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post Jun 27 2011, 10:48 AM

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Cat 6 in the market i see need very big angle of bending. It can go with 90deg too but the installer need to be aware cause once over bend the cable are worse perform than a Cat5e. What i mean over bend is like when install try to push the cable into the conduit before they may bend few round here and there and that will damage the Cat 6.

I know few professional cabler who tell they don't recycle cat 6, but Cat 5e can be recycle. What it mean if it wrongly lay they pull out the Cat 6 cable and throw away, unlike Cat 5e, it can pull out and use in shorter route.

Use good terminator for all LAN cable, be it Cat 5e or Cat 6. If can, use AMP.

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post Jun 28 2011, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(eclipse-space @ Jun 27 2011, 11:46 PM)
weikee - you seem to know a lot.

are these good? thinking of the FTP cat5e

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1386516&hl=
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Network, Infrastructure are my forte.

I will be using this brand too "1101-03003" with conduit, because my good friend who use this for many installation sell it at cost price to me. Is good if you don't use > 100M, since he say got problem he will help me to do the cabling again FOC so I take his word biggrin.gif

I'll use this LAN cable for my CCTV, and also Network.

Why you need FTP cable? Your house got lot of EMI noise? if not, just get UTP + Conduit enough la.

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post Jun 28 2011, 10:22 AM

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No specific system, is mix and match. Mostly for bank commercial use smile.gif

I put in both Coax RG-59, and LAN cable so i can switch to LAN camera or conventional camera depend what system i get.
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post Jun 29 2011, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jun 29 2011, 08:42 AM)
just got my box of Cat 6 cables yesterday. started my practice making cables.. failed first 2 attempts and had to recut and rewire. each strand of wire is much stronger than the cat 5 type so not as easy to manage.. however, after watching some youtube videos, found a lot of good tips..

DINTEK Cat 6 Cable - RM420 (Viewnet HUB - Lowyat)
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Best Youtube instruction for Cat 6 cable i found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8Di4HdyZM
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Happy Cabling.. Take lots of practice to clamp good termination. If you install on face plate you don't need to clamp, you need to push it in. Just like how telekom terminate in junction box.
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post Jul 2 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 2 2011, 10:13 AM)
Is it possible to lay the cable along with the electrical wire? Or share the conduit together? If not, how far should the cable lay from the electrical wire? Incase the cable have to lay along with the eletrical wire route.
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Not advice for network and cctv. If you don't notice it now, later sure have problem. Most will separate by 1 feet. I separate by about 2 feet.



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post Jul 3 2011, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong1 @ Jul 3 2011, 12:55 AM)
Mine is side by side, but separate with PVC conduit, not sure OK or not.
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Only time will tell. Use shield cable if possible.
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post Jul 3 2011, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 3 2011, 06:08 PM)
Sorry, I mean don't need to instal the network cable. There is already gigabit router in the market that fast enough to transfer wired or wireless. Specially for media. For wireless speed can go 300Mbps using 5ghz. While wired, you can use homeplug to link. All this cost below rm1k.
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Yes, this is correct if you don't have many connection maybe good for 2 to 4 equipments if you want to achieve high speed. Wireless and Ethernet over Power/socket work in sharing a single band. The more equipments in wireless or Power plug the slower it will get.

It's not always guaranteed that you'll have the max wireless speed, and is all depend on the strength of signal.

The more equipments / computers using the network increases, the data transfer rate to each will be reduce.

If you plan to run cctv over IP, IPTV, Wireless, surfing and sharing to many device than you need to get more AP transmitter for better stability.

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post Jul 3 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jul 3 2011, 11:03 PM)
Crimping requires a few trials for me in the beginning. But now i get it right the first time and within cat 6 specs - under half inch of untwisted. The cable tester i got only test for continuity but does not test the RF. Then again, im not sure if RF tester is cheap.

Btw, what's the 90 degree?
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To really test Cat6 and LAN cable you need a sophisticate device to test Attenuation, noise level, and cross talk. For home use, if the interface did not show any crc lost or packet lost is already ok.

Think what he mean on the 90 deg things is bending problem for cat6, which is not going to show anything problem if is running on 100Mbps. Only using test equipment can show the problem.


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post Jul 4 2011, 10:49 AM

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I suggest you buy here in Malaysia. You risk getting your equipments tax by custom, which can be anything from 10 to 30%.

I understand from the courier company, anything list as Network need AP.

My last try sending back a Router back from AU for my company, I need a bloody AP, or ask an agent / runner to do it. End up, i return the shipment to AU, send to HK. Is also MUCH Cheaper.
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(raist86 @ Jul 4 2011, 11:04 AM)
highly doubt i need ap for the said items above as they are considered cables and accessories only. not network equipment.
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Cable required AP or not, i am not sure. But cable i am very very sure need tax. Because my company practice central purchase of some IT equipments. Most of the IT equipments are tax free, but sometime when they put the Power cord cable in the AWB, i get tax 30%, which is not much about few ringgit only, but is the hassle.

For your case, I suggest you add in the 30% for your budget calculation.

Maybe try visit pasar road, you get many good vendor selling reasonable price cable. If you want convenient, try Malaysia RS website, which is not very cheap but get lots of selection. http://malaysia.rs-online.com
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post Jul 4 2011, 11:59 AM

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When you use important keystone jacket / faceplate not sure you have issue to mount into Malaysia wall (not sure what you call this, the black box mount in the wall)

Simtone, or clipsal sell faceplate with RJ45 socket, if you need only few better get local.


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QUOTE(raist86 @ Jul 4 2011, 11:48 AM)
OMG.. RS-online pricing for cabling is crazy... RM1,350 for 305 meters of cat 6.. @.@
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Some are good brand.

Much better one are Tyco-AMP.

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post Jul 4 2011, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(wz3k @ Jul 4 2011, 01:24 PM)
so far my current totals are as follows.. i still need another 3 cat6 keystone which Viewnet is out of stock at the moment.. there is AMP version but that cost RM34 vs Dintek RM14..

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AMP is good, and if not mistaken Made in Malaysia. Dintek i think made in China / Taiwan.
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post Jul 4 2011, 09:17 PM

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Pasar Road, near Pudu market. Is where lots of electronic shop, similar to Sim Lim Plaza (not Sim Lim Square) in Singapore.
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post Jul 14 2011, 07:55 PM

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Original Siemon so cheap meh?
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post Jul 16 2011, 01:01 AM

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Already have 12 points in my house smile.gif
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post Aug 8 2011, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 8 2011, 11:08 PM)
anyone know where to buy fibre cable as per unifi contractor use?
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Think they are using single mode fiber, but type and brand i am not sure. I only lay a empty conduit straight from my rear laundry area to my server room smile.gif
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post Aug 9 2011, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Aug 9 2011, 12:19 AM)
Does it far and straight line?
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Yes straight and 15' conceal.
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post Aug 23 2011, 10:53 PM

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You need to check your cable tester manual.
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post Aug 23 2011, 11:20 PM

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This one is good for testing connection only. Can't test lost signal and noise. If you have all the light run in sequence then is connect correctly. For full CAT6 compliance you need difference tester.
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post Aug 25 2011, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(lazzy_dogg @ Aug 25 2011, 09:58 PM)
anyone can recommend me where to get STP and UTP cables at good price from a reputable brand (i.e. AMP)...
can anyone tell me how much roughly?
looking at buying in reel/box
Why you want STP? your area got electrostatic problem?

Try Jalan Pasar, but not sure they carry AMP, cause is very expensive. Maybe need back to back order.


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QUOTE(kamion @ Aug 25 2011, 10:39 PM)
Where can I get a tester? I asked the electrician to lay the cables from my rooms upstairs to my living room. Would definitely like to test the installation before signing off.
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The 8 lights tester most electronic shop sell, very cheap only. Try ask the two electronic shop @ ss2, one is same row as McD, and one is behind Guardian.

If you need db noise tester maybe need to go below places.
01) Pasar road,
02) mobicon "Remote" @ old klang road http://www.mobicon.com.my
03) http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/



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