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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, FULHAM VS LIVERPOOL C812/832 3am

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post Mar 30 2011, 09:10 AM

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found it!!..and its not a header!! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(shenmue @ Mar 29 2011, 09:04 PM)
he did have some off-field problems during his time in newcastle...if its fergie i think he would receive some hairdryer treatment...dunno bout kenny though
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well, diferent manager different style of handling players. while SAF is a hair dryer type, KD might be more of a father figure. accompany Carroll to boyzone concert is one of them. both have its advantage and disadvantage.

QUOTE(farisq @ Mar 29 2011, 10:09 PM)
Just read some of the comment on RAWK reagrding this issue. Have to agree with them. Why does Capello has to bring this issue up and focus on Carroll alone when there are many England players with off field issues
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if we look into current England squad, currently not many players into the hot water. at least not under the media spotlight apart from Rooney with his hooker problem and Carroll with his price tag following the move to Liverpool. The likes of Wilshere on have issue on his game play approach early in the season. other than that almost all players are quite clean. Maybe Capello just would like to remind Carroll so that he won't destroy his career because of booze. u know when a player started to gain fame and fortune, player will certainly will start to be carried away.

QUOTE(mkaz @ Mar 30 2011, 04:07 AM)
Carroll scored for englnd!!!
kuyt always score when it comes to international level ..
btw milan baros is with which club now ??
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Galatasay is it? i'm not sure.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 30 2011, 09:01 AM)
I think you can tell from the tone of my post that I'm not offended at all. I don't pretend to understand the Liverpool Way all that well. I only know what I've read but I truly believe as suggested by the article I posted earlier that it is becoming diluted. It's sad because it's what gives this club meaning and it's what sets us apart from everyone else.

When Alan Ball signed for Everton, Bill Shankly rang him up and told him, "nevermind, at least you'll be playing next to a great team". Different context perhaps but the point is that even when taking the piss, there isn't a need to be vindictive. Fans calling up Gerrard's home to issue death threats when he considered leaving, burning his kit, burning Torres' kit, this isn't what we are about. As Dalglish said, when burning jerseys with the players names on them, they also burned our club crest.

I know I sound like I'm no fun at all but believe me, I'm different in person. Only when it comes to this issue as I feel it is important for all of us to know who we are, what we stand for, and what sets us apart.


Added on March 30, 2011, 9:05 am

It's a known fact. Bloke once ordered 30 Jagerbombs, fell off his stool and injured himself in the process. I know other players drink but most have families and don't get wild too often. Carroll is a pisshead. I'm not surprised Capello brought this up being the disciplinarian he is.
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whoa. that much? he could get a blood poisoning from consuming too much alcohol. I think it's better for both Capello and KD to curb Carroll's drinking in his early career rather than the latter. i don't want him to end up just like Gazza and Best.
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I saw something heartwarming today... (and it does involve Torres so feel free to disregard this post)

There is a boy in my neighborhood who I regularly see piggybacking on his fathers motorbike. He cannot be more than 9 years old methinks - the thing is he always seem to wear knock of liverpool jerseys with the matching shorts. I've seen him with Gerrard and Torres.

A few days ago I saw him wearing the red one with number 9 on it, but with the Torres word peeled off. At first I thought nothing of it, maybe the quality of the knock off was poor. This morning I saw him again, in a white version and once again the TORRES wording has been peeled off!

The kid must have done it deliberately! Torres himself probably doesn't care, but the way he left leaves a lot to be desired. Like I mentioned back then, Torres has forever tarnished his reputation. And judging by his performances on the field and interviews he is having a hard time accepting that.

As for drinking... well, Shane Warne was partial to the drink every now and then (to put it mildly) and had a host of other 'disputable' inclinations, but I am sure the australians would love to have him back in their team. laugh.gif

Sometimes things are just blown well out of proportion.

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QUOTE(leftist @ Mar 30 2011, 09:10 AM)
What a shot!! Hope he will score this Saturday against Wes Brom.. Good play by the lads..
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QUOTE(fzul07 @ Mar 30 2011, 09:42 AM)
What a shot!! Hope he will score this Saturday against Wes Brom.. Good play by the lads..
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Nice and powerful shot indeed. Kuyt second goal also a stunner, a great lob just outside the box. thumbup.gif

Let's hope they keep the guns firing when we face RH's West Brom on Saturday. smile.gif
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It always doesn't feel right when I don't get my weekly dose of a Liverpool game. Watching England game without Gerrard is no fun for me either.. sad.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 30 2011, 09:38 AM)
As for drinking... well, Shane Warne was partial to the drink every now and then (to put it mildly) and had a host of other 'disputable' inclinations, but I am sure the australians would love to have him back in their team. laugh.gif


Well all he had to do was stand around in the sun smile.gif I may be wrong but like in baseball, you can afford to pack on a few pounds in cricket.
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Mar 30 2011, 10:39 AM)
Nice and powerful shot indeed. Kuyt second goal also a stunner, a great lob just outside the box.  thumbup.gif

Let's hope they keep the guns firing when we face RH's West Brom on Saturday. smile.gif
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frankly kuyt trying to pass but over hit it..he's laughing after that laugh.gif




anyway still a quality goal though notworthy.gif
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Added on March 30, 2011, 1:12 pmA little something on The Kop.

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It's as if the spirit of no surrender first shown by those brave Liverpudlians in battle had become synonymous with synonymous with
adjective equivalent to, the same as, identical to, similar to, identified with, equal to, tantamount to, interchangeable with, one and the same as  the vociferous spirit of those who have manned it through the decades to make it the most famous football stand in the world .

This is epitomised by the Kop's anthem You'll Never Walk Alone. Sung at the climax of Roger and Hammerstein's classic movie musical Carousel, it's a song about united strength and fighting on together against all the odds.

It became Liverpool's rallying call after the song became Gerry and the Pacemakers' record-breaking third consecutive number one hit in October, 1963.

This marked something of a watershed period in the history of the Kop.

Before then it had always been 100 concrete steps, 394 feet long, 135 feet wide and standing 50 feet high. It was a heaving seething mass of humanity ebbing and flowing like a great wave of flesh and blood against the crash barriers cheering on its home team. But they already shared this feature with a myriad number of other British football club terraces.

In the 1960s, however, with an adopted anthem, a charismatic team of exciting young stars such as Roger Hunt, Tommy Smith and Ian St John and the galvanising influence of one of the most iconic managers of them all, Bill Shankly William "Bill" Shankly, OBE (September 2, 1913 – September 29, 1981) was one of Britain's most successful and respected football managers.

Others in the game recognised this, including that wise old Shankly contemporary the late Joe Mercer.


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He once said: "From the moment he arrived, there was only one way - and that was up. This endless success was mirrored in that amazing relationship with the Kop.

"When he was at Anfield he was the city of Liverpool's answer to vandalism and hooliganism, because the kids came to see Liverpool. Shankly was their man, their hero, their football god. He belongs to the Kop, he's one of them.

"If he hadn't managed Liverpool, I'm sure he would have been on the Kop dressed in red singing and chanting 'Liverpool, Liverpool'."


Many know just how true this is. He may have stepped down as manager but he never stopped being a fan. After he had retired, we were playing a home game. A reporter who we present noted that chants of "Shankly! Shankly!" started to erupt from The Kop. Low and behold, the great man had bought a ticket and stood at the Kop as any fanatic would. When asked what he was doing there, he said, "this is where I belong".

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This ability to connect with the hopes and dreams of the fans to make them feel important - that they were what Shankly always referred to as The Twelfth Man -was a mantle taken up by subsequent Liverpool managers including the latest, Rafa Benite z.

Kopites know that through the wind and the rain their support is always expected - and respected. They respond in kind.

Many thought with the demise of the old terraced Kop, to be replaced by seating in 1994, that the spirit of old would be wiped out. Its golden age od power has diminished, certainly - but the very nature of the seating structure was always bound to do t h at .

None of the fanaticism or never say die has, though - if anything, it has permeated throughout the whole ground, with Anfield Road and Main Stands now having their own little hot-spots of support.


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Anyone who believed that the essence of Kop spirit had been lost only had to be in Istanbul last year at half time when the Reds were three-nil down to AC Milan in the European Champions League Final.

With victory a near impossibility, the low murmur of You'll Never Walk Alone grew to a defiant roar to lift a team whose ultimate victory will go down in footballing legend.

The Twelfth Man had scored its ultimate winning goal.


Still brings a tear to my eye. Those who haven't seen a video of this, need to. The wind was bellowing, the camera picked up on it. Scarves, banners and flag were rippling but there was an eery silence as Liverpool fans had resigned themselves to defeat. 3-0 down against the might of AC Milan. We had been outclassed and outplayed. It is true that we did not play our best football on the day but Shankly was said that if we cannot outplay our opponents, we will outrun them thus his emphasis on fitness. He himself kept well fit, giving up smoking and drinking. From the deathly silence came a low, almost morbid sound. One by one, fans started signing "You'll Never Walk Alone" probably in defiance more than in hope. The signing grew louder and louder. The lads heard it in the dressing room and their spirits grew. Fans had travelled hundreds of miles to watch the team get humiliated in the first half of play and still, they sang. Still, their support never waned. Still, the fans told the players that they would always be with them. What happened next turned out to be one of the biggest comebacks in sports history.

Rivals may mock us for not winning as many titles, or our anthem (e.g. You'll Never Win Again) but they can never take away our faith. It is why I keep reiterating how important is it to live by what we say, especially when we tell someone that they will never walk alone. It isn't words to be uttered losely. The power in those words alone, brought our boys back from the dead in Istanbul.

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And away from home too.

With a ground move possibly looming, Kopites should remember this and walk on with hope in their heart
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success - keep it simple, on the ground, pass-pass-pass

Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.


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Added on March 30, 2011, 1:36 pmguys, Suarez said his other family are more talented and better in football compared to him sweat.gif

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Gerrard is poised to return this weekend. Heck yes! Any news bout kelly? Key players are required in these key moments of the season. BTW gerrard was stripped from his vice captain post for the 3 lions.
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QUOTE(eugene_tan6 @ Mar 30 2011, 02:03 PM)
Gerrard is poised to return this weekend. Heck yes! Any news bout kelly? Key players are required in these key moments of the season. BTW gerrard was stripped from his vice captain post for the 3 lions.
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great news indeed...don't think kelly will be back though.
As for the vice captaincy & captaincy crap has got too stop, i'm still wondering why are their making a big huu-ha for england's captaincy and i frankly couldn't care less who their captain or vice cap't is. Way too much drama for something which is really not that important. Capello must be scratching his head with this nonsense

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On the issue of captaincy, I've always wondered how much influence a captain has on the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe that choice of captain makes a difference but I think you first need the respect of your fellow teammates. In this sense I think a captain is more like a mascott of the team, than it's leader. Decisions are made by the manager after all. A captain should represent the values of your club or country. It is why I've always maintained that captains should have strong, clean reputations on and off the pitch. It's why I feel it was a mistake for Capello to give Terry back the captaincy. Sleeping with a friend's wife/girlfriend is a cardinal sin amongst guys. Gerrard's only blemish was his altercation at the bar but this is in my opinion, acceptable. Guys get into scuffles all the time.

Gerrard epitomises Liverpool Football Club and I can see why he's our captain. I can also see why Carra is our co-captain. I'm not so sure Terry is a shining example after what he did. Yes, we all need to forgive but his image has been tarnished and kids who look up to him as a role model, will know what he did. Unfortunately, I don't think he's a shining example any longer but when you do the crime, you have to do the time.
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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Mar 30 2011, 10:56 AM)
It always doesn't feel right when I don't get my weekly dose of a Liverpool game. Watching England game without Gerrard is no fun for me either.. sad.gif
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Well if you look carefully you can see that Gerrard is actually in the starting line up yesterday biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(farisq @ Mar 30 2011, 02:56 PM)
Well if you look carefully you can see that Gerrard is actually in the starting line up yesterday  biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 30 2011, 02:30 PM)
On the issue of captaincy, I've always wondered how much influence a captain has on the game? Don't get me wrong, I believe that choice of captain makes a difference but I think you first need the respect of your fellow teammates. In this sense I think a captain is more like a mascott of the team, than it's leader. Decisions are made by the manager after all. A captain should represent the values of your club or country. It is why I've always maintained that captains should have strong, clean reputations on and off the pitch. It's why I feel it was a mistake for Capello to give Terry back the captaincy. Sleeping with a friend's wife/girlfriend is a cardinal sin amongst guys. Gerrard's only blemish was his altercation at the bar but this is in my opinion, acceptable. Guys get into scuffles all the time.

Gerrard epitomises Liverpool Football Club and I can see why he's our captain. I can also see why Carra is our co-captain. I'm not so sure Terry is a shining example after what he did. Yes, we all need to forgive but his image has been tarnished and kids who look up to him as a role model, will know what he did. Unfortunately, I don't think he's a shining example any longer but when you do the crime, you have to do the time.
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I dont know what Gerrard does but through my blue tainted eyes, I think Terry is definitely the best candidate to captain England. he did his time, he continues to captain Chelsea and has bring lots of glory to our club. he is definitely one of the best defenders in England if not the best. he brings the ball forward himself if we're trailing and helps in attack. he marshals the defense very well too. if you watch Chelsea games, you should know that Terry barks at players keeping them on their toes even when we're leading by a huge margin.

why would capello want to lose such a defender? he decided to return the captaincy to terry because England has no captain, the captaincy was passed around like a bowl of mashed potatoes. rio is injured, gerrard is injured, and if terry calls it quits, whos going to defend for England? Rio gets injured too often and i dont think the likes of Cahill has the experience.
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oh my.......i just thought of it..........

call me slowpoke, but this weekend we will be playing against RH's team........
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QUOTE(madfag @ Mar 30 2011, 03:14 PM)
I dont know what Gerrard does but through my blue tainted eyes, I think Terry is definitely the best candidate to captain England. he did his time, he continues to captain Chelsea and has bring lots of glory to our club. he is definitely one of the best defenders in England if not the best. he brings the ball forward himself if we're trailing and helps in attack. he marshals the defense very well too. if you watch Chelsea games, you should know that Terry barks at players keeping them on their toes even when we're leading by a huge margin.

why would capello want to lose such a defender? he decided to return the captaincy to terry because England has no captain, the captaincy was passed around like a bowl of mashed potatoes. rio is injured, gerrard is injured, and if terry calls it quits, whos going to defend for England? Rio gets injured too often and i dont think the likes of Cahill has the experience.
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Read my post again. I'm not saying Terry is a crap player. I'm saying that he has tarnished his reputation and image. I also said that in my opinion, a captain should have a clean persona on and off the pitch, because he is seen as a mascot/figurehead of the club or country he represents. You may disagree with my interpretation of what a captain should be and what he represents of course.

Why does reputation and image matter? Well, as captain you need to command respect, from fellow players and fans. I'm sure Terry bleeds blue he's committed to the cause of not just Chelsea but England as well. Pictures of him diving to the ground to get his face in the way of a speeding ball come to mind. I'm sure he takes responsibility of what happens on the pitch very seriously. At the same time however, you have to shoulder some responsibility away from it. You need to realise that as captain, people look up to you as an example.

Who else is there? Well, I don't think it is a valid reason to pick someone, because there is no one else.
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Part of the British obsession with the captaincy surely has it's roots in cricket. In cricket the captain has a hand in team selection, makes important calls such as wether to bat first or bowl first, fielding positions, which bowler to bowl and most importantly when to end an innings. There is an element of strategy, unlike football where the manager makes the calls.
Also, in football, should the team lose, captains seldom get blamed. Cricket is much less forgiving.
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the England fans of rival clubs might have huge problems with what he has done but I dont see any player in the England squad making a fuss about Terry returning as captain.

well, i too dont know what exactly is the impact of a captain in a football team but im sure there is a boost of morale if certain players are captain. no?

hmmmm, then should joe hart be captain? a keeper rarely changes so the arm band doesnt get passed around. i cant think of even one outfield player who cements a spot. even lampard is rumoured to be dropped ahead of wilshere.

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