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atreyuangel
post Aug 5 2011, 02:26 PM

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Yep, the current deal from the Brits are the best, but still
nothing clear yet.
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is 30 plane all together too much rmaf to handle? maintenance cost i mean...
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^you obviously don't know RMAF

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post Aug 6 2011, 12:59 PM

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China's Weak in Anti Submarine Warfare ?

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Type 056 Anti Submarine Corvettes (photo : pakdef)

'Achilles heel' of the PLA

Whether China can be proud of the first carriers and continue to upgrade a series of anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM), but the navy still easily vulnerable to attacks by vessel underwater vessel of enemy.

Demonstrates the weakness of China's major anti-submarine warfare the PLA is not only more than a dozen maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) - a force for anti-submarine warfare of the most major the advanced navy in the world.

Therefore, the defense analyst China is very concerned about the challenges of foreign submarines could create for the interests and ambitions of China Marine.

To fill the gap in anti-submarine warfare, the PLA is now building the foundation for anti-submarine capabilities are more advanced one or two decades.

Submarine warfare against non-conventional

Currently, the means of effective anti-submarine warfare of the PLA is the means of "non-conventional", including:

- Operations torpedoes once considered a strength of the PLA and is a main selection of the activity in defense against submarines in the area in the Yellow Sea or the Taiwan Strait Loan.

Analysts PLA often discussed using torpedoes to attack enemy submarines, even the secret use of commercial ships converted torpedo spread into waters where enemy submarines have work.

A senior naval officers of China's Navy Research Center in Beijing recently proposed in the future of unmanned vehicles in the water can be used to deploy mines to increase the possibility torpedoes combat effectiveness of China's anti-submarine warfare.

- Fishing vessels and fishing boats: Some sources said the PLA intends to use the fishing vessels and ships of war of the future submarine.

In fact, a major fishing a board has been re-equipped for this task. The vessel is equipped with a helicopter anti-submarine, anti-submarine torpedoes and sonar equipment pulled.

In the future, the coast guard ship China will be improved according to the trend to enhance anti-submarine warfare of the Chinese Navy.

Conventional anti-submarine warfare

- Development of sonar technology drag: long Chinese navy has deployed a large fleet of ships built underground stretch of water weighs less (Type 037), but still lacks a force of modern surface warships perform anti-submarine war, even when equipped with two air defense frigates (Type 054) and destroyers (Type 052) modernity.

Chinese navy has not prioritized the development of sonar technology, although technology has been dragging sonar French exports to China early in 1980. The hull-mounted sonar surface combat the latest China is capable of detecting targets at long distances.

Recently believe surface warship force of China is the latest installation of domestic drilling H/SJG-206 sonar can detect targets at a distance of 100km.

- Force corvette: China will launch an anti-submarine corvette modern in the years ahead. According to the Chinese media is the Type-056 corvettes, with a length of about 90 m and the displacement of 1,500 tons.Future anti-submarine protector of the Chinese Navy Type 056.

On board are a marine radar and a nasal sound in the apron capable of receiving a Haitun Z-9 helicopters. Weapons on board, including a 76 mm cannon in the nose (probably a replica cannon Russian AK-176), four anti-ship missiles YJ-2, YJ-3 or YJ-83 (C-802/C-803 ) in the vessel and a system of short range air defense missile FL-3000N on the superstructure in the stern. Maybe the nose is the ship column layout scour radar Type 348 (LR-66). Type-056 is expected to replace or complement the Type-037 ships.

- Navy Helicopter: To enhance anti-submarine from the air, the Chinese navy has stepped up developing some kind of helicopter anti-submarine warfare as the Z-9C and Z-8.

However, analysts believe that the Chinese navy, helicopter Z-9C has not met the requirements of anti-submarine warfare by the Z-9C lack the ability to carry heavy load to carry on your processor fly, float glass negative and anti-submarine weapons, although Z-9C is mounted a pair of 1-2 pylons to carry out anti-submarine torpedo domestic ET52 has a range of up to 9.5 km.

In addition, Z-9C is equipped with a Type 605 sonar (copies of AN/AQS-13 U.S.), a float glass tank 12 passive voice, active voice 4 float glass, float glass sound a thermometer sound levels and a float glass determined the ocean environment.

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Anti-submarine helicopter Z-9C (photo : CATIC)

Z-9C installed a wireless receiver to record the audio signal of float glass at a distance of 10 km while flying at the speed of 120km / h.

While Z-8 size too big, not suitable for most surface ships of the PLA. Therefore, the PLA must import Helix Ka-28 helicopters from Russia in large numbers to enhance anti-submarine capabilities.

- Anti-submarine aircraft fixed wing: sea patrol aircraft now become a means of anti-submarine warfare is possible with the advantages of high maneuverability, long flying time, load and less vulnerable to the weapons deployed on submarines as well as wide range of scour.

The Chinese navy is considering making fixed-wing aircraft Y-8 is capable missile for ships with only small quantities due to lack of overseas bases to the task of sea patrols in the area far green country.

According to analysts, this will be remedied in a decade. Other direction in the development of underground facilities from the air against the Chinese navy is more investment in anti-submarine systems, unmanned aerial.

- Submarine: Mission anti-submarine warfare is in place to force China's diesel submarines from relatively early because of the diesel submarine may have some advantages when operating in shallow coastal areas and the the AIP is not complete. The rig was pulled sonar equipment on the submarine of the PLA.

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Type-039G Song class submarine (photo : chinabba)

Song-class submarines were equipped with anti-submarine torpedoes first heavy weapons and anti-submarine launch rocket (ASROC in Western naval forces). Nuclear submarine force of China is also equipped with the anti-submarine technology but seek speeds to detect enemy submarines is still relatively slow.

In addition, the level of submariners in submarine warfare is not high and combat experience almost no also significantly reduce the ability of anti-submarine warfare the PLA, but they have certain advantages as familiar with the conditions and depth of oceanography in the waters near China.

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post Aug 6 2011, 01:21 PM

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Majlis Pelancaran Kapal Auxiliary TLDM Bunga Mas Enam, BM6.

Dataran Malaysia Marine and Heavy Engineering Sdn Bhd, MMHE, Pasir Gudang, Johor

8 Ogos 2011
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Kapal Auxiliary TLDM BM6.
Kapal dagang kedua yang diubahsuai khas selepas BM5 bagi tujuan melindungi dan mengiringi kapal-kapal MISC, di Teluk Aden.

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Ship Type: Cargo
Length x Breadth: 132m X 23m
Speed recorded (Max / Average): 40.7 / 40.7 knots
Flag: Malaysia [MY] Call Sign: 9MCO4
MMSI: 533168000 IMO: 9121687
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The below photo is of a Spanish solider carrying a H&K G36 rifle fitted with the Spanish Future Solider program (COMFUT / COMbatiente FUTuro) accessories. The rifle is equipped a huge day/night scope with integrated ballistic computer and camera. For close quarter combat (and when the main optic's battery runs dry) an EOTech holographic sight is included. Along with the scopes, an underbarrel grenade launcher and rail-mounted flashlight add a few more pounds to the already heavy weapons system.

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the soldier looks like battling with his high tech gear than with the enemy.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 6 2011, 10:02 PM)
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The below photo is of a Spanish solider carrying a H&K G36 rifle fitted with the Spanish Future Solider program (COMFUT / COMbatiente FUTuro) accessories. The rifle is equipped a huge day/night scope with integrated ballistic computer and camera. For close quarter combat (and when the main optic's battery runs dry) an EOTech holographic sight is included. Along with the scopes, an underbarrel grenade launcher and rail-mounted flashlight add a few more pounds to the already heavy weapons system.

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this is no way to go into battle...
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Aug 6 2011, 10:02 PM)
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The below photo is of a Spanish solider carrying a H&K G36 rifle fitted with the Spanish Future Solider program (COMFUT / COMbatiente FUTuro) accessories. The rifle is equipped a huge day/night scope with integrated ballistic computer and camera. For close quarter combat (and when the main optic's battery runs dry) an EOTech holographic sight is included. Along with the scopes, an underbarrel grenade launcher and rail-mounted flashlight add a few more pounds to the already heavy weapons system.

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fight in mareshia belum perang sudah mati kepanasan...
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hahaha

kalo dlm hutan Malaysia mati kepanasan woo

dah la agility -9999
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have u guy seen this????
Chinook shot down in Afghanistan, 37 killed.
various posts on the thread say at least 20++ US Navy SEAL TEAM SIX commando that involve in the BIN LADEN Raid in pakistan are among the casualties, shocking sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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Yes, the pulling back of US forces ing Afghanistan is taking effect!
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QUOTE(James831 @ Aug 7 2011, 01:58 AM)
have u guy seen this????
Chinook shot down in Afghanistan, 37 killed.
various posts on the thread say at least 20++ US Navy SEAL TEAM SIX commando that involve in the BIN LADEN Raid in pakistan are among the casualties, shocking sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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they're from the same unit (seal team 6 devgru), but not the same personnel that were involved in pakistan mission. but still...20+ personnel from seal team 6, thats a huge loss sweat.gif


"......The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, and they could hardly have found a more valuable target: American officials said that 22 of the dead were Navy Seal commandos, including members of Seal Team 6. Other commandos from that team conducted the raid in Abbottabad, Pakistan, that killed Bin Laden in May. The officials said that those who were killed Saturday were not involved in the Pakistan mission...."

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still the lost of 20 best of the best US Navy SEAL Team SIX is devastating.
whatever place they plan to raid must have High Value Target.
R.I.P
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that shows a lot,the Chinook is a slow,lumbering target....probably an easy target even for an RPG grenade.

No Operation Red Wings-style hero stories this time,huh? heard all of the guys went down with the chinook with no survivors.Guess no History channel 2-hour specials for these guys....

Hmm...wonder how this will affect the pullout of US forces from afghanistan....the Taliban seems to flex their muscles more now knowing the enemy has planned a withdrawal....

It seems that when/if the US goes ahead with the plan,not really sure the Afghan army could really handle things there...

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just wondering guys, how much of these can be taken for truth?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

kinda curious here, whether the provided figures are relevant/reliable
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Aug 8 2011, 08:47 AM)
just wondering guys, how much of these can be taken for truth?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

kinda curious here, whether the provided figures are relevant/reliable
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yay i believed indeed, Malaysia & umno menuju kuasa besar dunia, we beat Singapork, hell yeah!
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QUOTE(Naskah @ Aug 8 2011, 09:06 AM)
yay i believed indeed, Malaysia & umno menuju kuasa besar dunia, we beat Singapork, hell yeah!
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hmm...personally don't put much faith in just displaying the numbers only....
this system of rating will make some armies stand out more than others,as an analogy, a guy with 10 mediocre cars against a guy who has 2 ferraris,who will win a race? the type of car won't matter as both will still be counted as cars,as in the review...
(sorry,bad comparison perhaps....but you get the idea)

I think there's a lot more intangible issues when deciding the actual power of a military force.



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