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Military Thread V6, Selamat Hari Raya dan Kemerdekaan ke-54
Military Thread V6, Selamat Hari Raya dan Kemerdekaan ke-54
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Aug 13 2011, 06:23 AM
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Aug 13 2011, 09:19 AM
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saw Chinese newspaper post news that one seller success import scale 1:1 replica firearm to Malaysia from HK using fast mail.
Now police is try to track the 100 buyer cause the gun is modified able to have almost same firepower as real one. O.o our custom sure very stress now |
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Aug 13 2011, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Aug 13 2011, 06:23 AM) gundu ka? aku igt stark QUOTE(bai1101 @ Aug 13 2011, 09:19 AM) saw Chinese newspaper post news that one seller success import scale 1:1 replica firearm to Malaysia from HK using fast mail. probably smuggled into.Now police is try to track the 100 buyer cause the gun is modified able to have almost same firepower as real one. O.o our custom sure very stress now |
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Aug 13 2011, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE As China Launches Aircraft Carrier, Taiwan Touts ‘Aircraft Carrier Killer’ Unlikey happen to najib August 10, 2011, 9:17 PM HKT ![]() On the day China began sea trials of its first aircraft carrier, Taiwan made what can only be described as a provocative move, displaying its newest anti-ship cruise missile in front of an illustration of what appeared to be China’s new carrier being hit by missiles. Above the missile, known as the Hsiung Feng III, was a sign that labeled the weapon an “aircraft carrier killer.” The missile was being displayed as part of a preview ahead of the annual Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition. Though there were no markings to indicate the carrier in the background illustration was Chinese, the ship featured a sloped runway similar to that of the Varyag – the Ukrainian carrier whose empty hull was used in the building of the new Chinese carrier, which has yet to be named. Although the Hsiung Feng III has been discussed as a potential deterrent to China’s ships and aircraft carriers, it has never been explicitly described as an anti-carrier weapon. Nonetheless experts played down the seemingly goading presentation of the missile, arguing that China is unlikely to see the missile as much of a threat. Former Deputy Defense Minister Chong Pin Lin told China Real Time he thought the display was more geared to a Taiwanese audience as the growing military imbalance between China and Taiwan has become an growing concern in Taiwan. China’s military might has increased by leaps and bounds over the past twenty years as it has ramped up spending. Meanwhile, Taiwan’s president Ma Ying-jeou has recently come under fire for allowing defense spending to slip below 3% of GDP. “This is likely for domestic consumption, it doesn’t mean anything to Beijing,” Mr. Lin said. “In fact, Beijing might like to see this because they want to see [president] Ma get re elected….and this tells our voters that the Ma administration is not being lax on defense.” He also said that he did not foresee China utilizing its aircraft carriers to threaten Taiwan, as placing a carrier group in the Pacific or South China Sea would be too provocative. Many analysts argue otherwise, pointing out that China has grown increasingly vocal in its territorial claims in the region and said its new defensive capabilities were being developed to help it enforce its claims. In a potential conflict with Taiwan, some analysts have argued, a carrier group would help keep the U.S. from intervening and could add to China’s ability to threaten a key Taiwan airbase on the island’s east coast at Hualien, where many of its F-16s are stationed. It would be hard to deny the potential affect of a growing Chinese navy on the balance of power in the region and the resulting concern, but the hawkish display seems out of place given the historic thaw in cross-Strait ties that Mr. Ma has presided over in recent years. Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said Wednesday that it had no immediate comment but would issue a statement about the display on Thursday. Regardless of whether the display was intended as a warning, it at least shows Taiwan is willing to challenge China in creating belligerent defense fair booths. Although not as technologically advanced as a Chinese display at the 2010 Zhuhai Air Show that showed unmanned aerial vehicles taking out a U.S. carrier, the vision of the missile suspended in front of an exploding aircraft carrier certainly makes an impact. – Paul Mozur. The Wall Street Journal |
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Aug 13 2011, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Aug 13 2011, 09:19 AM) saw Chinese newspaper post news that one seller success import scale 1:1 replica firearm to Malaysia from HK using fast mail. Not sure how that is humanly possible.Now police is try to track the 100 buyer cause the gun is modified able to have almost same firepower as real one. O.o our custom sure very stress now |
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Aug 14 2011, 02:52 AM
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MAS-Air Asia Share Swap: A Golden Opportunity for MAF.
PETALING JAYA: Over the weekend came reports that Tan Sri Tony Fernandes has been given the task to guide Malaysia Airlines (MAS) back into the black. Full details have yet to emerge but Khazanah Malaysiahttp://www.malaysiandefence.com/wp-admin/media-upload.php?post_id=1702&type=audio&TB_iframe=1 will remain the biggest shareholder with West Ham fan Tony set to extend his Midas touch so far. For further information, read here. We are not interested in the dealings of the airline industry but since MAS has a number of aircraft that has dual usage its time to re-look at my previous proposals on how to use these assets. With a new top dog on the job, rationalisation and redundancies will occur. MAS has more aircraft than it needs at the moment while the other government agencies, the Malaysian Armed Forces and the MMEA are crying for more planes, for AEW and maritime patrol. MAS has ordered 35 Boeing 737-800s and up to 25 Airbus 330s to re-capitalise its fleet. Some of the 737s had been delivered (not sure of the numbers) while the Airbus have yet to be delivered. I would like to propose here that Jalan Padang Tembak take six of the 737s that had yet to be delivered, four to be configured as P-8A Poseidon MPA and the other two fitted with the Wedgetail radar to serve as AEW aircraft. Two of the A330s should also be taken over by the Armed Forces as MRTT aircraft. In one fell swoop we have solved the problems of the armed services and MAS. The MRTT aircraft could also be used as cargo services when it is not needed by the armed forces. Since the aircraft had been paid for by Khazanah, I believe the cost of converting the eight aircraft to be around RM4 billion to RM6 billion. I know RM6 billion is not cheap but it will be more expensive for the Armed Forces to buy the planes directly. And it will be better than having to sell them cheaply in the open market. If you think, my proposal is illogical think again. A similar deal was carved out on the MAS BBJ around 2000 after the government took over the airline from Tajudin Ramli following the economic crisis in 1997. Hopefully, this post will be read with more interest in Jalan Padang Tembak rather than the usual disinterest. is it a viable way for RMAF to have AEW Aircraft ? |
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Aug 14 2011, 04:39 AM
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that is my wet dream! |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:06 PM
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Taliban who shot at US helicopter 'are dead'
US general says Afghan fighters who shot at helicopter which crashed leaving 38 personnel dead have been "dealt with" An air strike by NATO-led forces in Afghanistan has reportedly killed Taliban fighters, including a local leader, who were responsible for a weekend helicopter crash that left dozens of US navy SEALs and Afghan troops dead. The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said in a statement: "The [Wednesday] strike killed Taliban leader Mullah Mohibullah and the insurgent who fired the shot associated with the Aug 6 downing of the CH-47 helicopter, which resulted in the deaths of 38 Afghan and coalition service members." The statement did not say explicitly that the Taliban fighters had shot the helicopter down, although it was the clearest indication yet from NATO sources that it was the likely cause. The top US commander in Afghanistan also spoke about Monday's retaliatory mission. "At approximately midnight on 8 August, coalition forces killed the Taliban insurgents responsible for this attack ... We dealt with them in a kinetic strike," General John Allen, the commander of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, told reporters at the Pentagon. Allen also described the Saturday mission in depth for the first time, saying that the helicopter had been sent as a part of an operation targeting a Taliban leader. The attack took down a Chinook helicopter in the remote Tangi Valley in Afghanistan's Wardak province, causing the biggest loss of life for the US and its allies in a single day in the 10-year-long war. When elements of the Taliban fighters were seen "escaping", the Chinook helicopter, carrying Navy SEAL commandos and Afghan soldiers, was ordered in to head them off, said Allen. The helicopter was then shot out of the sky with a rocket-propelled grenade. US forces then tracked the fighters they said were responsible, calling in an air strike on Monday night with a F-16 fighter jet. The Taliban leader originally targeted in Friday's mission was not killed, Allen said. There have been at least 17 coalition and Afghan aircraft crashes in Afghanistan this year. Sauce |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:32 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « another shiat in the making..no wonder why mas cannot make a sustainable profit..those 737 NGs were meant to replace the current 737 400s..the old 737-4 only fly to southeast asia..while the 737-8 is even used to fly until japan..means it covers more area..and the proposal to make it as a military aircraft is a joke..go make a new order la..then whats the purpose of mas making orders until about 40 aircraft?..to put inside the hangar?..of course to replace the current 737-4..and to fly it to make profit.. |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Aug 14 2011, 03:32 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « another shiat in the making..no wonder why mas cannot make a sustainable profit..those 737 NGs were meant to replace the current 737 400s..the old 737-4 only fly to southeast asia..while the 737-8 is even used to fly until japan..means it covers more area..and the proposal to make it as a military aircraft is a joke..go make a new order la..then whats the purpose of mas making orders until about 40 aircraft?..to put inside the hangar?..of course to replace the current 737-4..and to fly it to make profit.. |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Aug 14 2011, 03:42 PM) this is just a proposal, marhalim abas is a defence writer.but his idea is good by using 737,A320 as platform for AEW, it has been done by other country. TUDM has the experience operating such craft, but it is not really easy to obtain wedge-tail system from the US, for me it is better to obtain EADS fitted on CASA or E2D. dont get me wrong, AEW is vital for our air force and I believe they will come with package with the MMRCA program! |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 14 2011, 03:54 PM) this is just a proposal, marhalim abas is a defence writer. The AEW is a given need for RMAF, budgets-aside. The contractual efforts is the shark waters!but his idea is good by using 737,A320 as platform for AEW, it has been done by other country. TUDM has the experience operating such craft, but it is not really easy to obtain wedge-tail system from the US, for me it is better to obtain EADS fitted on CASA or E2D. dont get me wrong, AEW is vital for our air force and I believe they will come with package with the MMRCA program! |
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Aug 14 2011, 04:43 PM
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buahahahahah
just because it shares theh same airframe design doesn't means it is the same as commercial one you google electra L-88.P-3 shares the same airframe design but one difference.electra fell out of the sky often but not P-3 last time P-3 langgar pesawat pejuang china the P-3 manage to land. |
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Aug 14 2011, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Aug 14 2011, 04:43 PM) buahahahahah hah, I remember that case, end up disassemble by the PRC before mail back to US! just because it shares theh same airframe design doesn't means it is the same as commercial one you google electra L-88.P-3 shares the same airframe design but one difference.electra fell out of the sky often but not P-3 last time P-3 langgar pesawat pejuang china the P-3 manage to land. |
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Aug 14 2011, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(James831 @ Aug 14 2011, 02:52 AM) I usually embrace all ideas , but this one is definitely worth shooting down ! A "defence writer" who does not even bother to get his facts right ? MAS has received 4 of their new 738 and a further dry lease of 5 b738 (no sky interior) as of August 2011. 2 A330's have been delivered since March (9M-MTA , MTB) not none as the writer stated. If he can't even be bothered to find out basic and much touted facts (in Khazanah's bulletin, MAS Going Places, NST , The Star, Maybank Finanicals, etc etc ) how dare he even try and estimate the amount it would cost to convert these planes into AWACS ? And what's with taking MH's planes ?? Why not AirAsia's ? MH does not have too many planes . It's AirAsia with their multi billion dollar order of 200++ A320's that will face this problem as their delivery dates get nearer and nearer. I speculate that Tony bought these planes now ala Ryanair with their B738 order, when he can afford them (or seems to anyway) jamming up the order list and forcing other airlines to lease these planes to them with a good margin. The MAS BBJ was given to the Federal Gov as a cost saving measure (MAS didn't have to pay and Khazanah got a gigantic tax relief) , and also because no one but our Sultans could have used it anyway. I remember an article where if you are not royalty, you will have to take off your shoes upon entering ... And this plane , DiRaja 1 did not have to go through any modification since it was already a VVIP transport .. so no $$ wasted. Why does the writer not cite Singapore as an example instead ? They are using 2 converted Fokker 50 for maritime patrols and it seems to be doing them well. But since their maintenance is getting more and more expensive let's not take that route. There are 5 of Berjaya's Q-400 STOL just waiting for buyers, Transmile MD11, B732 and B722 also sitting around Subang doing nothing. If TUDM had really wanted a AWACS badly I'm sure these aircraft would have been worthy for the task. A more realistic scenario is that TUDM does not actually need an AWACS. What would it do in peacetime anyway ? IMHO they are going the route of drones or aircraft big enough just to monitor a small hotspot, eg: human traffickers (land /sea), pirates, SAR etc. So a Gulfstream would be more than adequate |
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Aug 15 2011, 01:23 AM
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Aug 15 2011, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(corad @ Aug 14 2011, 10:52 PM) I usually embrace all ideas , but this one is definitely worth shooting down ! A "defence writer" who does not even bother to get his facts right ? MAS has received 4 of their new 738 and a further dry lease of 5 b738 (no sky interior) as of August 2011. 2 A330's have been delivered since March (9M-MTA , MTB) not none as the writer stated. Lets say, the situation at Spratly escalade very very quickly where SEA countries is at the brink of war with PRC...Do you think that if we order that time can dapat in 24 hours ?If he can't even be bothered to find out basic and much touted facts (in Khazanah's bulletin, MAS Going Places, NST , The Star, Maybank Finanicals, etc etc ) how dare he even try and estimate the amount it would cost to convert these planes into AWACS ? And what's with taking MH's planes ?? Why not AirAsia's ? MH does not have too many planes . It's AirAsia with their multi billion dollar order of 200++ A320's that will face this problem as their delivery dates get nearer and nearer. I speculate that Tony bought these planes now ala Ryanair with their B738 order, when he can afford them (or seems to anyway) jamming up the order list and forcing other airlines to lease these planes to them with a good margin. The MAS BBJ was given to the Federal Gov as a cost saving measure (MAS didn't have to pay and Khazanah got a gigantic tax relief) , and also because no one but our Sultans could have used it anyway. I remember an article where if you are not royalty, you will have to take off your shoes upon entering ... And this plane , DiRaja 1 did not have to go through any modification since it was already a VVIP transport .. so no $$ wasted. Why does the writer not cite Singapore as an example instead ? They are using 2 converted Fokker 50 for maritime patrols and it seems to be doing them well. But since their maintenance is getting more and more expensive let's not take that route. There are 5 of Berjaya's Q-400 STOL just waiting for buyers, Transmile MD11, B732 and B722 also sitting around Subang doing nothing. If TUDM had really wanted a AWACS badly I'm sure these aircraft would have been worthy for the task. A more realistic scenario is that TUDM does not actually need an AWACS. What would it do in peacetime anyway ? IMHO they are going the route of drones or aircraft big enough just to monitor a small hotspot, eg: human traffickers (land /sea), pirates, SAR etc. So a Gulfstream would be more than adequate another way to think about military procurement, as a kind of insurance. let me give you an anology.. Do you have a car? If u have a car do you insured it? why do you insured it ? Are you sure that one day u will need it ? If u are not sure, the why insured you car as u are just wasting your money for something that you are not sure of.. the same applies to the military forces. No we don't know if the equipment is going to be used or not. But when the time arrive where we need it..We sure want it in our hands |
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Aug 15 2011, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(corad @ Aug 14 2011, 10:52 PM) I usually embrace all ideas , but this one is definitely worth shooting down ! A "defence writer" who does not even bother to get his facts right ? MAS has received 4 of their new 738 and a further dry lease of 5 b738 (no sky interior) as of August 2011. 2 A330's have been delivered since March (9M-MTA , MTB) not none as the writer stated. u think u can bargain military equipment during wartime? If he can't even be bothered to find out basic and much touted facts (in Khazanah's bulletin, MAS Going Places, NST , The Star, Maybank Finanicals, etc etc ) how dare he even try and estimate the amount it would cost to convert these planes into AWACS ? And what's with taking MH's planes ?? Why not AirAsia's ? MH does not have too many planes . It's AirAsia with their multi billion dollar order of 200++ A320's that will face this problem as their delivery dates get nearer and nearer. I speculate that Tony bought these planes now ala Ryanair with their B738 order, when he can afford them (or seems to anyway) jamming up the order list and forcing other airlines to lease these planes to them with a good margin. The MAS BBJ was given to the Federal Gov as a cost saving measure (MAS didn't have to pay and Khazanah got a gigantic tax relief) , and also because no one but our Sultans could have used it anyway. I remember an article where if you are not royalty, you will have to take off your shoes upon entering ... And this plane , DiRaja 1 did not have to go through any modification since it was already a VVIP transport .. so no $$ wasted. Why does the writer not cite Singapore as an example instead ? They are using 2 converted Fokker 50 for maritime patrols and it seems to be doing them well. But since their maintenance is getting more and more expensive let's not take that route. There are 5 of Berjaya's Q-400 STOL just waiting for buyers, Transmile MD11, B732 and B722 also sitting around Subang doing nothing. If TUDM had really wanted a AWACS badly I'm sure these aircraft would have been worthy for the task. A more realistic scenario is that TUDM does not actually need an AWACS. What would it do in peacetime anyway ? IMHO they are going the route of drones or aircraft big enough just to monitor a small hotspot, eg: human traffickers (land /sea), pirates, SAR etc. So a Gulfstream would be more than adequate u think we are in economic position to bargain during war time? |
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Aug 15 2011, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(verex @ Aug 15 2011, 01:44 AM) Lets say, the situation at Spratly escalade very very quickly where SEA countries is at the brink of war with PRC...Do you think that if we order that time can dapat in 24 hours ? An accurate perception but this "insurance" has to be much more tactical than just arming ourselves up. No war in history has ever been won without allies. And this is the route I see M'sia taking. We don't need these big fancy machines now or for the next 30-50 years. I'm not saying we don't need an Airbone Platform, but certainly no need for a full scale AWACS. After all, how many of our fighters are required to be on CAP 24/7 ?? = 0 . another way to think about military procurement, as a kind of insurance. let me give you an anology.. Do you have a car? If u have a car do you insured it? why do you insured it ? Are you sure that one day u will need it ? If u are not sure, the why insured you car as u are just wasting your money for something that you are not sure of.. the same applies to the military forces. No we don't know if the equipment is going to be used or not. But when the time arrive where we need it..We sure want it in our hands So even if we did have an E3 or M-2075 Phalcon , it would probably be sitting in its hanger waiting for the next photoshoot. QUOTE(sleep_snore @ Aug 15 2011, 08:28 AM) u think u can bargain military equipment during wartime? Allies. Lots of them u think we are in economic position to bargain during war time? |
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Aug 15 2011, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(corad @ Aug 15 2011, 05:03 PM) An accurate perception but this "insurance" has to be much more tactical than just arming ourselves up. No war in history has ever been won without allies. And this is the route I see M'sia taking. We don't need these big fancy machines now or for the next 30-50 years. I'm not saying we don't need an Airbone Platform, but certainly no need for a full scale AWACS. After all, how many of our fighters are required to be on CAP 24/7 ?? = 0 . allies? name one who are not in deep shit right now?So even if we did have an E3 or M-2075 Phalcon , it would probably be sitting in its hanger waiting for the next photoshoot. Allies. Lots of them |
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