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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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edwardsiow
post Mar 1 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 28 2011, 10:20 AM)
yeterday, the cooking oil, knife brand jump from RM14.xx to RM17.xx
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last Saturday the cooking oil at Tesco still RM14.xx

now already 17.xx???
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post Mar 1 2011, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 1 2011, 10:14 AM)
Wat kind of measurement is this? Doesn't helplah....it will kill the property sector, end up kill the whole economy. Dun forget many gomens are reluctant to interrupt the property mkt b'coz it forms the back bone of the economy, 203 businesses are direct & indirectly related to property sector,  if property price drop sharply in a particular country, unemployment rate will shoot up and gomen will be forced to step down
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the cut down will proceed if majority cannot afffort. i think banking sector will be hurt the most, majority ppl will be happy, me too. tongue.gif


Added on March 1, 2011, 9:22 am
QUOTE(edwardsiow @ Mar 1 2011, 10:19 AM)
last Saturday the cooking oil at Tesco still RM14.xx

now already 17.xx???
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i mean the branded oil lah, not the normal brand which we not familiar with....


knife brand

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post Mar 1 2011, 09:40 AM

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[quote=sampool,Mar 1 2011, 09:21 AM]
the cut down will proceed if majority cannot afffort. i think banking sector will be hurt the most, majority ppl will be happy, me too. tongue.gif

Yeah, let's go to Bahrain to buy properties rclxms.gif
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post Mar 1 2011, 09:44 AM

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[quote=UFO-ET,Mar 1 2011, 10:40 AM]
[quote=sampool,Mar 1 2011, 09:21 AM]
the cut down will proceed if majority cannot afffort. i think banking sector will be hurt the most, majority ppl will be happy, me too. tongue.gif

Yeah, let's go to Bahrain to buy properties rclxms.gif
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i think u need to be citizen there.

i m sure they/gomen are not stupid, their tink tank may advise so as the property in bahrin is follow the world market as well,... so wat to do with us next.... property value may stagnant... because developer not willing to see the 30% cut back later on..... business is full of uncertainty hmm.gif
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post Mar 1 2011, 10:20 AM

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the sharp increase in cooking oil price is due to promo, is it?
u may check again the price on weekly basis to see if it is really a mark up price...
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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 1 2011, 09:44 AM)
i think u need to be citizen there.

i m sure they/gomen are not stupid, their tink tank may advise so as the property in bahrin is follow the world market as well,... so wat to do with us next.... property value may stagnant... because developer not willing to see the 30% cut back later on..... business is full of uncertainty  hmm.gif
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In this country, except no natural disaster, anything else is certain? If we learn to take the risk, study it properly then we can manage it well
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post Mar 1 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(jusco1 @ Mar 1 2011, 11:20 AM)
the sharp increase in cooking oil price is due to promo, is it?
u may check again the price on weekly basis to see if it is really a mark up price...
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i also dun know leh, bcos the price of 5kg knife brand is RM14.xx last time and now the 3kg is RM10.xx last week, so if we extend to 5kg is cost RM17.xx, this is just math cal. i think the knife brand is now change to use the 3kg packing...

my 2 cent only...


Added on March 1, 2011, 10:33 am
QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 1 2011, 11:21 AM)
In this country, except no natural disaster, anything else is certain? If we learn to take the risk, study it properly then we can manage it well
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i think middle east ppl are rather good in take the risk... sweat.gif

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post Mar 1 2011, 10:35 AM

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I know macroekonomi affects economy eg. oil price, usa int rate & etc
as microekonomi is the result of it eg. the complains being mentioned here
if u guys insist on looking at micro & no macro, up to u lo brows.gif who wanna install york aircond in their tempurung?
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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 1 2011, 09:21 AM)
the cut down will proceed if majority cannot afffort. i think banking sector will be hurt the most, majority ppl will be happy, me too.  tongue.gif
i'm in the majority ppl biggrin.gif
i dun even care tat time alot of ppl kena pecat and i'm included.. i believe in myself that i can get employed..
as long as i dun expect high salary
even now i got job.. also kenot afford to buy a properties...

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 1 2011, 09:14 AM)
Wat kind of measurement is this? Doesn't helplah....it will kill the property sector, end up kill the whole economy. Dun forget many gomens are reluctant to interrupt the property mkt b'coz it forms the back bone of the economy, 203 businesses are direct & indirectly related to property sector,  if property price drop sharply in a particular country, unemployment rate will shoot up and gomen will be forced to step down
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Somemore, properties and finance is tightly related.

Properties plunged --> NPL rise, if severe could threaten the banking sector as a whole, just like subprime and financial crisis 2008.

That's why gov is always reluctantly to control it in a big way.
But I see RPGT is a good way to fence out excessive speculation and without affect the health of RE as a whole.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2011, 12:31 PM)
Somemore, properties and finance is tightly related.

Properties plunged --> NPL rise, if severe could threaten the banking sector as a whole, just like subprime and financial crisis 2008.

That's why gov is always reluctantly to control it in a big way.
But I see RPGT is a good way to fence out excessive speculation and without affect the health of RE as a whole.
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wat is RPGT?


cherry seem everything also u know ah... property, stock market... notworthy.gif
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post Mar 1 2011, 11:40 AM

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have to agree with cherroy
Now we are facing inflation problem instead of crisis.
goods now increasing.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 1 2011, 11:31 AM)
Somemore, properties and finance is tightly related.

Properties plunged --> NPL rise, if severe could threaten the banking sector as a whole, just like subprime and financial crisis 2008.

That's why gov is always reluctantly to control it in a big way.
But I see RPGT is a good way to fence out excessive speculation and without affect the health of RE as a whole.
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Politician hold the most speculative real estate in hand, you might be surprise a very small post politician could have own / speculate > 50 pieces properties amounting to 10 mil - 100 mil, wat about those top position?
RPGT would affect them the most, do you think they will implement it? Not likely
I personally feels that it is the best way to tap price hike so far..
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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 1 2011, 12:57 PM)
Politician hold the most speculative real estate in hand, you might be surprise a very small post politician could have own / speculate > 50 pieces properties amounting to 10 mil - 100 mil, wat about those top position?
RPGT would affect them the most, do you think they will implement it? Not likely
I personally feels that it is the best way to tap price hike so far..
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Haha... CHANGE is the only solution..
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post Mar 1 2011, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 1 2011, 12:20 PM)
Haha... CHANGE is the only solution..
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vote wisely in the coming election rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(CKHong @ Mar 1 2011, 02:20 PM)
vote wisely in the coming election  rclxms.gif
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Hear hear. rclxms.gif

I'm all for RPGT.
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post Mar 1 2011, 02:58 PM

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a crappy report...

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...ns-of-slowdown/

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KUALA LUMPUR, March 1 — The property market has either gone flat or is showing signs of decline, as indicated by rents and capital values for prime areas.

The market, especially the high-end segment, appears to be feeling the pinch of oversupply and the tightening measures on investment.

Figures in a report by property consultancy DTZ Research released in January shows that rental rates for commercial property were on a downward trend last year dropping from RM6 per square foot (psf) in the second quarter to RM5.97 in the fourth quarter.

Office occupancy rates also fell from 87.9 per cent in the second quarter to 86.4 per cent in the fourth quarter.

“The outlook for the (commerical property) sector is expected to remain soft in the next few years as it will take time to increase demand with these new initiatives while there is a substantial amount of new supply, most of which is of a speculative nature,” said the DTZ report.

Meanwhile the average capital value of prime condominiums declined slightly from RM600 psf in the third quarter to RM599 in the fourth quarter.

DTZ pointed out that Bank Negara had mandated a 70 per cent cap on the loan-to-value ratio (LVR) for a purchase of a third residential property, down from 80-90 per cent and this could affect the high end property market in the coming months.

“This (the 70 per cent LVR cap) will have some negative impact on the high-end segment where buying has been concentrated,” said the report.

Property agent Melvin Wong says however that the slowdown will not likely affect affordable properties in the RM300,000 to RM400,000 range.

“The 70 per cent LVR cap doesn”t affect first time home-buyers,” he said. “The government is trying to curb speculation in the higher end segment of the market and those are the properties which might see a slowdown.”

Wong, who specialises in the upper middle-class area of Mt Kiara says that the value of properties there are stable although rentals rates may have been hit by the ample supply of units.

“People who buy in Mt Kiara have holding power so we haven”t seen fire sales yet,” he said. “The supply of condominiums have gone up so rental wise, the market is more competitive.”

Property consultant Lau Han Hoe says that there could be a slight dip in property prices due to the LVR cap.

“There will be an effect,” he said.

He noted however that demand from first-time home owners is always there and developers should build more affordable units to tap into that demand.

The property market could also be affected by expectations that Bank Negara would raise the statutory reserve requirement for banks which could put the brakes on loans growth.

Investment research house ECM Libra said in a report last month that growth in deposits is lagging loans which may curb loans growth momentum going forward

Figures in the ECM Libra report showed that residential and non-residential property loans which accounted for 44 per cent of loans growth in 2010 are showing signs of growth moderation.

Residential loan approval contracted 3.8 per cent year-on-year in December last year while non-residential loan approval slowed to 30.2 per cent from 47.3 per cent in November.

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post Mar 1 2011, 05:11 PM

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It's all a big conspiracy, man!....
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post Mar 1 2011, 05:48 PM

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Pre-election conspiracy to con speculators. Where else to get extra funding?
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post Mar 1 2011, 06:09 PM

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why are all their surveys based on mont kiara and klcc? astute conservative local investors would never go near any of these places.

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