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post Jul 11 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 10 2012, 10:07 PM)
I am unclear about this. May I know more of this?
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Truth is always twofold (i.e. the twofoldness of the truth). This is not about OSAS vs non OSAS.

Salvation

By grace (Eph. 2:8).
By faith (Luke 7:50).
Obtained in this age (John 5:24).
For sinners (1 Tim. 1:15).
Received by all believers (2 Tim. 1:9).

Reward

According to righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8).
According to works (Matt. 16:27).
Obtained in the future (Rev. 11:18).
For believers (Phil. 3:14).
Received only by the overcomers (Rev. 3:21).


Inheriting the kingdom of God is different from entering into the kingdom of God through regeneration. Having entered into the kingdom by being regenerated, we now need to grow and develop in the divine life. Then, as a result of this growth and development, we shall inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore, we should not think that simply because we have entered into the kingdom of God we shall inherit the kingdom. We cannot inherit the kingdom unless we grow to maturity in the proper development in the divine life.

First Corinthians 6, Galatians 5, and Ephesians 5 all speak of inheriting the kingdom of God. In 1 Corinthians 6:9a Paul asks, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?" To inherit the kingdom of God in the next age is a reward to the saints who seek righteousness (Matt. 5:10, 20; 6:33). Believers who are not righteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. According to the Lord's word in Matthew, we must be absolutely righteous if we are to inherit the coming kingdom as a reward. The Lord even says that our righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees (Matt. 5:20). Because God's kingdom is established upon righteousness, we must be righteous in order to inherit it.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9b and 10 Paul speaks of different kinds of persons who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Once again, Paul does not speak of entering the kingdom of God but of inheriting the kingdom of God. To enter the kingdom of God we simply need a new birth (John 3:3, 5), but to inherit the kingdom of God we need to live in the reality of the kingdom of the heavens now.

(just a start ... but I can made a sweeping generalization that this truth, though not readily understood / missing in Christianity, solves the eternal war between Calvinism and Armanism)

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post Jul 17 2012, 11:52 AM

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Afternoon saints! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 19 2012, 11:30 AM

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If you read my earlier post on salvation and reward ... you will understand this passage
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post Jul 19 2012, 12:50 PM

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Be at rest, bro.

You should not think that you have committed the unpardonable sin. Saying something that offends God is not a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Speaking something against Christ is not a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The only unpardonable sin is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, not against Christ. Quenching the Holy Spirit is not the same as blaspheming against the Holy Spirit; neither can rejecting the Holy Spirit nor resisting the Holy Spirit be considered a blasphemy against Him.

Verse 29 says, "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness forever, but is guilty of an everlasting sin." It is clear that this is a unique and special sin.

What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? It is to speak with one's mouth things which blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. How can we know that this sin is a sin that involves words of the mouth? Please read verse 30: "He said this because they said, He has an unclean spirit." This sin is not as easy to commit as many think today. In order to commit such a sin, a person must have clearly seen the Lord casting out demons and performing miracles and works of wonders by the Spirit of God when He was on earth. In spite of this knowledge, he would still have to insist on saying that the Lord Jesus was demon-possessed.

For a person to commit this sin, he must (1) see the Lord Jesus with his own eyes; (2) personally witness the Lord performing wonders and miracles among the people; (3) know clearly that this was the work of the Holy Spirit; and yet (4) still insist on saying that this is the work of demons. How can we commit the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit if we have not seen the Lord with our own eyes, have not personally seen Him performing wonders and miracles among us, and have not clearly known that those works were done by the Holy Spirit? We have neither the opportunity nor the possibility of committing this sin. If someone or even the devil says to us that we have committed the sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit and can never be forgiven, we can immediately answer that there is no such thing because we have not personally seen the Lord, His wonders, or His miracles. Moreover, we have not said that wonders and miracles were done by the devil while assuredly knowing that they were done by the Holy Spirit.
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post Jul 20 2012, 01:55 PM

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Hi ...
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post Jul 27 2012, 07:58 AM

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Experience of life.

In the whole universe all the different kinds of lives are not the real lives. They are simply the types, figures, and shadows of life. The real life is God Himself. We have to see how God comes to be our life. He comes firstly in Christ and secondly through the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Christ is called the life (1 John 5:12; John 11:25; 14:6), and the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of life (Rom. 8:2). This very Spirit of life is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. Therefore, this Spirit is the Spirit of the Triune God. Moreover, the very Spirit of the Triune God comes into our spirit to make our spirit His residence. He dwells there, lives there, and works there, taking our human spirit as His home, His house, His residence.

First John 4:13 says, “In this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, that He has given to us of His Spirit.” We all know that the Holy Spirit is within us, but within what part of us does He dwell? We need to locate the Holy Spirit within us. Romans 8:16 proves that the Holy Spirit today is within our spirit, taking our spirit as His abode, His residence. This verse says, “The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God.” To be the children of God is a matter of life, which is testified by the Holy Spirit as life in our spirit. This proves that the Spirit of God as the Spirit of life resides and dwells in our spirit. Our human spirit is the abode, the residence, the house, of the Holy Spirit.

A rule, or principle, is that in order to have a strong ground in the Scriptures, we always need at least two verses to prove a matter, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses we can establish it. Therefore, we may also use 1 Corinthians 6:17, which says, “But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.” The Lord is the Spirit, and when we join with the Lord, we become one with the Lord in spirit; we are one spirit with the Lord. This proves that the Holy Spirit is mingled together with our human spirit, and our spirit is the place where the Holy Spirit dwells. Today we can locate the Holy Spirit not only within us but also, in a very definite way, in our spirit, because He witnesses with our spirit, and we are joined to the Lord in our spirit as one spirit.

In addition, Philippians 2:13 shows us that God is working within us. This verse says, “For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure.” The Triune God who is now dwelling within us through His Spirit is working within us both to will and to do. In the same principle, Hebrews 13:20-21 says that the God of peace does in us that which is well pleasing in His sight. However, by these two passages alone we cannot prove that it is the Holy Spirit who is working. For this, we must use 1 John 2:27, which speaks of the anointing as the indwelling and working Spirit who abides in us and teaches us concerning all things. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of life dwelling in us and working within us.


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post Jul 30 2012, 05:01 PM

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THE EXPERIENCES OF LIFE BEING THE EXPERIENCES OF GOD

What are the real experiences of life? If we realize that life is the Triune God Himself, we must realize that the real experience of life is the experience of God.

If a person says that he has had some Christian experiences, he may simply mean that he has repented. Formerly he was a sinner, but now he has repented and turned to God. However, there are at least two different kinds of repentance. One kind of repentance is merely a human repentance without experiencing God. There is another kind of repentance: while someone is repenting, he can experience God within him. What is the difference between the repentance of a worldly person and the repentance of a true Christian? According to the general teachings in today’s Christianity, repentance is merely a change of direction and a dropping of the old life. I do not say that this definition of repentance is right or wrong.

Real repentance is a repentance in which we experience God, a repentance in which God passes through us and we pass through God. It is a repentance in which we have been met by God and we meet God. After this kind of repentance, something of God Himself is mingled with us. We may compare this with our drinking of water, after which the water is mingled with us. For Christians, real repentance is the way in which, with which, or by which we experience God. God passes through our being—through our heart, through our spirit, and even through our understanding—and we pass through God. We experience God in such a repentance.

Formerly a brother may have been very proud and careless. One day he receives the feeling that he is wrong to be this way, so he makes up his mind to adjust himself to be humble and careful. This is a repentance, and it is a repentance experienced by a Christian. However, do you believe this repentance is a real experience of life? It is not. Such a repentance has nothing to do with God. A real repentance as an experience of life is one in which God one day meets someone, and he meets God. Then, in the presence of God he has the feeling that he is proud and careless. God passes through him, and God brings him to pass through Him. He does not make up his mind to be humble or careful. He simply tells the Lord, “Lord, here I am. I am this kind of person, Lord, but I praise You that today You have met me and I have met You. O Lord, praise You, I have met You here!” After this there is a real change within him. This is the real experience of life in the matter of repentance. The real experience of life is that we experience God, we let God pass through us, and we pass through God. It is something in which we and God are mingled together. It is not that we alone do something. It is God Himself mingled with us to cause us to have a change. This is a real repentance as the experience of life.

Many Christians today talk about love. There are also two different kinds of love. One is the human love, while the other is the divine love, that is, God Himself experienced by us. One day we may hear a message saying that we have to love one another. After we hear this, we may repent and make up our mind that from now on we will love our brothers. We may pray, asking the Lord to help us, “Lord, I am weak in this matter. Please help me to love my brothers.” Then we will try our best to love others. The first day we may truly succeed. Then the second day we may succeed about seventy percent of the time, the third day sixty percent, the following week only twenty percent, and after three weeks we may succeed only one percent of the time. We all know this story. Is this kind of “Christian love” a real experience of life? No, it is not. A real experience of life is the experience of God.

One day, perhaps while we are praying, studying, reading the Word, or even walking on the street, God may come to visit us. God meets us, and we meet God. Something penetrates and permeates us. Something of God passes through us. After this, even if we have not made up our mind to love others, we will unconsciously love others very much. We will have love, and this very love is nothing other than God Himself experienced by us and expressed by us toward others. What is the mutual love among Christians? It is God Himself expressed by us toward one another. This is a real experience of life. It is the experience of God Himself.

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post Aug 16 2012, 11:51 AM

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MOrning people!
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Aug 19 2012, 01:30 AM)
it actually not related about death, just a random question i always thought of when i meet a few Christians who turns their life away after facing difficulties. i wonder what will happened to them. and also to some of the members out there where often given false hope of the gospel.
and eventually lead me to question myself where i'll be facing a great challenge and what happened if i am not able to face it. currently i'm facing a dilemma which i'm not sure i will get myself over this or not, but this time i'm ok on wadever outcome. if i face a  much bigger challenge in the future it may not getting what i hoped for. and usually this creates doubts and cause me to hinder away from God.
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Christians have two great deficiencies before God. One is the failure to know themselves, and the other is the failure to know the riches of the Lord. It would be wonderful if a Christian knew himself and knew the riches of the Lord.

What is the necessary condition for experiencing the Lord's riches? This is something we must see; it is a condition which we must fulfill. If we do not meet this condition, we cannot expect to receive anything from the Lord. This necessary condition is being empty before God. If we want to be filled with the Lord's riches continually, we have to be emptied continually. The emptying experience is an ever-deepening experience. Therefore, we can never say that we are completely empty or that we cannot be emptied any further.

Luke 1:53 says, "The hungry He has filled with good things, and the rich He has sent away empty." This verse shows us that God's grace is reserved for one type of person—a hungry one. If a person comes to the meeting only for the purpose of observing and listening, he will not see anything or hear anything. If all that a person wants is some Bible knowledge, his real spiritual problems will not be solved. Only those with a pressing inward need and those who are determined to meet God will receive His riches.

It is an amazing thing that in our experience the Holy Spirit can empty us. Many genuine Christians have passed through such an experience. When we first became a Christian, we considered ourselves to be rather good and capable in everything. But after some time we noticed that the life we were living was short of the Christian standard; we realized that we had failed and could not go on anymore. Consequently, we felt dissatisfied, and we prayed for God to fill us up and make us obedient. God then ordered some unbearable and distasteful circumstances to come upon us. Yet by the grace of God, we eventually overcame them. Then we had something to testify about, and we were be able to say that we overcame. We were able to say that we overcame a certain particular matter and that, at a certain point in time, God filled us. We may have even thought that we would be an overcomer from that point on. But surprisingly, after some time, the victory was lost, and failure came back again. We thought that it was very easy to overcome, but it seemed as if all strength was gone, and new obstacles were before us again. There seemed to be a wall in front of us; we could not find any way out, and there did not seem to be any way to bypass it. Consequently, we said that our previous victory was lost, and we were no longer filled with God.

What is the significance of this kind of experience? You should bear in mind that in God's eyes the Christian life should be an ever-deepening life. A Christian should become emptier and emptier, and the Lord's riches to him should become fuller and fuller. After passing the first hurdle, you may think that there can be no higher life than what you have experienced; you may think that you can advance no further and that you have reached the summit. The Lord knows your condition. He does not want you to think that you have abundant life already. Therefore, He allows new difficulties to come upon you, and He places impossible things before you. Based on your past experiences, you may think that you will overcome again. But you fail at your first attempt. You may attribute your failure to the lack of vigilance and effort, and you may take greater care and exert more energy in tackling the situation the second time. Yet you fail again. You may think that your vigilance and effort is still too short and that you ought to exercise greater care and exert more energy. Yet the result again falls short of your expectation, and you fail once more. Eventually, you will find that you cannot overcome this hurdle; there is no way to handle the matter. You will be at a loss as to why you cannot overcome. You will wonder why you still fail and why the initial power of obedience is gone. At the same time, you will realize that it is not right that you repeatedly fail, and you will agonize over these failures. But God has only one reason for doing this—to lead you on further and to dig more deeply into you so that you may receive more filling. This is why new difficulties are in front of you all the time. Unless you have fresh filling, you will not be able to overcome these fresh difficulties. You should bear in mind that the further you go forward, the more difficulties there will be. All your difficulties are ordered by the Holy Spirit for the purpose of creating a stronger craving and hunger in you for Him.

Cheers.
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post Oct 1 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 09:28 AM)
Unfortunately, the first article, though commendable to defend the other side, falls into the other extreme smile.gif

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The false idea that “once under grace, we are already saved” is not founded upon scripture. Grace is God’s willingness to forgive past sins, as summarized in Ephesians 1:7: “…in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.”

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In order to understand this matter of the law, we must know the three aspects of the law: the principle of the law, the commandments of the law, and the rituals of the law. If you do not differentiate between these three things, you will never have a proper understanding of the law. As we have seen, the principle of the law is over. Today, in the dispensation of grace, God does not deal with us according to the principle of the law; rather, He deals with us according to the principle of faith. Whether or not we shall be justified, saved, and accepted by God depends on the principle of faith, not the principle of the law. As long as we have faith in Christ, we are justified by God, accepted by Him, and saved. This is what it means for the principle of the law to be abolished in Christ under the dispensation of grace.

Although the principle of the law has been abolished, the commandments of the law have not been annulled. Instead, the standard of these commandments has been uplifted. Thus, the commandments, related to the moral standards, have not been abolished; they will remain for eternity. Even for eternity we should not worship an idol, murder, steal, or lie. In His heavenly kingdom the King has uplifted the standard of the law in two ways: by complementing the lower laws and by changing the lower laws into higher laws. In this way the morality in the commandments of the law has been uplifted to a higher standard.

The kingly Savior Himself kept all the commandments of the law when He was on earth. Then He went to the cross to die for us. Through His substitutionary death, He fulfilled the law on the negative side. Furthermore, through His substitutionary death, He released His resurrection life into us, and we now have this resurrection life in our spirit. Because we are able to live by this resurrection life, we have the strength, ability, and capacity to have the highest standard of morality. As we walk according to the spirit (Rom. 8:4), we fulfill the righteous requirements of the law, fulfilling even more than the law requires. Therefore, we do not abolish the law; rather, we fulfill it in the highest way.

The third aspect of the law is the rituals of the law. For example, offering sacrifices and keeping the Sabbath are outward rituals of the law. These rituals were also terminated because they were part of the old dispensation of shadows, figures, and types, all of which have been fulfilled by Christ as the reality. We are no longer obligated to observe the rituals of the law. Therefore, the principle of the law and the rituals of the law have been terminated, but the commandments of the law, which require a high moral standard, have not been terminated. Rather, these commandments have been uplifted. By means of Christ as the resurrection life in our spirit, we can fulfill the standard of morality required by the higher law of the kingdom of the heavens. This word should make us clear concerning the law according to its three aspects: the principle of the law, the commandments of the law, and the rituals of the law
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Olga,

As much as I can share on the law versus grace ... it is more crucial to see the FULL salvation of God. There are many verses on the Bible that seems to question eternal salvation or speak of works .... Salvation, athough is eternal (once saved, we are saved forever), there is still the matter of the reward of the kingdom and the dispensational punishment during the millennium.

The truth always has 2 sides. On the one hand, our salvation is secure; yet it is only initial or a start. If we failed to mature in this age, we will suffer a dispensational punishment (refer. to outer darkness in Matt.) in the coming kingdom. So in the coming 1000 years, it will be either a reward or a punishment/shame to us depends on how we mature and work with Christ in this age. Of course, at the end, all will be matured sons of God to be the bride of Christ to become the New Jerusalem.

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The full salvation of the Triune God comprises many items in three stages. The first stage, the initial stage, is the stage of regeneration. This stage is composed of redemption, sanctification (positional—1:2; 1 Cor. 6:11), justification, reconciliation, and regeneration. In this stage, God has justified us through the redemption of Christ (Rom. 3:24-26) and regenerated us in our spirit with His life by His Spirit (John 3:3-6). Thus, we have received God’s eternal salvation (Heb. 5:9) and His eternal life (John 3:15), and become His children (John 1:12-13), who shall not perish forever (John 10:28-29). This initial salvation has saved us from God’s condemnation and from eternal perdition (John 3:18, 16).

The Progressing Stage

The second stage of salvation, the progressing stage, is the stage of transformation. This stage is composed of freedom from sin, sanctification (mainly dispositional—Rom. 6:19, 22), growth in life, transformation, building up, and maturing. In this stage, God is freeing us from the dominion of indwelling sin—the law of sin and death—by the law of the Spirit of life, through the effectiveness of the death of Christ working subjectively in us (Rom. 6:6-7; 7:16-20; 8:2). He is sanctifying us by His Holy Spirit (Rom. 15:16), with His holy nature, through His discipline (Heb. 12:10) and His judgment in His own house (1 Pet. 4:17). He is causing us to grow in His life (1 Cor. 3:6-7) and transforming us by renewing the inward parts of our soul by the life-giving Spirit (2 Cor. 3:6, 17-18; Rom. 12:2; Eph. 4:23) through the working of all things (Rom. 8:28). He is building us together into a spiritual house for His dwelling (1 Pet. 2:5; Eph. 2:22) and maturing us in His life (Rev. 14:15) for the completion of His full salvation. Thus, we are being delivered from the power of sin, the world, the flesh, the self, the soul (the natural life), and individualism into maturity in the divine life for the fulfilling of God’s eternal purpose.

The Completing Stage

The third stage, the completing stage, is the stage of consummation. This stage is composed of the redemption (transfiguration) of our body, conformity to the Lord, glorification, inheritance of God’s kingdom, participation in Christ’s kingship, and the topmost enjoyment of the Lord. In this stage, God will redeem our fallen and corrupted body (Rom. 8:23) by transfiguring it into the body of Christ’s glory (Phil. 3:21). He will conform us to the glorious image of His firstborn Son (Rom. 8:29), making us wholly and absolutely like Him in our regenerated spirit, transformed soul, and transfigured body. He will glorify us (Rom. 8:30), immersing us in His glory (Heb. 2:10) that we may enter into His heavenly kingdom (2 Tim. 4:18; 2 Pet. 1:11), into which He has called us (1 Thes. 2:12). He will cause us to inherit His kingdom as the topmost portion of His blessing (James 2:5; Gal. 5:21), even to reign with Christ, to be His co-kings, participating in His kingship over the nations (2 Tim. 2:12; Rev. 20:4, 6; 2:26-27; 12:5), and sharing His royal, kingly joy in His divine government (Matt. 25:21, 23). Thus, our body will be freed from the slavery of corruption of the old creation into the freedom of the glory of God’s new creation (Rom. 8:21), and our soul will be delivered out of the realm of trials and sufferings (1 Pet. 1:6; 4:12; 3:14; 5:9) into a new realm, full of glory (1 Pet. 4:13; 5:10), sharing and enjoying all the Triune God is, has, and has accomplished, attained, and obtained. This is the salvation, the salvation of our souls, which is ready to be revealed to us at the last time, the grace to be brought to us at the unveiling of Christ in glory (1 Pet. 1:13; Matt. 16:27; 25:31). This is the end of our faith. The power of God is able to guard us unto this that we may obtain it (1 Pet. 1:9). We should eagerly expect such a marvelous salvation (Rom. 8:23) and prepare ourselves for its splendid revelation (Rom. 8:19).

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So either we lose our soul life this 70-80 years ;P or 1000 years boot camp T_T

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post Oct 1 2012, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 10:02 AM)
Thank You.

Edit: was wondering why you went AWOL. biggrin.gif
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Real life caught up sometimes tongue.gif Can't spend too much time to post ... just can read what you brothers wrote... that's all smile.gif
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 10:24 AM)
The 10 Commandments you still have to obey.
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change.

When Jesus died on the cross the law of God is in our heart. Jesus sent the counselor ( Holy Spirit) to advice our heart what is the Law. That is why we know what is right and what is wrong.
We follow the law not because it is the law. It is because we love Jesus that is why we obey the law.
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Malachi 3:6 is a good verse; though we tend to use it to justify a lot of arguments tongue.gif ... Good for His eternal salvation smile.gif, His plan, His faithfulness, His love ... How come we apply it to the observance of 10 commandments when the verse, "[the law]...ADDED (something extra) because our transgression ... " It is transitional smile.gif

The Ten Commandments were called the testimony of God (Exo. 25:16). As the testimony of God the Ten Commandments are a picture, a portrait, of God. We may say that the law is a photograph of God. The law of God is a portrait of God. A particular law is always a portrait of the person who makes that law. For example, if bank robbers could make laws, they surely would set up laws to make it legal to rob banks.

We cannot fulfill it. Only God can (His portrait). Only Christ can. After we are saved, WE DON'T EVEN TRY TO KEEP/OBEY/FOLLOW THE laws. I repeat. DON'T. It is futile (seen in Romans 7).

Just love Him. Just let the law of Spirit of life in Romans 8 to operate. You don't have to tell the law of gravity to work or tried to keep/obey/follow gravity. The law just operates on earth as its condition (Einsteinium relativity whatever tongue.gif).

For human life to grow and operate, we just eat, eat, exercise, breath. Then children starts to talk, crawls, walk, function, do this and do that .... We just need to enjoy God's life, grow in the divine life, eat Him tongue.gif, drink Him as the living water. Grow! Then, SPONTANEOUSLY, without any effort or self consciousness, the highest morality of living is expressed. Spontaneously, the law is fulfilled not by your own effort BUT by the transformation of the Spirit in the growth of the divine life.



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Olga,

The Lord as the reality of the law is within YOU!!! tongue.gif

As I shared, the law is the spontaneous, automatic, regulating power of a life, which constantly regulates in order to bring forth all the riches of that life. The more the law regulates, the more the riches of the life are brought forth. If we keep a seed on a table, it has no chance to grow. This means there is no opportunity for the law of this life to regulate. However, if we put this little seed into the earth and water it, it will have much opportunity to grow, and the very law within this life will have the opportunity to regulate. The more the law regulates, the more the riches, the contents, of the life will be brought forth. Whether or not life grows absolutely depends on the regulating of its law. When the law regulates, the life grows; when the law does not regulate, the life does not grow.

Every life works by the regulation of its law. The same is true with the divine life within us. Romans 8:2 says that the law of the Spirit of life has freed us. The regulating of the law of the divine life sets us free from the law of sin and of death. With every life there is a law to bring forth all the riches of that life by its regulation. With the divine life within us, there is the need for the regulating of the divine law. If we stop the regulating of the law, we stop the work, the growing, of life.

There is no need to try to do good. We need to forget about all the old laws—the outward law of God in doctrine, the law of good, and the law of sin—and live by the third life, the divine life. With this divine life there is the strongest law, but it needs the opportunity. A seed has a life within it and a law in its life, but if we keep this seed in our pocket, it will have no opportunity to work. A seed needs a certain circumstance, environment, and opportunity. To put a seed into the earth and water it gives it the opportunity it needs. As Christians, there is no need to try to do good, but there is the need to give the opportunity to the law of the divine life. We have the responsibility of giving the opportunity, the spiritual environment, to the law of the divine life. If we do not give the divine law of the divine life the opportunity to regulate, it can do nothing.

Matthew and John are "sisters books" ... The highest life, which is, the divine life, eternal life, the Lord Himself is required to live out the highest life revealed in Matthew (Sermon on the mount?) ... Actually, He is the One living out of you.

The teaching in Ephesians about human life comes after chapters 1-3. There is the divine dispensing of the Triune God in chapter 1, Christ MAKING HIS HOME in our hearts in chapter 3 .. etc .... Only then, the is a charge to live according to the divine life.

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:20 AM)
I made myself clear that i obey the law because I love  Jesus. The Holy spirit which is in me lead me to the correct law or path.

I don't think both of you answer my question above.
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Indeed. Answering question does not mean what you want to hear smile.gif.... But let's be open. There is nothing right / wrong in fellowshipping.

Of course the Holy Spirit leads us all but it also works within the revelation of the Word ..

Why are you so adamant on obeying the law? Is there a Scriptural references on it?

Did you consider our sharing too? To love the law is just to love Christ happy.gif ...



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post Oct 1 2012, 11:35 AM

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Maybe another way of looking ... it does not mean that we can become evil, or break the laws, or loose or immoral ...

Rather, this living Person within us, regulates us even higher than the law. His love constrains us deeper and higher than the laws can.

We can't even do some things because there is a Person within us, expressing His love, His dislike, His being, His mind in us. We have no way but to obey Him because we love Him so much.
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:35 AM)
Why are you so adamant on obeying the law? Is there a Scriptural references on it?

The Holy Spirit that ask me to obey the law because  i love Jesus.
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I will be a devil advocate and says this:

"The Holy Spirit ask me to hate you"

Is this possible?
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post Oct 1 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 1 2012, 11:36 AM)
Well if you can obey the Law perfectly and Love Jesus without falling even once, Teh Tarik on me.  biggrin.gif
Indeed, I will treat you to a meal if you can. tongue.gif

The greatest apostle managed fulfills 9 yet failed on coveting.
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Indeed, and both of them point to Christ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Oct 1 2012, 01:39 PM)
My Bro

Colossians 2:14
He canceled the record of the charges agains us and took it away by nailing into the cross.

He canceled the record not the written code. If he canceled the written code then there will be no record of our charges.

Frankly i think you need to find new Church
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Er ... but seriously, the Greek word used, rendered “handwriting” denotes a legal document, a bond. Here it refers to the written law. The ordinances, or decrees, refer to the ceremonial law with its rituals, the forms or ways of living and worship. These ordinances God has taken out of the way by nailing them to the cross.

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