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 Mechanical Keyboard Club V3, For Gamers and Typist Enthusiasts

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post Sep 2 2011, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 2 2011, 12:35 PM)
So far, i do own filco, ducky and one old IBM kb. i don't sense much different in stabilizers issue on spacebar or enter. erm, well this might be personal flavor?

There's no doubt overall quality is better for Filco over Ducky. But you can't make a statement that looks like only Ducky fails. I just google with some keywords "filco keyboard failed" and what? Tadaa~ there are cases too! smile.gif

You must be very unlucky for that Ducky unit. feel sorry for your case(s).  rclxub.gif But you're in Singapore, i cant do much help here.

anyhow, here is Malaysia, not Singapore... Local Filco selling not cheap here. but yes Leopold is cheaper which offered by Bro Cyclonechua (good job lads biggrin.gif)
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FILCO stabillizers are the type that you get on rubber domes. Press a shift key, it springs right back up. Definitely a personal preference.

Every keyboard will also have issues, depends on how unlucky your are.
What blue keyboard failed its 'Alt' keys?
Even steelseries has got loose keys.
As to razer, that depends on how lucky you are.
My Realforce pings but I'm not too bothered by it since it pings on the 'Home' key.
The previous Ducky I've owned Pinged.
My IBM pings like a beach

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Sep 2 2011, 01:42 PM
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 2 2011, 01:33 PM)
It matter alot especially when you are paying so much for a keyboard.
Some grease should solve your squeaky sound.
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This is the "Ping of Death" which can happen to all mechanical keyboards. Some people hear it, most people don't.


I have a Filco that have a key that pings but I can only hear the pinging if I put my ear 5cm away and typing on it unnaturally.
There's a "War On Ping" or "Ping Of War" going on at geekhack.

Source: Link
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Thanks for the solution for the squeaky sound. smile.gif

As for the pinging, i heard it, but what matter is, does it has any downside?
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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 2 2011, 01:12 PM)
Yes, Filco indeed do have some cases too but most are not due to QC.
The Filco failures are mostly due to user error(spillage) and recently "Ping of Death"

Note that Filco have been around of a long time and don't have as many failure as Ducky who is new.
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Is this only happen to most of the blue switch? I had this problem too for my Noppoo Choc Blue switch.
There are quite a lot of keys with this sound LOL.
And my Filco backspace had the squeeky sound sometime.
Where do we apply the grease?

This post has been edited by zandara: Sep 2 2011, 06:04 PM
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post Sep 2 2011, 06:33 PM

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Let me guess, the ''ping'' issue is the hearing of a ''springy'' noise when key is pressed?

The issue of inconsistent/faulty/springy switch is always there on many's Razer BWU.
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Sep 2 2011, 06:33 PM)
Let me guess, the ''ping'' issue is the hearing of a ''springy'' noise when key is pressed?

The issue of inconsistent/faulty/springy switch is always there on many's Razer BWU.
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Actually the "3rd hand" I have here 7G does have this squeak (space bar). greased and it works fine. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Sep 2 2011, 02:38 PM)
Thanks for the solution for the squeaky sound. smile.gif

As for the pinging, i heard it, but what matter is, does it has any downside?
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It doesn't affect the functionality of the keyboard. It's just noiser than usual.

QUOTE(zandara @ Sep 2 2011, 05:55 PM)
Is this only happen to most of the blue switch? I had this problem too for my Noppoo Choc Blue switch.
There are quite a lot of keys with this sound LOL.
And my Filco backspace had the squeeky sound sometime.
Where do we apply the grease?
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It happens to all switches and all brands.
The pinging is caused by the "resonance of the spring which is amplified by the metal plate" when the user releases the key.

Grease application guide
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Sep 2 2011, 06:33 PM)
Let me guess, the ''ping'' issue is the hearing of a ''springy'' noise when key is pressed?

The issue of inconsistent/faulty/springy switch is always there on many's Razer BWU.
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Nope, it's the sound after the user releases the switch.
The pinging is caused by the "resonance of the spring which is amplified by the metal plate" when the user releases the key.

This post has been edited by Squarebox: Sep 4 2011, 06:21 PM
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post Sep 2 2011, 10:00 PM

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thx for the info regarding to the ping thingy. smile.gif
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Hmm. My BWU still working perfectly after so long. People having issues with it? That being said, I think I'll be getting a Filco Blue towards the end of the year.
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post Sep 3 2011, 01:24 AM

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I haven't heard of any really problems with Razer Blackwidow Ultimate.
Maybe because they might be manufactured by Costar...

Proof: "Costar Stabilizer"
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post Sep 3 2011, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 2 2011, 09:22 PM)

It happens to all switches and all brands.
The pinging is caused by the "resonance of the spring which is amplified by the metal plate" when the user releases the key.

Grease application guide
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Thanks!
But this is just for the large keycap which have the stabilizer. How about the video shown the "Filco Ping" about the other keys? Need to desolder and resolder again?
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 3 2011, 02:24 AM)
I haven't heard of any really problems with Razer Blackwidow Ultimate.
Maybe because they might be manufactured by Costar...

Proof: "Costar Stabilizer"
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if Razer has given order to build the product at slightly off grid quality, it won't matter who the OEM maker is, even COSTAR made will break down fast also.

Proof? Sales from local disti said RBW is one of the frequent hospital visitor.

Since year 2006 the mass change of Razer, i will always cross my finger on any Razer products.
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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 3 2011, 01:24 AM)
I haven't heard of any really problems with Razer Blackwidow Ultimate.
Maybe because they might be manufactured by Costar...

Proof: "Costar Stabilizer"
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MINE china made Mecha Keyboard used this type of stabilizer also. But black color. When i first time plug out it take me 15 minute to put it back >< Cause worry accidentally break it. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 3 2011, 10:05 AM)
if Razer has given order to build the product at slightly off grid quality, it won't matter who the OEM maker is, even COSTAR made will break down fast also.

Proof? Sales from local disti said RBW is one of the frequent hospital visitor.

Since year 2006 the mass change of Razer, i will always cross my finger on any Razer products.
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I'm just guessing...
When talking about failure rates, it's the percentage of RMA to sales.

Example:
If RBW sold 5,000 but only 5 RMA which makes the percentage 0.1%
If Ducky sold 500 but 5 RMA, the percentage would be 1%

Razer is infamous for breakdown but I still love my Deathadder and Coppperhead.

QUOTE(bai1101 @ Sep 3 2011, 10:18 AM)
MINE china made Mecha Keyboard used this type of stabilizer also. But black color. When i first time plug out it take me 15 minute to put it back >< Cause worry accidentally break it.  sweat.gif
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That reminds me, Noppoo also use Costar-styled stabilizer but aren't OEM from Costar.
My barenaked Noppoo
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Youtube is a great place to get help.
Anyway, here's a video to help those who have Costar-styled stabilizers.


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post Sep 3 2011, 01:36 PM

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KBC's new 75% keyboard - Backlit + Tenkeyless + Arrow Keys + F Keys

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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 2 2011, 03:29 AM)
Personally, I'm picky about the type of stabilizer used for bigger keys.
Both stabilizer works well but they each have their pros and cons.

Filco - Costar stabilizer retains the feel of the switch but changing keycaps is more troublesome.
Leopold - Cherry stabilizer make changing keycaps a breeze but it makes the switch feel different.

Both are great keyboard regardless.
In Singapore, Filco and Leopold are the same price of SGD$179. Without a doubt, I would pick the Filco.
In Malaysia, Filco are RM4XX and Leopold are RM345. Leopold are definitely a great buy.

If money is not a problem, just go with the Filco.
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Oh... didnt know that Filco and Leopold are priced the same in Singapore...
Ya... was originally plannning to get a Filco, but the Costar stabilizers scares me when i think i wanna change keycaps.... sweat.gif

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 2 2011, 10:42 AM)


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Offcourse there's QC, else they might be not working at all out of the box.

you see, QC works this way. imagine you are the worker
1) Boss this key a bit off, let it go?  Boss: aiya this 1 won't do any harm, just release it
2) Boss this switch doesn't feel like the others? Boss: you sure it don't feel like others? Do you feel that you are losing your bonus too?
3) Boss this keyboard seems a bit uneven? Boss: throw it away, we only want perfect parts
4) Boss this keyboard won't work at all.. Boss: hmm maybe there's ppl who too busy to exchange, let put it through and hope for it.

That's how concept of QC works, even you have world class machinery, error still could happen and it's QC that makes the final quality great. That's what I learned from working in manufacturing line
I am not pro on Mech keyboard like but so far I'm satisfied because no comparison xD
Already have 2 Ducky
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Well, i do know that in manufacturing lines, there is always a "certain percentage" of products produced are faulty, this is the "uncontrollable" and "inevitable" "manufacture's defects" that happens to ALL manufacturing lines in ALL factories.... nod.gif
QUOTE(storm88 @ Sep 3 2011, 10:05 AM)
if Razer has given order to build the product at slightly off grid quality, it won't matter who the OEM maker is, even COSTAR made will break down fast also.

Proof? Sales from local disti said RBW is one of the frequent hospital visitor.

Since year 2006 the mass change of Razer, i will always cross my finger on any Razer products.
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Right now... I only buy stuffs from SS, CM storm (based on those promising positive reviews) and logitech, and would only buy Razer's stuff if i cant find it by other manufacturer, even so, i would only buy its non-electronics products... such as mousepads, pouches and such.... because there is less chances that it would go wrong.... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Sep 3 2011, 01:36 PM)
KBC's new 75% keyboard - Backlit + Tenkeyless + Arrow Keys + F Keys

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post Sep 3 2011, 03:13 PM

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The typing sensation with the white and black Ducky 9008 is different.. somehow the white feels less satisfying.. Felt softer and more linear although both being same model and carrying the same switch
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 3 2011, 03:13 PM)
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The typing sensation with the white and black Ducky 9008 is different.. somehow the white feels less satisfying.. Felt softer and more linear although both being same model and carrying the same switch
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Is it the brown switch? Probably the keycaps could affect the the feels.

Anyway, just got my leopold red switch from cyclone. It is great keyboard. Still need sometime to get used on red switch. It is softer than brown. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zandara @ Sep 3 2011, 04:19 PM)
Is it the brown switch? Probably the keycaps could affect the the feels.

Anyway, just got my leopold red switch from cyclone. It is great keyboard. Still need sometime to get used on red switch. It is softer than brown. biggrin.gif
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I wanna get 1 unit from him too, worried about not getting used to it, i try tapping on blue switch back few days.. seems really loud lol

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post Sep 3 2011, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Squarebox @ Sep 3 2011, 11:49 AM)
I'm just guessing...
When talking about failure rates, it's the percentage of RMA to sales.

Example:
If RBW sold 5,000 but only 5 RMA which makes the percentage 0.1%
If Ducky sold 500 but 5 RMA, the percentage would be 1%

Razer is infamous for breakdown but I still love my Deathadder and Coppperhead.
That reminds me, Noppoo also use Costar-styled stabilizer but aren't OEM from Costar.
My barenaked Noppoo
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Youtube is a great place to get help.
Anyway, here's a video to help those who have Costar-styled stabilizers.

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Sadly RBW's RMA rate is more than 1%
anyhow, i do love copperheard but not deathadder.
I do own both of them before,
Copperheard words fine how ever it's age is double of Deathadder. But deathadder's rubber coat already sticking on my hand sweat.gif

p/s: you have nice photo shooting skill neh smile.gif

This post has been edited by storm88: Sep 3 2011, 09:40 PM

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