Hi all.

FYI: I was told http://www.miea.com.my/ this can help me. Any success case can share with me?

would like to seek help from you guys...
I was lured into a trap by a real estate agency into purchasing a Bumi lot.
The 1st time when I go n view the house, the first thing i asked is whether it is a Bumi lot
the agent confirm me it is not....
And then after all deal, I have paid 3% deposit to him. When I was giving him the cheque, the owner part is not signed yet.
When he give me the confirmation letter after the owner sign I saw he is a malay.

When I feel it is some kind fishy, I asked him again whether it is a Bumi lot, he again vy confirm and sure that it is not.
I feel not safe and I go and google the unit. End up I saw the unit is auction before at 2009, and it is a BUMI LOT!!

And then suddenly his lawyer called and I asked the lawyer to confirm it and finally it is confirmed.
I called up the agent and try to cancel the deal with him and get back my deposit as it will be issue in transferring the title for the unit.

What the agent do is:
1) try to convinced me to buy the unit ( where he has the way to change the title )
2) told me that he dunno it is a Bumi lot ( which is at 1st he VERY SURE it is not )

And now he still refuse to pay back my deposit.
If I know it is a BUMI LOT i won't proceed with the purchasing.

Anyone face the same cases before or anyone got any good suggestion what to do?

My lesson is " Do not fully trust your agent" and try to do lot of research yourself. Even no help given, I hope this give some tips to other property buyer.

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 5 2011, 11:51 PM

Terrible! Which real estate agency?

Sorry to hear that bro. I'm in the mid of looking houses too, mind share more information about the agent?

how many years is the house?

Sorry... not convenient to mention it...scare they will sue me
but i can tell the unit is at vista komanwel
for those who like to purchase a unit there, be careful, as there are a lot bumi lot there.
The other agents which i tried to seek help from, directly asked me to check it is a bumi lot or not when she heard it is vista komanwel
I was so silly and end up at at condition where my RM8400 is stuck inside now and pending for refund.
haih
Give money buy headache!!!!!!

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Added on March 5, 2011, 11:55 pmmore than 10...since 1998... strata title out already

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Added on March 5, 2011, 11:57 pmSorry....cant share...but i think when u go view house better is
1) know whether owner is malay or not
2) when u sign confirmation letter, make sure the owner sign already, else u no need to give the deposit to the agent 1st ( advice from other agent )
3) if it is a malay owner and he claim it is not a bumi lot, try to check with known lawyer or called up the developer to find out it yourself.

1 lesson 3k, total 9k

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 5 2011, 11:57 PM

errmm....then when the agent promise to refund to u?>

These real estate agent are cheat and liars.

These are what you should do from first to third action.

1. you go to the real estate company and try to talk to their manager, sometimes the manager is more reasonable than the agent.

If doesn't work, then

2. go to Michael chong, MCA, Jln Ampang and threaten to expose the real estate company in newspaper if they don't return the deposit.

Trust me, sometimes will work becos real estate company don't want their name to be blacklist.

If still doesn't work , then

3. Go to small claims tribunal in the Mall near Jln Putra.

Small claims tribunal is where the court will summon them to court and make them pay back the deposit.



Finally, DON'T sign the S&P.

Bukit jalil is freehold with consent, ie. land office will take 2 to 3 months to approve. They won't approve a bumi to non bumi sale unless there is special reason.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 6 2011, 12:06 AM

he still refuse to refund to me. He asked me contact his company for refund if i wan!!!

ya... I will go make police report, complain at http://www.miea.com.my,
and now got 1 more way is to complain at MCA...thanks jalsrix for this info

He keep on say at first he dont know it is not a Bumi lot. How come he is an agent but he dont know it is bumi lot or not, and when he dont know how come he said he confirm not?
Either he really wan to cheat me or his mistake for not checking it out at 1st place, and either of the faults, he should refund me

what does the confirmation letter say? any mention of deposit refundable?

there's still hope tho: i was told that bumi lot actually can transfer to non-bumi (case to case basis depending on the particular unit) but it will take longer to transact.

make a police report to scare the agent abit first

Ya...i got my lawyer checked too and he gave me the similar answer.
But he keep on saying his lawyer able to do. But this is not my concern, the main concern is he is cheating me at 1st place. Even it is possible to transfer the title, his trustworthy is totally gone. if possible i would like to let you guys know who is this, so no one will be his next victim.
but it is not possible to explore his name here
so guys.....need be careful

How can the real estate agent not know whether he is a bumi because all owners must sign a letter and meet the agent before agree to let them sell their house. I sold my house before and signed the letter before asking the agent to sell my house.

Go back to my previous post and reread bcos i modified the post. There are 3 steps to do.

I suggest you post the real estate agent name here so we can identify him.

Last time an agent brought me to see a bum lot as well... I reached first and look around the neighbourhood all r bumi.. then I ask them they told me that whole raw r bumi lot .. I remember the first thing I asked that agent if it is bumi lot and he told me not.. when agent came I query him... he said he dont know it is bumi lot too..

Yeah its written will be refund if title cant transfer. But if not mistaken to fully know whether it can be transfer or not,
1) i need to pay another 7% deposit
2) need to apply loan
3) need to sign S & P
4) need to wait for 1 or more years for the result ( even though he promise 3-6 months)

I will make police report if he still unable to give me a confiramtion date of the refund on monday.

His lawyer is NOT honest !

I went to land office before and asked about the consent, the officer told me it is not possible.

I asked my lawyer , he said that after 3 months, the land office will reject, then we can appeal again, it will take another 3 months,

the second time, may or may not reject, so we lost 6 months and another 3 months to process transfer of name, if you are lucky 9 months only can get transfer of name.

It unlucky, then have to wait more than one year.

Better not take the risk ...

Just call the real estate agent tell him you going to make police report. its work. alot faster than asking the lawyer to solve it.

Sorry, I was unable to put his name here as he might sue me for defaming him.
Ya....he is really sucks....impossible he is not sure what he is selling.....
if yes, then he is a failed agent

once you sign S&P, you'll lose the lawyer fees even if the transfer is not successful bcos lawyer already done the work. Lawyer fees can come up to rm 5K.

Don't SIGN S&P !

Follow the three steps I posted just now.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 6 2011, 12:17 AM

ya...i wont take the risk...summore he is the one trapped me at 1st place. haih
its really unlucky.

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Added on March 6, 2011, 12:18 amThanks a lot for the MCA details. i thk police and MCA will be great help.

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 6 2011, 12:18 AM

try Pakatan also la

anyone from pakatan i can contact with?
I'm sure both will be very willing to help me as election is coming soon

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Added on March 6, 2011, 12:26 amvery sad....
for 1st time buyer or without guide, this thread is a very good tips..
hope it helps

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 6 2011, 12:26 AM

Happened to me before. I was eyeing an auction unit in Subang. Called up the agent. Asked whether it's BUMI unit or not. Agent said "No." I remember asking a few times. Same answer. Then I asked him to fax the Proclamation of Sale (POS) to me. In the POS, stated "Restriction: Bumi unit". I sms the agent "No go because is bumi unit"

Before make it real big mess. Just call the real estate agent tell him you going to make a police report first lor.... most of the time can settle at that stage. if not just take further action lor.

Go his office and find his principle, the deposit should be in the bank a/c of the real estate agency. If you write the name of the agent as payee or he is a freelance agent, then I believe is very difficult to get back your money.

You have possibility the transaction will not be approved... you'll lost a lot of time but I think you can get your money back... dont wait to make police report and do what jalsrix ASAP

the money is with the company...this is the lucky part.

@Hello: ya... will alert them 1st ill do such complain if they are still insists not to refund, and they still stand still, im going to take action for real..

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Added on March 6, 2011, 12:34 amactually called up the agent's principle d ( dont know is his friend or wat) and he said the same thing also.
but when i said want to complain at miea on Monday if they still cant confirm when can refund me,straight away he agree to give an answer on monday b4 12

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Added on March 6, 2011, 12:36 amlife is really hard, when u buy house, u only able to trust your agent but end up they are the one who trying to trapped you.
i'm not referring to all agent but to some irresponsible agent and planning to do so

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 6 2011, 12:36 AM

So if Monday still can't get back refund, immediately make police report and proceed with other complains. Be firm with them, get 2-3 friend accompany you.

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Added on March 6, 2011, 12:48 amand don't ever trust their lawyer!

This post has been edited by jady: Mar 6 2011, 12:48 AM

Can the agent sue you for defaming if you are telling the true story?

Hmm, that is a very dishonest agent...
Should not had promise the sky high and everything else just because of closing a deal, taking up commission only.
This agent must have been month without sales i guess?

Shouldn't be a problem to refund actually, and in fact can be done fast. Why it is taking the agent so long to refund you? The agent must be the real culprit telling you a lot of stories..

yeah...he is telling me sure can transfer
i said i wan refund he said cant. he said must tried to transfer 1st
but now im vy firm i wont listen to him d....i dont want to waste my time and opportunity to buy another house

Go to his company and talk to his principal first. Hopefully this can help.

Ohya, by the way, maybe you can tell us who and what company indirectly. For example, "Slime darry", "success group" etc...

You tell him that you have friends (ie.me) who have asked the land office and my lawyer, and transfer cannot be done or will take very long time if you are lucky ie. more than one year.

There is NO guarantee of any transfer, so don't take the risk.

By the way, I have several properties in bukit jalil so I know.

Tell the manager you will report to MCA, michael chong and he will publish your story in newspaper , then he will start to urinate inside his pants.

Ask the manager to sue michael chong if he dares. Even 'ah long' (loan sharks) dare not sue michael chong.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 6 2011, 10:02 AM

Really that effective?
ok...michael chong and police will be the 1st two ill mention to him tml if he still refuse to refund.

@Fat3Twister: Hope he dont want take the risk and confirm refund else need to take leave and go his office. wasting time, energy and i cant do my work. haih.

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 6 2011, 10:15 AM

no work ethic..stupid agent..now,b4 give any depo,make sure all the detail is right..hope this can be a lesson to all..

yalor...its a good lesson
is it i got the right to read the copy of S&P before sign and pay deposit?

Hey man, tell him u will reveal in property forums his identity & company name if u don't get your cheque by next week. Agreed with another forumer hitting his rice bowl talks loudest. He definitely don't want his principal to go for his throat spoiling the agency name.

You are the one in the right, don't be scared.

Someone threatened to errroneously sue me, i threatened to counter-sue & the lion became a mouse after that.

Consumers need to be more aggressive and STAND UP.

@mrPOTATO: thanks for the advice bro. In this stage I only can do this to make sure they not take advantage on me

Sure need to read finish finish and clear clear only sign lar.. Don't simply sign sign sign..
Anyhow, this agent really sark to the max lar.. Like this cheat people.

You should take stringent measure and action to make him refund you..

Btw, i would suggest u put down your demands in a fax & transmit it monday immediately to his company so that it reaches the principal direct.

List down the actions you will take (police report, michael chong, miea, etc) & the deadline you are giving him to release a CHEQUE or DIRECT CREDIT to your account.

Indicate on yr letter bottom part "C.c to ??" in bold the fax number of your lawyer if u have one + a friend's office (that should scare him wondering if u have the support of a big timer if u know what i mean). Pile up the pressure & make him have some sleepless nights.

The important thing is, show him you are taking action, and you know the steps to enforce your claims & its not worth the rm8,500 for all this mess cos he has more to lose.

Good luck.

This post has been edited by mrPOTATO: Mar 6 2011, 11:03 AM

yeah....going to let them know that they cant simply cheat ppl and tot that we dont know where to complain to.
thanks a lot for the info...i learn a lot now

These type of agents are the uneducated type no qualifications one lah, where he got the knowledge and money to hire lawyers and sue?
Cheat people still can protect name and face ahh? Just go make police report put every details on paper then post everything here.
His name and your name, if yout story is true lah after all it has happen and is a FACT

Many more people might be his next victim

dont have to worry much. this is a clear cut case. just follow what jarsrix told you and they will definitely refund you. make sure not even 1 sen deducted. just to add 1 more, try to write to malay mail and see how they are going to answer.

its a case of misrepresentation - you bought based on the agent's advice that its a non bumi lot but it was wrong info so legally they have to refund WITH an apology ..

its not the case of whether its possible to transfer or not..even if its possible to transfer, you still dont want it as your specific condition was that it should be a non bumi lot..period...

hi guys..thanks all for ur opinion. By tml 12 if i din get an answer from them when i can refund, ill post every report i make here.
I was not take expose to property forum. Anyone can give me links to those forums so I can inform others about this and no one else being a victim

In my experience this is not the only case of agent misrepresenting, I have personally met 2 such instance.

In one of the case whereby the owner is malay, the agent said to me where got bumi units in this condo, its all non bumi already when sold. That's pretty suspicious by itself so when I asked for the s&p to give it a check, the agent retracted and said to confirm with the owner first where its bumi unit or not.

Yes, I do think that bumi units are hard to move, so sell it harder but in a moral way. Some agents just like unscrupulous that ..

Another fav tactic of theirs are to advertise lower price in iProperty or any other place, and once we made a call, the unit is usu sold, even when you are making the call on the very same day the advert is posted,
and they'll proceed to push a similar unit with a price tag far higher than posted. Very very frustrating to deal with people like that....

Yeah....i met these kind of cases this several months. when i check the agent details, he posted about 10-15 units for sale on the same day. And when i called him up, most of it is sold. Seems like they are those who trying to push the market higher by misleading us with a thought that houses are sold at this price. cause mostly when i try to get my fren to check with valuer, the price is 20-30% over market price where totally unable to proceed with 90% loan.
But the agent still tell you that it is possible to get loan and they have someone who can value very high.
Its seems like the property market now is full of scam. better be careful

hope no one will go into the same situation as i am now where it is really wasting time and distrubing

ya it's a good lesson for all of us... as we save n earn our money little by little....it's really unethical to mislead us, the consumer...

maybe the below links are useful to u:

http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/
http://www.myrealestate.com.my/viewforum.php?f=11
http://forum.syiok.com/
http://www.pjnet.com.my/forum-5.html
http://www.propertycommunity.com/forum/malaysia-property/

This post has been edited by JeanJ: Mar 6 2011, 03:21 PM

Sorry its my first time in property talks.
What the matter of BUMI lot?

hm...bumi lot is reserve for bumi only.
They are cheaper than other unit. If you are not a bumi, and trying to buy a bumi lot, you will face a lot of problem in transferring the name.
Normally will no take the risk as it might take a lot time and effort and money to transfer the house title to a non-bumi.

this is what i know so far. hope its help

BUMI lots is something created by the BN government to burden the non-bumi buyers.
Lets say to cost to build 2 identical property is RM200,000. Developer wants to make 50% margin. So should sell RM400,000 per unit. Assume that 1 is bumi lot and the other is non-bumi lot. Bumi lots get 7% discount. So what does the developer do?
Selling price of 2 units = 2 x RM400,000 = RM800,000
Target margin = 50%.
Difference between non-bumi and bumi lot = 7%.
Assume non-bumi price = A
Then bumi price = (1-0.07)xA
Target total selling revenue = RM800,000 = A + (1-0.07)xA = A+0.93A = 1.93A
A = RM800,000/1.93 = RM414,508

So non-bumi lot sells for RM414,508
And bumi lot sells for RM414,508 - 7% = RM385,492.

So, the discount given to bumi, is added to the selling price of non-bumi units. The government wants to non-bumi to subsidise the bumi.

Partly true.

The other reason is that the govt don't want the non-bumi to own all the land in the country.

That's why bumi houses cannot be sold to non-bumi except for special cases eg. developer cannot sell the house after xxx years, then only can sell to non-bumi.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 6 2011, 05:28 PM

Disagree. Bumi discount and bumi lot is part of an "affirmative action" policy. You know the history: that upon independence in 1957, segments of the society, particularly the Malays are lagging far behind economically because of the British's divide and conquer policy.

Hence we have policies like these with the INTENT of closing economic gap. In this spirit of helping our fellow friends who are far behind, aku support.

Having said that what I do agree with you is:
1. The affirmative action policy has been misused and corrupted by many rich bumiputras and cronies to further enrich themselves.
2. That this policy is no longer relevant today as poverty is not determined by whether or not a person is bumi or non-bumi.
3. That political wackos are still using race card to win political mileage, which inevitably make people perceive that one race is being used by another.

Well said. I believe in time, racial politics and policies have no place in Malaysia, time favor multiracial parties in the sense that society can only move upwards in sophistication over time.

Along with bumi quota, I hope leasehold status too. Its really unnecessary burden to homestayers and is only here because of the legacy of an old british system.

why is leasehold a legacy of old british system ? Mind giving details ?

hey dingdong985,

Is the property freehold or leasehold? Still under master title?

If freehold, still 'transferable' but it will takes time and subject to Land Office.

But leasehold, don't ever try it. My colleague just bought a leasehold, failed to transfer the bumi lot and end up losing money for processing fee and legal fee. Don't ever trust the lawyer who said can do it, they were just trying and end-up they will charge u as well if it fails.

hi all,

actually the ones making money from bumi lots are the non-bumis. Bumi lots can be transferred (i don't know fortunately or unfortunately) and could be done without much hassle. It is one topic however, i would rather not talk about. So i will stop here regarding bumi lots.

But for the case of TS, you could report to police commercial crimes unit if you believe you have a case. Unfortunately, i must say you have made a lot of mistakes for a property purchaser. No one should sign anything or give any money unless you have a copy of the title deed. Make sure it is the right title deed. No doubt the agent might be daring enough to deny everything and said you knew all along it is a bumi lot and you are having cold feet. Purchasing properties would always favour the experienced. It is OKAY to ask along someone experience if you are unsure.

Law of defamation is not easy to prove. If you are certain your story is real and that you have been hoodwinked, then you are not defaming a person. But make sure you have solid proof of the other person's wrongdoing. In a forum, things can get emotional and people will tell you to do things as if you are a hero. In a real world, people get sued for being heroes.

Okie well.. in my limited knowledge,
leasehold land really ONLY exist in commonwealth nations, and it varies in slightly different forms in each countries, some
will allow only up to 30 years or 50 years of lease (thailand, sg), in Malaysia its commonly 99 years while S'wak is 30 yrs if not mistaken.
But in UK itself, lease will extend up to 999 years.

'Leasing' the land comes from feudal system really, where no commoners actually 'owns' the land, they merely 'borrow' it while giving
tithes to the land owners.

While in modern UK this is still in force, at least 999 years is acceptable in terms of preserving the value long enough.
Some project locally while taking into account the holding period & construction period, it can be less than 90 years left..

Further to add, renewing the lease takes into calculation the value of the land WHEN the lease is renewed. The current market price
is used regardless of whether you bought it 50 years ago or not. Is this fair to leasehold land holders vs freehold?

This post has been edited by 1ullaby: Mar 7 2011, 12:04 AM

It is not true that leasehold occurs only in commonwealth countries. Frankly I do not have the extensive lists of countries with leasehold lands but for China, all lands are state owned. I don't know if they allow private land owners there nowadays. What they will give developers are the rights to develop a piece of land and then to lease the structure to buyers. Buyers will pay a lease price for the land the building occupies, whether stratified or subdivided. In the past, under colonial rulings, we have more freehold than leasehold.

There are quite a number of ways the government calculates the premium of land. In sarawak, apparently people have to pay up to 2/3 of the market value of the land to have their lease renewed (or thereabouts). PJ recently was not as bad (but I cannot remember the figure). I have agriculture lands renewed with very little premium compared with market price. So i believe it is a case by case basis and depending on the class of land.

Alright, communist legacy systems aside, as you cant expect to own something if the policy is everything to be "shared equal".
Regardless of whether we have more freehold than leasehold in the past, the government can actually do something to it instead
of making things complicated. Come on, why maintain a policy that burdens the system when not every mechanism is oiled and greased?
And to serve what purpose?

For PJ case it the end its still to the discretion of the state government. Else at current PJ land price, it will be bad ... whether 2/3 or 1/10,
its still at current market price, whereby the people are supposely the owner of the land.
Case by case basis yes, residential land remains hopeful for premium reduction, but why put this burden on the people ..
For something that is uncertain, the value gets discounted ..

This post has been edited by 1ullaby: Mar 7 2011, 12:22 AM

Thanks for the reminder. It think i got solid proof where he sent me another very unofficial letter to sign and stated that both owner and buyer do not know that the unit is not a bumi lot at 1st place.
the most important thing is that he as the agent who sell the thing should have make sure + clear on what he is selling. if he is uncertain, just tell me that he dunno, shouldnt confirm it is not a bumi lot. it is either he at 1st place plan to cheat me or his mistake for not making sure what he is selling

In Singapore, where many people from this forum, tend to praise their system, most of their properties are leasehold. In fact ALL of their HDB are leasehold. Doesn't matter if it is freehold as the government can apply a law which states that they are intending to take the "freehold" land back for development and they pay you peanuts for it (which is unlike Malaysia, they do pay the market price for land acquired be it bumi or not). So does not really matter if you have leasehold or freehold. Perhaps for those who wants reassurance, just buy those freehold.

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Added on March 7, 2011, 12:43 amUnfortunately we do live in a sometimes unfair world, where the nasty experienced people will take advantage of those who do not know. Just be extra careful. I believe you have a strong case, so just keep your stand but try to resolve amicably. It is to your advantage as I believe the agent might not have done it for the first time.

This post has been edited by michaellee: Mar 7 2011, 12:43 AM

yeah...the agent should have known how to respond. but what to do. will try to solve thing peacefully but i dont think he will give up easily as well.

i see... thanks for the info.. =]

Gosh hope ul manage to solve it by today. BTW hope u could post up the agents name and company so we will spread the news around to boycott him..Maybe an indirect info would help many potential property purchasers here..
Good luck

yo fren,
really nervous...hope everything can be solved peacefully.
I was trying my best not to break his rice bowl as I don't hope to face some problems in the future. He don't look like a gentlemen to me
So its better leave some chances
unless thing is really not able to solve then really need to review his name + company d

another sad case indeed.
with my property hunt some time ago, i easily met up with more than 3 dozens agents. of that, i can only say less than 5% are good agents. the other 95% are merely lying their way around.
sad to think that some or most of these morons actually made big profits from their commission of successful transactions.
haih!

Unfortunately it is the reality of life. Property should be the single most expensive item a person would buy in his lifetime. Hence one should be very careful even if it is creating a hassle for the other party. Afterall, it is your money.

Most bukit jalil properties are 'freehold with consent' which is different from freehold (3 months) and leasehold.

Freehold with consent needs 2 to 3 months letter of consent from land office before anything can be done.(another 3 months for lawyer processing)

Bumi to non-bumi is not transferable bcos bukit jalil is an international zone, I've gone to land office to ask before.



This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 7 2011, 08:52 AM

I dislike young agents especially if the agent is a guy..Smooth criminal.
I love old aunty agents which are not aggresive. They seem more genuine and not in rush to push u to buy a prop. They tend to be more patient..Its just based on my personal experience...

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Added on March 7, 2011, 8:52 amMost of these real estate agents are 'high school dropout' or 'uneducated people' whose only capability is their unethical mouth.

As long as they make money for their company and agents, they don't care who they hire.

I have been lied to many times by these agents.

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 7 2011, 08:54 AM

Thumbs up to Aunty Agents...
Btw is ur agent a young guy????

It depends on the character/personality and not the age of the agents.

I've met a lot of rude aunties.

Thumbs up to most Aunty Agents...

its not a young guy agents....old fox agent i should say... at his 30 something....be careful guys

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Added on March 7, 2011, 9:37 amAgree. its my mistake for rushing thing out as i like the house + place, summore is within budget.
But still it is unforgivable that the agent is planning to cheat me at 1st.
Will be extra careful next time and I hope there is no more posting like this from me in the future as this is a very expensive lesson

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 7 2011, 09:37 AM

Wei I also 30 something Thats still young la wei...

oh ok..
im js 20 something....so 30 something is consider old for me...

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Added on March 7, 2011, 9:50 amunable to contact the agent already.... lolz

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 7 2011, 09:50 AM

I think you dont get other people's main point. Whether you reveal his name or not, how does he prove that dingdong985 is your real name ? and that he will specifically come to lowyat forum to check you ? secondly, when you reveal his name, im sure many people will pretend to go and test the water before boycotting him(well, maybe some will)....in a way, when you reveal his name and property name, many with not much knowledge in this area, will be saved.

I find it a bit illogical for you to think about his rice bowl when he already ripped you off, seriously.
Indirectly, you are encouraging more real estate agents to commit such thing, because you are OK with it...as I said in some of my previous treat, shouldnt use real estate agent service if you want to buy house or sell house. Not all real estate agents are bad, but their service is ONLY necessary if you are too busy.

for now he has apologize and we r trying to solve the thing out peacefully by today.
i dont know abt ur thking but still to go as far as breaking someone rice bowl is definitely serious. I dont want to take this step if possible

i might review some hints later to prevent u guys fall into same trap next time. but its better after i settle the thing out 1st..
and ill read ur previous thread and see what is your suggestion without using agent. hope it is a great help after this

I believe by Pointing out what has happened is enough for people to learn. Just let it be in case he is drag into a malicious intent defamation case.

thx michael, im agree with u.... hope everyone who read this post can learn

asyik nak jaga hati seorang, yang lain tunggu kena jerat.
Mentality macam inilah masyarakat kita hancur.

Nak jadi gentleman, tapi si penipu tak hirau pun kang hang. Bangang betul. Kau kesian kat dia, siapa nak kesian kat kamu?

With that being said, I still hope you get your money back, by hook or by crook.

This post has been edited by MFLooi: Mar 7 2011, 11:06 AM

Thanks for your sharing. I wish that you could take back your "blood sweat" money.

I agree that better to deal with auntie agents... they don't really look at $$$ that important, but do deals based on trust.

Nowadays a lot of younger agents in 20s, degree holder are better... at least more truthful.

I also once dealt with a male agent in his 40s, but everytime I talked to him, he just like to mention $$$ la, tips la, or too busy to actually entertain me (and I am actually buying a house from him that time). Kanasai...

Those uneducated ones.... just look at $$$$, money, and money~ f*ck... I guess that's the only reason they work as agent or negotiators.

lucky for me i bought my house from a trusted agent..
he is also very friendly...

i also met a not very nice 35~40 yo lady that to me seems very selfish..
just when i asked the price advertised in the internet ..
when i asked whether the price can be negotiable or not
she immediately said that the owner had mistakenly put very low price...
so she have to sell the house fast and need to give 2% d/payment by next day...

50t yrs old Aunty Agent the best...Most..

ah sorry, i think i didnt put in another sentence " of course if any matter can be solved in a diplomatic way, that is the best lah "

But I guess it's best to deal with house owners directly than to deal with agents....seriously. Usually, many have no choice but to lie their way through because they want to get money...or sales. It's the truth.

If Im a real estate agent, Im sure will investigate in detail, and then give all the info to customer, and the rest is his decision. I think he will appreciate me more, and in future recommend me more customers. I dont mind to get little money back, but at least I have more recommendations.

This post has been edited by Dern: Mar 7 2011, 12:04 PM

yeah...this is wat a sales agent should be
be honest and no need to worry no sales
give ur best servie, after and before
once u did wrong once, ur name is published, ur photo is published, u r done in tat field

well, in your case, he's name is not published...and also, you need to bear in mind, you might not be his only victim.

You've not met rude auntie agents before.

Most are very rude, it's like their time is worth 1000 per hour. Ask them things, they don't want to reply.

"Why you want to ask so many questions if you don't wanna buy."

Like I said, it depends on their personality and not their age.

I have met one professional young girl agent , very nice and care to explain the environment etc (unlike those auntie agent who is easily annoyed)

Another agent i met in 20s young guy also very nice. He told me how much he sold the property (unlike other people who couldn't be bothered to tell)

This post has been edited by jalsrix: Mar 7 2011, 12:15 PM

i thk is depend on person as jalsrix mention.... i met some is nice jz the price they offer unable to get loan n not proceed only

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Added on March 7, 2011, 12:22 pmits not im trying to be gentlemen by not publishing his name
just hope not forcing someone to the level where he will do some unexpected thing.
my intention is just get back my money and thing solved peacefully between me n him.
unless he still refuse to refund then i got no choice and complain him to miea or mca and that time i no need to hide his name & company already.
im not sure abt others, but i thk from all the replies by the forumer here already been a great help and good tips for those who plan to buy house

This post has been edited by dingdong985: Mar 7 2011, 12:22 PM

dingdong, have you got your refund back? It's past 12pm.
And I remember that you said the agent will get back to you today before 12pm??

You should let us know the company and the f*ck*ng agent name.
Then, all of us avoid him, at least the ones who read this forum!
Why bother covering up someone who twisted you into this situation now?

I WISHING dingdxng cant even get a single cent refunded, hopefully by then he/she will reveal the agent/real company name.

I also wish forumers do not annoyed by my 'black heart' comment.
btw, dingdong985 is a really nice guy.



from JockMxtGxy, a fcuking extremist

AGreed on the GOOD GUY....u can just PM me,am active in some property forum....i can do on behalf on u...

hi guys...the agent has agreed to refund to me by tomorrow 5pm.
So i think the case is still pending as I havent receive money in my bank.

regarding the name....sorry, i still dont hope to review it....only able to advice u guys to go thru the processes mentioned all this while by experienced buyer so that you guys wont fall into the scam such as what im having right now.

Just curious, how come everyone is so interested in the agent's name. We should just move on.

yeah...jz follow the normal procedure and i thk it is hard for them to take advantage already.
but b4 i get my money back...im still worry

I also curious, why a 'bad guy' name should be 'protected'.


Not only this particular case, for thousands of victims of scam, robbed, raped...... etc etc etc. The cuplrit is not a first timer.
Sometimes 'Good guy' really play a role.
We should just move on.

ya... 30s is still young lah...