Haha ... if what you are sharing is true, then we are already in and out of hell already

Eh .. you speak for me???

Actually, if you read my sharing before ... it's not that I am on the fence ... rather I provide a synergy (standing on Brethren's opening of the truth) of both Calvinism and Arminianism (which you standing on).

And concerning initial and full salvation. It solves all problems both parties have

Very sad situation. What's worse is the attitude that when we try to share more ... they will replied, please go to the unbelievers ... they need it more

We are all blur sotong before .... until someone helps us in our understanding. We just have to be open lar.

You will be surprised if someone in your cell group replied, "I also not sure and want to know ;P "?

Sometimes I am being "evil" ... their eyes pops out always when I show this verse:

1 Timothy 2:4

Who [God] desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth.

Most people only emphasize the first part :/

You sure you are not quoting from somewhere??? Ok ... let's assume it is true .... then how will you explain IN CONTEXT, the verses in chapter 1? John addressing the 7 churches and using these words?

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is coming, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,

5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful Witness, the Firstborn of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood

6 And made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father, to Him be the glory and the might forever and ever. Amen.

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;;; then I can use the same reason to you ...

One thing is that you to believe the God is sovereign to keep the divine revelation intact even though there are small differencing textual or grammatical errors.

This is what we have. If you question this ... then there is nothing even to talk about ... or hold on to. INCLUDING your stand ... seriously

Galatians 3:19

19 Why then the law? It was added because of the transgressions until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, it being ordained through angels in the hand of a mediator.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 15 2012, 11:26 AM

Wow ..... you are the first ... Most expositor’s Greek Testament rightly considers “the law” of Galatians 3:19 to be a reference to the Law of Moses.

What is your ground in Greek? If not, what does this law refers to?

Indeed ... this was fulfilled in the Lord as the law of the Spirit of life in us.

In principle, the law is the regulating of the being of God’s people by God Himself, or rather, by what God is. We as the people of God must be regulated by what God is. We must live, move, and have our being according to what He is and corresponding to what He is. If God were a God of hatred and murder, we would have to live in the way of hatred and murder people day by day. In this way our moving and acting would be corresponding to God. But, as we know, our God is a God not of hatred but of love. Therefore, we must live according to His love, being regulated by what He is.

There are two ways to have God as our law, our regulation. One way is to paint a picture of God, that is, to write down a description of what He is, and put it before us. Then we may read it and see what kind of God He is. This is the way of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are a description, a picture, of God. This outward way does not work well. To be regulated outwardly by a description of even a small person is not easy. We would have to walk as he walks, stand as he stands, and pronounce our words with his accent. This is not easy.

The other way is that God Himself—the living law, not the written law; the real person, not the picture—comes into us. If a living person comes into us to be the law within us, there is no need of an outward description. This is the difference between the old law, the law of letters, and the new law, the law of life. The old law was a picture, a photograph, a description of God presented to us outwardly, according to which we should live, walk, and do things. This does not work. The new law, the law of life, is God Himself coming into us to be the law. He comes into us to be a person, so there is no need only to have His picture. The person Himself is within us, living and working in us as the living law.

Marvelous, we have the anointing today, the Person of God in us

Eh? Never seen you before ....

Eh? You just don't read what other post? Nobody says it was faulty. That is really from your mouth.

It was added because of our transgression. Until Christ comes, there must be child conductor because we are all fallen man.

The law is a custodian that keeps sinners by condemning them. Apart from the law’s condemnation, it could not function as a custodian. Without the law’s exposure and condemnation, we cannot realize how many sins we have committed against God. Without the law, we would be without regulation or restriction. But because the law condemns us, we are kept by the law. If there had been no law to condemn the people, there would have been no need of redemption. We need redemption because we are under the condemnation of the law. By exposing and condemning us, the law keeps us for Christ and brings us to Christ.

This is why there is Old and New Testament. It is new, because Christ came.

Lol ... just came back from lunch

Indeed ... I agreed on the need of the gospelisation part. But, there is also the mutual fellowship between believers for each other building up. Let's be balance on this ....

Whether, the discussion or fellowship turns into mud-slinging depends on the individuals, unfortunately, but it does not invalidate the needs the need of fellowship and mutual sharing. Or individual Christians we will become.

But of course, this definitely does not justify denominationalism.

Cheers bro.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Oct 15 2012, 12:54 PM

I know where you coming from. Neither are we for debate' sake. We can only hope for mutual respects for one another.

Furthermore, the practice comes from the understanding of the truth. How can we practice what we don't know.

Yah. That is why we applied His redemptive blood to our sins. It is not that we purposely sin for the fun of it.

7 But if we awalk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from every sin.

8 If we say that we do not have sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have anot sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

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Also, the different times of the judgement, are you familiar?

The believers being judged at the judgment seat of Christ at His coming back (1 Cor. 4:4-5; 3:13-15)
The living being judged at Christ’s throne of glory before the millennium. (Matt. 25:31-46)
The dead unbelievers being judged by Christ at the great white throne after the millennium (Revelation 20:11-15).

Hi Noyze ....

First time seeing you around here?

You sure you are not doing the same thing?

Have your considered what I share on the dispensational punishment?

Anyway .... it seem that you never ask me directly ... so ... pai seh also ... lar I won't try anymore

Cheers!

Hi fylgyp!

Ooo ... nice to meet you! Never seen you here before.

In 6:4-9 Moses went on to speak of loving Jehovah their God with all their heart, with all their soul, and with all their might, of keeping God's words upon their heart, teaching them diligently to their children, binding them on their hand as a sign, wearing them as frontlets between their eyes, and writing them on the doorposts of their house and on their gates.

In the New Testament experience today we need to love Christ, keep Christ, teach Christ, wear Christ, and write Christ. XD