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post Apr 4 2011, 07:29 PM

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codyx, didnt we talk bout it, i think it was hardware issue, specifically on your, but since now you pointed out other A33/55 has the issue, it could be a firmware issue. let's see if sony get reports of it oversea. if just firmware, then fix will be out soon as soon as sony japan gets the pressure from public.

also, since u know how it was trigger, maybe u could try not to 'trigger' it by not using that moves.
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post Apr 4 2011, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 4 2011, 07:29 PM)
codyx, didnt we talk bout it, i think it was hardware issue, specifically on your, but since now you pointed out other A33/55 has the issue, it could be a firmware issue. let's see if sony get reports of it oversea. if just firmware, then fix will be out soon as soon as sony japan gets the pressure from public.

also, since u know how it was trigger, maybe u could try not to 'trigger' it by not using that moves.
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Added on April 4, 2011, 7:38 pmhaha..you don't get your McD cos they fixed my back Focusing...LOL

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(Codyx @ Apr 4 2011, 06:34 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

1 open a picture
2 zoom on the picture, you may navigate the zoom
3 test your EVF sensor whether is it working
4 delete your photo(while in zoom factor) WHILE activate the Live>EVF sensor SIMULTANEOUSLY
>>>NEED PRACTICE/REPEATING
5 Hang...

Pull your battery out to reset

Step 4 requires practice or repeatation

NOTE:
Tested with other machine(a55/a33) beside this and all have the similar problem, Tried Using different Mem. card and battery, with or without lens...

Do not blame me if you can't work out with the situation as i teach the SONY technician and demonstrate with him for whole day for him to work the problem(cause the problem) to occur...and they tested with all other machine which show the same sign

don't ask me why i do this sequence because normally i'll use EVF for all purposes including deleting/viewing bla bla bla...so in reality, when i delete a photo(after zoom) which coincidentally similar with the 'steps' above the problem occurs...

Comments welcomed..

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test it and follow u step yup is got this happen.
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(fansoption @ Apr 4 2011, 09:05 PM)
test it and follow u step yup is got this happen.
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:12 PM

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just want to ask u guy using a33/a55 the flash mode is pre-flash TTL setting or ADI flash?
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(fansoption @ Apr 4 2011, 09:12 PM)
just want to ask u guy using a33/a55 the flash mode is pre-flash TTL setting or ADI flash?
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i use ADI as they(workshop) people say better more accurate sort of idea biggrin.gif
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Codyx @ Apr 4 2011, 10:44 PM)
i use ADI as they(workshop) people say better more accurate sort of idea biggrin.gif
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ADI (Advanced Distance Integration) gives more accuracy as it factors in the distance and the metering of the camera through the lens. But its main practicality is to be used with direct flash. I heard that it is very easy to get exposure errors if you use any diffuser/bounce gel etc etc... Thus many ppl still stick with TTL as it is more reliable.

edited: added, some lens might not support ADI so you might get better results when using TTL on those lenses

Take my comments with a pinch of salt and correct me if I'm wrong blush.gif

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Codyx @ Apr 4 2011, 04:04 PM)
flash delay is liddat one..but i never use pop-up...lol...got F42 edi.. biggrin.gif

the machine on 'certain conditions' will hang and you'll need to pop the battery out and put em back to reset it...

occur on ALL SLT a55 and a33...even the technician also 拜 me for identifying such rare issue sweat.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 4:05 pmgood luck for all SLT users....do update when New Firmware is Out....
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ok, so sad to me(a33)...so u mean no good f42 on a33 ? or f58 ?
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(yuhi @ Apr 4 2011, 09:23 PM)
ADI (Advanced Distance Integration) gives more accuracy as it factors in the distance and the metering of the camera through the lens. But its main practicality is to be used with direct flash. I heard that it is very easy to get exposure errors if you use any diffuser/bounce gel etc etc... Thus many ppl still stick with TTL as it is more reliable. Take my comments with a pinch of salt and correct me if I'm wrong  blush.gif
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oh...then how to utilize both features or which situation is best to fully taking advantage on each flash types? ADI/Pre-TTL

Situation-wise?

thanks
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QUOTE(empty-ball @ Apr 4 2011, 09:25 PM)
ok, so sad to me(a33)...so u mean no good f42  on a33 ? or f58 ?
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if you guys never actually run with the Hang issue i mentioned it's ok...

just use it with the current habit then you will not encounter such issue....maybe i am too hardcore towards by camera so things liddat were discovered sweat.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 9:31 pmunless Sony come out with a better flash which cope with the SLT body issue then you can wait...else just grab either 42 or 58 you like...if you are not in macro photography like they mentioned which affect your output...me myself never found the flash an issue due to my own usage

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:33 PM

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Codyx: Well done - I found the bug on the first try. Looks like a simple programming bug where they still remember the picture you are viewing even though you deleted (because you entered EVF mode.)

I do not come into this bug because I don't tend to delete pictures from the EVF... I usually do it comfortably on the LCD.

yuhi: Filters have a EV factor also - so if it says +1 then you need to do +1 EV in order for ADI to expose correctly.

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 4 2011, 09:33 PM)
Codyx: Well done - I found the bug on the first try. Looks like a simple programming bug where they still remember the picture you are viewing even though you deleted (because you entered EVF mode.)

yuhi: Filters have a EV factor also - so if it says +1 then you need to do +1 EV in order for ADI to expose correctly.
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haha...that is a ridiculous Bug sweat.gif .... now i can wash my name clean clean thumbup.gif

hope this give some tips to user getting SLT.... laugh.gif

ahemm...hope someone else get this beside me so the ....ahem....A77 won't have such issue? sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:37 PM

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Codyx: With all due respect, while it is something we should avoid, I would think the chances of anybody else coming into this bug is very small and should not stop anybody from buying it.

I use the LCD to delete, mostly, but if I have to use EVF to delete then I am in EVF deleting, not going back and forth from LCD to EVF while deleting lah.
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 4 2011, 09:37 PM)
Codyx: With all due respect, while it is something we should avoid, I would think the chances of anybody else coming into this bug is very small and should not stop anybody from buying it.

I use the LCD to delete, mostly, but if I have to use EVF to delete then I am in EVF deleting, not going back and forth from LCD to EVF while deleting lah.
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yeahh...because like i explained....tried to fully utilize the EVF super cool feature shocking.gif so i hardly involve using the LCD in the end...so the problem happens to me alot rclxub.gif..worry not, will do things more slowly for me now nod.gif sweat.gif
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post Apr 4 2011, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 4 2011, 09:37 PM)
Codyx: With all due respect, while it is something we should avoid, I would think the chances of anybody else coming into this bug is very small and should not stop anybody from buying it.

I use the LCD to delete, mostly, but if I have to use EVF to delete then I am in EVF deleting, not going back and forth from LCD to EVF while deleting lah.
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agree what to say, where got ppl so free del thing also want like codyx that way haha. Codyx are too free now i know how he del pic. haha!

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post Apr 4 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(fansoption @ Apr 4 2011, 09:40 PM)
agree what to say, where got ppl so free del thing also want like codyx that way haha.
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noonooo...i din't delete liddat la..just a 'shortcut' to show you guys the how to problem occurs...LOL biggrin.gif

if you dun use the LCD and rely on EVF for very long time sure will encounter oops.gif

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 4 2011, 05:31 PM)
well if you put 2 different metals with different reactivities together, under the right conditions(like water vapour in the air), both of them will react, and ions will flow, causing depreciation of one of the metals. already forgot the details la. learned it in electrochemistry quite some time ago.  laugh.gif
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I can explain this...
if the metal A is lower than metal B in the reactivity series,

metal B will corrode... and metal A will continue to be there smile.gif
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guys, talking about ext flash, how do u know if its on ADI or TTL?


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post Apr 4 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(blowsh @ Apr 4 2011, 11:30 PM)
guys, talking about ext flash, how do u know if its on ADI or TTL?
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Its in your menu, check it out!


Added on April 4, 2011, 10:16 pm
QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 4 2011, 11:03 PM)
yuhi: Filters have a EV factor also - so if it says +1 then you need to do +1 EV in order for ADI to expose correctly.
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Thx for adding albnok, totally forgot about filters lol nod.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 10:18 pm
QUOTE(Codyx @ Apr 4 2011, 10:56 PM)
oh...then how to utilize both features or which situation is best to fully taking advantage on each flash types? ADI/Pre-TTL

Situation-wise?

thanks
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ADI = direct flash (w/o diffuser bounce etc etc) (remember, like albnok said, you might have to dail in exposure compensation in between -1 EV to +1 EV if you are using filters.

TTL = everything else LOL! rclxub.gif

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post Apr 4 2011, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(yuhi @ Apr 4 2011, 10:15 PM)
Its in your menu, check it out!


Added on April 4, 2011, 10:16 pm
Thx for adding albnok, totally forgot about filters lol nod.gif


Added on April 4, 2011, 10:18 pm
ADI = direct flash (w/o diffuser bounce etc etc) (remember, like albnok said, you might have to dail in exposure compensation in between -1 EV to +1 EV if you are using filters.

TTL = everything else LOL! rclxub.gif
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so you mean ADI not recommended for bouncing/diffusing?

Should use TTL? omg i use ADI for almost everything... shocking.gif
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post Apr 4 2011, 10:41 PM

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yuhi: No, a positive EV is always needed if there is a filter in front of the lens or flash.

Codyx: The camera always automatically switches from ADI to TTL the moment you turn the flash to bounce or detach it and trigger it wirelessly. So yes, you can leave it on ADI - I leave it on ADI so I can shoot extremely hot sun scenes with flash exposure being perfect. However if I use a diffuser I need to +EV according to its manual. (They will usually tell you how much +EV to put.)

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