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post Apr 22 2011, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Pok Leh @ Apr 22 2011, 04:07 PM)
grain in 300 is quite ok to me due to the nature of the movie..so does Saving Private Ryan..
but grain in Minority Report and much worst in War of The Worlds, is kind of unacceptable to me..
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yo brother,

MINORITY & WAR are 2 of the very best in bluray picture quality, especially MI.


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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Apr 22 2011, 04:31 PM)
I had tis experience once..

De  KNOWING bd, I bought was a used unit and it came wif 6 other bd ttls in a USPS pckg.. Tis particular disc I recved had a large crack which made it unplayable, the strange ting is tat de box/casing it came wif was unmarked/pristine condition and de disc was resting nicely in its holder/spindle, when I opened it to check.. In fact de whole package's contents was in good condition except for tat one ttl.. wat I suspect was tat durin de customs inspection, they must have forced out de disc from de spindle/holder and cracked de disc [ u know how sumtimes u must press de spindle before it will release it..]

Stranger things hv happened
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ya, a scary thing man, so, did u are them to replace u the disc?

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QUOTE(Pok Leh @ Apr 22 2011, 03:07 PM)
grain in 300 is quite ok to me due to the nature of the movie..so does Saving Private Ryan..
but grain in Minority Report and much worst in War of The Worlds, is kind of unacceptable to me..
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Minority report is superb grain and color change quite a lot, but I still like it... no idea on war of the worlds.

Normatter how grain, I think the most is "Black Swan" haha... but this film is means to grain to bring out the feeling.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 22 2011, 04:17 PM)
Minority report is superb grain and color change quite a lot, but I still like it... no idea on war of the worlds.

Normatter how grain, I think the most is "Black Swan" haha... but this film is means to grain to bring out the feeling.
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war of the worlds also got grain..but its acceptable to me. i dont mind grain as it gives the film effect...
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post Apr 22 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(johnbluraylover @ Apr 22 2011, 03:50 PM)
yo brother,

MINORITY & WAR  are 2 of the very best in bluray picture quality, especially MI.
some words from Blu-ray.com review over War of the Worlds picture quality..

The picture does enjoy a strong film-like look thanks to a thick layer of grain that's maybe even a bit heavier than that seen in Minority Report and Saving Private Ryan. War of the Worlds does not offer high definition "eye candy" in the traditional sense, but it is reflective of the way the film is supposed to look, which is the ultimate compliment to any Blu-ray, no matter how rough around the edges it may be.

guess what I saw about the grainy is true thru my eyes..and it is just not my cup of tea whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pok Leh @ Apr 22 2011, 03:07 PM)
grain in 300 is quite ok to me due to the nature of the movie..so does Saving Private Ryan..
but grain in Minority Report and much worst in War of The Worlds, is kind of unacceptable to me..
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Agree on the minority report but the grains still acceptable... only I wish it would be shinning as I Robot...

I Robot is damn beautiful...
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post Apr 22 2011, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(bobtahar @ Apr 22 2011, 05:05 PM)
Agree on the minority report but the grains still acceptable... only I wish it would be shinning as I Robot...

I Robot is damn beautiful...
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I Robot beautiful? It's gorgeous alright, reference material..i loved every frame of the film. Grain wasn't a main concern. There are more to discuss
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post Apr 22 2011, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(bobtahar @ Apr 22 2011, 05:05 PM)
Agree on the minority report but the grains still acceptable... only I wish it would be shinning as I Robot...

I Robot is damn beautiful...
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I Robot, beautiful?

that, I have to agree..really nice pic quality.. thumbup.gif
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Guys,

I have a question. It may sound rather unwise.Does the digital copy provided with the Blu-ray pack any use for any of you? Does it impose illegal issue if it were to be sold separately? Taking into consideration many iPhone users are actually having the digital copy in their devices. Does it goes as legal since it uses iTunes account to transfer and i understand most of the iPhone's are "JB" version?

I find the Digital Copy is rather shrewd move for those having high end mobile devices and not for those whose having low tech phones? What's the major impact on legalizing digital copies and it could lead to conspiracy of piracy?

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 22 2011, 09:07 PM)
Guys,

I have a question. It may sound rather unwise.Does the digital copy provided with the Blu-ray pack any use for any of you? Does it impose illegal issue if it were to be sold separately? Taking into consideration many iPhone users are actually having the digital copy in their devices. Does it goes as legal since it uses iTunes account to transfer and i understand most of the iPhone's are "JB" version?

I find the Digital Copy is rather shrewd move for those having high end mobile devices and not for those whose having low tech phones? What's the major impact on legalizing digital copies and it could lead to conspiracy of piracy?
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Legal or not i had no idea. But you need to have:
  • US iTunes account for transferring US digital copy.
  • UK iTunes account for transferring UK digital copy.
The given digital copy only:
  • choosing one format either iPhone format or windows media format.
  • Only can activate once.
  • All is SD format.

Plenty instruction for creating different country iTunes account, those digital copy is not working if you use local or even singapore iTunes account.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 22 2011, 10:21 PM)
Legal or not i had no idea. But you need to have:



  • US iTunes account for transferring US digital copy.


  • UK iTunes account for transferring UK digital copy.



The given digital copy only:
[*]choosing one format either iPhone format or windows media format.
[*]Only can activate once.
[*]All is SD format.[/list]

Plenty instruction for creating different country iTunes account, those digital copy is not working if you use local or even singapore iTunes account.
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I believe can choose more than 1 format. Because usually I redeemed first (using notebook computer) and later just connect iPhone to notebook computer to synchronize with iTune. So, that mean more than 1 format (both Windows media format and iPhone format).

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Bro, i know the formats and how it works. My question is are they doing any use for yourself when you purchase those 4 disc edition , 3 disc edition which packed with Digital Copies. blush.gif

QUOTE(low98944 @ Apr 22 2011, 10:27 PM)
I believe can choose more than 1 format.  Because usually I redeemed first (using notebook computer) and later just connect iPhone to notebook computer to synchronize with iTune.  So, that mean more than 1 format (both Windows media format and iPhone format).
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I wonder if both of you understood my simple question? Or was it me?

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QUOTE(bobtahar @ Apr 22 2011, 05:05 PM)
Agree on the minority report but the grains still acceptable... only I wish it would be shinning as I Robot...

I Robot is damn beautiful...
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 22 2011, 06:10 PM)
I Robot beautiful? It's gorgeous alright, reference material..i loved every frame of the film. Grain wasn't a main concern. There are more to discuss
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QUOTE(Pok Leh @ Apr 22 2011, 08:34 PM)
I Robot, beautiful?

that, I have to agree..really nice pic quality.. thumbup.gif
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I, Robot should be one of 'the' video reference material for all 'film-based' feature film converted to hi-def format aka blu-ray... using an emulsion-based material shouldn't be an excuse for a bad presentation of a certain 'effect' on a hi-def format transfer especially on some older titles... whistling.gif


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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 22 2011, 09:07 PM)
Guys,

I have a question. It may sound rather unwise.Does the digital copy provided with the Blu-ray pack any use for any of you? Does it impose illegal issue if it were to be sold separately? Taking into consideration many iPhone users are actually having the digital copy in their devices. Does it goes as legal since it uses iTunes account to transfer and i understand most of the iPhone's are "JB" version?

I find the Digital Copy is rather shrewd move for those having high end mobile devices and not for those whose having low tech phones? What's the major impact on legalizing digital copies and it could lead to conspiracy of piracy?
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For me, it doesn't have any use eventhough I do owned a few 'types' of Apple products. Out of 20 digital copies, maybe I've only transferred no more that 1 digital copy movie to my iPhone... and that's only because to test it out the first time. I think a blu-ray / dvd combo makes more sense to me if only they don't hike up the price so much compared to a non-combo set! nod.gif For the legal part, I'll let others to comment... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 22 2011, 11:22 PM)
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Bro, i know the formats and how it works. My question is are they doing any use for yourself when you purchase those 4 disc edition , 3 disc edition which packed with Digital Copies. blush.gif
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Hi bro , alot of guys i know who do buy BD`s dont really need the digital copy . I understand as well that by not having the digital copy of these movies the cost of the BD can be brought down . In my case , i do redeem all the digital copy of the movies that i purchase . I transfer all of them to my iPhone where i view them while travelling or during my break time at work . Recently when Tangled Blu Ray came out , i choose to purchase the 3D version because i wanted the digital copy of the movie although i dont have a 3D setup at home . Maybe buyers should be given an option if they want to purchase the digital copy of movies because not everyone needs them .

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QUOTE(Ares187 @ Apr 23 2011, 12:10 AM)
Hi bro , alot of guys i know who do buy BD`s dont really need the digital copy . I understand as well that by not having the digital copy of these movies the cost of the BD can be brought down . In my case , i do redeem all the digital copy of the movies that i purchase . I transfer all of them to my iPhone where i view them while travelling or during my break time at work . Recently when Tangled Blu Ray came out , i choose to purchase the 3D version because i wanted the digital copy of the movie although i dont have a 3D setup at home . Maybe buyers should be given an option if they want to purchase the digital copy of movies because not everyone needs them .
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Excellent reply, this is what i was expecting. I agree with you honestly, i don't need the digital copy since i don't owe a luxury mobile device that can be used to watch movie files. But, what is the drawback of pulling out the Digital Copies? What's the market reception on dropping Blu-ray prices? Have those distributors or studios thought about all these factors?

I don't think they understand studied the commercial market well, in terms of the need of Digital copies, which could well, lead to infringement of genuine movie files?

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For me, it doesn't have any use eventhough I do owned a few 'types' of Apple products. Out of 20 digital copies, maybe I've only transferred no more that 1 digital copy movie to my iPhone... and that's only because to test it out the first time. I think a blu-ray / dvd combo makes more sense to me if only they don't hike up the price so much compared to a non-combo set!  nod.gif  For the legal part, I'll let others to comment...  biggrin.gif
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Kewl, i couldn't agree less with you as Blu-ray & DVD makes sense more than Digital Copies. I'm not questioning the legality of the included Digital Copies, but from what i have seen in the online trading sites, Digital Copies are sold at the range of $2-$10 USD. Well, if a Blu-ray disc alone cost USD10, i'd prefer to buy it rather than the no use Digital copies. *Sigh*

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 23 2011, 12:16 AM)
Excellent reply, this is what i was expecting. I agree with you honestly, i don't need the digital copy since i don't owe a luxury mobile device that can be used to watch movie files. But, what is the drawback of pulling out the Digital Copies? What's the market reception on dropping Blu-ray prices? Have those distributors or studios thought about all these factors?

I don't think they understand studied the commercial market well, in terms of the need of Digital copies, which could well, lead to infringement of genuine movie files?
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I dont think there is much drawback if digital copy is cease to be provided , as even now there are some titles that doesnt come with the digital copy of the movie .

Here are some of the reception on digital copy that i managed to find of the web :

Tech industry analyst Michael Gartenberg described this initiative as "a smart move" providing an easier alternative to customers compared to converting the files themselves using software such as HandBrake. Gartenberg was critical of Sony for restricting themselves to files for the PlayStation Portable that were not widely compatible with more popular personal media devices.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation described Digital Copy schemes as "stealing your fair use rights and selling them back to you piecemeal" disputing claims by Hollywood studios that it is illegal for customers to rip a personal copy of a DVD to put on a portable video player, even if they own the DVD.He references Jon Healey of the Los Angeles Times who describes the situation as consumers being asked in the case of DVDs to pay more for uses they had before at no extra cost with CDs and cassette tapes.

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of ComputerWorld.com describes the "Digital Copy" as nonsense, a feature that is no feature at all. He criticizes it as an attempt by the industry to sugar coat DRM, complaining that viewers should be able to watch the movie they have already bought on any device they want, and that media companies should change their business plans to meet their customers' legitimate needs.

Opinions on this issue is mixed and it depends on individuals on how they interpret it . It could lead to infringement of genuine movie files , i have tried making a copy of the digital copy and tried ripping it / converting but it failed .

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QUOTE(Ares187 @ Apr 23 2011, 12:23 AM)
I dont think there is much drawback if digital copy is cease to be provided , as even now there are some titles that doesnt come with the digital copy of the movie .

Here are some of the reception on digital copy that i managed to find of the web :

Tech industry analyst Michael Gartenberg described this initiative as "a smart move" providing an easier alternative to customers compared to converting the files themselves using software such as HandBrake. Gartenberg was critical of Sony for restricting themselves to files for the PlayStation Portable that were not widely compatible with more popular personal media devices.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation described Digital Copy schemes as "stealing your fair use rights and selling them back to you piecemeal" disputing claims by Hollywood studios that it is illegal for customers to rip a personal copy of a DVD to put on a portable video player, even if they own the DVD.He references Jon Healey of the Los Angeles Times who describes the situation as consumers being asked in the case of DVDs to pay more for uses they had before at no extra cost with CDs and cassette tapes.

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of ComputerWorld.com describes the "Digital Copy" as nonsense, a feature that is no feature at all. He criticizes it as an attempt by the industry to sugar coat DRM, complaining that viewers should be able to watch the movie they have already bought on any device they want, and that media companies should change their business plans to meet their customers' legitimate needs.

Opinions on this issue is mixed and it depends on individuals on how they interpret it .  It could lead to infringement of genuine movie files , i have tried making a copy of the digital copy and tried ripping it / converting but it failed .
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"A Smart Move", providing alternative to consumers is fine, probably the volume of piracy in that nation (US), does not grow higher than what it does in the Asian market. I couldn't agree less with Steven JVN of Computerworld.com, if you gonna buy the Blu-ray for the format itself, and enjoy the High Definition content with your Home system, makes sense perfectly. Not criticizing the inclusion of Digital copies, but it does largely makes difference in terms of price quoting for most of the Blu-ray titles.

I'd never bothered ripping or converting files. I do admit that , i do download files sometimes, mostly from the luxury provider , Youtube blush.gif. Good debate thus far tongue.gif

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 23 2011, 12:33 AM)
"A Smart Move", providing alternative to consumers is fine, probably the volume of piracy in that nation (US), does not grow higher than what it does in the Asian market. I couldn't agree less with Steven JVN of Computerworld.com, if you gonna buy the Blu-ray for the format itself, and enjoy the High Definition content with your Home system, makes sense perfectly. Not criticizing the inclusion of Digital copies, but it does largely makes difference in terms of price quoting for most of the Blu-ray titles.

I'd never bothered ripping or converting files. I do admit that , i do download files sometimes, mostly from the luxury provider , Youtube blush.gif. Good debate thus far tongue.gif
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I think the main issue is the pricing of the BD once the digital copies are included . Piracy is really not a factor as with iTunes its very difficult to make copies of the digital copies it self . iTunes showed both content owners and consumers that content distribution using DRM can, indeed, be a win-win situation
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QUOTE(Ares187 @ Apr 23 2011, 01:30 AM)
I think the main issue is the pricing of the BD once the digital copies are included . Piracy is really not a factor as with iTunes its very difficult to make copies of the digital copies it self . iTunes showed both content owners and consumers that content distribution using DRM can, indeed, be a win-win situation
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Understood, but isn't it iTunes account hackable or can be cracked to be used for legal content? Or is it me who got it wrong? If the useless DVD & Digital Copies are eliminated from the Blu-ray packaging , we will not see prices like 29.99 , 24.99 , or even 22.99. Could well go below $20?
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Ok I am half sick today..I understand your question. Haha

For me, digital copy id useless, some more they are SD only, those needs can anytime purchase from itunes.

DVD extra copy also extra useless.

I don't might added both but in term of as FOC, not higher up the price.

I rather my extra spend for getting better packaging and all BD shall came with slipcover with no time limit.

As for the digital copy legal part, understanding it shall not be re-sales.

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