D3100 + kitty 18-55 VR lens

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Feb 1 2011, 05:51 PM) Hi aldosoesilo and really appreciate your lengthy explanation. Honestly, I never thought someone could have explained in such details as most will only post up links to wiki and asked to digest by themselves. Thank you I remember back then when I have my 1st compact camera it was 2004/2005 if not mistaken my compact has video feature where actually my compact maximum fps is a way bellow than 24 fps. (for normal purposed video).Probably I should make clear of my question. I'm a IT guy myself and working as a Software / System Engineer. I'm not gonna say I'm best nor good, but I'm kinda well-verse with computer architecture and therefore I do understand what you're explaining and the reading/writing speed thingy. However, I'm actually more asking for the real situation that what may actually happen to the recording session on the camera in real-time (live) if it happens to be using a low speed card. Does the video recording failed? Jerky? Lagging or it wouldn't work at all? Again, I apologize for not making clear of my question. On the lens recommendation, a friend of mine do mentioned the 35mm 2.0 which cost around RM2K which is outburst to my budget at the moment. The maximum allocation I can put for the first package would be RM5,000 for everything including the body, memory card and filter. Which would be the better option for lens to fit the budget? there was a school project which enforce us to do video kind of thing. since we were student and DSLR or handy cam is out of budget I decided to give my video function in compact a try. as the result the video function in my compact is actually the biggest flaw of my compact. It didn't serve me well. as it will give you a sense of laggy feeling. (I think you can imagine this) in the end I decided to throw away whatever I and my group did with the compact video function and just snap the picture one by one as it making the sense of motion. IDK what will happen actually if your memory card a way bellow than standard for video as I don't do video with my DSLR. but. . . I can sense you will experience what I experienced back then. anyway good luck bro err.. FYI 35 f 2.0 is 1k something. so d7000 body new set will cost your 3.8k (quoted from LYP) or you can get cheaper if you are a good bargainer. 50mm 1.8 = approx 350 35mm 2.0 = approx 1k 35mm 1.8 = approx 780 1750 tamron non-VC = approx 1.1k 1755 tamron VC = approx 1.7k 1850 siggy = I am not sure but I think 2k ++ 1755 VR kit lens. = second hard 300 - 350. update* 1870 kit lens Nikkor = I got quoted second hand 580 <- IDK I really wanted to have this lens so it's now decision. make the best combination with the minimum money This post has been edited by aldosoesilo: Feb 1 2011, 06:12 PM |
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Feb 1 2011, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Feb 1 2011, 07:59 PM) Well, I have never come across to any sales man saying to me that I have need to buy lens filter. Most of the time is I'm asking them how much if I'm including it into the package. Basically to my current best knowledge about photography till today telling me that I need a lens filter to protect my lens. I do know about there are several types of filter and each will has different effect on the output. However, the most common one is UV and many people using it. I never know hood could protect the lens too as I always have a "thought" that a protection is something that "covers" the lens. I suppose because he knows you will meet your limitation soon enough by spending time on kit lens.Therefore, if slow write speed memory card will cause the recording to fail. Alright, then I should know now that I must look into faster card such as the Sandisk Ultra or Sandisk Extreme Pro. Perhaps any recommendation for the MC? My plan to utilize the DSLR will be doing a lot of videos too Are you referring to this: http://shashinki.com/shop/nikon-35mm-wide-...lens-p-259.html ? This lens was recommended by another friend of mine instead of taking the kit lens. He doesn't recommend me to go for the kit lens if I'm looking to be in photography for long term. Perhaps I would be able to pack one out with the D7000 body + 35mm 2.0. Anyway, I have always wish I could make myself more understand, why many people actually recommending the 35mm 2.0 than the 35mm 1.8, 50mm 1.8 or the 18-105mm 3.5~5.6 kit? I probably skip these two for the time being as it'll definitely exceeding my budget if you want kit lens get 18-70 second hand. and another reason is because initially you need kind of all-around-lens in order to you to get know what you wanted to shoot. don't expect you are able to shoot landscape with your 50mm 1.8 |
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Guys I have a question in order to snap monochrome picture do you predefine it that you are going to shot monochrome or have do it on PP?
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QUOTE(d_lai_309 @ Feb 1 2011, 10:53 PM) I find myself interested on street photography with monochrome.but I have no idea when actually a picture should be pped into mono. I mean I don't want to have those monochrome picture w/o having a deep feeling as IMO monochrome is giving a deeper feeling about the photo. how to understand if this photo better to be monochrome and that photo better to use vivid picture control, and that use natural picture control. can give me some hints sifu? |
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Since you said body greatly affect AF speed. will having D3s support the AF performance of tammy 1750?? |
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Oh ok take D300s for example. will it affect the AF performance? |
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 2 2011, 12:55 AM) Not because Nikkor lovers. The lens itself can't make me to keep it. the fact is kit lens not as good as tammy 1750 in term of defocusing since tammy has 2.8 maximum aperture. therefore people usually go for the budget lens like tammy 1750. CZ different story tho I'd keep that ANYTIME ! And 17-50 really no point. Rather get any other Nikon kitty lens, eg 18-70, 16-85 ! PS: Please don't reply me "you pay peanut you will get monkey" |
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QUOTE(gnome @ Feb 2 2011, 01:30 AM) Still the best option is to try it for yourself and judge if its worth your money or not since you the one buying. Everyone has different opinion on things, like me i'd avoid tamron lens because of the shoddy built quality and plastics used (not sure if they already improve now days or not though) Thanks for the input. I always find myself feeling guilty to try a lens w/o buy it on retailer shop.on BTS is another story. QUOTE(Agito666 @ Feb 2 2011, 01:36 AM) Post processing.QUOTE(jepang @ Feb 2 2011, 01:41 AM) Yes |
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 2 2011, 02:17 AM) Haha I hope I can capture the "happy moments" during this CNY. That's my whole purpose of buying it before CNY starts He doesn't use D3s LOL don't envy me lah bro. Go envy sifu Celciuz instead. He got gears and skills. I have gears but don't have skills. It's a superb lens man!! Superior focus speed and looks damn awesome on any camera body!! It's going to replace my 17-35 as prior lens on my D300 |
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 2 2011, 03:55 AM) So what with f/2.8 ? Bokeh? I wonder how is the bokeh on 18-70.I never have any in that range. I can survive with 3.5-4.5 even with my wedding cover for my client inside ballroom. can share some? QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 2 2011, 04:04 AM) aye sifu CY! QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 2 2011, 09:42 AM) QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 2 2011, 09:43 AM) KTCY was right ! 100% at ur side hahaha Well. it is misleading actually. not because of prime you don't need to care about focusing speed. but because of its purpose.Using prime , no need care about the focus speed one , for me as long as it is accurate already good for me !! D is faster than G but just faster like micro second only. Not much different. Anyway happy cny lar , later rmb spam ur SC =D. Reunion dinner woohoooooooooo Added on February 2, 2011, 9:44 am LOL ><" since what we mention earlier was 50mm. which it's purpose is for portraiture focusing speed is actually not a necessity in this case. however if we do talk about 200mm prime or above which meant for sport. focusing speed take a big part. as I know from ken rock well website. most of the sport photographer jump ship to canon on 70s/80s because Nikon focusing motor has a flaw. and again those sport photographer didn' jump ship back to nikon because Canon and Nikon is compareable nowadays. Therefore they have no reason to sell all their gears and jump ship. QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Feb 2 2011, 10:41 AM) Grats for your first gold ring. |
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QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 2 2011, 11:51 AM) Not misleading lar , KTCY did not misleading . For me , i dont shoot sport , so i dont care about much the focus speed if compare nikkor 50mm to sigma 50mm . I didn't say KTCY did misleading I said your word "with prime we don't need AF speed" is a misleading word What i mean is not much different between sigma 50mm and nikkor 50mm the focus speed. =D Happy CNY lar Assume we compare the same focal length. Nikkor 50mm with Sigma 50mm QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 2 2011, 11:51 AM) I saw some worshiping words even on the first page. QUOTE(vearn27 @ Feb 2 2011, 11:51 AM) Noted that IDK why. but for me 1870 is a very great lens with maximum 4.5 aperture even on 70mm.Mind if I ask, why people seem to recommend 18-70 instead of the kit 18-105? I googled up and read one of the comparison here: http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62695 , but I would still prefer to hear from you guys How much would the 18-70 second hand approx? After reading Andy214's input below, I guess I'm almost decided to take the 18-105 kit since I'll be doing some videography with the D7000. However, I would still like to hear why people would recommend the 18-70 than 18-105. If I'm looking for video purpose as one of the criteria, would 18-105 be a better option than 18-70 since it's not equipped with VR? Alright, I have noted down your advise on the package. Thanks Thanks for your wise input on the video part, now I'm more firm that I should just take the kit lens along since I'll be doing videography a little here and there Perhaps I should only aim for prime lens after my kit. Or maybe should I just aim for SB700 to pair up with the kit lens before the prime lens? Yeap, I do know about Image Stabilizer for Nikon and Canon built in lens compared with Sony built in body. IQ wise I think it is better since it is better compared to 1855 KTCY (said this one to me on the other hand 1855 pawned 18105 moreover it is discontinued lens. Therefore I am so deeply interested! |
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Feb 2 2011, 12:09 PM) You can watch YouTube or reviews comparison on the difference between without VR and with VR when video recording... the difference is... A LOT! And that is just handholding, NOT EVEN moving... imagine if you walk/moved... opss.. okay it is fact. If you want cheaper alternative and you don't need to extra reach, you can buy 2nd hand 18-55mm VR kit lens for around RM300++, then spend the rest of the money on a prime or Flash Gun. But make sure what range you need for your videography and photography needs. 55mm might not be enough, but actually 105mm might also not be enough; A good pair for low budget would be... 18-55 + 55-200 or 18-55 + 55-300, but you need to change lens which might not be a good option for video. So, if you do need the extra reach, the 18-105 should be good enough. After your kit, depend on your photography needs and what you shoot more. A flash will be a good choice to pair with your kit lens and do wonders to your photography. You can get excellent result with proper and creative lightings. If you want to shoot portraiture more and be creative on your shooting style, the prime will serve your needs. Nonetheless, if you shoot indoors, parties, events, Flash will help you out a lot and make wonders to your photos. Even with primes, you most probably still find the need of the flash, especially if you have experience with it. Added on February 2, 2011, 12:10 pm You are not reading QUOTE(vearn27 @ Feb 2 2011, 12:20 PM) 18-55 pawned 18-105 in term of IQ? You mean the 18-55 kit lens of D3100? if you do video go for VR lens. as the VR will be very helpful if you do photo shot only. non VR ok lor. yeah that's what people said 1855>18105 in IQ-wiseThanks for the head up. I almost forgot Youtube these days provides good resources for information and tutorial too Again, the 18-55 of D3100 better off compared with the 18-105 of D90 and D7000? As for the flash gun, I know it'll do wonders in photography but at my current budget, I gotta wait for the next phase of my expenditure. Hopefully within 6 ~ 12 months I would manage to get myself both the flash gun and a prime lens QUOTE(KTCY @ Feb 2 2011, 12:33 PM) oppss.. okay it's the fact.how about some bokeh picture from your 1870? care to share? QUOTE(kimurastanley @ Feb 2 2011, 12:47 PM) that's what I know as wellQUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 2 2011, 12:53 PM) Hmm, both I guess. It is inside a shopping mall, indoor condition. Lens quite sharp wide open (not exactly 'wide' since its like f/3.5-f/5.6). bro CYBut need to bump up ISO quite a lot, and D300s ISO is just ok ok... pushing it to ISO1600 then :S. Have to use flash lo. I have question. if let say I found my camera has a good ISO control. as it doesn't show any noise at ISO 3200. what makes I need to use ISO 100? for example I can shoot something with 1/200s shutter 3200 ISO. which is convenient. in what situation I shouldn't bump my ISO into ISO 3200 instead lower it down into ISO 100/200 with 1/20s shutter speed which is less convenient. Knowing ISO 3200 doesn't give me noise. will that make difference? Added on February 2, 2011, 1:22 pm QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 2 2011, 01:14 PM) For me , with prime does not really need like "FAST FAST" AF speed lar , not much different only. If big different AF speed that diff case lar. do you think this thing need a fast AF speed? http://www.nikon.com.my/productitem.php?pid=1400-492a78c3f0This post has been edited by aldosoesilo: Feb 2 2011, 01:22 PM |
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Feb 2 2011, 01:25 PM) How to answer you? Just adjust accordingly. Will ISO 100 and ISO 3200 make difference? as both doesn't give noise.ISO as low as possible, adjust aperture according to DOF you need, adjust shutter according to what your hand can handle or how fast the subject you shooting require. QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 2 2011, 01:25 PM) Bro i mean compare to same focal length -.-" Of course need fast AF speed , but what i mean is dont have to care so much about the AF speed between nikkor 50mm and sigma 50mm. Lol i got poor english , i dunnoe how to explain well. QUOTE(bbuser91 @ Feb 2 2011, 09:43 AM) KTCY was right ! 100% at ur side hahaha but what u said is prime bro. prime doesn't necessary to be 50mm. Using prime , no need care about the focus speed one , for me as long as it is accurate already good for me !! D is faster than G but just faster like micro second only. Not much different. Anyway happy cny lar , later rmb spam ur SC =D. Reunion dinner woohoooooooooo Added on February 2, 2011, 9:44 am LOL ><" |
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