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yuvanraj
post Sep 13 2011, 10:28 AM

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icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif hello all smile.gif ..ok i've got a problem...i'm really interested in doing architecture....soo...i wanna do my diploma first (stpm is not an option since i'm 20 years old) is there any colleges like Shahputra that's offering diploma in architecture(utm) or any college twinning with UTM? i really wanna continue my degree in UTM... UTM is the best place to study architecture and i have no doubts about it... any kind soul to help me out? ohw yea....reason for not going choosing shahputra is because it's way to far from my place *shah alam* wub.gif plus the intake i think (not sure) is next year cry.gif .I feel like wanna enroll right away biggrin.gif *Architecture, of all the arts, is the one which acts the most slowly, but the most surely, on the soul. - Ernest Dimnet* icon_rolleyes.gif

yuvanraj
post Sep 13 2011, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 13 2011, 11:37 AM)
as far as i know, shahputra is the only college running twinning with UTM. twintech have discontinued and are now running their own programme.

why not try diploma in UTM directly?
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got intake this year? i thought UTM intake is close for this year? sweat.gif i'm starting to get old enough to not waste time biggrin.gif btw,thanks for answering Mr.azarimy ...i've been reading from page 1 and my gosh...the more i read..the more i'm confused...haha...but no that dont stop me flex.gif i guess my only option is UTM or Shahputra then. rclxub.gif A question though...i can basically do the diploma in any ipts and apply for degree in UTM no? or does twinning with UTM gives me higher chances to enter UTM/equal chance as UTM diploma holders? because they(shahputra) said that doing the twinning diploma there means 'your a part of UTM student as well' your best opinion Mr.azarimy? i really want to not do the LAM exams individually/separately.

*just a question out of box...What is an oculus?* sweat.gif

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yuvanraj
post Sep 14 2011, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 13 2011, 04:56 PM)
intake has passed (june 2011).

yes, u can take the IPTS diploma path. however, we have yet to see any good performing students coming from IPTS into UTM. in our record, none have every qualified.

although twinnings dont necessarily mean u have better chance, but it does mean more credit transfers than the rest.

and finally, shahputra have been marketing that their students are UTM students. honestly, they are not. well not yet, anyways wink.gif.
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ohw..thanks for the info Mr.azarimy, okay...i've got some financial problems after i finished my SPM..so i worked in admin for a architecture firm so i derived some info and knowledge from watching those big shots cool2.gif *they always wear sunglasses as if their trademark* biggrin.gif back to topic...that added my interest of course,based on your observation i just wanna know if I'm even qualified to study architectural (i love drawing but my drawing skills are like amateur/got like 8 credits in SPM including bio and agricultural science/did 5 career test online and all came to a conclusion that architecture is most suitable for me/the fact that architecture is not a routine job(by means of job scope) will not bore in years to come/all that adrenaline rush is just my thing and i often try my best in finding flaws in a building(just to please myself) biggrin.gif Also,right now what could be my best option in pursuing the studies based on your opinion? *btw taylor's so expensive mad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif i think like 10x compared to Shahputra* icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 14 2011, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Sep 13 2011, 10:25 PM)
Don't sweat on it; this is Architecture History 101 subject. wink.gif

An Oculus is basically a historical feature of a building; it is commonly found as an opening in the marble Dome architecture of Ancient European Classical Architecture;

The feature usually accommodates a "mezzanine space" (surrounded by decorative wrought iron or marble balustrades) directly below the top of the marble Dome (in the interior facing side of the dome). In addition, a dome "lantern" or "Cupola" surrounded by colonnades (or multiple rows/clusters of stone columns) or windows, located "right at the top of the Dome" itself, and usually constructed with high quality marble stonework as well; this is also a common accommodating feature of the "Oculus". (Usually with carved out decorative marble stone stairways leading up/down from the mezzanine floor-way itself as well.) In St. Paul's Cathedral, England (being a huge Baroque architecture style building by itself), the space of the dome itself even contains a large-broad ornamented marble spiral stairway leading all the way up to a private library-gallery space above... (You can also find such similar features in other classical building types in Russia & other European countries such as in France & Italy just to name a few...)

Architecture History itself is a very interesting & fascinating subject indeed, and there is just lacking an adequate amount of books concerning the various topics in it; in greater-depth, notably in the libraries of colleges/universities. (Yet we also have many architecture students complaining & "questioning" the point/relevance of studying Western Architecture History in the very first place... Where there is also the lacking in emphasis on this particular subject in general.)

Regards.
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Thanks for the info Benjamin biggrin.gif btw,since your a student of taylor's and into ipts thingy...based on your observations,which ipts you think is the most affordable/quality wise lecturer,facilities n etc? i don't mind going far smile.gif


Added on September 14, 2011, 2:05 am
QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 14 2011, 01:52 AM)
if u arent willing to go through SPM, then ur choice will be limited to diplomas. excluding polytechnics, UTM is the only IPTA offering diploma in architecture. so ur choice will be very limited here, as the competition for that diploma is nothing short than life-threatening.

but if u're open to ur choices, polytechnics are a good bet. their diploma is recognized by most IPTAs for 2nd year intake. if not, then they'd be good enough for u to at least come in at 1st year. hey, as long as u dont have to go through STPM, right?

other than that, u have the IPTS. and as u are aware, they can be very expensive, and some not recognized at all.
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so i just get into a polytec and do architectural related diploma and apply UTM for degree? is that a better chance of getting into UTM? btw,what are some recognized polytechs or the one you heard being good?thanks Mr.azarimy for wasting your precious time answering this noob laugh.gif

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post Sep 14 2011, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 14 2011, 02:11 AM)
from our perspective, all polytechnics are equal. so just choose whichever most convenient for u.

as for the chances, well UTM diploma will have almost 95% chance of continuing for their degree here. but it's crazy hard to get in (via diploma). fortunately for u, polytechnic diplomas will not compete with the UTM diploma, as UTM diploma comes in at 3rd year, while the poly dip at 2nd year. so different intakes there.
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pheww...good thing rclxms.gif ...since I'm from shah alam...might you know any good polytech's around here?... drool.gif
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post Sep 14 2011, 04:39 AM

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QUOTE(Benjamin911 @ Sep 14 2011, 03:13 AM)
Dear yuvanraj;

Studying in an IPTS (in general) involves a lot of money compared to an IPTA; especially when it comes to a course like Architecture. In this course, you will also generally be spending quite a lot of money on your materials, medias, & stationary as such (just like in an Art & Design course). So if money is an issue, then you may like to rule out the IPTS. However, if money is not an issue, then feel free to pursue this course in a private institution like Taylors University, Limkokwing University of Creative Technology (also known as LUCT), UCSI (University), and Alfa College (formerly known as Aliff College).

However, just keep in mind that Taylors University no longer offers a Diploma in Architecture anymore. (You will go for their Part 1 Degree in Architecture instead.)

LUCT (Limkokwing University) offers a Diploma, Part 1 Degree, as well as the Part 2 Degree in Architecture as well. (None of the other IPTS offers the Part 2 Degree at the present, except for this particular private institution LUCT.)

Feel free to check out the respective official websites of these private institutions (IPTS) to get more information about their respective Architecture programs.

Next would be the issue of accreditation (for this country of Malaysia); where none of the private institutions (IPTS) have the accreditation status currently. (This could be an issue if you would like to practice Architecture in this country after completing the course, however, it will not be an issue if you practice this profession in oversea countries.)

The LAM - PAM accreditation does not apply to the Diploma programs.

The private institutions offers their respective foundation program for O-Level/SPM level students to gain entry into their respective architecture degree program without A-Levels/STPM level.

But all IPTA does not offer foundation programs (except UIAM/IIUM); where the STPM is required of Malaysian students, and the A-Levels from international students.
The IPTA (public government universities) are much more affordable compared to the IPTS, and both Part 1 & Part 2 Degrees are accredited by LAM - PAM. However, the big disadvantage is that the competition is very fierce, where it is very challenging to secure a place. (There are many students competing for a place; it can be as many as 3000+ students competing for just 30 places in just one intake alone, and there is only just one intake per-year compared to the multiple-intakes per-year of the private institutions.)

Finally, once you are accepted into an IPTA, you are also expected to perform consistently up to the mark (it is not going to be easy); where failing to perform up to the mark in a consistent manner will get you kicked out, and be replaced by another (more eligible) student. (The Society matters over an Individual in an IPTA.)

Just be informed that you will also need to stay out (away from home) if you are studying in an IPTA; this is because all of the IPTA campuses (except UM & UTM KL) are all located away from the main city, and situated in the more rural regions & suburbs; far away & isolated. In contrast, all of the private institutions (except LUCT) are located in the main city; close to your home. (Ultimately, it primarily depends on where you are staying as well, or the location of your home.) The IPTA also require all 1st year students to stay in the hostel of the campus, and use the public transportation system; not being allowed to use your own private vehicle (in the 1st year).

But, you will also "most likely" need to stay in the hostel too, at (Limkokwing University Cyberjaya) if you would like to study there; however, the big difference is that the new hostel building at LUCT is totally brand new right now, and the new rooms are also big, fully furnished, + with attached personal bathroom (as such, you do not have to share your room & toilet with anyone). (However, you will have to pay quite a significant amount for the good accommodation & services at LUCT...)

Similarly at Taylors University (if you ever have to stay in the hostel), everything is brand new & clean as well. The accommodation is great with options for single en-suite rooms with attached personal bathrooms (with no sharing with anyone at all); but as usual, you will have to pay for the good quality accommodation too. (In short, you will have to pay "quite a significant amount" for the otherwise much "better" accommodation facilities & services available at these private institutions; including SEGI University's new campus as well.)

[These are primarily the pros & cons of studying in an IPTA or IPTS.]
Other basic information concerning Architecture can be found at the beginning of this thread.

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thanks for the info benjamin smile.gif so in terms of comparing all those ipts you mentioned above...can you outline which ipts is the most affordable and good in terms of quality wise..? ohw yea...since your doing it in taylor's...how much is the total fee for deg in arch and amount of loan given to you(just roughly no need to be precise) smile.gif ? though i'm planning to do diploma first so that when doing degree i'll be familiar with the whole concept and studies.since you said LUCT provides degree part 1 and 2 does that mean upon completing both i can take my LAM exam part 1 and 2 individually or once degree part 1 finish..i gotta take LAM part 1 in order to go for degree part 2?
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post Sep 17 2011, 10:21 AM

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ok so i've sort things out thanks to Mr.Azarimy's info. Imma join Geomatika college for diploma in architecture this month and then off to UTM or twintech for bachelor's...excited like never before drool.gif all sifu's of architecture do bless me biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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post Mar 29 2012, 01:14 AM

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Hello once again...haha...2nd sem/dip in arch..i know i've got a long way...i personally wanted to study dip to learn more of the basics also higher chances getting into UTM since i screwed up my SPM? haha...so yea i've got questions to any experienced peeps here...

1) Is the architect a specialist or a generalist?
2) Is the architect working for the client or for society?
3) How is wheat 'padi' is related to architecture?
4) For the UTM student intake...what is the most important thing to be selected (communication skill? portfolio? being good in interviews?)

also i heard there's this law OR regulation called 'CCC' not sure of it though but what i heard is that if there's a faulty or if the building designed by an architect collapse...(even if it's his workers fault) the architect takes blame for it...i mean before the dewan bandaraya peeps are the ones to inspect and all right so now the architects? how true is this or am i wrong rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Mar 29 2012, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(cend @ Mar 29 2012, 02:27 PM)
1. I wonder...by the time I get Part 2 at UiTM...I would be having a master right?

2. Can I become lecturer on architecture? Or I need to get Part 3 first? Or there are other special requirements?

3. Can I continue for PHD after that?
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my lecturer is part 1 holder..IPTS rclxms.gif rclxms.gif she's good though nod.gif
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post Mar 29 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(cend @ Mar 29 2012, 02:44 PM)
shocking.gif part 1 already be lecturer?
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yeaps...i wonder myself what kinda noob lecturer is that...but she's good considering she's just teaching introduction to architecture for dip.... wink.gif dean is part3 though


Added on March 29, 2012, 2:47 pm
QUOTE(Bonetoad @ Mar 29 2012, 12:28 PM)
Quick question..

Is 3k salary a lot to ask for for part 1 grad from Australia with 2 years working experience?

Without any other information/portfolio, does this sounds a lot?

Applying for a firm in Subang Jaya
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reasonable enough but not having a portfolio is a big bump i guess whistling.gif


Added on March 29, 2012, 2:51 pm
QUOTE(metaloid @ Mar 28 2012, 12:35 PM)
I read an official announcement regarding Taylor's Part 1 degree being the first accredited IPTS by LAM. Congrats! I'm stoked.
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hopefully by the time i finish my dip they can get accredited for part 2 as well...in case ipta is a no go...taylor's mah.... icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif i can just wonder what will happen to the fees if part 2 get accredited as well shocking.gif

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