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post Apr 8 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Gundam84 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:06 PM)
Thanks, Nitrous. I had alwiz thought that the IPTV line from BTU. But it seems that it will be from the wireless router.
You mentioned that you used a separate switch to handle traffic. In that case, can I confirm if you connect the switch to the port 1 for the wireless router and port 4 for IPTV?
The rest of the LAN devices are connected to this separate switch (and with internet access)?
Just to be clear (since your diagram wasn't clear), Port 1 to 3 is on the unifi router are data ports, while port 4 is the IPTV dedicated VLAN port.
So Yes, Port 1 of my switch (Netgear) is connected to Port 1 of the Unifi router. The LAN ports from all around the house ends up connected to the netgear switch and does not connect directly to the unifi router.
Note : Port 4 of the unifi router does NOT connect to my netgear switch. It goes straight from the unifi router to the IPTV box, as it is a dedicated VLAN port. It will NOT work if it goes thru a switch.

QUOTE(Gundam84 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:06 PM)
If yes, it is very similar to what I'm trying to achieve with the switch at ground floor. Just that besides, using the switch, I'm also utilizing port 2 & 3 of the wireless router smile.gif
I didn't utilize port 2 and 3, thus I am not sure if it will work or not, if you have a separate switch. Can't remember if I did any settings to them too..

QUOTE(Gundam84 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:06 PM)
Updated Diagram
(if this works, perhaps the IPTV can be using the port from the switch instead from the wireless router  smile.gif then i can pull another cable for the other room which i removed earlier due to limited port at the wireless router)
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No this will not work. Port 4 from your unifi router only works for IPTV and IPTV only. IPTV will not work if you route it thru a switch, unless you can set a VLAN port on your switch (there was a tutorial on this somewhere in LYN, do a search). This means that port will be dedicated solely for IPTV and will not share data between all other ports.
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post Apr 8 2013, 01:50 PM

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If you know how to use VLAN trunking <more advance networking>, you can utilized one network port for HypeTV, and network. But leave it with 2 network ports for your tv area. Anyway is sure not enough and you will eventually need to have small switch there.

For your DECT phone, why do hassle of cable, why not you buy the Twin, some even have Triple DECT set, you have one station, and one sub station. The sub station don't need phone line only power to charge the station.

In network, it must have a termination point, where is your termination points? From what I see, is at your first floor. Is it ready for it? Cosmetic point of view, that area will have many network points.
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:07 PM

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Nitrous, thanks for your detailed explanation. Understood what u mean.


QUOTE(weikee @ Apr 8 2013, 01:50 PM)
If you know how to use VLAN trunking <more advance networking>, you can utilized one network port for HypeTV, and network. But leave it with 2 network ports for your tv area. Anyway is sure not enough and you will eventually need to have small switch there.

For your DECT phone, why do hassle of cable, why not you buy the Twin, some even have Triple DECT set, you have one station, and one sub station. The sub station don't need phone line only power to charge the station.

In network, it must have a termination point, where is your termination points? From what I see, is at your first floor. Is it ready for it? Cosmetic point of view, that area will have many network points.
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Didn't know there is such DECT phone. thanks for the enlightment. In that case, I will not need to pull the cable.
You are right, the the termination point is all at first floor near a corner of it. Will be trying to hide the cable etc which a big vase or cabinet.

Noted on this VLAN thingy for the IPTV, perhaps i will find out more from the computer shop when i buying the cable and the switch biggrin.gif
thanks everyone for the helps.

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post Apr 8 2013, 03:36 PM

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btw, anyone can recommend me where i can buy DINTEK Cat.5e 4 Pair UTP Cable 305m/Box? as in the price is reasonable smile.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(Gundam84 @ Apr 8 2013, 03:07 PM)
Didn't know there is such DECT phone. thanks for the enlightment. In that case, I will not need to pull the cable.
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Like what weikee mentioned, there are such DECT phones in the market which allows multiple handsets for one connected base station. But I needed to connect my home alarm to the phone-line, hence the splitter has been used to cater for that. You'd need to take note of this if you plan to use your home alarm call-out feature.
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post Apr 15 2013, 09:28 AM

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hi guyz,

I understood that the UTP cable should not be too near a electrical cable to avoid magnetic interference. But i have a few question regarding that.
Cause i don't think my electrical man will be knowing those as he will just be helping me to pull the cable smile.gif

1. Does it means that UTP cable should not run parallel with the electrical cable?
2. Is there a minimum recommended distance between UTP cable and electrical cable?
3. Is it really important for us to have a piping to contain the UTP cable? if yes, will a normal electric piping will do or a special piping is needed?

Thanks in advance.
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post Apr 15 2013, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Gundam84 @ Apr 15 2013, 09:28 AM)
hi guyz,

I understood that the UTP cable should not be too near a electrical cable to avoid magnetic interference. But i have a few question regarding that.
Cause i don't think my electrical man will be knowing those as he will just be helping me to pull the cable smile.gif

1. Does it means that UTP cable should not run parallel with the electrical cable?
2. Is there a minimum recommended distance between UTP cable and electrical cable?
3. Is it really important for us to have a piping to contain the UTP cable? if yes, will a normal electric piping will do or a special piping is needed?

Thanks in advance.
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1 - Can run parallel, mush have some gab.

2 - House usually minimal 6", if you have high current equipments better to have 12" gap. Generally 6" is good enough.

3 - normal white conduit will do. Unless you run under the ground floor with earth/soil You need special cables and conduit.

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post Apr 15 2013, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Apr 15 2013, 09:34 AM)
1 - Can run parallel, mush have some gab.

2 - House usually minimal 6", if you have high current equipments better to have 12" gap. Generally 6" is good enough.

3 - normal white conduit will do. Unless you run under the ground floor with earth/soil You need special cables and conduit.
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Thanks WeiKee smile.gif
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post Feb 7 2019, 04:38 PM

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Hi guys,

I know this is an old thread. Just want to share that I managed to install gigabit (CAT6 only) in my house. Inside the wall (in conduit), above the ceiling (in conduit), network rack, patch panel etc. Total of 16 ports, 24 port unmanaged TP-LINK switch.

I bought the rack, patch panel, switch by myself. Everything else were supplied by my wireman. He charged me around RM 4500 (if I'm not mistaken), including spare piping for Unifi as well as rewiring my phone (initially from back of my house to the living room, but now from rear of my house to the network rack, if I have to use Streamyx in future).

Recently installed Unifi 100 Mbps and very happy with it. Some ports I used for telephones (simple reconfiguration at the patch panel), and some for access points (managed to cover the all the 2.4 GHz channels for my SSID).

My house is just a double storey terrace. Did conversion from single phase to three phase and thought of doing the gigabit wiring at the same time.

Performance, basic copy to/from my NAS (mechanical hard drive) and my PC (also mechanical drive) can be up to around 200 - 350 Mbps. I know it is slow but this is the normal achievable speed from reviews around the world. I haven't try with RAM Disk yet.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT5e? - I'm preparing for 10Gbe in future. CAT6 can cover up to 10 Gbps with max length of 100 meters. The longest cable in my house does not reach 100 meters.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT6a/CAT7? - These along with fibre are very expensive.

Maybe some of you might wonder why doing all these? - I hate to see network cables all around my previous house. And I hate to see the black fibre cable by TM for their Unifi.

I look forward to include PoE access points, ethernet-based CCTV in future.

I'm here to help if anyone wants to do the same.
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post Feb 7 2019, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(hayenadeblue @ Feb 7 2019, 04:38 PM)
Hi guys,

I know this is an old thread. Just want to share that I managed to install gigabit (CAT6 only) in my house. Inside the wall (in conduit), above the ceiling (in conduit), network rack, patch panel etc. Total of 16 ports, 24 port unmanaged TP-LINK switch.

I bought the rack, patch panel, switch by myself. Everything else were supplied by my wireman. He charged me around RM 4500 (if I'm not mistaken), including spare piping for Unifi as well as rewiring my phone (initially from back of my house to the living room, but now from rear of my house to the network rack, if I have to use Streamyx in future).

Recently installed Unifi 100 Mbps and very happy with it. Some ports I used for telephones (simple reconfiguration at the patch panel), and some for access points (managed to cover the all the 2.4 GHz channels for my SSID).

My house is just a double storey terrace. Did conversion from single phase to three phase and thought of doing the gigabit wiring at the same time.

Performance, basic copy to/from my NAS (mechanical hard drive) and my PC (also mechanical drive) can be up to around 200 - 350 Mbps. I know it is slow but this is the normal achievable speed from reviews around the world. I haven't try with RAM Disk yet.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT5e? - I'm preparing for 10Gbe in future. CAT6 can cover up to 10 Gbps with max length of 100 meters. The longest cable in my house does not reach 100 meters.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT6a/CAT7? - These along with fibre are very expensive.

Maybe some of you might wonder why doing all these? - I hate to see network cables all around my previous house. And I hate to see the black fibre cable by TM for their Unifi.

I look forward to include PoE access points, ethernet-based CCTV in future.

I'm here to help if anyone wants to do the same.
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Can you share which rack, and patch panel that you bought?

Also, your phone is using rj45 connection?
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post Feb 11 2019, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(hayenadeblue @ Feb 7 2019, 04:38 PM)
Hi guys,

I know this is an old thread. Just want to share that I managed to install gigabit (CAT6 only) in my house. Inside the wall (in conduit), above the ceiling (in conduit), network rack, patch panel etc. Total of 16 ports, 24 port unmanaged TP-LINK switch.

I bought the rack, patch panel, switch by myself. Everything else were supplied by my wireman. He charged me around RM 4500 (if I'm not mistaken), including spare piping for Unifi as well as rewiring my phone (initially from back of my house to the living room, but now from rear of my house to the network rack, if I have to use Streamyx in future).

Recently installed Unifi 100 Mbps and very happy with it. Some ports I used for telephones (simple reconfiguration at the patch panel), and some for access points (managed to cover the all the 2.4 GHz channels for my SSID).

My house is just a double storey terrace. Did conversion from single phase to three phase and thought of doing the gigabit wiring at the same time.

Performance, basic copy to/from my NAS (mechanical hard drive) and my PC (also mechanical drive) can be up to around 200 - 350 Mbps. I know it is slow but this is the normal achievable speed from reviews around the world. I haven't try with RAM Disk yet.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT5e? - I'm preparing for 10Gbe in future. CAT6 can cover up to 10 Gbps with max length of 100 meters. The longest cable in my house does not reach 100 meters.

Maybe some of you might wonder why not CAT6a/CAT7? - These along with fibre are very expensive.

Maybe some of you might wonder why doing all these? - I hate to see network cables all around my previous house. And I hate to see the black fibre cable by TM for their Unifi.

I look forward to include PoE access points, ethernet-based CCTV in future.

I'm here to help if anyone wants to do the same.
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can you share some infor on how you do it with the configuration or possible pics? i am doing my house reno and i want to do the same, problem it the wiring man is not a network guy. am thinking to buy materials and tell him where to lay the cables.
thanks!
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post Feb 23 2019, 03:24 PM

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Sorry guys for the late reply.

Below is my network rack from outside. Brand Grow, 9U, that costs me RM 535.30 (including a fan, a rack as you can see from inside).

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Inside, I'm using:
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1. Unmanaged Network Switch (TP-LINK 24P 1Gbps): RM 399.00
2. CAT6 Patch Panel, NuroMicron: RM 402.27
(the rest is not necessary as you can see I have Belkin extension and a simple NAS. You can also noticed the TM modem)

All over my house, I have 16 ports in total (6x2 ports and 4x1 port)

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My wireman charge me RM 4680.00 for the CAT6 wiring, including the piping, hacking and the wall plate, including the wiring up to the patch panel, as well as telephone line (from outside of my house to the rack, I don't think you can see it from the image).

My wireman used to do the LAN wiring. If you are hiring electrical wireman, make sure find someone for the patch panel connection. Even my wireman, they thought that the cable should be plugged in at the front of the patch panel. I asked them to redo; the cable should be terminated at the back of the panel. We as user can reconfigure simply by connecting a patch cable (CAT5e/CAT6 etc. for ethernet networking or CAT3 for telephone) to our switch or other devices. As you can see, some of ports at the patch panel I connect with RJ11 cables. That cables are connected to RJ11 splitter that connected to the phone port at the modem (I placed my router on top of the rack). This way I can connect telephones at the pre-configured ports. FYI, I hire different wireman for my 3-phase electrical wiring (as mentioned in my previous post). My point is, I want wireman that has experience in LAN wiring.

Please note that during the planning stage, I have tested Dintek brand CAT6 cable but the performance is similar to any other CAT6 cable. You need to make sure all the portion of the cable that is twisted remain twisted, not overly bent and insist that the cable must be inside of conduit. Do not simply hack your wall, lay the cable and then cover by cement. This will shorten your cable's life. Dintek is expensive that is not necessary.

My budget is just for CAT6 and CAT6a during the time is very expensive, not to mention CAT7 and I don't mind the unpopular brand for cables, patch panel (NuroMicron), wall plate (AMPNetconnect). For switch, right now unmanaged is enough for me. Just make sure it is gigabit.

This post has been edited by hayenadeblue: Feb 23 2019, 03:49 PM
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post Feb 23 2019, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yop da great @ Feb 7 2019, 01:50 PM)
Can you share which rack, and patch panel that you bought?

Also, your phone is using rj45 connection?
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Hi,
You should know that RJ11 connector can be plugged into RJ45 port (not the other way around since RJ45 is bigger)

This post has been edited by hayenadeblue: Feb 23 2019, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(hayenadeblue @ Feb 23 2019, 03:24 PM)
Sorry guys for the late reply.

Below is my network rack from outside. Brand Grow, 9U, that costs me RM 535.30 (including a fan, a rack as you can see from inside).

Attached Image
Attached Image

Inside, I'm using:
Attached Image

1. Unmanaged Network Switch (TP-LINK 24P 1Gbps): RM 399.00
2. CAT6 Patch Panel, NuroMicron: RM 402.27
(the rest is not necessary as you can see I have Belkin extension and a simple NAS. You can also noticed the TM modem)

All over my house, I have 16 ports in total (6x2 ports and 4x1 port)

Attached Image

My wireman charge me RM 4680.00 for the CAT6 wiring, including the piping, hacking and the wall plate, including the wiring up to the patch panel, as well as telephone line (from outside of my house to the rack, I don't think you can see it from the image).

My wireman used to do the LAN wiring. If you are hiring electrical wireman, make sure find someone for the patch panel connection. Even my wireman, they thought that the cable should be plugged in at the front of the patch panel. I asked them to redo; the cable should be terminated at the back of the panel. We as user can reconfigure simply by connecting a patch cable (CAT5e/CAT6 etc. for ethernet networking or CAT3 for telephone) to our switch or other devices. As you can see, some of ports at the patch panel I connect with RJ11 cables. That cables are connected to RJ11 splitter that connected to the phone port at the modem (I placed my router on top of the rack). This way I can connect telephones at the pre-configured ports. FYI, I hire different wireman for my 3-phase electrical wiring (as mentioned in my previous post). My point is, I want wireman that has experience in LAN wiring.

Please note that during the planning stage, I have tested Dintek brand CAT6 cable but the performance is similar to any other CAT6 cable. You need to make sure all the portion of the cable that is twisted remain twisted, not overly bent and insist that the cable must be inside of conduit. Do not simply hack your wall, lay the cable and then cover by cement. This will shorten your cable's life. Dintek is expensive that is not necessary.

My budget is just for CAT6 and CAT6a during the time is very expensive, not to mention CAT7 and I don't mind the unpopular brand for cables, patch panel (NuroMicron), wall plate (AMPNetconnect). For switch, right now unmanaged is enough for me. Just make sure it is gigabit.
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For home ? Look some serious stuff in office. blink.gif

I setup my giga network DIY. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 24 2019, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 23 2019, 03:56 PM)
For home ? Look some serious stuff in office.  blink.gif

I setup my giga network DIY.   biggrin.gif
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Yup, for home. I DIY'ed my gigabit home networking since last 3 houses that I rented.

It is serious stuff. I don't like having cables at the edge of my living room connecting router to my streaming boxes in my other room, or Unifi cable from ceiling down to side of TV to connect to the modem. If in Malaysia we have houses with soft boards that easily hacked like in US, I'd DIY myself like them. And I also don't like to depends on WiFi (even AC/5.0 GHz) for my devices that capable of ethernet connectivity.

This post has been edited by hayenadeblue: Feb 24 2019, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE(heartache @ Feb 11 2019, 10:04 PM)
can you share some infor on how you do it with the configuration or possible pics? i am doing my house reno and i want to do the same, problem it the wiring man is not a network guy. am thinking to buy materials and tell him where to lay the cables.
thanks!
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No problem with that. Just make sure there is a gap between power lines and the ethernet cables. According to the older post, it is 6". The rest is like what I posted before (in conduit, bending regulation etc.)

Hope my posts could help you.
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QUOTE(hayenadeblue @ Feb 24 2019, 12:34 AM)
Yup, for home. I DIY'ed my gigabit home networking since last 3 houses that I rented.

It is serious stuff. I don't like having cables at the edge of my living room connecting router to my streaming boxes in my other room, or Unifi cable from ceiling down to side of TV to connect to the modem. If in Malaysia we have houses with soft boards that easily hacked like in US, I'd DIY myself like them. And I also don't like to depends on WiFi (even AC/5.0 GHz) for my devices that capable of ethernet connectivity.
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My setup. Dump all into storeroom. Wired out to AV and pc. Phone and pad and others on wifi.

TP link 8port router, Maxis fiber, UPS and NAS.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 25 2019, 10:39 AM)
My setup. Dump all into storeroom. Wired out to AV and pc. Phone and pad and others on wifi.

TP link 8port router, Maxis fiber, UPS and NAS.

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How's the average temperature, planning to setup CCTV recorded in store room.
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QUOTE(Nando's @ Feb 25 2019, 10:43 AM)
How's the average temperature, planning to setup CCTV recorded in store room.
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Probably 30°c-32°c. Right side have window with open door for airflow infront.

Router and modem are behind the NAS. Which the NAS have 2 running fan behind. I make use the fan to cool down.

Been running for 2yrs+.

For CCTV, makesure the recorder is not easy to take away. No use to record once the theft cart away.
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So happy to see there are other people out there who decided to wire their houses. When I wired my house, my wife gave me an earful.

Now after 6 years, enjoying internet connectivity throughout the house with ease and no wifi instability even with only Cat5.


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