expensive than R22 (typical AC compressor type).

I was quoted RM15/ft and RM18/ft for 1HP R410A and 1.5HP R410A respectively for hacking of the wall and installation of pipings, concealing work is not included as most air conditioner contractors are not expertise in doing concrete concealing work.

This post has been edited by J1@l_ l_l l\l: Nov 18 2011, 01:29 PM

hi,

can someone advise if this quotation is reasonable?

LIVING AREA
- Relocate 2.5h/p copper piping - backyard to 1F external 300

DINING AREA
- Conceal 1h/p normal copper piping with drain pipe 360
- Conceal 1h/p 0.61mm copper piping with drain pipe for PANASONIC inverter only 460
- Conceal 1h/p 0.71mm copper piping with drain pipe for all brand inverter 550

1F
- Relocate 1h/p copper piping with drain pipe for bedroom 1 & 2 200
- Relocate 2h/p copper piping with drain pipe for master bedroom 250

2F - MASTER2
- Conceal 1.5h/p normal copper piping with drain pipe 440
- Conceal 1.5h/p 0.61mm copper piping with drain pipe for PANASONIC inverter only 540
- Conceal 1.5h/p 0.71mm copper piping with drain pipe for all brand inverter 630


this is excl. air con installation.

thanks.

Whats the total Foot Run which needs to be concealed per item?

the a/c man did not state in the quotation

May i know what happens if you find that there is moisture / water stain on the wall where the conseal piping is located?
Is this normal?

or any where to conseal the leakage / moisture without hacking?

Thanks

yes, i am also curious and wanted to know. anyone has this experience and mind to share? tks

Hack and seal the leak. That is the best. If not the moisture will build up slowly up to the floor. If this A/C are use frequent.

This should not happen. Conceal will have no moisture unless is leaking water

If I buy aircon from electrical shop and let their aircon contractor do the conceal piping, is it cheaper than finding my own aircon contractor?

All I know is if we let the electrical shop's contractor do, definitely got free 10 ft copper piping.

If you put your hand on the wall where the water pipe is, you can feel it cooler than others wall. That is how the wall get moisture. Specially if the conceal pipe is just at the wall surface. Not deep enough.

I got to use primer paint to paint first. Than apply the actual paint. If not, the paint will fade away.

Depends on your luck. Outside contractor and the ones nominated by the electrical shop should be around the same. They are both outsiders, no link with the electrical shop.

But I will prefer the guy doing the installation be the same one that I will call to service the air cond in the future.
Anything wrong, you point finger at him, he has less excuse.

Ya ho..

Serious, that paint wil fade away?

Yes. Very obvious. Cause at first I just use maxilite white as undercoat. Than ici pentalite ontop of it.

Ops...too later on this info now...less see what the outcome after use...

No worry. This thing can be solve easily.

My master bedroom drain pipe was wrapped with the black thingy (ah, forgot what it called), same things it use for the copper. You can do that on the drain pipe. I only notice it last week. For the other area did not notice, but I don't feel cold on the wall with piping when we test the a/c for few hours. Maybe because it was conceal deep.

It call insulation that prevent hot or cold from escape. My pvc drain pipe don't have this kind of wrap. I believe many didn't do that too. The aircon side short drain pipe should have this insulation.

i was quoted as below:

Inverter (piping and drain pipe approx. 16 ft according to the contractor)
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1.0 hp = RM350
1.5 hp = RM410
2.0 hp = RM480

for living hall and master bedroom. Compressor both unit at balcony range. each side 1. not sure good deal anot? exclude plastering and installation charges.

This post has been edited by KIntos: Dec 19 2011, 01:01 PM

exclude plastering mean not concealed?

my contractor quote me 1hp 550, 1.5hp ...630. this is for all type of inverter.
if panasonic inverter -90 bucks for each job.

hi guys,

any possibility the conceal copper piping leak?

My bedroom 1HP ac is not cold after 2-3 weeks pump in the coolant gas.
Ask the Pana service men come check, they keep say it could be the piping leak... Is that normally for new AC set their condenser/compressor piping wont leak?

How to detect the conceal piping leak?

I have installed 7 sets of concealed piping.
Due to Budget not enuff, only getting 3 Air Cond.
The balance air cond piping not used will have ugly piping and wires dangling from the wall.
Any way or products that can cover these up ah??

Best is leave it as it is. Bending the copper pipe few time will damage it. I had this problem where one pipe was near the floor (outdoor), it was move few time for painting and cleaning. End up I have to cut entire pipe hack bit and resolder a new pipe because it was bend too bad.

Decorate it with some leaf and flower.

Pressure test @ 300psi, got result in 30 minutes

Make sure your outdoor A/C pipe is facing downward, or have a plastic bag cover it. The black thermal wrap can guide water into your room / living room (Copper pipe can too if its not seal). This happen to me when the a/c was not install. My floor in living room and bed room above the a/c pipe was wet. Scare the hell out of me, initially though it was roof leaking. Later found out the a/c pipe guide the rain water in. I cover it with plastic bag, problem solve...

got this price from legend ss2 installer

hacking work
1.0hp 15ft
1.5hp 20ft
pvc casing

rm800

it think its too expensive?

Hi all

When concealing, is it a good practice to keep the copper pipe and electrical cable apart from each other ?

Usually they will put together with the big pipe, I don't it will have any problem.

1 thing I don't understand is, for old practice, I see they separate the return hot gas copper pipe from the insulate cold gas copper pipe. For logic, it is correct way.

But nowaday, the hot and the cold copper pipe is insulate together. The hot gas pipe is insulate for what? It should disipate the heat out not to insulate the heat. I try to ask them, but can't give me the answer.

I have heard from someone that it is best practice to separate the electrical wire from the copper pipe.

Thus it is better to have two separate tracks instead of one. Nevertheless all the contractors are putting all of them together of the same track.

Guys,
My new condo already have the A/C piping in place, done by my contractor. This include all the conceal & plastering work.
Now, the question is, if i buy the aircond, can i get cheaper installation charge? because normally, the installation cost will include some minimal piping e.g 10 feet.
Normally they said the 10 ft piping is free that come with the installation.