Hi everyone...


I used to own a manual RX-8 (nice car but very heavy fuel consumption... even more than a 350Z and an Evo) and a Satria GSR stock before I sell off both of the cars, bought a red Kancil and quit my day job to start my own business. My old job is quite ok.. with quite a high salary. But I practically have no life as I will only be on the land for like a week or two before I need to go to my 'workplace' again for 3 whole months. It's not the kind of life I want.




After two years I finally reach the time where I believe I am fully stable.. so I decided it's about time I buy a new car. This time my car of choice is only a Proton. And my pick is Proton Gen.2 CPS (the red coloured one looks very good in my eyes).

Received my car on January... and have been a happy user up until now.




Now I decided to do something to increase the performance of the car (with the emphasis on torque). So I need some suggestion on what I can do?



1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?

2) I'm also looking at increasing the braking power of the car. Been looking at both Brembo and Endless. But I need some idea on the price first. Not to sure where else I can go to do my research so anyone knows if these two a good brand?

3) The new R3 Rims here looks very nice. Is this a lightweight rims or not?? Will changing to these rims affect my performance?

http://www.mudah.my/Sport+Rim+Original+R3+...nze-8773798.htm

4) Turbocharging... is it a good idea? I've heard of Xenon's kit: http://www.camproturbo.com/ . But ofcourse I would prefer an unbiased opinion here first before I head there where the opinions will definitely be 'all good'.





I don't usually do 180km/h above on the highway. In fact my highest speed so far has been only about 160km/h.

What I'm looking at is to increase the overall pick-up of the car. For example when some high-speed cruiser (Mitsubishi Lancer GT or Honda Civic) flashing lights at the back of my car... I like to have the liberty of dropping my gear... have the performance to out run them for like 10 to 20 seconds until I reach 160km/h before changing to left lane and giving them the way (didn't disturb the traffic in anyway by doing this ofcourse unless I'm already at 180km/h... I'll just go to the left lane if the road is clear).



Thanks everyone for the help... and CPS engine is good. I'm glad I decided to give them the chance.

wow... tuning a NA car to so high HP is very expensive bro... Hahaha.. Why not you search the CPS tribe and ask some sifu there..

sure its possible but u need to prepare money for it.mayb around rm3k?
better go N/A as the maintenance for turbo car is high and u need to change to a lower compression piston if not mistaken

1. yes it is possible... cams, port polish, intake, exhaust, remap ecu, etc... it can get u 150bhp.... 150whp is a little hard, but not impossible...

2. if u plans to maintain rim size 16", try get small 4pot brakes.... IMO, 4pot is good enough for even track use... evo twinpot would also be a good choice....

3. not sure its lightweight or not... but its not made by Advanti... so, i think it weighs more or less like other similar sports rim... lightweight rims do improve performance, especially during acceleration... slightly heavier rims gives better stability at high speed (above 180kmh)... remember to use good tyres....

4. turbocharging is an all together new chapter adi... bolt on turbo for campro engines used to be highly not recommended as campro internals aint very strong, even in NA terms.... design flaw i would say.... since its ur daily car, i would suggest to keep it naturally aspirated, do some mild mods... make it fun to drive while maintaining reliability... no point having a monster engine but having all sorts of reliability problem....

NA
Port and polish head, change to mild/hi camshaft (matspeed or works eng.) and piggyback/ems to tune

for turbo, 0.5/0.6 bar is alright as claimed by most ppl, with stock internals. tuning is important. need pigyback or other ems for this

This post has been edited by xshiro: Mar 18 2011, 12:51 PM

i thought oem gen2 rims are 15"?

intake, exhaust, pnp head, high profile cams, adj cam pulley, lightened crank pulley, adj fuel regulator, better fuel pump, bigger cc injector, remap ecu or piggyback (unichip enuf already), lightweight 15", change final drive, bla bla bla the list goes on..

you like the red? why not neo cps R3? just a wee bit more modding to get 150bhp..

I'd say that,

Campro wouldnt last if turbocharged at high horsies as the crankshaft would break.

To attain 150hp is easy with campro provided you do it the right way and you have the dough.

Start off with the minor things like tuned exhaust system and air intake. From there, you'll have more air going in and out of the engine and you'll need more fuel (touch this later).

One or two of the campro I seen did rebore/polish up their throttle body and the response was marvellous. Kindly talk to a person called reef_d in this forum.

Another thing I saw in some cars were also high cams, well... not too high until erratic idling. Port and polish will also definitely help.
And then, only you add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for more fuel. Better if unichip.

From the above mods, you can clearly see that you're sticking to the basics, more air in, more air out. Thats all you need.

As for the spark plugs, just stick to stock ones, or get the side-gapped ones from the_catacombs to squeeze out that lil bit of extra power and to burn the extra air and fuel completely .

Keeping the engine clean is also important.

To compliment the high cams (that is if you put la), you can get a set of Adjustable Cam pulleys to bring the powerband forward for higher torque, or push the pwoerband far backwords for better top end. You can refer to Drex Chan of EA Autoworks for this. Twin cam engines work best with adjustable cam pulleys.

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Added on March 18, 2011, 2:30 pmAs for the braking system, steel braided hose and uprated pads may just do the trick

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Mar 18 2011, 02:30 PM

What does steel braided hose functions as?

Got picture?

steel braided brake hoses prevent hose expansion especially when the brake fluid is hot so the driver does not lose brake feel.

how can u compare performance 1.6 with 2.0 gt & civic..

RM 3k?? Seriously?? That's very cheap if I can attain 150bhp from 125bhp..


So large heavy rims do have its advantage.. thanks for the info.

I try my best not to go the turbocharged route... kind of afraid of maintenance and reliability issue.

Thanks for the information... these are golds.


I would you know.. only problem is I got my car in January this year.. while the new Neo CPS was just announced about last couple of weeks.

I don't think it is a wise decision to trade a 3 months old car for something else.


And the idea of increasing my engine performance from 125bhp to 150bhp came after Proton Satria Neo R3 CPS specs are out.
Previously I wanted to ask if it is possible to make my engine exactly like Satria Neo R3 CPS (145bhp with 168Nm). And I found out Proton R3 do have a performance package for Satria Neo to increase the performance... kind of like R3 Satria Neo CPS.

Only thing is the price... almost RM 10,000. I figured with this much budget I probably could get an even better juice from my CPS engine if I ask here first before deciding on the performance kit from R3 or Xenon Turbocharge kit.


It's just a benchmark buddy.. that's the closest I could think of if I were to aim for performance upgrade. No use comparing an apple with another apple in my case as why would I even need a performance upgrade if it's within the same range of performance.

The only thing I can think that is on level with CPS engine is probably Honda City and Toyota Vios. The next stage might be a 1.8 engine and then 2.0s (Civic and Lancer GT).

Just my 2 cents though.. if you do have any suggestion shoot them up.. I'm all ears

first off, really respect you for making a life changing choice in terms of career, hope you are happy enjoy life more now. btw, were you in oil & gas before this?

secondly, i think it would be wise to stick to the NA route for reliability sake.
150hp should be attainable. the R3 mods are at a premium price perhaps you can source parts from other brands. as far as i know, there is a shop called dori-dori autoworks in shah alam that is pretty famous for campro mods.
or, you can try searching for a forum member named maddrive on lowyat. he owns a workshop and would be able to advise you in detail on what mods are needed, and also quote a figure for your consideration.

and finally, yes the r3 rims are really good looking. based on the r3 website, they claim it is lightweight.

Last week I saw a mildly mod Satria Neo Campro with port n polish, high camshaft, high compression piston and unichip piggyback making 169bhp, 190Nm..

are u farking serious?

I drooled at 190Nm

Yup.. a true story..

i guess port n polish rm1000+ , high cam rm2000+ , unichi p maybe 2k ,piston maybe 1-2k , na exhaust rm1k,open pod 500.


for 8k u can turbo with exhaust system.

This post has been edited by dantck: Mar 18 2011, 04:05 PM

drool no more

manual pickup better,gt chance.

This post has been edited by dantck: Mar 18 2011, 04:15 PM

one step at a time bro. You do it all at one time power is pwoer, but you don feel your money worth spent. Do the thing with the least results first

1. air filter
2. exhaust
3. polish throttle body
4. port n polish + fuel reg or unichip
5. high cams

1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?
yes, u can... but performance to cost for N/A far higher than turbocharging... RM10k for N/A around 140whp - 150whp... RM8k for turbo u get 180whp, spend 2k for full UR bar set (around RM1.5k for full set)...

2) I'm also looking at increasing the braking power of the car. Been looking at both Brembo and Endless. But I need some idea on the price first. Not to sure where else I can go to do my research so anyone knows if these two a good brand?
change to better aftermarket disc and caliper.. there're many available for proton campro

3) The new R3 Rims here looks very nice. Is this a lightweight rims or not?? Will changing to these rims affect my performance?

http://www.mudah.my/Sport+Rim+Original+R3+...nze-8773798.htm
it's cheaper to buy non-R3 product, but if u hav the money and realli like it, why not?

4) Turbocharging... is it a good idea? I've heard of Xenon's kit: http://www.camproturbo.com/ . But ofcourse I would prefer an unbiased opinion here first before I head there where the opinions will definitely be 'all good'.
i've spend 1 month to explore the whole camproturbo forum and asking around about it. and i cant find any other brand that can deliver such a good package for S4PE/S4PH... they hav name in the campro mod arena... u can ask around and meet the customer in person to get their testimonial... xenon's customers r friendly and they willing to help and explain if we need it... and xenon's package comes with 1 year warranty...

p/s: actually i shud hav mine installed last week but since i hav some urgent pc supply project, i used my camproturbo money 1st, payment in 2 weeks time and then i will cont again my project...

ppl may see my post as fanboism and biased... i juz wanna share wat i know...

This post has been edited by omara86: Mar 18 2011, 04:28 PM

Port&polish RM950, Mild High Cam RM1600, 2nd hand Unichip+Tuning RM1400(if not emanage w/ tuning RM1350), piston set RM600, NA exhaust not more than RM600. Then full campro Turbo BOT cost not more than RM5000. Please survey before blindly guessing...

And minor correction..this car don't do it's pistons..still the same piston.

Yes the price could be expensive than turbo sytem but NA is the best for campro while no campro engine survive in good flying colour with Turbo bolt-on.

This post has been edited by b48753: Mar 18 2011, 05:40 PM

That is roughly around 135WHP and 15++kg of wheel torque which is exactly correct

This post has been edited by shinjite: Mar 18 2011, 05:20 PM

Actually it's making 150whp...

Means it will be more than 169HP on engine~~
Definitely the cams are damn high

Since u have the gen2.. why not join the www.gen2club.com forum ... can gain info & members from there..

here is the dyno from 1 of the members.. NA



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Yo, what was the rpm like?

dunno.. maybe the owner can explain how.. or kept his secret.. he's also /k/

see if he notice this thread

Actual whp is 153, while bhp 169..coz it's manual tranny

If you want you can drive to R3 and they can mod for you with quality parts and a proper job

dude...that pic is a hoax...originally it was 82.1whp i photoshopped it to let the joke runs within our circle ONLY...

this is the original pic



he got that result from a wrongly tuned standalone...

9.5% loss? That is low indeed....wonder what kind of manual tranny is he using?

Yes.. sort of. The pay is good but you practically have no life at all.

I am thinking the same thing. I would very much prefer the N/A route for now.

I've heard of the Dori-Dori Autoworks...
The problem though is that I live in Bandar Bahru, Kedah. It's a bit far to go to Dori-Dori Autoworks or any other shops in Selangor and Kuala Lumpur.

If I were to go there... I'd prefer took a week off.. go there have a holiday for a day or two.. and have it done all at the same time. This way I won't have to continuously go to KL whenever I want to add something.

Thanks for the recommendation though.. appreciate it

Seriously?? So this car do have the potential for almost 200Nm... and a healthy 169bhp on N/A. That's good to know. Thanks for the input.


I am going to assume that you are talking about Xenon's Turbokit??

You sure his turbocharging kit complete set ready to drive on the road is only RM8,000?? I heard it goes all the way up to RM 12,000 and RM 13,000 complete with everything (management etc so the reliability issues won't appear later). Or is it RM 8,000 without management??


Seriously dude??

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Added on March 18, 2011, 6:47 pmwow.. what did he do on his car??

This post has been edited by Fendizy85: Mar 18 2011, 06:47 PM

Fendizy85, I've listed what has been just now..infact this car was tuned by Dori-Dori..I am the friend of the Dori-Dori owner cum his agent lols..

For your info the Campro engine can't run over 7500rpm cause the spring valve can't take it. Even running with special tuned sring also will give problems later on the engine head (the spring will touch on engine head wall) which is hazardrous to engine later.

This post has been edited by b48753: Mar 18 2011, 07:04 PM

@Fendizy85 - xenon quoted me RM6k for camproturbo complete set, I add another RM2k for management, planning to get haltech interceptor piggyback, around RM1.5k only... 2nd hand around RM800... My budget is RM10k, including UR bar set and brake upgrade...

As for the reliability, i asked so many of his previous customer.. from exora, waja campro, gen2, persona, satria and saga... all of them giving positive feedback, some of them used it for 2 yrs alrdy, driving KL - Penang every week, KL - T'ganu... they convoy KL - Perlis...

there are cases of phailed project, but it's not Xenon's fault, because the customer install xenon's set, and after few month, wanna push more power, doing own mod and setting at other workshop without xenon's knowledge.. when something bad happened, kantoi..

the bolt on turbo from xenon is not the same for every car, customize set for every customer, that's why they call their package as xenon camproturbo instead of xenon bolt on turbo, because they're specialize in campro... eventho the same model, he applied diff setting, depend on what do u want in ur car... when u approach him, he will do a short interview to determine what kind of setting to be done...

some workshop do offer cheap setup, RM3.5k can get alrdy, but u will become the bengkel's lab rat... the camproturbo boost from 0.4 - 0.7 for default engine component... no other modification needed, stock piston, crank, injector, everything... juz install the package and get ur own management (piggyback or standalone)... the most recommended is Haltech Sprint 500, but gila mahal, for piggyback, Haltech Interceptor is no. 1 in the list..

This post has been edited by omara86: Mar 18 2011, 07:42 PM

The turbo kit is together with internal part eg. forged piston etc.?

nope, no internal modification needed, unless u really wanna go for real racing performance which is diff package... i cant explain so much here later ppl will say i promote kaw2... i juz wanna share the good thing by our local ppl... for more info.. go to the website/forum --> http://www.camproturbo.com

edit: btw sori for short incomplete reply in the quoted text... i was typing in my iphone until i find it very annoying to type very long text, i juz post it short and cont typing from pc... sori, heheheheh...

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Added on March 18, 2011, 7:56 pmthese are the cars which running xenon camproturbo with stock engine internal part...
by the look ppl wont know they hav monster's heart inside...

Waja CPS


Satria Neo CPS


Gen2


Exora


This post has been edited by omara86: Mar 18 2011, 08:03 PM

1) Is it possible to increase my car's performance up to 150bhp without turbocharging? Which one is more cost effective.. turbocharging or N/A?
YES,you can get 150bhp on campro + N/A
The highest power i had saw is N/A Gen 2 which make 190bhp
Bolt On car(header,exhaust,intake,unichip piggyback) will net you about 140bhp or so
While cam will bring it more or less 155bhp
Then VTEC Intake Manifold(B Series one) will net 170bhp or so


This post has been edited by OC4/3: Mar 18 2011, 08:40 PM

That waja is running 180hp on standalone.

BOT with 0.5 - 0.7 bar boost will give out 170 - 180 whp bro...

wah, my long post disappeared?

Wat u post?

ahh, found it.

I'd say that,

Campro wouldnt last if turbocharged at high horsies as the crankshaft would break.

To attain 150hp is easy with campro provided you do it the right way and you have the dough.

Start off with the minor things like tuned exhaust system and air intake. From there, you'll have more air going in and out of the engine and you'll need more fuel (touch this later).

One or two of the campro I seen did rebore/polish up their throttle body and the response was marvellous. Kindly talk to a person called reef_d in this forum.

Another thing I saw in some cars were also high cams, well... not too high until erratic idling. Port and polish will also definitely help.
And then, only you add an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for more fuel. Better if unichip.

From the above mods, you can clearly see that you're sticking to the basics, more air in, more air out. Thats all you need.

As for the spark plugs, just stick to stock ones, or get the side-gapped ones from the_catacombs to squeeze out that lil bit of extra power and to burn the extra air and fuel completely .

Keeping the engine clean is also important.

To compliment the high cams (that is if you put la), you can get a set of Adjustable Cam pulleys to bring the powerband forward for higher torque, or push the pwoerband far backwords for better top end. You can refer to Drex Chan of EA Autoworks for this. Twin cam engines work best with adjustable cam pulleys.

Added on March 18, 2011, 2:30 pmAs for the braking system, steel braided hose and uprated pads may just do the trick

Last time when i was active with this 1 performance crazy group for satria neo campro around shah alam area, there is 1 guy all out modifed his campro engine and he managed to get 200++ hp on engine, not more than 220hp la. Not sure if dori2 ppl or not. But the $$ involved is crazy..This is what i hear they borak2 during TT. Someone did confirm this to me recently...

Did anyone know the hp figures for works engineering campro?Using 4 throttle somemore. Sure high hp also...



This post has been edited by senbe84: Mar 19 2011, 12:38 AM

whoa, more air in more air out. huge horses there

Personally never witness any Campro Turbo dyno before
The number i mentioned is something i witnessed back in 09

if really wanna enjoy pick up kaw2, maybe u could try mivec ck gearbox which have 4.6 final drive.CPS gbox final drive is 4.3.That might increase ur pick up a bit.If not enough, try 4.8 @ 5.0 custom final drive. That one sure kaw2 pick up but top speed had to be sacrified la for sure.

If compared to vtec, their torque is not that high as compared to hp figures, but due to their crazy gearbox, the ratio can compensate the low torque. Ppl always say vtec is so nice but without their crazy gearbox ratio, i dont think they can be so famous.

Yup, agree with that, if depend solely on the engine, especially b16a, thy engine was famous for the torqueless engine, need to rev kaw2 to get torque..

Yeah exactly....short stroke engines promotes high revving

that car HP is not that high... and it is not daily drivable.... the low end torque is totally crap....
anything below 5.5k rpm, walk also faster... literally

Yo bro, how much is the WHP of the Works Engineering Campro?

The art is to get a flatter torque curve for daily driving

Is it because there's no long air runners for the intake manifold?

I also never know about the works campro hp figures,can someone who know's share their figures..Surely some had seen dat campro b4.

Even 4g15 with 4 throttle also can compete with mild modified 4g92, i dont think it would be dat weak..Just my 27 cent...

I have decided to hold my project for upgrading the performance of my car for now. Want to wait until Exora Turbo comes out mid this year / end of this year... and see if R3 or anything is going to make an upgrade package for normal CPS / Campro engine like the one they are having with the Neo R3 Performance package (the one with the price range of RM 10,000+ something).

In the mean time... I will look for a meet-up with Gen 2 CPS turbocharged owners and see their feedback. Might join a TT or two with local Gen 2 club members if I can find the time as well.


Thanks everyone for the feedback in this thread.. and sorry for the late reply... I'm a bit busy lately (a lot of stuff to manage and handle )

Proton = turbo (but not BOT) it's built on the engine
Main purpose
- increase torque (as u know 1.6 in exora is really underpower
- Improve FC
(mostly will out next year in Q1)

R3 = Supercharge this is bolt on but the price is PRICY (around 10k~16k)
- without inter cooler (weight reduce) as claim by the vendor the one they develop now no need intercooler
- targeting about 17x~18x whp and 2xx torque
(next year too, but will be late most probably after Q1)




This post has been edited by kambing69: Aug 17 2011, 07:50 PM

aiya , for campro engine , just turbocharged your car .

be prepare for frequent maintainance and high fuel consumption

anyone heard of dk tuning? i heard that the campro cps can be tuned up to about 130bhp/140bhp with a remap. anyone done this before?

http://www.dktuning.com/home.htm

i assume red colour is auto,so power loss even more.even harder...

CAI, agressive cam, tuning, full exhaust system from manifold to back, bigger throttle body, port and polish,