wah...long to read
however is a really good info
thanks

the pinky dotted are on the neck only.. other part no..

So how's it been? Dots still there or free from it?

hi all. if the penis got grow sumthg like pimple, wat is tat ah?

Probably a type of STD... cant be sure unless we enquire more about his sexual history, and know a little more about the description of the "pimple". Red patch? One/multiple? Itchy? Painful? Whole list of questions before a diagnosis can be made

very detail information u have but abit lazy to read all:)
yaya agree with red-queen
the safest sex is no sex

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 3 2009, 08:03 PM

Actually when you mentioned a lot of innocent people like wives, children and friends who are infected with HIV, it is because of the testing part. A lot of people are afraid to get tested. Not because they are afraid of the sharp needle, but because of the emberassement. The "emberassment" could harm the people around them. If he is able to get detected early, then he will take all the precautions needed, take medication, have a safer sex, and go for proper counselings. It is the mentality of the people that cause the spread of the hiv.

This post has been edited by rac3r: Jun 21 2009, 06:27 PM

rac3r,

why you still dont get it ? the test that is supposed to test you for HIV is actually not testing you for HIV at all. They are just testing you for "HIV antibodies", but why do we need to get scared when we have antibodies agaomst HIV ?

above all, there's currently NO GOLD STANDARD of testing, because it is an illusion for all of us that HIV is yet to be proven exist. Attached is the interview with Dr Rodney Jerkins, one of first few scientists who are involved in the HIV Test creation collaboration with Abbot Laboratories

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/mcinterviewrr.htm


if the public arent willing to be open minded about this, and instead choose to FOLLOW THE FEAR AND STIGMA, then a lot of lives will be lost. We cant swallow everything that have been told to us, seriously, unless your life is for the pharma's profit...then go ahead. But believe me, by the time anyone who are already in the doctor's treatment, once the modern medical science said to them, im sorry you only have 6 more months to live and there's nothing we can do about it....dont feel being cheated.

Hi david_lynn,

I think you are getting it wrong over here. Our body does not produce HIV antibody unless there is HIV present in the body. It is like when we have flu, our white blood cell will produce the antibody needed to fight against flu and so and so forth. For HIV, the test kit use is ELISA test kit.

The ELISA, or the enzyme immunoassay (EIA), was the first screening test widely used for HIV. It has a high sensitivity. In fact, i dare to say all of the hospitals, clinics, and labs are using that type of test kit to do HIV screening as it has the highest sensitivity so far. And if a person is detected positive for HIV, then they will go for advanced testing such as Western Blot.

Hope the explaination is clear to you

rac3r,

you does not seem to have grasped the difference between sensitivity and specificity. The problem with HIV tests is specificity - they have never been properly correlated with the presence or absence of HIV infection, so they are inherently invalid. You seem to be under the impression that antibodies that these tests detect are specific. Go to www.virusmyth.net, look at the section on HIV tests.

and also this question : why should you be scared when your body already have anti-body against HIV ?

oh by the way, I would like to also inform you about a study that was being undertaken by Dr Roberto Giraldo. The current HIV Test needs to dilute the blood samples of the people by 400 times, with certain chemicals. What happens is that when the chemicals are being added, our blood will produce retroviruses. Some people will produce more, some people will produce a lot..that is why the HIV Test dont measure YES you have HIV (POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE) or NO you dont have HIV (NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE)...instead if you have it HIGH enough, then you are POSITIVE/RE-ACTIVE, else if you have low quantities, you will be NEGATIVE/NON-REACTIVE.

What is shocking ( and eventually really proves that HIV test is meaningless ) is that if all the patients' blood are not being diluted 400 times, EVERYONE WILL BE POSITIVE, including Dr Roberto Giraldo when he do the experiment.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 21 2009, 09:05 PM

hmmm.... it seems that you have different views on hiv testing. It seems to me that you do not really understand why our body is producing HIV antibody. Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? Our body will produce the HIV antibody as long as there is white blood cells in the body. It is just the matter of time when the body will produce the antibody.

Some people may develop the hiv antibody in 2-3 weeks and some people will develop in 3 months time and in very rare cases, some people will take up to 6 months. Which is why this period is called the "Window Period".

And so far, the ELISA test kit is the type of test kits widely used in hospitals and clinics for HIV screening. So you are saying all those testings in hospitals and clinics are not accurate at all? How about those blood donation campaign where thousands and thousands of people donate blood and the blood get tested using the same ELISA test kit. Then it means now we all in very dangerous situation? If a person gets accident and go to hospital and use the donated blood, then he is exposed to the risk of getting HIV?

rac3r,

i understand fully about HIV testing, but how I wish you really read the link that I already attached there by Dr Rodney Richards. Then only you can understand, WHY i have a different view.

Why should the body produce the antibody when there is no HIV presence? correct, and more importantly, arent we being told that if our body produces antibody against a virus or disease, arent we immune to it ? But WHY, in HIV it is different ?

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 22 2009, 08:54 AM

ok. Sorry. I admit I really did not finish Reading all the facts you posted. That's my bad. Now that I have read it, I really know what are you trying to stress here. You are stressing that HIV testing does not really test for HIV? Or HIV might or might not exist unless scientifically proven. So what do you suggest for those people who are worried about their health. Should or should not they go for the HIV testing? So it means thr govt should also discourage HIV testing? I saw in the article. It is stated there. "I'd say don't have a test. Don't spread HIV testing". Is that what you are trying to spread? HIV testing will enable a person to have preacutions so that the virus do not spread to their love ones and not being a denialist and spread the virus.

ok rac3r,

no worries, it's ok

put it this way, im only providing another logical explanation side about this HIV=AIDS paradigm. But, at the end of the day, you need to read the information(yes, dont even trust what I say, find out yourself) and think logical, NOT BASED ON FEAR. That is all I suggest...ask your doctors all those questions, see if the doctors know how to answer, because usually HIV doctors hate to answer "inconvenient questions".

by the way, that is from a person quotation, He is Dr Val Turner from the Perth Group. He has been explaning to the modern medical science in Australia, and ALL of the doctors CHOOSE TO IGNORE the perth group. They know what the Perth Group is saying, but they just IGNORE his explanation, which is very scientific and logical.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 22 2009, 12:10 PM

I know there might be a lot of other theories or new concepts regarding HIV but the most important is to detect the virus and contain it from spreading. I know we can't really stop people from spreading, whether intentional or unintentional, but at least we know that a person with HIV will never try to spread to their love ones.

oh rac3r,

nvm, i guess it doesnt make any difference even before and after you read the websites I gave. But again, most people cant see it...FEAR already blinded majority of them, FEAR FROM DEATH YOUR MIND ALREADY STUCK AND CLOSED...it's very easy, just look at cancer, doctors knew that chemotheraphy wont really help people, but they CHOOSE to sell this treatment to people, and chemotherapies is the ONLY choice of treatment. Same goes with their research, each and everytime, they will say we are more nearer to the cure, so ask yourself this, has any of those cancer research realized so far ?

Until today, modern medical science HAVE NOT safe any lives...In fact they play around with statistics for people like you to "believe". Of course, the people who are practising modern medical science, not all are bad and greedy, some do have good intentions, but their foundation are wrong even without them knowing it.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 22 2009, 12:47 PM

hmmm... let me ask you something. If you so happen to be too drunk and had an unprotected sex with a stranger or you went for sex service and unfortunately enough, the condom breaks. Will you sit still at home and won't go for any HIV or STD testing since to you, all tests are inaccurate enough. So you rather be carefree and go on with your life not knowing when and how you will one day infects your love ones?

HIV test might not be 100% accurate as there are no 100% accurate test kit in this world. Even for pregnancy test kit also give your 99.999% only. But people still go for the test at least they can get to know whether they pregnant or not or HIV infected or not.

You might give all the reasons not to believe the test but if someday, this were to happen to you, you will be glad that you are tested negative

rac3r,

we have a few things here that get mix up because they compliment each other very well, that is religion and health. I'll explain...
yes STD does exists, there's no doubt about it. but, have you ever wonder, where does sexually transmitted disease comes from ? Usually, it has symptoms of it's own, so I bet you if that person is urinating very painful, do you think that person will sit at home and enjoy ? Therefore, im sure the person will go for treatment to ensure the pain is gone. This is what we call, you see the clinical symptoms and you treat the symptoms. However, in HIV, with the ASSUMPTION that it is sexually transmitted, and better still, in any religion, it is a wrong thing to do casual sex. With both of these dogmas, everyone buys in to believe that HIV TEST is the best way to determine your health if you are "infected". So, you dont have any clinical symptoms, but BECAUSE OF FEAR, you submit to HIV Test out of feeling politically correct. However, once positive, suddenly you are told you will live probably about 10 years max. While you are being given this diagnosis, you can still feel perfectly good. But, the doctors will ask you to test for viral load and cd4 counts ( which has nothing to do with disease progression ) and once it is less than 200, you will be asked to take AIDS DRUGS, even though, at this point of time, you have NO SYMPTOMS. These has violated the normal practise of medicine.

By the way, from the way you phrase your sentence, im sorry to say that YOU LIVE IN FEAR rather than COMMON SENSE...which a lot of people are im sure. Do you know how confidently the doctors propose to their patients to use Vioxx ? Via_gra ? Prozac ? only to realized the patients are killed by those drugs. oh well, I dont feel like explaining to you because BELIEVE ME, as long as you dont read all the information I gave you, you will use the modern medical science thinking to challenge me, but what's the point ? It's because there are people out there who suffer before and realized it, that's why they want to let the public know...

and rac3r, PLEASEEEEEEE.......there are a lot of HIV+ out there currently who are living almost 20 years drugs free(it's still relatively new because "HIV" is just 27 years old) because something that their body dont agree with what the doctor is saying. HIV test is not only NOT 100% accurate, it is INVALID. Dont equate pregnant with HIV, please

You should rather ask, WHAT REALLY MAKES HIM DONT BELIEVE THIS HIV TEST ? WHAT IS IT THAT HE READS ? Did I told you about the experiment that Dr Roberto Giraldo did ? All HIV test needs to be diluted 400 times before they are able to lessen the antibodies ? if it is not diluted 400 times, everyone is POSITIVE. Unfortunately, the pharmaceuticals have bought over the media, so making them even more invincible, so they can market their drugs. I dont expect you to even agree with me when you havent even read all the link I gave you...it's not a tom,d*** or harry website mind you.

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Added on June 22, 2009, 8:39 pmas expected, more and more people feels the need to do :

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/933423

Im definately not against a test that is really testing for a "virus" called as "HIV", seriously. But, if everyone decides to go for a test that actually dont test for HIV, there is no point. But again, whatever I said as you can see it is true,

1) the media will be actively advertising it, promoting the FEAR
2) people themself dont expect the medical to be wrong
3) hiv is "nothing to be scared of", therefore go for a test isnt bad afterall

How I wish the people who are tested "positive" do happen to read this websites...because doesnt mean getting tested negative makes everything right about HIV=AIDS.

This post has been edited by david_lynn: Jun 23 2009, 09:41 AM

I know you have your own point of views regarding the current HIV test. And you are trying to point out how inaccurate the tests are. So what is your wise idea to detect whether a person is infected with HIV or not since you are rejecting the current method of HIV testing?

I never want to say that you are totally wrong. It is just that i feel HIV testing is must for everybody. You can choose not to take the HIV drugs even if you are tested positive. To eat or not to eat, you can control it but you cant control the infection if you do not know your body's current health. Why are there so many people would want to go for HIV testing even it might be emberassing? It is because they want to know their health condition so that they can take a better precaution against HIV and AIDS.