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post Oct 29 2005, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Oct 29 2005, 02:01 PM)
Gulp....bulhy's nyer all pretty messed up condition for now sweat.gif

and the BIX2 surely out of my budget even for part-exchange
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Heh-heh-heh, been like that eversince i've got em... tak sempat to soaked em up yet.

Neway get a load of this: Behold the ultimat Water Block.... G7
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What say cathars...

Just to recap what the G-numbers mean 'cos there's still some confusion over this:

G1 = 1 jet
G2 = 7 jets
G3 = 19 jets
G4 = 35-37 jets (implemented G4 has 35 jets)
G5 = 55-61 jets (implemented G5 has 59 jets)
G6 = 85-91 jets
G7 = 117-127 jets (implemented G7 has 117 jets)
G8 = 155-169 jets (could only machine on aerospace quality equipment)

more to come brows.gif

EDIT: add some more from cathar's :

As for the design improvements over the original base Storm design specification:
. Increased jet inlet plenum area to lower pressure drop (thicker top-plate enables a more voluminous plenum so water can reach all jet inlets with minimal restriction - visible to eye))
. Ported jet intakes to lower pressure drop (jet intakes are now all ellipse radiused using a custom manufactured tool - visible to eye)
. Tweaked jet lengths to lower pressure drop (jet lengths are shorter - internal + external mod, middle plate is significantly thinner too)
. Tweaked jet outlets to lower pressure drop (each jet outlet is chamfered around the outside of the jet tube to offer less restriction for flow exiting the cup structure - barely visible to eye)
. Multiple flow path channels to outlet to both decrease pressure drop, and more evenly distribute jet flow and total base-plate cooling (self-explanatory and very visible to eye)
. Base-plate bracing to boost structural strength for high-pressure CPU mounting (the 12 little posts that surround the jet area brace the base-plate and also serve as additional water turbulation for water outwash cooling effect over base-plate outside of main jetted area)
. Improved top-plate strength for higher pressure mounting capability (just a thicker top-plate, which is offset by thinner middle plate)
. Middle-plate bracing to improve jet/cup alignment when used with high-pressure pumps (additional consequence of the middle plate posts - reduces middle plate flexing meaning jets stay better focused with respect to their cup counterparts under very high pressure operation - meaning >>10psi)
. Improved O-ring specifications to minimise assembly based warping (smaller O-rings and slightly wider O-ring groove dimensions, thereby meaning less clamping pressure required to seal minimising the amount of pressure that gets applied to the base-plate effectively eliminating base-plate flex on assembly)
. Additional O-ring seal between inlet to middle plate plenum and outlet (this one's for the armchair waterblock critics - I never deemed it necessary but people often griped about the design needing one even though it doesn't, so I put it there to keep them happy anyway - may as well)
. Improved cup/wall ratios for higher performance (minor ratio adjustments - added base-plate strength too)
. Improved jet turbulators for higher performance (two prototypes being tested)
. Improved base-plate characteristics for higher performance (adjusted base-plate thickness suitable for G7+silver)
. Improved jet/cup ratios for higher performance (tweaked ratio adjustment)
. Improved low-flow performance without sacrificing high-flow performance (micro-jetted efficiencies are much higher even with lower flow rates - also a consequence of turbulator modifications and jet/cup ratio adjustments)
. Improved small bare-die performance (down to 7x7mm CPU dies) without sacrificing IHS performance. (simulated and tested adjustments to attempt to cover the widest possible variety of CPU types)

enjoy reading y'all thumbup.gif

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post Oct 29 2005, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Oct 29 2005, 05:24 PM)
Muahahahaha...pimping time
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w00t!!!! drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif ... planet betul!!!!... guess it's time to soaked up the BIX II.. mine should be arriving next week... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Oct 29 2005, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Oct 29 2005, 07:30 PM)
Mungkin tak kot pasal Poslaju closed for raya starting Monday amok. So for the time being, me and TJye are the only one's in possesion of the Storm. Prodi9y dunno where he went
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blink.gif blink.gif cry.gif cry.gif ... oh tidakkkkk... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif , yeah the pos office will accept postal order/request but who gonna post the merchandise.... argghhhhh.

QUOTE(TJye @ Oct 29 2005, 10:39 PM)
MUAHAHAH
its me and almosthere with the g4

Who knows, maybe amok will be getting his one
Poslaju works during sat also
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hehe... congrats you guys.. so, any result yet from the storm? please post it here... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 30 2005, 11:35 PM

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ayo.. i thought you guys started pimping the block ledy... nvm, i'll wait for dinster's post. Right now i'm dimantling my phase rig to test the Storm G4... and i'll be using:

1. Storm G4 w/block (of course)
2. BIX II
3. Swiftech MCP650
4. Bay Res (the poly one)
5. Clearflex tubing 1/2" ID.

Wish us all the luck..
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post Oct 31 2005, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Oct 31 2005, 12:22 AM)
Amok: how much did your mcp650 cost you and where you get them?

Looks like your rig will be the ultimate cpu cooling solution
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MCP650?.. blink.gif blink.gif it was a long-long time ago in a far-far away galaxy when a forumer named .1. did a bulk on this pump... together-gether who joined this bulk is arj, prodi9y, me and a few others... cost can't remember but around RM 320.00~ RM 330.00 along-long time ago.

QUOTE(dinster @ Oct 31 2005, 01:10 AM)
eh dengar cerita, 4 orang sudah ada Storm G4.....
betul ke ?
ada baik ka itu block ?
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alahai.... baru 3 orang je dah ada... 3/5 that is

1. sniper on the roof Almostthere: Pokok pulak...adei...kang ada yang kena snipe baru tau
2. almostthere
3. TJye.

Belum ada:

1. Me, Myself and I ( whistling.gif )
2. prodi9y (MIA?)

EDIT: ha.. haha.. tak sengaja.. sorry2... tgh sibuk bersih laman rumah.. tebang pokok etc.

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post Nov 8 2005, 06:06 PM

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^^^ good to see you guys did your homework thumbup.gif thumbup.gif ... neway the PA160 series rad're using a new/radical design of single row "X" pass system.. thus taking a bit more width than the usual double row, double pass rad.. neway, uncle snipe got your rad ledi?

O.T.: Look what i've got today ->La La La La

brows.gif will start pimping 2 morrow yeah.
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post Nov 8 2005, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 8 2005, 06:17 PM)
Cammm siallllllllllllllllllllll....jaga ko amok..jaga ko...kita tengok temp sapa lagik rendah pasnih
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whistling.gif whistling.gif ph34r.gif la, la, la... whistling.gif whistling.gif

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 8 2005, 07:31 PM)
Belum lagi lar... that celaka punya sarjan lar.. psycho me say BIX too much backpressure for slow fans.
Sort of undecided now.... BIP scared tarak cukup oomph for winnie+NV40.....BIP2 or PA160 pulak tarak tempat mau pasang.
If BIX kasi slow fan push-pull apamacam?
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Backpressure? hence your objective is silent then i'm afraid i have to agree with that celaka sarjan on this one.. those chooler mustard fan just wont cut it. A BIX with less than 75 CFM wont get you anywhere..and is there's a fan that can give >75CFM with less than 20dB? ..aiyaaaa decision, decision..

QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 8 2005, 07:33 PM)
wa sulah cakap....mau pakai BIX kena airflow tinggi...you want to use that sucky CM fan sila laa....jangan nanti my BIP with a Delta 120 x 25 mm fan shows lower temps then yours then you're gonna regret a whole lot
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CM fan does not only suck........................ it blows oso. rolleyes.gif .. jangan mare.
QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 8 2005, 09:15 PM)
Actually I don't think its totally about the airflow issue, I think its more of a pressure issue.
If sniper can get a blower that has a pressure of as much as a 38mm fan and 2/3 of the air flow...I think sniper will see a very good result, and still the blower will be silent. Asking a blower of the same size to do a pressure of a 38mm axial fan is piece a cake...
The other point is, a 80cfm fan when couple with a BIX will not have 80cfm.... probably a 60cfm.......
In this case, I think a push and pull will be quite good as a option to BIX
but how powerfull of a fan for push and full would be much of a debate.
maybe 2 38mm CM alucase fan would do the trick?

Just trying to express what I think, don't snipe me....
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TJye.. celaka sarjan was mentioning about back pressure in the first place, thus resulting in lost of airflow, your theory however seemed reasonable providing can get a good push pull combo... plus don't forget the silence factor... can't snipe if people can hear ya.

And if snipe insist on the BIX, then i guess get a good 1" shroud to quiten it down... it do work... google lar.
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post Nov 11 2005, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(dinster @ Nov 9 2005, 09:22 PM)
waiting for Amok and Prodigy to post their Storm G4 results..... brows.gif
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Wait for it.......... leak testing till tommorrow.. some problem with the resevoir cause caps can't fit... sweat.gif the rest is hocky dorry. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 10 2005, 09:16 AM)
I was like... WTF?? It's like...where's the bleedin logic in this? Not shipping to a macho lengchai consumer like myself in Taiwan because stoned with counterfeiters. As if lar the manufacturers cannot buy from elsewhere.
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huh.gif .. thermochill like dat one? biggrin.gif .. why not try Singapore retailer?

QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 10 2005, 06:13 PM)
I think something bad has happened to my g4
the base copper plate is somehow......corroded
I don't know is it that I touch it with my sweaty palms or when I leak test the whole system, I accidently sprinkle some water onto it....
Its got darken marks over it and a darken fingerprint of mine on its base.
What should I do?
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Arctic Cleaner No. 1 and No. 2... biggrin.gif Gerenti shiny and new. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 11 2005, 11:05 AM)
Hai amok...tak cukup tygons ker tongue.gif macam tergantung jer D4 tuh...shian dia......wait next week when I hook up mine I'll see how it goes
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif .. i'm oni using the Clearflex, 1/2" ID and 1km OD blink.gif .. suppose to fit the resevoir on the lower part of the case.. as soon as i can find where my "bibik" kept the lower bay tray.. I wonder how TJye is doing.. it get a bit tricky when mounting the block to the proc.. but thats another story.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 11 2005, 01:19 PM)
Hahahahahaha...prodi9y's rig pimped by me
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drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif .. sargeant.. get your sorry ass back to melaka and pimp my rig can? brows.gif , pimp = ikan bakar muara duyung.

QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 11 2005, 03:53 PM)
Very neat indeed his rig......

speaking of the pump, besides silicon sealant what else can I use?
can I just use some plastic adhesive?
that would of course seal the housing permanently
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errr.. dunno if everyone agrees wif me or not but on my nirox i'm using epoxy looks neater, been using it for almost 1 1/2 years wifout failure or leakage.. thumbup.gif

O.T.: finally found the lower bay bracket now had to redo the whole thing.
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QUOTE(dinster @ Nov 12 2005, 08:48 AM)
amok,

pegi la beli Rounded Cable sikit pastu pegi buat PSU sleeving...... buruk sgt tu  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

jgn marah.... Slamat Hari Raya...... tongue.gif

duit raya pun dah dpt apa......  whistling.gif
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biggrin.gif heheheheh... i'm soooo sorry cause i'm no pimping freak.. toooo lazy cause just wanna result, but since it's raya, ok i'll do a bit of a show.

Ini lar paling rajin aku nak buat: biggrin.gif
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Bubuh sikit U.V.

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(boley nampak bayangan rambut aku yg pacak-pacak tuh)

O.K... now regarding the intial temp result.. when idle + stock the G4 doesn't bear any diff'n from ordinary/common w/cooling kit/setup.. but try oc'ing and load the cpu i'm amazed how it keeps a constant temp.., i'll post a few screenies when my TIC has settled in a few hours time.. brows.gif ph34r.gif

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 18 2005, 12:30 PM)
Lookslike Swiftech's gone and done it again. New WB coming out soon and it's called the Apogee. Here's what I managed to grab from XS

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no wonder there a sudden price decrease of the Swifty Storm... they're at it again... somehow swifty still believe in the diamond pin matrix.. greater surface area.. but it created so much resistance for the flow... pressure drops... suitable pumps.. etc.... NVM.. just wait for the review. Hey any new result from other's G4?.. my AGP card just rosak on the G4 rig.. now on my P4 with the mcw6002.. sarjan got extra agp card?

all'n@ sexy res you've made there.. if can show more pics please + dimensions.
ianho@ err on my hdpe res, i've used epoxy (read somewhere at xs forum) for fixing the barbs with the res.
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 22 2005, 01:05 AM)
OK, now fixed up my pump and it's working and temps so far are good. 44C at load temps but will have to see how it goes as the AS5 is still fresh on it. Probably need the 200 hours start and stop before I'll see any real effect. Owh BTW swapped the fan to Panaflo's. A darn sight more silent now
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Hey 44C at load is good thumbup.gif thumbup.gif, mine still waiting for a fresh AGP card sweat.gif sweat.gif ..

fendi@ realy sorry about your rig man sweat.gif

pornstar & MetalZone @ if you guys thinking of uv'ing your coolant go for the thinner OD, if you guys are going for the hadrcore, mind twisting tube bending industrial look, get the thicker OD... the thicker one are harder to kink.
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QUOTE(c9 @ Nov 22 2005, 03:29 PM)
The worse thing happened when I was using WC, my soundcard and my 9600XT burnt. sad.gif

The water came out from the loosen hose clamp.. Damn!!

I feel sad with your lost man.. sad.gif
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erkkk... lagi sad case.. , fendii case is more of a rare and unlucky sort, whilst c9 is errr... human error? But hey good to see you again c9 thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 22 2005, 02:19 PM)
and harder to curve as well....
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oh.. yeah... hehehe, but thicker is sexier...

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and look ma no kinks

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 22 2005, 09:15 PM)
wah ur second pic so dark wan?
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repeat: look ma no kinks

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post Nov 23 2005, 12:02 AM

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^ biggrin.gif nicely done...
btw, here is a lazy pics of diffn types of tubings.
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Top = tygon R3603 1/2" ID, 5/8" OD
Middle = Clearflex for DD 1/2" ID, 3/4" OD... 1/8" Wall
Bottom = Aeroplane brand... 4 hoon ID, no callipers to measure the OD.. haha.. RM 1.00 per meter oni.
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looks at sarge's pimp, he's ok with the tyg. thumbup.gif of course if you're a bit hesitate or in doubt get the thicker ones and join the sexay tube club brows.gif
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QUOTE(babyelf @ Nov 23 2005, 11:45 PM)
selling my corsair cool soon..

MCP655
Swiftech G4
Tygon
Zerex
Maze4 GPU
Dual pass triple radiator (waiting for stacker 830 and mounting behind)
3 120mm fans
fan controller

anything i should be watching out for in that setup?
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..well, i think you're good to go, err.. what fans?
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post Nov 25 2005, 11:10 PM

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awright then, tawkey ianho is using them chinese one, sarge almostthere is using the japs one, both performance're identical, xcept fore the quality of the core wound for the motor. that's all... (which do effect the life span of the motor)

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