got intake this year? i thought UTM intake is close for this year? i'm starting to get old enough to not waste time btw,thanks for answering Mr.azarimy ...i've been reading from page 1 and my gosh...the more i read..the more i'm confused...haha...but no that dont stop me i guess my only option is UTM or Shahputra then. A question though...i can basically do the diploma in any ipts and apply for degree in UTM no? or does twinning with UTM gives me higher chances to enter UTM/equal chance as UTM diploma holders? because they(shahputra) said that doing the twinning diploma there means 'your a part of UTM student as well' your best opinion Mr.azarimy? i really want to not do the LAM exams individually/separately.

*just a question out of box...What is an oculus?*

This post has been edited by yuvanraj: Sep 13 2011, 12:21 PM

just a normal assistant architect

you have a point there..
its just kinda mixed up right now since a new generation uses metric and at the same time we still have seniors with imperial

intake has passed (june 2011).

yes, u can take the IPTS diploma path. however, we have yet to see any good performing students coming from IPTS into UTM. in our record, none have every qualified.

although twinnings dont necessarily mean u have better chance, but it does mean more credit transfers than the rest.

and finally, shahputra have been marketing that their students are UTM students. honestly, they are not. well not yet, anyways .

Don't sweat on it; this is Architecture History 101 subject.

An Oculus is basically a historical feature of a building; it is commonly found as an opening in the marble Dome architecture of Ancient European Classical Architecture;

The feature usually accommodates a "mezzanine space" (surrounded by decorative wrought iron or marble balustrades) directly below the top of the marble Dome (in the interior facing side of the dome). In addition, a dome "lantern" or "Cupola" surrounded by colonnades (or multiple rows/clusters of stone columns) or windows, located "right at the top of the Dome" itself, and usually constructed with high quality marble stonework as well; this is also a common accommodating feature of the "Oculus". (Usually with carved out decorative marble stone stairways leading up/down from the mezzanine floor-way itself as well.) In St. Paul's Cathedral, England (being a huge Baroque architecture style building by itself), the space of the dome itself even contains a large-broad ornamented marble spiral stairway leading all the way up to a private library-gallery space above... (You can also find such similar features in other classical building types in Russia & other European countries such as in France & Italy just to name a few...)

Architecture History itself is a very interesting & fascinating subject indeed, and there is just lacking an adequate amount of books concerning the various topics in it; in greater-depth, notably in the libraries of colleges/universities. (Yet we also have many architecture students complaining & "questioning" the point/relevance of studying Western Architecture History in the very first place... Where there is also the lacking in emphasis on this particular subject in general.)

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Sep 13 2011, 10:29 PM

ohw..thanks for the info Mr.azarimy, okay...i've got some financial problems after i finished my SPM..so i worked in admin for a architecture firm so i derived some info and knowledge from watching those big shots *they always wear sunglasses as if their trademark* back to topic...that added my interest of course,based on your observation i just wanna know if I'm even qualified to study architectural (i love drawing but my drawing skills are like amateur/got like 8 credits in SPM including bio and agricultural science/did 5 career test online and all came to a conclusion that architecture is most suitable for me/the fact that architecture is not a routine job(by means of job scope) will not bore in years to come/all that adrenaline rush is just my thing and i often try my best in finding flaws in a building(just to please myself) Also,right now what could be my best option in pursuing the studies based on your opinion? *btw taylor's so expensive i think like 10x compared to Shahputra*

if u arent willing to go through SPM, then ur choice will be limited to diplomas. excluding polytechnics, UTM is the only IPTA offering diploma in architecture. so ur choice will be very limited here, as the competition for that diploma is nothing short than life-threatening.

but if u're open to ur choices, polytechnics are a good bet. their diploma is recognized by most IPTAs for 2nd year intake. if not, then they'd be good enough for u to at least come in at 1st year. hey, as long as u dont have to go through STPM, right?

other than that, u have the IPTS. and as u are aware, they can be very expensive, and some not recognized at all.

Thanks for the info Benjamin btw,since your a student of taylor's and into ipts thingy...based on your observations,which ipts you think is the most affordable/quality wise lecturer,facilities n etc? i don't mind going far

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Added on September 14, 2011, 2:05 amso i just get into a polytec and do architectural related diploma and apply UTM for degree? is that a better chance of getting into UTM? btw,what are some recognized polytechs or the one you heard being good?thanks Mr.azarimy for wasting your precious time answering this noob

This post has been edited by yuvanraj: Sep 14 2011, 02:05 AM

from our perspective, all polytechnics are equal. so just choose whichever most convenient for u.

as for the chances, well UTM diploma will have almost 95% chance of continuing for their degree here. but it's crazy hard to get in (via diploma). fortunately for u, polytechnic diplomas will not compete with the UTM diploma, as UTM diploma comes in at 3rd year, while the poly dip at 2nd year. so different intakes there.

pheww...good thing ...since I'm from shah alam...might you know any good polytech's around here?...

Dear yuvanraj;

Studying in an IPTS (in general) involves a lot of money compared to an IPTA; especially when it comes to a course like Architecture. In this course, you will also generally be spending quite a lot of money on your materials, medias, & stationary as such (just like in an Art & Design course). So if money is an issue, then you may like to rule out the IPTS. However, if money is not an issue, then feel free to pursue this course in a private institution like Taylors University, Limkokwing University of Creative Technology (also known as LUCT), UCSI (University), and Alfa College (formerly known as Aliff College).

However, just keep in mind that Taylors University no longer offers a Diploma in Architecture anymore. (You will go for their Part 1 Degree in Architecture instead.)

LUCT (Limkokwing University) offers a Diploma, Part 1 Degree, as well as the Part 2 Degree in Architecture as well. (None of the other IPTS offers the Part 2 Degree at the present, except for this particular private institution LUCT.)

Feel free to check out the respective official websites of these private institutions (IPTS) to get more information about their respective Architecture programs.

Next would be the issue of accreditation (for this country of Malaysia); where none of the private institutions (IPTS) have the accreditation status currently. (This could be an issue if you would like to practice Architecture in this country after completing the course, however, it will not be an issue if you practice this profession in oversea countries.)

The LAM - PAM accreditation does not apply to the Diploma programs.

The private institutions offers their respective foundation program for O-Level/SPM level students to gain entry into their respective architecture degree program without A-Levels/STPM level.

But all IPTA does not offer foundation programs (except UIAM/IIUM); where the STPM is required of Malaysian students, and the A-Levels from international students.



The IPTA (public government universities) are much more affordable compared to the IPTS, and both Part 1 & Part 2 Degrees are accredited by LAM - PAM. However, the big disadvantage is that the competition is very fierce, where it is very challenging to secure a place. (There are many students competing for a place; it can be as many as 3000+ students competing for just 30 places in just one intake alone, and there is only just one intake per-year compared to the multiple-intakes per-year of the private institutions.)

Finally, once you are accepted into an IPTA, you are also expected to perform consistently up to the mark (it is not going to be easy); where failing to perform up to the mark in a consistent manner will get you kicked out, and be replaced by another (more eligible) student. (The Society matters over an Individual in an IPTA.)

Just be informed that you will also need to stay out (away from home) if you are studying in an IPTA; this is because all of the IPTA campuses (except UM & UTM KL) are all located away from the main city, and situated in the more rural regions & suburbs; far away & isolated. In contrast, all of the private institutions (except LUCT) are located in the main city; close to your home. (Ultimately, it primarily depends on where you are staying as well, or the location of your home.) The IPTA also require all 1st year students to stay in the hostel of the campus, and use the public transportation system; not being allowed to use your own private vehicle (in the 1st year).

But, you will also "most likely" need to stay in the hostel too, at (Limkokwing University Cyberjaya) if you would like to study there; however, the big difference is that the new hostel building at LUCT is totally brand new right now, and the new rooms are also big, fully furnished, + with attached personal bathroom (as such, you do not have to share your room & toilet with anyone). (However, you will have to pay quite a significant amount for the good accommodation & services at LUCT...)

Similarly at Taylors University (if you ever have to stay in the hostel), everything is brand new & clean as well. The accommodation is great with options for single en-suite rooms with attached personal bathrooms (with no sharing with anyone at all); but as usual, you will have to pay for the good quality accommodation too. (In short, you will have to pay "quite a significant amount" for the otherwise much "better" accommodation facilities & services available at these private institutions; including SEGI University's new campus as well.) Taylors new "commercial building" offers all of the necessaries ever needed; which made it so convenient for the students staying in the hostel or even the new Hotel... (But things can be rather expensive in there...)

[These are primarily the pros & cons of studying in an IPTA or IPTS.]


Other basic information concerning Architecture can be found at the beginning of this thread.

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Sep 14 2011, 04:44 AM

thanks for the info benjamin so in terms of comparing all those ipts you mentioned above...can you outline which ipts is the most affordable and good in terms of quality wise..? ohw yea...since your doing it in taylor's...how much is the total fee for deg in arch and amount of loan given to you(just roughly no need to be precise) ? though i'm planning to do diploma first so that when doing degree i'll be familiar with the whole concept and studies.since you said LUCT provides degree part 1 and 2 does that mean upon completing both i can take my LAM exam part 1 and 2 individually or once degree part 1 finish..i gotta take LAM part 1 in order to go for degree part 2?

there will be a students exhibition organized by PAM, to be held between 3-9 October 2011 in One Utama Shopping Center. Most of the major schools are participating. if u're interested in architecture, come!

Thanks. It's one of my dream to be architect

What ur opinion regarding Industrial Building System as course... does it good?? Btw USM offering this new course as new elective.. Pls.. I need opinion ASAP.. thank you...

ok so i've sort things out thanks to Mr.Azarimy's info. Imma join Geomatika college for diploma in architecture this month and then off to UTM or twintech for bachelor's...excited like never before all sifu's of architecture do bless me

Hi.. im new here.
Been browsing and very impressed with the thread. Been discussed for many year. Congrats to Azarimy.

I saw a thread by Benjamin911 on 2008 asking a noob question on architecture. Now here u r giving info for others on architectural studies.. kudos to Benjamin also.

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Added on September 17, 2011, 12:41 pmMay i know what is UTM master part 2. Not the same as UTM Degree part 2?.

This post has been edited by rizts: Sep 17 2011, 12:41 PM

UTM degree part 2 will not be offered anymore beginning next year. the current degree part 2 students will be phased off until everyone's gone .

in its place is the new masters part 2 programme. all new students going into UTM will sign up for the 3+2 programme. if u have a part 1, u can qualify for the masters part 2. professionally, it is equivalent to any part 2 programme. but academically, their research proportion is bigger.

thanks for this useful info..they have more detail about this on PAM website right?

they should. but i havent seen any.

do anyone have any idea about any scholarship for Postgraduate Architecture programme...if possible overseas..if yes..then what is the requirement for it?...thank you..

I am already in my last year of my Part 1...