Because of UI stuff.
If the OS use command prompt to navigate the OS I'm sure the size will be much smaller.

Need to wait till Elop kick bucket

Nokia willnot produce anymore MeeGo device AS LONG AS Elop in charge of Nokia

So if you want to see another MeeGo device from Nokia you have to buy Nokia shares,become it's majority stock holder & kick Elop out.
Another way is make public demo asking current Nokia shareholders to sack Elop.

But just to remind you again,Nokia have signed legally bind deal with Microsoft to produce Nokia WP7 devices.Means if the management want to quit from this deal it'll take huge amount of money to terminate this deal.Also I'm pretty sure Microsoft's Harvard powered lawyers won't just sit around & do nothing to prevent Nokia from escaping from Microsoft clutches.
Also since a number of important employees working on MeeGo device already quit,it'll be harder to turning back to MeeGo.

From my understanding you can obtain the dev kit (Nokia N950) with 2 ways.

As commercial developer:
You need to show your working app to Nokia & ask for the dev kit.Whether they give the dev kit depends on how useful your app & whether it's commercially viable.There are also several other conditions.

As independent developer:
You can develop your own app or contribute ideas on how to improve the OS functions.
Initially when Nokia give the 1st 250 dev kit you can just pitch in the rough sketch of your app idea.But to obtain the current extra 50 dev kit you need to show a working app.It can buggy as hell but it should be executable & run basic functions it was programmed.
If you want to contribute to improve the OS I suggest you to make a team & work on a idea.For example MuhammadAG,joerg & few others are working on adding USB OTG function on N950/N9 & they were given N950.You can think of some other ideas.

http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Com...xtended_Program
These are some ideas submitted.You can also read on the info on how to obtain the dev kit from the link.

If you have good app or ideas do inform me.I'll try to help you contacting relevant parties.

Good luck & I hope to see a N950 running loose in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by super_evil_alien: Aug 9 2011, 12:55 PM

IF N9 sells well (I doubt there will be high volume of sale) Nokia Board might pressure Elop to produce 1-2 more MeeGo device to "test water"

Oh really? Should invite him to post here..I love to hear a Malaysian comment on N950.

Well,if the price is right I'll buy N950 without warranty too.

It can.N9 has build in joikuspot(wifi hotspot app)

Every phone got complaints.Including SGS II.

^Start a thread about this in Maemo Talk & you'll have 2 groups of repliers.

One group's point:
In order for the MeeGo to survive N9 must be successful with it's OWN OS.
So people should not port Android for N9.

Another group's point:
Let's make N9 as advanced N900.Hack the hell out this device since we know this won't be commercially successful.

Actually it's not that simple.There are some "parts" from MeeGo used in MeeGo Harmattan.But the idea is to use this as transition OS for the proper MeeGo.

Hacking...True but we do put effort to make our device work like smartphone & at same time do things that other smartphone can't do.

Maybe I should clarify on the "running like desktop" part
As you know Maemo has poor developer support so there were few apps to be run in the device.So someone thought since Maemo was derived from debian why not just port the the desktop debian apps to Maemo?
The stopgap plan because too much fun that everyone keep porting more & more desktop apps for Maemo.
All regular Maemo nerd try to make their N900 as their mobile desktop.

Problem with Nokia is it's always been Symbian,Symbian & Symbian.
Only when it became desperate Nokia turned to Maemo/MeeGo but even that plan was planned half bakedly.

If Nokia selling N9 for RM2.5K (no matter it's 16/64GB) it's better for Elop to take back all the N9 & play jenga with it.
Even Samsung SGS II which has the better hardware & higher cost selling for RM1.9K-RM2.1K

Eerr...
What do you mean by Samsung don't have better physical hardware?
Comparing Nokia & Samsung's highest end device,SGS II beat the crap out N9 in hardware section.Both using plastic case also(polycarbonate is still a plastic).
64GB NAND memory could be expensive but I doubt it'll make cost of N9 that much expensive.iPod Touch 4 have 64GB variant & the price of it still ok (for Apple's standard)

N9 have 64GB memory but that's it.The memory cannot be expanded because the lack of microSD slot.
Some Android devices have 16/32GB build in memory & supports sup to 32GB microSD memory.
More or less same as 64GB memory like N9.

Frankly speaking Elop have screwed MeeGo & N9 kaw kaw.I don't see much point on the reason N9 should even be released if Nokia don't intent to build on MeeGo success so far.

P/S:I'm not Samsung's fanboy

This post has been edited by super_evil_alien: Sep 5 2011, 09:16 AM

Dig up early N8 thread.You'll know how good Nokia's track record at that time.

Let's talk other brands vs Nokia mobile phone reliability

I do agree that in the past during the dumbphone era Nokia's phones certainty had the edge over the other brand phones in term of reliability.1 of the best example is Nokia 3310.You can throw the phone to the ground,use it under abusive condition & in most of case it'll still work.
However we're past the dumbphone era.Comparing different manufacturers flagship device I'll say most of the company except Apple have more or less same reliably record.Nokia's N97,N8 and few other phones did suffer from reliability issues.
Smartphones nowdays are more or less like computers.After certain time CPU will wear out (faster when OC-ed),Li-On battery discharge fast,dead pixels etc2.All phones will have this issues.
Most of the manufacturers do have a strict QC nowdays which produce high quality & durable devices.But it remains a fact there are "variable" during the manufacturing & some device from same product family might have slightly lower quality.But the ratio of good & defective product are usually very large.

IMHO Apple has the best reliably record for now.

As long time custom PC user I believe the only way to bypass this defective issue is by introducing customizable smartphones.Means users can swap/upgrade CPU/RAM/NAN Memory etc2 if any of the part is defective.
Kinda interesting idea isn't it? Users can probably use a single phone for several years if this implemented.The cost is definitely lower compared to buying new phone every now & then.

N9 is expensive just probably because Nokia want potential users to feel like N9 is the best premium phone out there.
IMO it's good phone but not the best choice of premium device from the company.Why? Because Nokia have pretty much screwed MeeGo.They can choose whatever beautiful word from dictionary but it's fact MeeGo is pretty much dead in Nokia (well at least till Elop remain there).Why should people spend hard earned RM1.5K+ for a phone with an uncertain future?

Try using N900 as single phone for a long time & you'll know some of the limitation that comes with mobile OS that have limited support.
Afaik N9 will eventually suffer the same fate.It's a well known strategy to produce & market a new device as much as possible so it'll receive god reception & eventually good developers support.
But Nokia decided to do the opposite.Words cannot describe how fail this strategy is.

Android devices can be sold at slightly lower price because Google don't charge distribution charge for the manufacturers.
Just because a device is cheap don't think it's a mediocre device.

Too bad I cannot attend the MeeGo Malaysia meeting.Else I would have asked some "spicy" question for the Nokia reps attending the meeting.

Some people asked me why am I moving to green robot camp after defending Maemo/MeeGo for a long time
I still defend Maemo/MeeGo.It's just Nokia screwed the OS future as I said before.Since Green robot is the closest thing to Maemo/MeeGo I got no choice but move to it.
But trust me,it's not all sunshine & roses in green robot camp.

Trouble is Nokia already pissed off number of Maemo users.Some of major contributer already left to join Green Robot team.
Giving away 300 N950 is good move but I don't think all the independent developers can produce a real useful applications.From what I see from the N950 project list those who are working on core OS enhancement have good ideas but the apps developers, not so much.

CSSU team will have field day if Nokia release the full source code.There are bunch of things can improved.Especially proper phone functions.

Blame Apple for current app centric mobile OS

Porting should be easy but the million dollar question is why would any developer waste resource for a OS even the manufacturer don't have confidence with?

Maemo/MeeGo don't need whatsapp.It has build in IM application.Just connect to internet & you'll be automatically connected to all your IM & facebook account.
IMHO this is better because IM's are supported cross platform & there are bunch of applications for IM's.Maemo & MeeGo device are probably some of the rare device with this kind of IM integration.

Intel won't back down from MeeGo that fast.
Most probably on hold till their medfield/moorestown SOC is complete.

Problem with Dalvik is the program need to be integrated to the OS.Probably to the kernel level.
Myriad rep said that Nokia themselves has to integrate Dalvik in MeeGo.

Inferior hardware is again result of Elop's idiocy.N950 is scrapped 1st MeeGo device.For sure Elop could have instruct the smartphone devision to pack a better hardware for N9 after that.But to avoid N9 packing too much punch & at same time to save the good "stuff" for WP7 device he probably told the MeeGo team to use whatever scrap hardware available in Nokia warehouse.

Again I'll say that Elop is an idiot.

Aahh.... The brilliant Nokia strategy...
Limiting the sales for the well received product & advertising devices that not exist yet.

N900 can run MeeGo tablet version

Remember,not every game designed to run in 1.2GHz dual core processor.
In fact majority of games don't even take advantage the extra cores in the processor.I think N9 can still run majority of androids high end games.

About the IM blame other OS owners for not integrating "FREE" IM & making people rely on paid messaging app which essentially doing the stuff done by bunch of free apps.

I already said this before,it's very unlikely that Nokia will return for MeeGo as primary OS.
Majority of the talents working on MeeGo already left & it'll be financially bad for Nokia to terminate existing contract with Microsoft.
It's well known that Microsoft dislike open source.Even after the publicity stunt during linux birthday recently.
They will try to force Nokia to use only their OS for high end product.
With balless CEO like Elop Nokia will just nod to whatever Microsoft said after this.

MeeGo Harmattan sort of combine the best of both iOS & Android.And it's well received by almost everyone.
But even a good OS without proper support won't attract people to buy it.Also N9 will be released in limited countries with limited number & this will further drive people away from N9.
I think Nokia(well at least Elop) & Microsoft can feel pretty much safe that Nokia's WP7 will beat N9's sale.

I remember one of the American user comment:
"Lot's of people say Windows Phone 7 OS is nice but then why is Microsoft/manufacturers having hard time selling WP7 devices?
Seems like a dog turd wrapped with ribbon can make better sale than WP7's sale"

Source?

Nevermind,found it myself : http://www.soyacincau.com/2011/09/13/offic...ng-from-rm1799/

Any chance of me getting N9 for review/test or for free?

This post has been edited by super_evil_alien: Sep 13 2011, 01:02 PM

Yeah,and I'm waiting sun to rise from west

Naturally Finland will be the 1st country to get N9.
But good of finding any AP set from Finland in Malaysia.N9 already have limited stock & I doubt there'll be much AP sets around.