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empty-ball
post Feb 28 2011, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 28 2011, 09:17 AM)
wah u want the whole body sharp and background blurred..
there's a price u need to pay.. haha..
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haha, okok, i tot can do wif my kit lens or 55-200, i m thinking mayb my setting wrong or wat...haha
nid to pay cnt la, some more i m newbie, better ply wif my lenses 1st...dun hav a lot of money to change lens, hav good lens but wif a suck skill...thn no point liao...n waste money....


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:21 am
QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 28 2011, 09:20 AM)
yes yes... otherwise PP la better  laugh.gif
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ok, wat do u mean PP ??

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post Feb 28 2011, 09:23 AM

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ur 55-200 is ok.. set it 55mm and get the F4..
and move backward for the whole body..
make sure the background far² away..


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:23 am
QUOTE(empty-ball @ Feb 28 2011, 09:20 AM)
haha, okok, i tot can do wif my kit lens or 55-200, i m thinking mayb my setting wrong or wat...haha
nid to pay cnt la, some more i m newbie, better ply wif my lenses 1st...dun hav a lot of money to change lens, hav good lens but wif a suck skill...thn no point liao...n waste money....


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:21 am
ok, wat do u mean PP ??
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post processing.. meant using software nod.gif

This post has been edited by 8tvt: Feb 28 2011, 09:23 AM
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 28 2011, 09:23 AM)
ur 55-200 is ok.. set it 55mm and get the F4..
and move backward for the whole body..
make sure the background far² away..


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:23 am

post processing.. meant using software  nod.gif
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Oic, okok... Will try out soon...


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:29 amThx for a lot of guideline...

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post Feb 28 2011, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(empty-ball @ Feb 28 2011, 09:26 AM)
Oic, okok... Will try out soon...


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:29 amThx for a lot of guideline...
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Gogo take some photo and show us your improvements..otherwise someone will mock you for spamming later...LOL
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:35 AM

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yaya no practice how to improve..
need to kutuk² comment first.. lol
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Codyx @ Feb 28 2011, 09:33 AM)
Gogo take some photo and show us your improvements..otherwise someone will mock you for spamming later...LOL
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Okok...haha...
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(empty-ball @ Feb 28 2011, 09:20 AM)
haha, okok, i tot can do wif my kit lens or 55-200, i m thinking mayb my setting wrong or wat...haha
nid to pay cnt la, some more i m newbie, better ply wif my lenses 1st...dun hav a lot of money to change lens, hav good lens but wif a suck skill...thn no point liao...n waste money....


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:21 am
ok, wat do u mean PP ??
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Many factors affect background blur (they call it "bokeh"). The first 2 factors you already know from other members, which is focal length & aperture. Generally speaking, the longer your focal length, the more bokeh you will be able to generate in your photo. In the case of aperture, the bigger the aperture (smaller f-number), the more bokeh you will generate. So in your case, you will generate the maximum bokeh from your current gear line-up if you use your 55-200 lens, zoomed all the way to 200mm and aperture set to f5.6. This is pretty straight forward and cannot miss. Lens set to 200mm and camera set to A-mode to fix the aperture at f5.6 and you are good to go. rclxms.gif

The next factor is a bit more tricky and subjective to judge. This is what is called camera-to-subject distance & subject-to-background distance. Generally, the shorter the camera-to-subject distance is, the more the bokeh. and the longer the subject-to-background distance is, the more the bokeh. Take for example the photo below:

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Sony A850 & SAL85F14Z. 1/320s, F1.4, 85mm, ISO200. AWB.

My focal length is 85mm so that is in the telephoto range already. The aperture is massively big at F1.4. These are all equipment related and easy to nail. However, what you might not had noticed is that I am about 3 meters away from my subject (short camera-to-subject distance) and a good 10 to 15 meters away from the background (long subject-to-background distance). This combination gives me the bokeh that I wanted and it literally pops the subjects out from the background.

Hope this helps you.


Wow! I think I had written too much for the morning..... time for coffee break liao.... laugh.gif
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(kysham @ Feb 28 2011, 09:43 AM)
Many factors affect background blur (they call it "bokeh"). The first 2 factors you already know from other members, which is focal length & aperture. Generally speaking, the longer your focal length, the more bokeh you will be able to generate in your photo. In the case of aperture, the bigger the aperture (smaller f-number), the more bokeh you will generate. So in your case, you will generate the maximum bokeh from your current gear line-up if you use your 55-200 lens, zoomed all the way to 200mm and aperture set to f5.6. This is pretty straight forward and cannot miss. Lens set to 200mm and camera set to A-mode to fix the aperture at f5.6 and you are good to go.  rclxms.gif

The next factor is a bit more tricky and subjective to judge. This is what is called camera-to-subject distance & subject-to-background distance. Generally, the shorter the camera-to-subject distance is, the more the bokeh. and the longer the subject-to-background distance is, the more the bokeh. Take for example the photo below:

user posted image
Sony A850 & SAL85F14Z. 1/320s, F1.4, 85mm, ISO200. AWB.

My focal length is 85mm so that is in the telephoto range already. The aperture is massively big at F1.4. These are all equipment related and easy to nail. However, what you might not had noticed is that I am about 3 meters away from my subject (short camera-to-subject distance) and a good 10 to 15 meters away from the background (long subject-to-background distance). This combination gives me the bokeh that I wanted and it literally pops the subjects out from the background.

Hope this helps you.
Wow! I think I had written too much for the morning..... time for coffee break liao....  laugh.gif
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It help me bro...thx...will try it out soon...thx a lot...appreciate ur writing for so long ...haha
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post Feb 28 2011, 09:52 AM

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wah kysham, poisoned with such lens pengsan..

i doubt to create the bokeh @ 200mm (55-200mm) for the whole body..
alot of space involve.. half body should be easier..

or maybe 100mm F4? just try² la..
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It help me bro...thx...will try it out soon...thx a lot...appreciate ur writing for so long ...haha
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post Feb 28 2011, 11:35 AM

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Those of us who have been around this thread a long time, will eventually get tired of explaining the same beginner concepts to every new person who comes in.

It is totally normal, but let's not go "aiya more n00bs fedup lah!"

That is why we leave it to the former newbies, to explain to the newbies. That way, the former newbie gains more experience by being able to teach. At the same time, the way the former newbie explains, is sometimes easier to understand!

At the same time, those who have been around can also correct the former newbie if he/she is not technically correct.

I would rather, if one person asks a difficult question, anybody who doesn't know says "I don't know" and leaves it to someone who can, as opposed to someone just simply answering because "I think so lah".

Again, Uncle Google and Aunt Wikipedia are here to help - if you're not sure, you can always cross-check. It is good practice.

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post Feb 28 2011, 12:21 PM

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how much i can sell a230 with kitlens + warranty till 9/2011?
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post Feb 28 2011, 12:24 PM

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how much i can sell a230 with kitlens + warranty till 9/2011?
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around Rm800?
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Feb 28 2011, 01:05 PM)
Those of us who have been around this thread a long time, will eventually get tired of explaining the same beginner concepts to every new person who comes in.

It is totally normal, but let's not go "aiya more n00bs fedup lah!"

That is why we leave it to the former newbies, to explain to the newbies. That way, the former newbie gains more experience by being able to teach. At the same time, the way the former newbie explains, is sometimes easier to understand!

At the same time, those who have been around can also correct the former newbie if he/she is not technically correct.

I would rather, if one person asks a difficult question, anybody who doesn't know says "I don't know" and leaves it to someone who can, as opposed to someone just simply answering because "I think so lah".

Again, Uncle Google and Aunt Wikipedia are here to help - if you're not sure, you can always cross-check. It is good practice.

ahpingko: Reflector only, also can, but if you can use both, even better! biggrin.gif
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Agreed albnok but sometimes the sifus must stand up and correct those points which the former newbies missed out or say wrong to avoid misleading the current batch of newbie.

For those who have negative opinions about someone: Keep the sarcasms to yourself and let us guide new batches of users so that our family grows larger smile.gif They are not your competitors or something so please be open minded and patient with them as some of the older members were patient with you when you just started. We should be helping one another. Leave the hate and competitiveness during competitions, when prizes are involved cheers.gif HAHAHA!
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:40 PM

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presenting my well measured but poor finished ring flash.
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samples:
#1 with ring flash
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#2 without ring flash
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:43 PM

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wow...took how long?
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:45 PM

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Codyx: around 5 hours with breaks. XP anyway, i chose the wrong material.
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QUOTE(eddybeh @ Feb 28 2011, 01:45 PM)
Codyx: around 5 hours with breaks. XP anyway, i chose the wrong material.
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haha...make a DIY thread of this...btw...i am guessing you using aluminum foils inside the ring barrel to divert the light around the ring...correct? hmm.gif rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:56 PM

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spam old pic...
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post Feb 28 2011, 01:57 PM

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Codyx: yeah. actually i followed a website suggested by templar in alphanatics. XP this is the link

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