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TSriinalynn
post Jan 12 2009, 04:56 PM, updated 16y ago

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Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls? smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2009, 05:06 PM

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yes, it provide u ultimatum again any girl or women ..
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post Jan 12 2009, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Jan 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls?  smile.gif
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Hey, same here. But I also wan the same in a guy. tongue.gif Oh wait, I've got one wub.gif
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post Jan 12 2009, 07:50 PM

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even i'm a man, but girl virginity oso important to me...

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post Jan 12 2009, 07:58 PM

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yup agreed , thres a saying , no matter how many women that man bang/slept with , at the end he will choose a virgin for a wife............becoz of offspring quality maa
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post Jan 12 2009, 08:01 PM

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huh ? offspring quality ?

what difference will a virgin or not make to that ? ?
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post Jan 12 2009, 08:17 PM

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hard to say , ppl believe bad parent lead to bad children , means if u commit adultry then lead to the birth of your child , theres a child will do the same , dishonour runs in the family , in relegion too , u are advised to seek out virgin wife , coz usually virgin bride ( or in other case , widow which her husband died , left her for no good reason ) will give birth to good natured child or in Malay said , anak yang baik budi pekertinya , its just a theory but who want to try make their children into monster right?? , since most malaysian give piority to tradition or old custom , if two couple who not virgin anymore got married ppl will talk , even if u said , our love is strong , but if every day ppl talk bad it efffect the marriage ( since ppl believe wat ppl said is they prayer /doa to us ) , other than that , virginity is the crown of a women , what i mean is shes a good women , not easily tempted to let go of her virginity to guys who can talk cheap ( klaka love love in sarawakian ) , even playboy if he decided to settle down he will find a good wife , who can protect her honor so she can teach the children good moral ( since the playboy surely know tat he cannot show good moral to his children ) , sorry for the bad english , dun take it seriously its just a personal opinion


p/s im not a playboy btw
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post Jan 12 2009, 10:42 PM

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True with the facts, at some point that we still stick to our customs
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post Jan 13 2009, 03:18 AM

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if u love that person ignore the fact she is virgin or not la.

tak kan u wana survey : 'hey r u virgin, ' b4 goin into r/ship with her meh..

so for me from a bois perception not really important as long she/he desease free laugh.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 09:46 AM

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another same previous topic.btw,my answer it's i don't mind about virgin
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post Jan 13 2009, 10:05 AM

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i also dun really mind , coz some girls lost their virgin due to sport or other rough activities , if tats the case ( or in other case is like kena rape or smth at the same category ) , tats ok , coz tat one cannot ramal...........but if she lost her V cost of free sex or wateva , playgirls bla2 , cannot lee
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post Jan 13 2009, 12:37 PM

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i am virgin also.

but i ok whether or not my gal is virgin.


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post Jan 13 2009, 02:21 PM

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so girl that not virgin will never got married lor....pity 1
i hope all guys open his mind about this....
virgin or not is not important...
heart is most important
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post Jan 13 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(darkbutt3rfly @ Jan 13 2009, 02:21 PM)
so girl that not virgin will never got married lor....pity 1
i hope all guys open his mind about this....
virgin or not is not important...
heart is most important
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pity u bujang forever

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post Jan 13 2009, 03:09 PM

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I place emphasis on health issues rather than being a virgin or not.
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post Jan 13 2009, 03:09 PM

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my mind is very open one. whatever status u r also can.


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post Jan 13 2009, 03:45 PM

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yaya , well , if health problem , i du think vergin or not have different..............XD im a guy so not really a prob , if u loose ur virgin to ur bf then marry him tats ok wat.......taking responsibility..................imagine u a guy is virgin , then u maried with no virgin wife anymore.............XD.............for me cannot accept one.............especially she already slept with other guy
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post Jan 13 2009, 03:51 PM

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Ehhhhh... The virginity I am talking about here is the matter that have you been "poked" or not? HAHAHA
Not about sports or what.
Well, I believe virginity is something special to look forward in a marriage.
Not in a normal relationship. I know girls sleeping around, sometimes I wish I can do that to my ex because I hate him (silly I know), but in the end of the day, it is not worth it. Keeping for MR RIGHT. tongue.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 04:01 PM

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keep oso no use later old no one wan u until berabuk
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post Jan 13 2009, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 13 2009, 04:01 PM)
keep oso no use later old no one wan u until berabuk
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post Jan 13 2009, 05:54 PM

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Love cannot be justified whether ur a virgin or not. Thats just my opinion on it...
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yes yes..virgin is very important tongue.gif

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QUOTE(vey99 @ Jan 13 2009, 04:03 PM)
then should give it away to guy after romance date
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then no different from those who do bissness at lorong2 gelap there lee , at least they got money , u wat u get??shame onli....hehe , girls should kept their virginity to their wedding day..........if both party first time do "that" , its be an event that can be remember bcoz its special , if both party already used doing that , then nothing special during the first night leee
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post Jan 14 2009, 02:25 AM

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virginity is not important as love
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post Jan 14 2009, 02:30 AM

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i deeply respect those girls who keep their v for the right one ... tat show how big sentimental value to the right guy! its worth to keep it for d right person rather than mess around ...
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post Jan 14 2009, 10:42 AM

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Well, from my friends around me, and what i heard, i think most of the teen lost their virgin during 15-18 at high school time..heard alot about this..lol..don't angry if i said something wrong tongue.gif
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post Jan 14 2009, 11:21 AM

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i heard from my friend, most of the girls in college has already lost their virginity mostly..~ issit true?
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not most, it's there.. but we didnt notice.. they always can pretend.. but who know,
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when the first night they hubby will know laa
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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Jan 13 2009, 02:54 PM)
pity u bujang forever

can u survive without a guy?
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urm..can maybe...
god already choose 1 for me...
so wait lor
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post Jan 14 2009, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Jan 13 2009, 03:51 PM)
Keeping for MR RIGHT. tongue.gif
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sometime Mr. Right is the the right one. Even after u marriage. but its worth waiting.


im gonna get marriage this june and my history is worst.. being sleeping around for years so i cant aspect my fiance is virgin and i dun care. As long that we both love each others and prepare to make our marriage as happy as we could.. im ok with that.
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post Jan 14 2009, 01:58 PM

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There was once I read this quote before: Virginity is the most precious gift you can give your future hubby
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:17 AM

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virginity is overrated nowadays science is advance already can restore virginity
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:54 AM

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virginity also can restore? blink.gif
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post Jan 15 2009, 01:53 AM

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As for me.... i have my own way to see virginity.....

Before a gal become my GF having sex with other guy, i wouldnt mind.....

But during couple, if she do this mistake...... there will be no 2nd chance given

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Virgin or not, is not important at all. Whats more important is if you love her or not.

Some people say waiting for the right person but how will you know he is the right person? Have you seen the divorce rate now. It doesn't matter if you are virgin when you get married.
Lets say, there will be a divorce, you sure ain't a virgin right that time? So, are you gona like be depress coz you are not virgin anymore? sweat.gif

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For my view, virgin may be important or not, depend on you love her or not. Btw if she betrayed you and deal with other guys during in-relationship, that is unacceptable.
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post Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM

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Virginity... long time never hear this word. In my opinion virgin or not ... it only matters if you love that person. What about if you love very much that person and suddenly you found out that he/she don't have the virginity. Were you break up with the person? maybe if you have a little bit of open minded of the issue. Maybe I am not virgin or virgin but who knows. Only you and your partner knows about it.
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post Jan 15 2009, 05:20 PM

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Virginity is not important. Nuf said by me
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QUOTE(li_ping @ Jan 14 2009, 01:58 PM)
There was once I read this quote before: Virginity is the most precious gift you can give your future hubby
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Meaningful quote, li ping

and to those guys out there, virginity is not the main issue to assess the love in a r/ship cz usually wen it comes to the fact to realise is ur partner's virginity, i blif tat there's already a certain level of love n foundation has develop between both of u(except fot those that exp one nit stand).

only at that time, u wana end the r/ship is bcz the girl is no longer virgin? doesn't it sounds abit naive? isn't it the love n the bond is the most important?? hmm.gif

but after, if one can remain virgin till the ur mr right, it stil wud b d best thumbup.gif

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if the guys f*cks many girls up, then many girls lost their virginity, then the guy only looking for a virgin wife?
is it fair?
for me virgin is not important as long as u play safe, wkwk..
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virgin or not virgin.. when you love someone, you wouldnt care much about this anymore.. lol!
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post Jan 18 2009, 05:07 PM

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However, giving out virginity on the first night of your wedding day doesn't mean the marriage will last long forever, it's just a way you show royalty and respect to your body and your future husband.

Just my 2 cents.

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The value of virginity is overrated. Most men don't expect their wive to be virgins by the time they marry....they would have lost it to themselves during courtship or from previous relationship. Sex is an activity...for enjoyment. Doing it with someone you like makes it more enjoyable. It has got nothing to do with love....and in this day and age, I think 80% of those over 25 are non-virgins already. So I think getting married and expecting that the partner is a virgin is gonna dissappoint many.
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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 18 2009, 06:48 PM)
The value of virginity is overrated. Most men don't expect their wive to be virgins by the time they marry....they would have lost it to themselves during courtship or from previous relationship. Sex is an activity...for enjoyment. Doing it with someone you like makes it more enjoyable. It has got nothing to do with love....and in this day and age, I think 80% of those over 25 are non-virgins already. So I think getting married and expecting that the partner is a virgin is gonna dissappoint many.
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yes,beside of both lover enjoy..sex also can get relationship more closer and show/give everythings to partner .25 ? from what i see.from what i heard , my experiences and my friends over 15 not virgin already.LOL tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 18 2009, 06:48 PM)
The value of virginity is overrated. Most men don't expect their wive to be virgins by the time they marry....they would have lost it to themselves during courtship or from previous relationship. Sex is an activity...for enjoyment. Doing it with someone you like makes it more enjoyable. It has got nothing to do with love....and in this day and age, I think 80% of those over 25 are non-virgins already. So I think getting married and expecting that the partner is a virgin is gonna dissappoint many.
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no matter how, i personally think that it's always best advised to put sincerity as first priority and shouldn't cling on sex to maintain a relationship.

Make love because you love him, not for self-enjoyment.

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post Jan 19 2009, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 18 2009, 11:02 PM)
no matter how, i personally think that it's always best advised to put sincerity on priority and shouldn't cling on sex to main a relationship.

Make love because you love him, not make love to enjoy yourself.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 18 2009, 11:02 PM)
no matter how, i personally think that it's always best advised to put sincerity on priority and shouldn't cling on sex to main a relationship.

Make love because you love him, not make love to enjoy yourself.
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So what if you know the person you love so much that you cant live with have syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B and AIDS?

Will you still give it to him? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jan 19 2009, 03:57 PM)
So what if you know the person you love so much that you cant live with have syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B and AIDS?

Will you still give it to him?  hmm.gif
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I'm sure he won't have mood to make love with me if he knows himself having so many diseases laugh.gif

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hmm... i think many ppl will say today i dun mind i dun mind whether u r a guy or gal
mayb til da day of marriage u soon realize u mind
but who knows?
so no point sayin this until it happens
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hm..i think society nowadays dont really value virginity as high as the olden days.
I think at the end of the day, it's just personal preference. Some ppl dont mind, some mind... so IMHO, it depends lor.. nod.gif
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i already married man.i said " i don't care / don't mind about my partner's virgin .the most important she treat me good and love me. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wah chai @ Jan 19 2009, 06:06 PM)
i already married man.i said " i don't care / don't mind about my partner's virgin .the most important she treat me good and love me. smile.gif
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Wah Chai player ma, dunno how many gals become victim adi, "mai ke ke".
Forget bout da "no need 2 guide" or "betta service part" ok, its ok 2 me as long as she is not a player n she is free from disease.
My gf wasn't a virgin when we met, after making sure dat she wasn't a random player n free of disease, we coupled n love each other very much till we broke up coz of a difference in opinion n personality, as u see, its nothing 2 do with da virginity thing.
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Some guy important and some are not..For me important..If u get virgin girl and married with u..That girl not easy run and divorced..Normally not virgin girl will run away after 3-4 years after your LOVE IS BORED!!..After 3-4 year so many couple alway fighting..At that time LOVE not important than our heart..easy to say that girl easy to run if they get new bf or something special.
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Nope.. not importado...
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 19 2009, 04:36 PM)
I'm sure he won't have mood to make love with me if he knows himself having so many diseases  laugh.gif
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Then what if he is very horny and had a couple of drinks that day?
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wife lost it during 18 .. and i think i the no.10++th for her .. btwi lost mine to her

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"why make an issue out of a tissue"
quote from i dunno who..
well, the rule of thumb is don't question or ask about the past of your partner.
the most important thing is now,present and future.
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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Jan 20 2009, 04:32 PM)
wife lost it during 18 .. and i think i the no.10++th for her .. btwi lost mine to her
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My gf also lost it at 18.
18 still ok la, some dat i heard of, younger than 16 also liao adi.
But from my observation, 18 consider acceptable age. Ppl who lost it younger than dat age r usually players, coz their minds r not mature enough to think for themselves.
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QUOTE(tina_tan @ Jan 20 2009, 11:59 PM)
"why make an issue out of a tissue"
quote from i dunno who..
well, the rule of thumb is don't question or ask about the past of your partner.
the most important thing is now,present and future.
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Even the partner have past history have 4-5 divorces and have 3-4 kids with each wives, and contracted HIV?
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM)
Even the partner have past history have 4-5 divorces and have 3-4 kids with each wives, and contracted HIV?
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and more than 100 reported case of conning and police record of rape and murder 8 year old boys
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[quote=babytensai,Jan 20 2009, 02:10 AM]
Wah Chai player ma, dunno how many gals become victim adi, "mai ke ke".
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i'm not player.pls don't make this kind of joke.tq
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QUOTE(nash9701 @ Jan 12 2009, 07:50 PM)
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Yes i am so agree with you... is so unfair for a guy to have his wife a non virgin, and also guys must be fair to their wifes also that they are virgin..
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so popular this thread
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i wonder whn 2 innocent virgins wana make out n they duno hw to do it.. is tat posible?
like nvr watch p#*n or nvr been exposed to those stufff....
imagine...
guy n gal gt naked...
they ask each other "wat should v do nxt?"><
haha
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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Jan 22 2009, 10:44 PM)
i wonder whn 2 innocent virgins wana make out n they duno hw to do it.. is tat posible?
like nvr watch p#*n or nvr been exposed to those stufff....
imagine...
guy n gal gt naked...
they ask each other "wat should v do nxt?"><
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There was news report in China that there was this couple married for 8 years without kids because they do not know how to do it until they visited the doctor. sweat.gif rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif
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yes, important to me.
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jan 23 2009, 12:35 PM)
There was news report in China that there was this couple married for 8 years without kids because they do not know how to do it until they visited the doctor.  sweat.gif  rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif
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i think both were workaholics and this is why pron should not be banned laugh.gif

its good for education tongue.gif
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Haha. I don't think any teaching is necessary!
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if there is no teachin means there is no prevention...
if there is no p*#n to enlighten us..
v wouldnt noe which lubang to masukkan... 3C1( i heard ther is 3.. personaly duno)

try n error..?
sufferin for d gals....
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i think both were workaholics and this is why pron should not be banned laugh.gif

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QUOTE(benbeaninc @ Jan 23 2009, 11:23 PM)
if there is no teachin means there is no prevention...
if there is no p*#n to enlighten us..
v wouldnt noe which lubang to masukkan... 3C1( i heard ther is 3.. personaly duno)

try n error..?
sufferin for d gals....
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but, this stuff u've to try out urself, not teaching by someone. and ur gurl would tell you where is it, u don have to worry about,
try n error thingy.lol
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depends how u c it lor, in the past, gal have to be virgin because of unequality between the 2 sex ... today, everyone is equal, virgin or not virgin not for ppl to judge, is for urself to weigh.

Personal thought ... I feel that a non-virgin partner is better than a virgin since he/she will be more conscious about his/her body and knows what is best for him/her ... including selecting partners therefore producing best results for both parties.
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i pity those gals who teach guys to insert d salah 1...
seriously.. wat if d gal themselves dun noe?

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aiyo..there's nothing as fair or not fair..as long as both also love each other, why bother so much about ppl's past? im sure in the past they did it out of love anyway
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some like it new, some like it used.

If you like it new, make seek advice from those who like it n

Likewise if you should like it used. Those whom like it used would tell you things you cannot accept and they also would not understand you.

So, if I were you. I shall not bother to ask anyone, as it your and its all of to you.


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if girl de all kena see liao but not yet kena bang, consider virgin?
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virgin is important for me..
if my girl wasnt virgin..
myb i not marry her..
bt if i the one who 'pecahkan' her virgin..
surely i marry her..
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virgin is important for me..
if my girl wasnt virgin..
myb i not marry her..
bt if i the one who 'pecahkan' her virgin..
surely i marry her..
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QUOTE(Date Masamune @ Jan 13 2009, 03:45 PM)
yaya , well , if health problem , i du think vergin or not have different..............XD im a guy so not really a prob , if u loose ur virgin to ur bf then marry him tats ok wat.......taking responsibility..................imagine u a guy is virgin , then u maried with no virgin wife anymore.............XD.............for me cannot accept one.............especially she already slept with other guy
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There was once I read this quote before: Virginity is the most precious gift you can give your future hubby
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i have one question here, how do u ask ur gf whether they lost their virginity?


for guys: how do u ask ur gf whether they lost their virginity? will u ever regret wateva answer ur gf gives u?
for girls: wat will u think if i were to ask u tat particular question above? does it mean tat i dun trust u? are u willing to tell?
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virgin important, more than all other aspect.


unless special case like being raped , that was ok, still can tolerate
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yea i 100% agree unless miracle appear


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true enough
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yeah, i think virgin is important

but i was wondering y did guys always wanna/search a virgin woman to be his wife eventho he's not virgin anymore..seems unfair to me..
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lol..ask ur bf then.. sweat.gif
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its do bother me but yeah cant argue no more bcoz love is evrything.....smile.gif
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QUOTE(momoeee @ Feb 6 2009, 04:23 PM)
yeah, i think virgin is important

but i was wondering y did guys always wanna/search a virgin woman to be his wife eventho he's not virgin anymore..seems unfair to me..
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SURE!! virgin is important cool2.gif
its my "gift" afta we get married tongue.gif


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virgin important, more than all other aspect.
unless special case like being raped , that was ok, still can tolerate
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SETUJU!!!! rclxms.gif
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im fine with virgin or not since i aldi accepted my partner.
love > virgin/non-virgin/nonsense
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I personally think love conquers all, and that is what matters most.

Consider these scenarios:
1) You met someone, you fall in love with him or her, you guys are happy together but a few months later you find out she or he is not a virgin. Are you going to break up straight away?

2) You love a girl or guy, you have dated for years, and you decided to get married. After your wedding night you discover he or she is not a virgin. Are you going to get a divorce??

Of course this topic is a subjective one (ie it is of personal preference) but saying virginity is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing is kinda silly. So if she's not honest, not loyal, disrespectful, but still a virgin, you would prefer that?

Just because a person is not a virgin doesn't mean she or he has STDs or any other diseases contracted sexually. There are such things as precautionary measures and blood tests.
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QUOTE(fietheelf @ Feb 9 2009, 12:52 PM)
I personally think love conquers all, and that is what matters most.

Consider these scenarios:
1) You met someone, you fall in love with him or her, you guys are happy together but a few months later you find out she or he is not a virgin. Are you going to break up straight away?

2) You love a girl or guy, you have dated for years, and you decided to get married. After your wedding night you discover he or she is not a virgin. Are you going to get a divorce??

Of course this topic is a subjective one (ie it is of personal preference) but saying virginity is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing is kinda silly. So if she's not honest, not loyal, disrespectful, but still a virgin, you would prefer that?

Just because a person is not a virgin doesn't mean she or he has STDs or any other diseases contracted sexually. There are such things as precautionary measures and blood tests.
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i totaly agree with with you =.= beside i also dont really matter if my GF is vergin or not But i still gona love here till she die
Althouge i am her 5th boy friend.. donoe is she still vergin anot ,but i wont ask her cous i love her and i could see that see love me alot
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i support virginity..if i were a guy..i think it is important..however there owez be a guy for all of us..so don't worry lah..
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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Jan 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls?  smile.gif
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am new to this thread. first of all kudos to riinalynn for this thread. it's good stuff. keep talking it out peeps. it's good when not-so-talked topics like this have a platform where all of us can give our two cents.

just to redirect to riinalynn's first post..yea we are talking abt whether virginity is important or not. so lets not get into talking abt whether is virginity the most important thing. it is definitely NOT the most important thing for a relationship to work. it DOES however have a part to play. some of u posted saying that it's more on the character of the person and how the person treats his/her partner that are more important. i totally agree with that. it is the beneath the surface stuff that keeps a relationship together n progressing.

my two cents on the virginity however is a crazy cool bonus to have in marriage.


picture this,..

a well-chosen present packaged with it's protective anti-dust anti-fungal vacuum packed packaging, boxed in a classy met black double-ply gradient recycled solid cardboard box, fastened with a cream white gold-laced shimmering ribbon ending with a pretty flower bow placed perfectly at the top corner of the box, topped off with a mini-card with a personal note just below the flower bow, and placed neatly in an elegant chic superior quality paperbag being given wholeheartedly to the love of your life. . .the glitter in his/her eyes sparked by a deep sense of expectation as he/she receives and opens the present..one step at a time..pulling the mint condition boxed present out from it's secure paperbag, unfastening the it's flower bow ribbon slowly but surely..reading the personal note on the mini-card heightens the anticipation..opening the top of the box..peeling back the sealants from the vacuum packed packaging..and finally revealing the brand new untouched unopened present you've been wishing for. >>>> pure ecstasy and ultimate sense of satisfaction


now picture this..

a well-chosen present packaged with it's protective anti-dust anti-fungal vacuum packed packaging, boxed in a classy met black double-ply gradient recycled solid cardboard box, fastened with a cream white gold-laced shimmering ribbon ending with a pretty flower bow placed perfectly at the top corner of the box, topped off with a mini-card with a personal note just below the flower bow, and placed neatly in an elegant chic superior quality paperbag being given wholeheartedly to the love of your life. . .the glitter in his/her eyes sparked by a deep sense of expectation as he/she receives and opens the present..one step at a time..pulling the mint condition boxed present out from it's secure paperbag, unfastening the it's flower bow ribbon slowly but surely..reading the personal note on the mini-card heightens the anticipation..opening the top of the box..peeling back the sealants from the vacuum packed packaging..and finally...REALIZING THAT IT'S AN OPENED PRESENT....!!.... *uhhhh*....oh >>awkwarddd<<...some time passes and u know that u know that he/she is a good person and one who really lays his/her life down for u. u smile again and thank the heavens.

it's still a good present(oh thank God that with the character and values and love of the person..the person turns out to be a real good person and a good match for you)... just minus that super cool bonus called virginity which IMHO still IS an awesome sorta gift you would wanna give to that one special person whom u wanna spend the rest of ur days with.

my long two cents.

peaze out =>

P.S - im a virgin, im engaged, im getting married in 6weeks time, and im SOOooo looking forward to it with an awesome virgin woman
P.S.S - if u are not a virgin already, dont feel that u are not worthed anything anymore, its always never too late to make a stand in life and go for something of a higher value.


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ur article so long.. @@
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Nice one there jasonwes! biggrin.gif

Congratulations on your marriage! May it last forever! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Feb 11 2009, 12:10 PM)
Nice one there jasonwes! biggrin.gif

Congratulations on your marriage! May it last forever! biggrin.gif
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yep, moga-moga begitu.

im in the midst of doing me pre-marital course. pretty neat stuff.
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yeah because the analogy between a human being and an object is totally realistic..

not.


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lol at people saying marriage = the right one.

chances for you to be married with the not-so-right is just as high. so what if you keep your virginity then gave it to ur so called future hubby and the marriage fell off and u got divorced etc.. then what are you gonna give the next future hubby? biggrin.gif
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nice one jasonwes
i will try to picture intimate relationships now with cardbox, sealants, ribbons n all
and somehow relate sex with cardboxed present

very sexy
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QUOTE(brastel @ Feb 12 2009, 05:48 PM)
lol at people saying marriage = the right one.

chances for you to be married with the not-so-right is just as high. so what if you keep your virginity then gave it to ur so called future hubby and the marriage fell off and u got divorced etc.. then what are you gonna give the next future hubby? biggrin.gif
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That is so true... biggrin.gif

Virgin or not not really important but of course not a girl who keep whoring herself around.. wink.gif
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Virginity is hard to keep as time goes on.
Older generation, they married at the age when most of the gals lost their virginity (age 13-18). If you married at a age like tat, there will be less before marriage sex, becoz u have already married. xD

Correct me if im wrong.
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QUOTE(rain_skywalker @ Jan 30 2009, 05:53 AM)
virgin is important for me..
if my girl wasnt virgin..
myb i not marry her..
bt if i the one who 'pecahkan' her virgin..
surely i marry her..
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What a lame statement over here. You think what? Considered sold once BROKEN?

What if the girl is virgin but you are NOT? What goes around will come around.
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yes, i am a male and virginity is very important not only to me, but my future gf and wife too. and i believe that only virginity can prove a woman's love to her husband and makes him the "special one".
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It is important, but it's not everything. Btw, if guys have lose their virginity before yet still looking for the virgin girls and claim that he still virgin (can u tell a man is virgin or not?) is that cool?
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QUOTE(thken @ Feb 15 2009, 01:58 AM)
yes, i am a male and virginity is very important not only to me, but my future gf and wife too. and i believe that only virginity can prove a woman's love to her husband and makes him the "special one".
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Haha.. you are so selfish.

Most gal when they let you have sex with them, they already prove it lor. Why not you ask yourself why the gal lose their virginity in the first place? They also think as a special gift to their beloved one but in the end how? Being dump cos already pop their cherry. Dont treat all gals like whores lor. Its because they trust you and thats why letting you 'have' their body. Think again lar.

Then again, its your choice.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Feb 15 2009, 09:12 AM)
Haha.. you are so selfish.

Most gal when they let you have sex with them, they already prove it lor. Why not you ask yourself why the gal lose their virginity in the first place? They also think as a special gift to their beloved one but in the end how? Being dump cos already pop their cherry. Dont treat all gals like whores lor. Its because they trust you and thats why letting you 'have' their body. Think again lar.

Then again, its your choice.
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hookers also give their body ... are they in love ..... think twice ..  rclxms.gif
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virginity is an outdated chauvinistic construct which is only furthered by men who lack confidence in their own manhood. The main reason why men want their wives to be virgin is because they fear that he may not live up to her expectations as a lover. "What if i'm not as good as her ex? If she has no ex, then i must be the best!"
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i would advise before make new topic , please search is there any old topic same with the one u want create.i saw alot of topics about virgin.
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Virgins are just overrated.

I wouldn't wanna marry a virgin.

Virgins = lousy sex.

They're so inexperienced, they get squeamish at every damn thing.


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To me it is which i think alot of gurls do
but once you find the right person ull say different things i believe

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Nowadays all the girl also so open minded... n i know in this forum for those who said not mind is becoz of they r not ready...
well mayb is not important... but i think when u have sex with ur loved 1 n u found out that she r not virgin i sure all also will feel upsad. but also wont broke up or divorced la. but sure unhappy lo.
we should give new generation( child or younger sis ) to love their body.
cause if lose to a bad guy... i bet when they old ready they sure regret 1.
if u r a guy u so love ur partner i think u will feel guilty if u can't make sure u can marriage her in future n u have sex with her.
if u r girl u so love ur partner n u want to give him but u also will think is it worth? if he is not suitable me or future my husband mind about it?
n i think most of the girl now is being abit force by guy to have sex and girl mayb reject until no reason n guy like to use u dont love me this word to girl... n the girl have no choice or dont want to spoilt the relationship n hope the guy treat her well.

just my 2cents...

i am a guy... n i not a virgin but i not a playboy.. but for me virgin is important for me also. can a spouse u have to spend all ur life time to her/him so make sure u have no regret on everything only will get happiness...

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QUOTE(amypisces @ Feb 17 2009, 03:56 AM)
Nowadays all the girl also so open minded... n i know in this forum for those who said not mind is becoz of they r not ready...
well mayb is not important... but i think when u have sex with ur loved 1 n u found out that she r not virgin i sure all also will feel upsad. but also wont broke up or divorced la. but sure unhappy lo.
we should give new generation( child or younger sis ) to love their body.
cause if lose to a bad guy... i bet when they old ready they sure regret 1.
if u r a guy u so love ur partner i think u will feel guilty if u can't make sure u can marriage her in future n u have sex with her.
if u r girl u so love ur partner n u want to give him but u also will think is it worth? if he is not suitable me or future my husband mind about it?
n i think most of the girl now is being abit force by guy to have sex and girl mayb reject until no reason n guy like to use u dont love me this word to girl... n the girl have no choice or dont want to spoilt the relationship n hope the guy treat her well.

just my 2cents...

i am a guy... n i not a virgin but i not a playboy.. but for me virgin is important for me also. can a spouse u have to spend all ur life time to her/him so make sure u have no regret on everything only will get happiness...
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Good luck in not contracting STD  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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Well play safe if you wanna do it with various partners in your life
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Well play safe if you wanna do it with various partners in your life
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I dun see what the big deal is with virginity. We are well past the age of ultra-conservative cultures where arranged marriages were the norm. People got married very young, through arranged marriages (which is why the idea of virginity was important, family honor and all that bull) at ages that modern cultures consider very much underage.

IMO, guys who just 'target' virgin girls are insecure because they can't stand the idea that, god forbid the girl has had a relationship with another guy before, or have some perverted fetish for 'popping cherries'.

If after getting married and doing it with the wife, then find out they don't suit each other and get divorce, will he look for another virgin girl? Old guy looking for young virgin girls?
Vice-versa, if a girl marries her bf, gives herself to her husband on the wedding night then later finds that they aren't right for each other, then will she regret giving it to the wrong husband?

And would you pass up someone who's perfect for you simply because he or she is not a virgin?? I think i'd regret for the rest of my life if that was the case, because i'd have given up my dream wife for petty ego issues.

And if a girl has done it before, doesn't necessarily mean she sleeps around alot; in fact i'd say girls who do enjoy going around with lots of guys are quite uncommon if not rare.

Conclusion: don't be so hung up about virginity. There's a million more important things in making a relationship work 'until death do us part' than a trivial matter like virginity.

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I dun see what the big deal is with virginity. We are well past the age of ultra-conservative cultures  where arranged marriages were the norm. People got married very young, through arranged marriages (which is why the idea of virginity was important, family honor and all that bull) at ages that modern cultures consider very much underage.

IMO, guys who just 'target' virgin girls are insecure because they can't stand the idea that, god forbid the girl has had a relationship with another guy before, or have some perverted fetish for 'popping cherries'.

If after getting married and doing it with the wife, then find out they don't suit each other and get divorce, will he look for another virgin girl? Old guy looking for young virgin girls?
Vice-versa, if a girl marries her bf, gives herself to her husband on the wedding night then later finds that they aren't right for each other, then will she regret giving it to the wrong husband?

And would you pass up someone who's perfect for you simply because he or she is not a virgin?? I think i'd regret for the rest of my life if that was the case, because i'd have given up my dream wife for petty ego issues.

And if a girl has done it before, doesn't necessarily mean she sleeps around alot; in fact i'd say girls who do enjoy going around with lots of guys are quite uncommon if not rare.

Conclusion: don't be so hung up about virginity. There's a million more important things in making a relationship work 'until death do us part' than a trivial matter like virginity.
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What if the non virgin wife indulge in the previous sexual encounter after marriage and goes back for more, then after a year dumps the husband?

Some more people say modern age modern age we humans still have not evolved till we do not need sex to reproduce also. Or evolved till women that are born without hymen also.

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What if the virgin wife indulges in sexual encounter after marriage, then after a year dumps the husband?

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sex before married are same like animal .... play with who they like .... no dignity ... is this what we call modern age ????
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Feb 19 2009, 04:34 PM)
What if the non virgin wife indulge in the previous sexual encounter after marriage and goes back for more, then after a year dumps the husband?
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At least then you can blame her for being unfaithful, but if your virgin wife go for another guy after marriage then you'll feel the ego hit even harder, lol!

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QUOTE(dmgpower @ Feb 19 2009, 04:52 PM)
sex before married are same like animal .... play with who they like .... no dignity ... is this what we call modern age ????
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Some how thats the definition of being modern by being like apes dogs cats doing it though parents are around under age brothers and sisters. For some people they think that showing it on the internet is modern cos they show how liberal they are on new high tech stuff.

There is a reason why people wanted to stay virgin until they are married they wanted their most precious experience to experience it with the person they think that they are going to spend their lives with and not just like having a walk with a friend or having lunch with their teachers. They wanted it to be special, these days people are treating sex like lunch or just a drink at the bar, well its up to them. They can even have children with 10-20 partners, but I guess then there is no form of family any more we are no different from animals.

I guess if people have tried their best and failed in their marriage and find another after that then its a different story, well thats just my point of view people can do what ever they like, whether that affects their society, family, or themselves or not its up to them I have no say over such matters.

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I don't think it's wrong being a virgin or not. I don't care. It's up to the prerogative of the individual. It shouldn't matter if a person is either.

What irks me most is the people who stereotype non-virgins. Being a virgin doesn't guarantee that your marriage will work out, or fail, for that matter. Vice versa. It also doesn't mean that you're a ticking time bomb of STDs.

So yes, while some may value it more than others, it still doesn't justify stereotyping and labeling. A sexually active person can still be a better person in society than a person who is not.
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I think this post best explains it.

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To the person who put up the doctor touching;
- Them doctors dont stick their johnnys inside whichever hole it may be.
- Neither did he shoot inside, or outside or wherever place it may be.

To the person who put up the used display products comparison;
- So you wouldnt buy a used car ? Ridiculous comparison.

That being said, i believe this is still a very fine line to walk with respects to ones personal preference.
In any case, to the person who laughed at his ex's current bf, it is this exact scenario that a lot of guys with non-virgin gfs wish to avoid. But even if it is avoidable, some guys dont have it in their mental capacity to block out such thoughts from occasionally comin up knockin on their cerebral door.

Now, lets say im at my ex gf's wedding for some unknown reason. At the back of my head, it is guaranteed, and im sure ALL guys will be thinking the same way whereby we go " Ahh.. those were the days. She was a [insert appropriate sexual character] in bed.. ".
Now the groom might not know this, but the bride sure as hell does.

Case in point; your girl or wife to be, has been manhandled, loved, sexed up, shot on, shot in, whatever you wanna call it. And she willingly obliged, and might've enjoyed it. You might not know it, or you might. You might meet the guy who ahem ahem, and you might not. The question is;

Do you have it within you to mentally block out those images ? Realistically, most guys cant. I've even came across someone who gets turned on by the fact that their girls have been roughed up by some other joe. But hey, to each their own.

Would i date a JAV star ?
- As tempting as it sounds, i would honestly have to say no. Simply because they are self-approved objects. But primarily due to fear of STD's.

Would i make a JAV star my wife ?
- No. Just the thought of shame that my children will have to go through is unimaginable. What will they say when a bully goes " HEY YOUR MOM SWALLOWED THIS DUDE'S LOAD ON TV. HOW MUCH DID SHE GET PAID ? " That is just one scenario.

Would i make a girl who's been raped my wife if i fell in love with her ?
- Of course i would. Because i know it wasnt her doing.

See the difference ? As someone said earlier, LUST is controllable. Just like the choices you make, and the things you do.

Picking a virgin as a wife simply means that the girl has gone through a more prim and proper upbringing, one who is in control of her lust, one who was intuitive enough during her younger years. One that has valued the sanctity of her body, so much so as to not willingly give it away at the promise of 'love', or at the mercy of lust. One that you can see the choices she made, were the correct ones, not derived by peer pressure or social/media influence. Why accomodate ones past choices at your emotional expense ? If you can afford it at your emotional expense, then by all means my friend.

Im sorry if this offends any girls out there but, a virgin girl, is always a notch above non virgin ones in my humblest opinion.

That being said, guys, if you're NOT a virgin, you sure as hell do not deserve a virgin girl.

Who are you kiddin ?



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Female Lost their virginity in normal relationship is normal nowadays... this is what happened to me.. my current gf ..i'm her 3th and she is my first... she told me she is not a virgin cause being "poked" by a guy after a date with him (not her bf that time) ... i makeup my mind and i dont mind about that..however after our first experience i realize she is so horny and over demanding in sex ..and what surprised me, she told she have sex with her ex over 30times a week.. max 7 times in a day!! just because she deeply enjoy the "feel" .. as stated " Make love because you love him, not enjoying yourself" by someone under this title.. Virginity is not really important for me, but girls, at least make yourself precious and loyal!! Your behavior define your value! I dont think there is existing of a male wanted a "cheap" wife. sorry if i provoked anyone here... Just to express my feeling~ *sorry for my bad english too

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QUOTE(Doopleganger @ Feb 21 2009, 11:36 AM)
Female Lost their virginity in normal relationship is normal nowadays... this is what happened to me.. my current gf ..i'm her 3th and she is my first...  she told me she is not a virgin cause being "poked" by a guy after a date with him (not her bf that time) ...  i makeup my mind and i dont mind about that..however after our first experience i realize she is so horny and over demanding in sex ..and what surprised me, she told she have sex with her ex over 30times a week.. max 7 times in a day!!  just because she deeply enjoy the "feel" ..  as stated " Make love because you love him, not enjoying yourself" by someone under this title..  Virginity is not really important for me, but girls, at least make yourself precious and loyal!! Your behavior define your value! I dont think there is existing of a male wanted a "cheap" wife. sorry if i provoked anyone here... Just to express my feeling~ *sorry for my bad english too
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to those who relates virginity with marriage, let me list down more points for you to ponder

these are based on personal experience, and from married couples and even divorced couples as well


1. Sexual Compability
sexual compability is a very very important aspect in marriages.
sometimes, the male's sex drive overwhelm female sex drive, like if your wife is a virgin, how would you know that she enjoys sex as much as you do ?

This is what happens to a friend of mine(he's around 38), his wife only made love with him once in a month, and that leads him cheat outside and cause the divorce
what if it's the other way round ? you cant satisfy your wife and you feel insecure about your "manliness" laugh.gif


2. Current divorce rates
as in today's divorce after marriage rates, it's around 50%, why is it so high ?
i wish i understand why, but it makes you wonder, what are the chances of the girl you'll marry which you love is one of the non-V


3. Current average age of marriage
due to economic pressure, people are getting married at a much older age, lets say around 30, but our sex organ started to produce these hormones at around 13, so what to do in the other 17years before they get the "first hand experience" ?

4. Peer pressure
on average, malay couples get married at a younger at as compared to other races because of peer pressure, like " there must be something wrong with you if you are not married by 25 for girls ". The peer pressure in society demands exchange of sexual experiences, even girls can exchange their experiences during chit chatting, so it's no longer a taboo. you dont do it and you become a lame-ass


so please think again

guys, dont be so selfish and go poke cherries and then demand fresh ones for yourself when you're really finding a life partner

to me couples can only stick together if they are compatible, those who prioritize on virgins and look down on non-V are perhaps still young, and not involve in real relationship yet


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QUOTE(dmgpower @ Feb 19 2009, 04:52 PM)
sex before married are same like animal .... play with who they like .... no dignity ... is this what we call modern age ????
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QUOTE(darkbutt3rfly @ Jan 13 2009, 02:21 PM)
so girl that not virgin will never got married lor....pity 1
i hope all guys open his mind about this....
virgin or not is not important...
heart is most important
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lol soo in that cause all girls can happy simply lose virgin la? all clubber gang ==
damn man i now also heard ppl saying form 3 girls also hitting club also loosing virginity already
i'm a guy i'm still a virgin soo hard to find a perfect girl. == thanks to all the bastards and clubs
me ANTI-clubber!
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Marriage or no marriage yet, not important. As long as I know I love the person a lot, why not?
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some gals will do something wrong when they ar young becoz unable to think properly. Besides, by going to club and drinking alcohol make the person cannot think properly. In addition, i think gals did not wan to loose their virginity just like this but sometime they cannot help it
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QUOTE(Doopleganger @ Feb 21 2009, 11:36 AM)
Female Lost their virginity in normal relationship is normal nowadays... this is what happened to me.. my current gf ..i'm her 3th and she is my first...  she told me she is not a virgin cause being "poked" by a guy after a date with him (not her bf that time) ...  i makeup my mind and i dont mind about that..however after our first experience i realize she is so horny and over demanding in sex ..and what surprised me, she told she have sex with her ex over 30times a week.. max 7 times in a day!!  just because she deeply enjoy the "feel" ..  as stated " Make love because you love him, not enjoying yourself" by someone under this title..  Virginity is not really important for me, but girls, at least make yourself precious and loyal!! Your behavior define your value! I dont think there is existing of a male wanted a "cheap" wife. sorry if i provoked anyone here... Just to express my feeling~ *sorry for my bad english too
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upon hearing what ur gf said .. u still dont mind ??
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QUOTE(PhilHellmuth @ Feb 25 2009, 11:58 PM)
upon hearing what ur gf said .. u still dont mind ??
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QUOTE(TangChristo @ Feb 23 2009, 07:13 PM)
lol soo in that cause all girls can happy simply lose virgin la? all clubber gang ==
damn man i now also heard ppl saying form 3 girls also hitting club also loosing virginity already
i'm a guy i'm still a virgin soo hard to find a perfect girl. == thanks to all the bastards and clubs
me ANTI-clubber!
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rclxms.gif haha then you should go burn all the clubs biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Feb 16 2009, 03:21 AM)
Virgins are just overrated.

I wouldn't wanna marry a virgin.

Virgins = lousy sex.

They're so inexperienced, they get squeamish at every damn thing.
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QUOTE(Doopleganger @ Feb 21 2009, 11:36 AM)
Female Lost their virginity in normal relationship is normal nowadays... this is what happened to me.. my current gf ..i'm her 3th and she is my first...  she told me she is not a virgin cause being "poked" by a guy after a date with him (not her bf that time) ...  i makeup my mind and i dont mind about that..however after our first experience i realize she is so horny and over demanding in sex ..and what surprised me, she told she have sex with her ex over 30times a week.. max 7 times in a day!!  just because she deeply enjoy the "feel" ..  as stated " Make love because you love him, not enjoying yourself" by someone under this title..  Virginity is not really important for me, but girls, at least make yourself precious and loyal!! Your behavior define your value! I dont think there is existing of a male wanted a "cheap" wife. sorry if i provoked anyone here... Just to express my feeling~ *sorry for my bad english too
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QUOTE(kelvin_87 @ Feb 27 2009, 12:44 AM)
rclxms.gif haha then you should go burn all the clubs  biggrin.gif
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I'm a club-goer but I do not one-night-stand. I'm still a virgin. If you are adult you should know how to control yourselve and know what ought and ought not to do, you have brain and you should think before doing it.

It's only arrogant people like you that degrading the ALL female club-goers as "low class" gals.
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ofcos important (:
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i dun think u all will concerned a bout it when u fall in LOVE. right wub.gif
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It depends though. Even if people say its important when love is involved, they go their separate ways eventually. Although that doesn't apply to everyone.

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Seriously it is virginity so important to everyone? If u're virginity?so? or if you're not virginity? so??
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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Jan 20 2009, 04:32 PM)
wife lost it during 18 .. and i think i the no.10++th for her .. btwi lost mine to her
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Seriously it is virginity so important to everyone? If u're virginity?so? or if you're not virginity? so??
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virgin is a big bonus(for those who appreciate it)

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Hmm.. interesting thread ... well .. think of it this way .... lets say .. ur shopping for a car .. and u wanna get a good car ... but sometimes if ur situation or ur luck ... u can afford or u come across a good new car .. u have enough money to buy a quality new car ... lets say a proton waja ... its brand new .. untouched ...so u buy that car .. but .. before that .. for the same price of that new waja ... u can get a secondhand Honda... if u can afford a brand new BMW M5 .. u can also afford to get used Ferrari ... if u had a choice to get a brand new honda.. or a 4-5-6th hand ferrari ... which will u buy .? .. then a gain .. some will have their preferences .." high maintenance la this la .. lot of petrol la .. bla bla bla .. " .. my point is ... for guys .. it doesnt matter if ur a virgin or not ... it's what kind of quality person u are ... the guy will love u for who u are and be crazy about u if he's the happiest guy in the world with u ... but then again .... competition wise .... if there were 2 ferraris ... and one of them was a brand new one ....... biggrin.gif .... and the second hand one .. sad.gif ..... * maybe he can maintain 3-4 cars at the same time .. who knows .. * ..
bottom line is .. I would say 70% of guys nowadays dont really care .. they would get married to non-virgin .. as long as she is the one for him and he is happy ... biggrin.gif

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In my virginic opinion, I think that..

LOVE>HEALTH>VIRGINITY.

It's overrated seriously. But then again of course Im talking with my balls, I think most girls would want it to be special for their first night with hubby boykins.
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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Jan 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls?  smile.gif
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but more important the pretty face
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i'm waiting for the right one also. i want my first to be memorable so the person better have lotsa experience..heheh..
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QUOTE(lovelyslickyvixen @ Apr 7 2009, 07:38 PM)
i'm waiting for the right one also. i want my first to be memorable so the person better have lotsa experience..heheh..
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May I ask what does "lotsa" experience mean ??!?!?.... what ..like prawn star ah !?!? ... sweat.gif .. woyo ..... nvm ... ur preference ..who am I to say anything ... pls define lotsa.. tq .. clarification needed ...
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better sex after marridge
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I wanna know how many guys out there will get married to a young 26 year old beautiful sweet girl, who is kind , loving and intelligent ... also has had sex with 10 guys before ... who were her boyfriends ... she has never cheated or had a one night stand before ... but lost her virginity at 15 years old ..how many guys will say yes ..???

some guys will say .." it's okay .. I'm in love with her .. i don't care about her past .." and say yes .. some guys will say no .... how many say yes .. or no ..
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ...

How many girls will say yes to getting married to a handsome , kind ,good body,loving, nice personality, rich guy.. who has had 10 ex girl friends he had sex with .. who he has never cheated on or had a one night stand ...
how many girls will say yes or no ???
biggrin.gif biggrin.gif ....


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Feb 27 2009, 11:44 PM)
Kindly look for "nice gals" at chow kit road, around RM200-300 per night, very cheap.
Please do not ruin the innocent gals, your cooperation is very much appreciated.
Thanks for agreeing my point of view, bro~!
I'm a club-goer but I do not one-night-stand. I'm still a virgin. If you are adult you should know how to control yourselve and know what ought and ought not to do, you have brain and you should think before doing it.

It's only arrogant people like you that degrading the ALL female club-goers as "low class" gals.
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i'm waiting for the right one also. i want my first to be memorable so the person better have lotsa experience..heheh..
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i dun think u all will concerned a bout it when u fall in LOVE. right  wub.gif
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You guys are still beating the dead horse. This topic is repeated like for centuries. Let me get it straight. I dont mean to be bossy or anything.

First off, everyone is different. Some DO mind about partner virginity and some DO NOT. I've seen cases in cupid corner where ppl bashing pro-virgin member because difference of opinions. Calling them pansies and not secure of their manhood/lives or whatever. I say they are just bunch of crap trying to generalize on everything. The truth is, everyone is different and we cant force others to accept our opinion, it is your life and you decide what you want in your life.

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1. Assuming if you are not a virgin. If a guy accepts who are you and dont mind your past. Life goes on and everyones happy. This is not the best situation yet.
2. Assuming if you are a virgin. If a guy appreciates it, it will be bonus for him. What bonus here means? he will appreciate you more especially in marriage between family.

3. Assuming if you are not a virgin. If a guy reject who are you and he minds about your past. You broke up and life goes on. It takes two hand to clap, if one hesitate to do so, it will be the end.
4. Assuming if you are a virgin. If the guy is a jackass then you have a jackass in your life lor lol.


But let me stress we are talking about keeping virginity till marriage and case 4. it is highly unlikely to happen unless you are blind. I m not interested to talk about blind marriages so skip to case 3. There are still guys who hesitate/reject girls who are not virgin especially coming to marriage. If you happen to be non-virgin and found the right guy and he hesitiated/rejected you because of that. You suffer yourself lor. So decide yourself and stick with your decision. In the end, a guy has the advantage because he has the first move, not the girls. If the girl has decided, she will not pick a guy who mind about virginity, vice versa, a guy decided not to pick non-virgin as his wife then so be it. Life goes on.
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i think virginity are important to a girls, never ever let some unknown people take it, only to whom you love (although after that you dun love ),
to guys, we also have virginity (haha), but the gf are virgin or not... to me... not so important.
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not that important as long as the couple are in love, if you really love her then it should be ok even she is not a virgin. think of this way, there are many stalker around here where they just want sex and sometimes girl are being lured by their sweet words to give in and later dump by these guys. so like my friend said if you want virgin "GO TO HOSPITAL AND WAIT AT THE BABY ROOM THERE

btw, me and my GF we lose it to each other wub.gif
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there is not much surprise ,,, read this .... rclxms.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1002956

I wanna know from U girls .. pls post comments ... I really would like more girls opinions .. tq

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I guess at this point in time and in this generation, it is hard to fully commit to the whole 'sex after marriage' thing. MANY of my friends have said that but further down, when their hormones take over, they lose it. And nowadays, its hard to find someone who isnt a virgin. Many people dont like this coz of the whole 'i wanna be the first for her/him thing' like what lolabunny said, its like buying a new car (so sorry to refer to women as a car, but it was the best example i can think of).
Just do it if you are ABSOLUTELY sure that you wont regret and i think you'll be fine
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yeap ~quite important..
but..when u met ur mr right...
things goes another way xD
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LIFE IS FULL OF STRESS , SUFFERINGS AND UNCERTAINTY !!!

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virgin is just a bonus.. we cannot simply say a girl lost her virginity by sex bcoz a lot of activities can break that hymen thingy.
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QUOTE(darkbutt3rfly @ Jan 13 2009, 03:21 PM)
so girl that not virgin will never got married lor....pity 1
i hope all guys open his mind about this....
virgin or not is not important...
heart is most important
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Hmm virginity ? Not important to me ... as long as she is matured ... all of us have our immatured days ... For me , i don't mind , as long as she love me , that's enough .
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my friend used to be a 'virgin killer' long time ago.
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"virgin killer" sounds bad

when a guy loves a women, virginity is never important
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Its prejudice to me that a girl is expected to be a virgin to make a good wife or mother! I think everyone has the right to live for the moment and try it haha.. How do you know if its good or not? unless you try it first anyway...My mantra is to try everything at least once or put on repeat if you like it tongue.gif Its like that MGMT song

"This is our decision, to live fast and die young.
We've got the vision, now let's have some fun."

But that is just my opinion...each to their own I guess.. I love my sexy, full on, fun life smile.gif

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Went out with my bf yesterday...was almost there for the most intimate move but I hesitated.

Perhaps, the timing is not right...
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is not really important to me ..
cause .. already not the first time ..
but now i am still waiting for a better boyfriend !! tongue.gif
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why is not important to girl?is there most ppl hate virginity.

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Its not really that important. Totally overrated.

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for me, as long as no regrets then it's fine =)

But i don't understand why guy not a virgin no problem, but when girl not a virgin, ppl say she's too easygoing or even worse, a w****e

Bit unfair right?
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Virginity Can Show A Girl's Attitude, Mentality, Characters Etc.

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to me virginity showing his loyalty, unless if she janda lar, which I dont mind. to me virginity is important unless janda=p
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Of course is important.....for me my hubby is my first and my last men.....even sometimes husband & wife wil get into fight mostly all the hurtful words will come out & the most cruel words for a husband to speak out is " what do you think you are,virgin ah,always menbebel go through so many hand only then come to me " ...
Girls realy must think before doing any move, guy lost nothing but girl lost everything......Cheersss
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I was once concern about virginity. But now, been through many things, something just changed my mind.

If you make out with the man, at a situation which you both have truly committed to each other, affirmed that both are each other's life partner, sexual intercourse is made not for personal enjoyment but to show the most intimate passion to each other, then it would be a genuine relationship.

Those make out for the sake to "try" or to "release the urge", is strictly not encouraged.

Whatever you do, make sure it's done out of genuine love and care, not for own's pleasure.

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QUOTE(nash9701 @ Jan 12 2009, 07:50 PM)
even i'm a man, but girl virginity oso important to me...

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QUOTE(Charlottey @ May 7 2009, 10:20 PM)
Of course is important.....for me my hubby is my first and my last men.....even sometimes husband & wife wil get into fight mostly all the hurtful words will come out & the most cruel words for a husband to speak out is " what do you think you are,virgin ah,always menbebel go through so many hand only then come to me "  ...
Girls realy must think before doing any move, guy lost nothing but girl lost everything......Cheersss
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that will serve them right if it's TRUE they are that kind of women b4 they get married.... mad.gif

but for the opposite, that's his lost for saying such cruel word to his loyal wife...

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virginity - is important when u think it is. if u think it is not, it never will be!


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Whatever you do, make sure it's done out of genuine love and care, not for own's pleasure.

Love is patient and kind;
love does not envy or boast;
it is not arrogant or rude.
It does not insist on its own way;
it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
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but it is too ideal. In real life... it is almost impossible, especially in long run.

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err i believe virgin = not having sex b4 marriage.
i cant imagine what i'd feel when i think of my wife has been sleeping with lots of men b4 me. ahhaha or worst, slept with someone i know.
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QUOTE(dOtcOm @ May 12 2009, 08:46 PM)
err i believe virgin = not having sex b4 marriage.
i cant imagine what i'd feel when i think of my wife has been sleeping with lots of men b4 me. ahhaha or worst, slept with someone i know.
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QUOTE(Charlottey @ May 7 2009, 10:20 PM)
Of course is important.....for me my hubby is my first and my last men.....even sometimes husband & wife wil get into fight mostly all the hurtful words will come out & the most cruel words for a husband to speak out is " what do you think you are,virgin ah,always menbebel go through so many hand only then come to me " ...
Girls realy must think before doing any move, guy lost nothing but girl lost everything......Cheersss
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It's Difficult To Find A Virgin Lady Nowadays Especially In Klang Valley, Thats A Sad Thing~
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QUOTE(limshenghong @ May 20 2009, 12:22 AM)
How Lucky Is Your Men  smile.gif
It's Difficult To Find A Virgin Lady Nowadays Especially In Klang Valley, Thats A Sad Thing~
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QUOTE(Erein_nic @ May 6 2009, 09:59 PM)
for me, as long as no regrets then it's fine =)

But i don't understand why guy not a virgin no problem, but when girl not a virgin, ppl say she's too easygoing or even worse, a w****e

Bit unfair right?
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totally agree!!! They 1 a virgin wife but excuse me, r they still reserving their 1st time??
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guy no reserve one ...i dun understand why girl need to reserve...
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it's not the issue of the tissue..

it's just a make-sure measurement that the girl was not a "whore"!
sure it's overrated, but sure i wont undermine it.

if she lose virginity but still seems to be a good wife, just fine..
i'll marry her if i luv her.

for me, i want a girl that is sexually virgin to be my wife.

but destiny is something human cant control..



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women they should be in the kitchen

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jan 18 2009, 11:02 PM)
no matter how, i personally think that it's always best advised to put sincerity as first priority and shouldn't cling on sex to maintain a relationship.

Make love because you love him, not for self-enjoyment.
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i am a guy, but i agree to what u said, there are a lot of "trends" brought in from other countries, especially taiwan.... youngsters nowadays are getting immature, and i don't understand what they are thinking sometimes.... for me, virginity is the most precious thing for a girl....
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QUOTE(jaylhw1 @ May 27 2009, 01:19 AM)
i am a guy, but i agree to what u said, there are a lot of "trends" brought in from other countries, especially taiwan.... youngsters nowadays are getting immature, and i don't understand what they are thinking sometimes.... for me, virginity is the most precious thing for a girl....
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playing bicycle and sport can also effect virginity?
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Never Ending topic...
I blif everyone cherish virginity...
imagining when you go out with your gf/ wife and both of you bump into her ex-bf or sex partner that understand every single part of her body well...that feeling is just bad...and for some guys out there, i blif they are force to say they don't mind, coz they have feel in love with a non-virgin, i use to be one. eventually you will notice that your love to that girl would not be at the max if u r someone who care about virginity...
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I still don't get why a lot of guys who are non-virgin have the audacity to say that they want a virgin as a wife. And why is the girl being victimised in the sense that guys that sleep around can get around and be lauded as a hero whereas girls that sleep around get labelled as sluts?

My take is that only virgins that actually save themselves for marriage, so to speak, are entitled to ask for a virgin as a partner.

But it is extremely unfair to stereotype non-virgins as unloyal cheating whores, for just as you can have the cheating virgin, you also can have the extremely loyal non-virgin.
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QUOTE(jaylhw1 @ May 27 2009, 01:19 AM)
i am a guy, but i agree to what u said, there are a lot of "trends" brought in from other countries, especially taiwan.... youngsters nowadays are getting immature, and i don't understand what they are thinking sometimes.... for me, virginity is the most precious thing for a girl....
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sex is good and beautiful, it should be done with no cares and worries, it could be done anywhere, any time.

For me, if both have stepped into a matured relationship will be fine to have sex. Matured relationship to me means both willing to bear pregnancy and take up responsibility and committment to one another after making love.
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I'd say if the relationship is matured enough to go through sex, pregnancy and stuff, then its matured enough to go through marriage first.
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im virgin...
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QUOTE(aranur @ May 28 2009, 10:23 AM)
I'd say if the relationship is matured enough to go through sex, pregnancy and stuff, then its matured enough to go through marriage first.
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QUOTE(ahcheap @ May 28 2009, 11:19 PM)
Virginity is important, but true love is more important.
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i dare to say: those who can stand the sexual need till the marriage day is definitely a true love.

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i dare to say: those who can stand the sexual need till the marriage day is definitely a true love.
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QUOTE(HyourinMaru @ May 29 2009, 12:18 AM)
So u dont trust guys anymore? tongue.gif
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but sad to say, guys think by using their 2 heads; this is also happened to those high educated guys.
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QUOTE(riinalynn @ Jan 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls?  smile.gif
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I won't judge the ones who aren't. They can do anything with their life.
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i dare to say: those who can stand the sexual need till the marriage day is definitely a true love.
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reli,im holding myself from getting myself a GF bcoz i dun want to lose my virginity so my wife is gonna be my true love,
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reli,im holding myself from getting myself a GF bcoz i dun want to lose my virginity so my wife is gonna be my true love,
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QUOTE(rokiroad @ May 30 2009, 08:27 AM)
reli,im holding myself from getting myself a GF bcoz i dun want to lose my virginity so my wife is gonna be my true love,
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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virginity is improtant also & sometimes can accept that if not virgin,itz depents on the gal..if she is good gal..then ok,if playgal...now days virgin or not virgin its all biasa meh...if u wana find virgin gal in our means forsure late married or failure,,,my opinion...chill guys..
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QUOTE(pearldirector @ May 27 2009, 11:45 PM)
Never Ending topic...
I blif everyone cherish virginity...
imagining when you go out with your gf/ wife and both of you bump into her ex-bf or sex partner that understand every single part of her body well...that feeling is just bad...and for some guys out there, i blif they are force to say they don't mind, coz they have feel in love with a non-virgin, i use to be one. eventually you will notice that your love to that girl would not be at the max if u r someone who care about virginity...
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QUOTE(p3nguin @ May 28 2009, 01:00 AM)
I still don't get why a lot of guys who are non-virgin have the audacity to say that they want a virgin as a wife. And why is the girl being victimised in the sense that guys that sleep around can get around and be lauded as a hero whereas girls that sleep around get labelled as sluts?

My take is that only virgins that actually save themselves for marriage, so to speak, are entitled to ask for a virgin as a partner.

But it is extremely unfair to stereotype non-virgins as unloyal cheating whores, for just as you can have the cheating virgin, you also can have the extremely loyal non-virgin.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 30 2009, 09:53 AM)
so you are a tarp.

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i feel that, as long as it feels right, it doesnt matter.

how do u know if a guy's a virgin or not anyway :/ lol.
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QUOTE(scoutbaby @ May 31 2009, 09:09 PM)
i feel that, as long as it feels right, it doesnt matter.

how do u know if a guy's a virgin or not anyway :/ lol.
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The thing is, you wouldn't know. That you have to trust the guy to tell you the truth.

But then again, you also won't really know whether a girl is a virgin or not, as I read somewhere that the popped cherry can be caused by sports as well.
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dont agree >.<
i know some ppl who get married just for the sex .
but its a good thing to stay pure till marriage though .
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dont agree >.<
i know some ppl who get married just for the sex .
but its a good thing to stay pure till marriage though .
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ya. I do believe this does happen, which I do not agree, too.

Marriage is a committment to each other, to share the ups and downs of life. Sex genuinely designed for married couples, to taste the sweeetness of marriage. For me, getting married just to taste the sexual excitement is selfish and foolish.

Get married because you love him/her and want to fulfill the committments you want to give for the rest of his/her life;
Have sex with him/her because you want to love him better, but not for your personal sexual enjoyment.




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dont agree >.<
i know some ppl who get married just for the sex .
but its a good thing to stay pure till marriage though .
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So what if you find out that your fiance wanted to marry you just for sex? Just for discussion if people find it offensive just tell me I'll delete it.
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i trust guy to certain extend he love me as much as i do

but sad to say, guys think by using their 2 heads; this is also happened to those high educated guys.
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girls also think by using 2 mouths; this is also happened to those high educated girls.
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So what if you find out that your fiance wanted to marry you just for sex? Just for discussion if people find it offensive just tell me I'll delete it.
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So what if you find out that your fiance wanted to marry you just for sex? Just for discussion if people find it offensive just tell me I'll delete it.
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I DUMP HIM when i knew dat he juz wanna hev a sex without feel responsible n commitment to future family..
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 4 2009, 11:46 AM)
ya. I do believe this does happen, which I do not agree, too.

Marriage is a committment to each other, to share the ups and downs of life. Sex genuinely designed for married couples, to taste the sweeetness of marriage. For me, getting married just to taste the sexual excitement is selfish and foolish.

Get married because you love him/her and want to fulfill the committments you want to give for the rest of his/her life;
Have sex with him/her because you want to love him better, but not for your personal sexual enjoyment.
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QUOTE(neropink87 @ Jun 8 2009, 11:44 AM)
I DUMP HIM when i knew dat he juz wanna hev a sex without feel responsible n commitment to future family..
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Sex is NOT designed for married couples. Sex is designed for reproduction and/or sexual enjoyment, NOT for marriage. Marriage is designed to imprison men, and some feminists even say marriage is to legalize rape. Is that what you want?
Let me guess, he didn't beg to get back with you right?
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There's still people debating about this issue?

If you want to believe that you must keep your virginity kind of bs then go ahead. However you can't impose your views on other people. It's other people's life and they take accountability for their own actions.


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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jun 8 2009, 12:15 PM)
sex was made by God to be enjoyed within marriage. .. it's just society's views nowadays f***ed up its true meaning.
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Actually, it's society which f-ed up the true meaning of sex, not the other way around. Sex was around way before the concept of "marriage" was ever invented. Today, it's made out to be like some holy grail of become one with another person that there are terms and conditions set on pre-nupts, infidelity, celebesy, yadayadayada. So no, it's not "made by God to be enjoyed within marriage". It's not my personal opinion, it is fact.

My personal opinion is that if you wait until marriage before you have sex, chances are good that you're going to have a terrible sex life.

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he juz call me to noe wat hapen..then,he let me go..
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That's what I thought. To him, sex was important, to you "virginity" is important. So he is thinking "might as well go our separate ways".
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My personal opinion is that if you wait until marriage before you have sex, chances are good that you're going to have a terrible sex life.
That's what I thought. To him, sex was important, to you "virginity" is important. So he is thinking "might as well go our separate ways".
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yeah. Like Drian was saying, if people want to keep their virginities, let them and tell them to shut up if they impose. However, I don't think they impose saving it more than people who have sex left right and center impose THEIR beliefs on the virgins. Don't give me that bullshit about terrible sex life or whatever. To girls, love counts more. To guys, sex counts more. If you think testing out cars is a must, then go ahead ... but you have to pay before you can take it out of the garage.

But anyway, my point is: live your own life.

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Just one to say virgin or not if both of then love each other it will become nothing.. And one more thing now days all people in love normal will do sex right... A lot of people now do sex.
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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jun 8 2009, 05:51 PM)
yeah. Like Drian was saying, if people want to keep their virginities, let them and tell them to shut up if they impose. However, I don't think they impose saving it more than people who have sex left right and center impose THEIR beliefs on the virgins. Don't give me that bullshit about terrible sex life or whatever. To girls, love counts more. To guys, sex counts more. If you think testing out cars is a must, then go ahead ... but you have to pay before you can take it out of the garage.

But anyway, my point is: live your own life.
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Actually, there's no such thing as "to girls love counts more". Women enjoy sex too, and also do cheat on their partners.

But the reality is, people who want to test drive a car before they buy it, don't want to buy it if the car doesn't want to be driven. But usually, it's the virgins who do all the b|tchin' laugh.gif
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Actually, there's no such thing as "to girls love counts more". Women enjoy sex too, and also do cheat on their partners.

But the reality is, people who want to test drive a car before they buy it, don't want to buy it if the car doesn't want to be driven. But usually, it's the virgins who do all the b|tchin' laugh.gif
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I admit that women enjoy sex, too, as I'm one of them, but i don't cheat my bf.

What'd you mean the virgins that do all those b****ing thingy? You mean they get the men hooked up and then put off their sexual lust?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 9 2009, 10:27 PM)
I admit that women enjoy sex, too, as I'm one of them, but i don't cheat my bf.

That's what you say now. lol

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 9 2009, 10:27 PM)
What'd you mean the virgins that do all those b****ing thingy? You mean they get the men hooked up and then put off their sexual lust?
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Meaning it's always the virgins who complains when their partner wants sex and they don't. You don't hear the non-virgins go "WTF my gf is so conservative they don't want to have intercourse". Nope, they just pack their bags and move to greener pastures, because they're not concerned about "virginity".
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ow..girls with no virgin has no dignity...if they r raped thats fine but for girls who done it with willings..well..um, i really dont want them as my wife,
girls, please dont trust boys easily. they just wanna have fun..but, when its time for them to be married, most of them want a virgin..

but, hey.. what they give, they get back..

im also a man..but im still a virgin lolx.
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That's what you say now. lol
Meaning it's always the virgins who complains when their partner wants sex and they don't. You don't hear the non-virgins go "WTF my gf is so conservative they don't want to have intercourse". Nope, they just pack their bags and move to greener pastures, because they're not concerned about "virginity".
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sex was made by God to be enjoyed within marriage. .. it's just society's views nowadays f***ed up its true meaning.
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LoL no one wants 2nd hand products or opened stuff.

Ahh so you are from curtin Perth...?

I was from UWA once.... I miss that uni. cry.gif cry.gif

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you failed.

I am neither one that you are saying here.
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That means you fall into the category of the non-virgin who complains because your partner doesn't want to give you sex. That clears things up laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jun 12 2009, 11:33 AM)
LoL no one wants 2nd hand products or opened stuff.

Ahh so you are from curtin Perth...?

I was from UWA once.... I miss that uni.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Guys who demands to have sex with their virgin gfs should be dumped. People give excuses like if I do not give he will dump me. What if one day when you grow old he does not want you anymore? What if you met in an accident and require someone the most he leaves you? Have you all thought of questions like these?

Please do not submit to your bfs that are selfish to their sexual needs.
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jun 15 2009, 02:08 PM)
Guys who demands to have sex with their virgin gfs should be dumped. People give excuses like if I do not give he will dump me. What if one day when you grow old he does not want you anymore? What if you met in an accident and require someone the most he leaves you? Have you all thought of questions like these?

Please do not submit to your bfs that are selfish to their sexual needs.
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LOL submit...you made it sounds like a form.
its true not to give to someone that only wants to fulfill their desire, or you're stupid enough to give in cos you think he'll love you more. but its also important to give it to someone you love the most isn't it?
i do not believe that the one that you're getting married with will be the man/women you love the most in your life, not certainly every marriage is like that.
so yea, i do not believe virgin is to be after marriage.
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LOL submit...you made it sounds like a form.
its true not to give to someone that only wants to fulfill their desire, or you're stupid enough to give in cos you think he'll love you more. but its also important to give it to someone you love the most isn't it?
i do not believe that the one that you're getting married with will be the man/women you love the most in your life, not certainly every marriage is like that.
so yea, i do not believe virgin is to be after marriage.
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If you tell them that you want it after marriage and if they love you enough they will wait unless you yourself want to give it then its a different story.

All Im saying is that do not give into your partner's pressure. If they love and respect you they will respect your decision.
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it maybe important to ur partner..
precisely a man that will be ur husband..

Maybe..its depend..
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to me, very,very,very important.
keep it for my husband.
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to me, very,very,very important.
keep it for my husband.
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jun 16 2009, 04:35 PM)
If you tell them that you want it after marriage and if they love you enough they will wait unless you yourself want to give it then its a different story.

All Im saying is that do not give into your partner's pressure. If they love and respect you they will respect your decision.
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i do not believe in marriage cos it's afterall a 2 person's thing...not something...no one would hold on forever after marriage anymore..thats why you see so many divorces
so keeping for husband or not does not matter anymore to me..cos the partner that you got married into cannot give you a 100% guaranteed life partner unless until the day you die
i would not mind my gf or wife in the future not a virgin or had a hundred bfs or sex before, as long as we're in love and i'm the no.101 and there no no.102


QUOTE(sweetlolipop @ Jun 30 2009, 04:15 PM)
to me, very,very,very important.
keep it for my husband.
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lets say...just saying....you have a partner that is going on for like 10 years..you're keeping until marriage...what if he does not want to wait? or...what if accident happens and you're not a virgin anymore...what then?

QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 30 2009, 05:47 PM)
will your husband keep it for you ?
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I think most Asian guys would want to have virgins as wives. It just means something to them I guess. I'd like to keep my virginity until marriage cos' you won't know whether your bf would end up to be your husband. No security at all. So keep it. smile.gif

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I think most Asian guys would want to have virgins as wives. It just means something to them I guess. I'd like to keep my virginity until marriage cos' you won't know whether your bf would end up to be your husband. No security at all. So keep it.  smile.gif
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if u have been f***ed several times or many many times... u would see black vagina a sign of usage...]

if reddish or pink it show u are still virgin.... drool.gif

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if u have been f***ed several times or many many times... u would see black vagina a sign of usage...]

if reddish or pink it show u are still virgin....  drool.gif
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this i do not agree...not proven at all
i think it's the matter of hygiene or aging..not usage
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that is orang kampung thinking la...you mean your future husband can keep on f*$&ing other till he marrys you ??
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lol you'll be surprised. all my boyfriends have been virgins, and a lot of guys around me are virgins. not everybody's doing it, as everybody seems to think.
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lol you'll be surprised. all my boyfriends have been virgins, and a lot of guys around me are virgins. not everybody's doing it, as everybody seems to think.
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depends on how u really think bout it

virgin or not virgin is just a word at last, more direct it's just u did it before or not.

for some ppl, if u say u not virgin, ppl think u not clean. but still, its from which angle u look at it je.

keep virginity for mr right is not a bad idea, but u needa think, doesn't mean ur future husband tak pernah cucuk perempuan lain dulu right?

virgin or not virgin, most important, is his heart is with ur heart or ur hole. if with ur heart, then no worries. if other part, huhu...
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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jul 2 2009, 12:53 AM)
lol you'll be surprised. all my boyfriends have been virgins, and a lot of guys around me are virgins. not everybody's doing it, as everybody seems to think.
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QUOTE(FiF2 @ Jul 2 2009, 04:55 AM)
depends on how u really think bout it

virgin or not virgin is just a word at last, more direct it's just u did it before or not.

for some ppl, if u say u not virgin, ppl think u not clean. but still, its from which angle u look at it je.

keep virginity for mr right is not a bad idea, but u needa think, doesn't mean ur future husband tak pernah cucuk perempuan lain dulu right?

virgin or not virgin, most important, is his heart is with ur heart or ur hole. if with ur heart, then no worries. if other part, huhu...
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virgin means a person who never did intercourse.. if the person had an accident and the hymen tore, the person is still considered a virgin..

hmm.. i'v personally exprienced this, both me and my bf are virgins when we did it.. generally girls got blood everybody knew it.. bt then my bf also got blood jz a little which u could c the blood lah..got stuck in the condom.. the amount is nt as much as girls..

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QUOTE(happy_gal @ Jul 2 2009, 01:45 PM)
virgin means a person who never did intercourse.. if the person had an accident and the hymen tore, the person is still considered a virgin..

hmm.. i'v personally exprienced this, both me and my bf are virgins when we did it.. generally girls got blood everybody knew it.. bt then my bf also got blood jz a little which u could c the blood lah..got stuck in the condom.. the amount is nt as much as girls..
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jun 15 2009, 02:08 PM)
Guys who demands to have sex with their virgin gfs should be dumped. People give excuses like if I do not give he will dump me. What if one day when you grow old he does not want you anymore? What if you met in an accident and require someone the most he leaves you? Have you all thought of questions like these?
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WTF? How is that even relevent to the issue of virginity? Seriously, if he wants to leave you because you're old, then he'll leave regardless of whether or not the woman is a virgin. And trust me, no guys will find a 70 year old virgin attractive.

QUOTE(killingspree @ Jul 1 2009, 04:11 PM)
if u have been f***ed several times or many many times... u would see black vagina a sign of usage...]

if reddish or pink it show u are still virgin....  drool.gif
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Seriously.... how stupid are you people?

QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jul 2 2009, 12:53 AM)
lol you'll be surprised. all my boyfriends have been virgins, and a lot of guys around me are virgins. not everybody's doing it, as everybody seems to think.
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Or *maybe* they're just lying to you because that's what you want to hear. Maybe they're afraid that if they tell you they're no longer virgins, you'll stomp them with your moral superiority?
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 2 2009, 04:53 PM)
WTF? How is that even relevent to the issue of virginity? Seriously, if he wants to leave you because you're old, then he'll leave regardless of whether or not the woman is a virgin. And trust me, no guys will find a 70 year old virgin attractive.
Seriously.... how stupid are you people?
Or *maybe* they're just lying to you because that's what you want to hear. Maybe they're afraid that if they tell you they're no longer virgins, you'll stomp them with your moral superiority?
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Does not mean that the guy wont dump the girl after getting sex from her either tongue.gif All Im saying that loving him does not mean giving sex to him. Maybe being your gf means must have sex with u if not you do not think she loves you....
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I agree to having the biggest present for my marriage : My wife who is still a virgin. But then if somehow the past was inevitably filled with erm.....drama.....wont mean i wont love her any less.

It all boils down to her true nature, self esteem, character and her commitment to the relationship.

But yeah, i wud say virginity is the most precious gift for a spouse. Makes them feel they are special and no one has it but them only. =)
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QUOTE(Pinarello @ Jul 12 2009, 05:53 PM)
I agree to having the biggest present for my marriage : My wife who is still a virgin. But then if somehow the past was inevitably filled with erm.....drama.....wont mean i wont love her any less.

It all boils down to her true nature, self esteem, character and her commitment to the relationship.

But yeah, i wud say virginity is the most precious gift for a spouse. Makes them feel they are special and no one has it but them only. =)
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im not married yet.......but im just expressing my opinion. =)
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jun 12 2009, 01:49 PM)
That means you fall into the category of the non-virgin who complains because your partner doesn't want to give you sex. That clears things up laugh.gif
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You bet it?
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Looking at this thread I realise how immature some members can be. I mean they can continue arguing on virginity when the more important things such as whether the girl can click with you , whether the girl has good character, whether the girl is down to earth, whether the girl can have an intelligent conversation with you etc is way way more important.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Jun 8 2009, 11:57 AM)
Sex is NOT designed for married couples. Sex is designed for reproduction and/or sexual enjoyment, NOT for marriage. Marriage is designed to imprison men, and some feminists even say marriage is to legalize rape. Is that what you want?
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What are you trying to say?

QUOTE(spanker @ Jun 8 2009, 11:57 AM)
Let me guess, he didn't beg to get back with you right?
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gal must virgin before married, is importance.


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QUOTE(ahjames @ Jul 13 2009, 09:43 AM)
gal must virgin before married, is importance.
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no, i no break any cherry.

of cos, if she not virgin also, is importance.
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QUOTE(ahjames @ Jul 13 2009, 09:48 AM)
no, i no break any cherry.

of cos, if she not virgin also, is importance.
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jul 2 2009, 11:23 PM)
Does not mean that the guy wont dump the girl after getting sex from her either tongue.gif All Im saying that loving him does not mean giving sex to him. Maybe being your gf means must have sex with u if not you do not think she loves you....
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Don't you realize what you say go both ways? Even if the girl gives her virginity AFTER marriage, her newfound husband can still leave her. Sex is NOT a guarantee of a relationship, it NEVER was, so why treat it like it's some sort of holy, sacred quality? Is there a reason why you are scared of a an unmarried non-virgin?

And if you're the kind of man who wants a virgin wife so you can go "first blood!!!", simply means you are limiting your selection of good women who does not include 'virginity' in their portfolio of high values.

Worse still, by wanting a virgin wife, it already reflects on the shallowness and conditional love imposed onto women, much like the gold diggers' condition imposed on men.

btw, I want sex from my gf because I enjoy sex and sex is important to me, it's not because I want her to show me she loves me. There are other ways of showing that besides sex.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 13 2009, 09:31 AM)
What are you trying to say?

Which part do you want me to clarify?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 13 2009, 09:31 AM)
There's no way he can bait her back cos the only thing that he is looking for is sex, which she denies to give him.
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I don't think he was even trying to bait her. He just doesn't want an uptight gf.

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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 14 2009, 02:22 PM)
Don't you realize what you say go both ways? Even if the girl gives her virginity AFTER marriage, her newfound husband can still leave her. Sex is NOT a guarantee of a relationship, it NEVER was, so why treat it like it's some sort of holy, sacred quality? Is there a reason why you are scared of a an unmarried non-virgin?

And if you're the kind of man who wants a virgin wife so you can go "first blood!!!", simply means you are limiting your selection of good women who does not include 'virginity' in their portfolio of high values.

Worse still, by wanting a virgin wife, it already reflects on the shallowness and conditional love that is onto women, much like the gold diggers' condition imposed on men.

btw, I want sex from my gf because I enjoy sex and sex is important to me, it's not because I want her to show me she loves me. There are other ways of showing that besides sex.

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im agree with u. sex is not a guarantee of a relationship. nod.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 14 2009, 01:21 PM)
don't get you...  sad.gif
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means he whack any girl. virgin or not sad.gif sad.gif
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i don't mind about virgin as long u really love her n her love u to..thats all is more importan...if i dapat virgin girl tapi perangai like s**l xguna juga right:)if semua lelaki cari yang virgin then yang tak virgin ne macam mane???they also want happy life.

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QUOTE(crysqy @ Nov 1 2009, 05:49 AM)
i don't mind about virgin as long u really love her n her love u to..thats all is more importan...if i dapat virgin girl tapi perangai like s**l xguna juga right:)if semua lelaki cari yang virgin then yang tak virgin ne macam mane???they also want happy life.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Nov 1 2009, 10:29 AM)
i agree....
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recent studies about teenagers and verginity is that most of the teenagers have already done it!.. having a wife with her verginity is a bonus.
like crysqy said
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i don't mind about virgin as long u really love her n her love u to..thats all is more importan...if i dapat virgin girl tapi perangai like s**l xguna juga right:)if semua lelaki cari yang virgin then yang tak virgin ne macam mane???they also want happy life.


got to agree with him,as long as ur in love with the right one, who gives a damn?

[http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-19-teens-technical-virginity_x.htm]
read that nod.gif

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QUOTE(PinkieBunny @ Nov 5 2009, 06:18 PM)
im wondering. the "virginity" u guys mean in here is? i mean.some girls/guys masturbate.do u guys take that as virgin?some people dont.some people do.some people think when u REALLY had sex with a guy.then only counted u lost ur virginity.


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Virginity is not important.if love is all about concerns on virginity,then it be very hard to love him/her
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QUOTE(PinkieBunny @ Nov 5 2009, 06:18 PM)
im wondering. the "virginity" u guys mean in here is? i mean.some girls/guys masturbate.do u guys take that as virgin?some people dont.some people do.some people think when u REALLY had sex with a guy.then only counted u lost ur virginity.


Added on November 5, 2009, 6:19 pmF.Y.I
Virginity is not important.if love is all about concerns on virginity,then it be very hard to love him/her
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virginity is more important than money
as long as a person nvr had sex with opposite gender, thn it's still considered a virgin to me
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QUOTE(jianjie @ Nov 6 2009, 09:08 PM)
virginity is more important than money
as long as a person nvr had sex with opposite gender, thn it's still considered a virgin to me
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i think money is very important wor... and is very hard to expect high probability of virginity these days

how about one's virginity vs love?
obvious to me love is most important....

so for me
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2. money
3. virginity
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QUOTE(accetera @ Nov 6 2009, 10:06 PM)
i think money is very important wor... and is very hard to expect high probability of virginity these days

how about one's virginity vs love?
obvious to me love is most important....

so for me
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3. virginity
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Agree with that biggrin.gif
love and money is important than virginity.
If that hubby is a virgin too how he could know the feeling of poking into a virgin one ....I wondering brows.gif
He got to be experience with few girls only he can determine either his wife is a virgin or not.
Another thing was, in this cyber world and a development country ... our custom come to the same too.
No matter how religious is a person, they don't bother about VIRGIN ( most but not all ). As long as they love each other and they also understand their love one lost their virgin to their previous ex or ex-ex or ex-ex-ex because he/she really love them and very into them at that time. They are their future that time and no one can predict some incident will happen to make them a part ... wink.gif
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from what i know, if girl dont have sex for couple of months then the **** will be tight again..experience it myself
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QUOTE(CandyQMT @ Nov 7 2009, 02:28 AM)
Agree with that  biggrin.gif
love and money is important than virginity.
If that hubby is a virgin too how he could know the feeling of poking into a virgin one ....I wondering  brows.gif
He got to be experience with few girls only he can determine either his wife is a virgin or not.
Another thing was, in this cyber world and a development country ... our custom come to the same too.
No matter how religious is a person, they don't bother about VIRGIN ( most but not all ). As long as they love each other and they also understand their love one lost their virgin to their previous ex or ex-ex or ex-ex-ex because he/she really love them and very into them at that time. They are their future that time and no one can predict some incident will happen to make them a part ... wink.gif
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from what i know, if girl dont have sex for couple of months then the **** will be tight again..experience it myself
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if get a new BF or getting married one should or should not hide on her Virginity ?
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if get a new BF or getting married one should or should not hide on her Virginity ?
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Nothing to be hide and just tell the truth ...
If She/He cannot accept then he/she really mind about your virginity and not because she/he love you for who you are .
Then he/she should married to VIRGINITY not a HUMAN tongue.gif
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yes it is very important to me. I'll be giving it to my husband. (after married)
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Losing one & keeping the "other one" virgin then i think is ok..........
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Still have it.

Important to me.

Personal choice. Personal reasons. cool.gif
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I prefer non-virgin girls as a guy.... they are already comfortable with their bodies and they enjoy sex.

A lot of people think sex isnt important in a relationship, and yes, its not everything, but good sex makes a good relationship GREAT!

Also, it's important to have sex with your partner before getting married. What if the 2 of you decide to save your virginity for each other, then after you get married you find out that you sexually incompatible? You may say that if you really love each other than its not a problem, this is a fallacy. For a marriage to work you need a lot more than just "love".



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I prefer non-virgin girls as a guy.... they are already comfortable with their bodies and they enjoy sex.

A lot of people think sex isnt important in a relationship, and yes, its not everything, but good sex makes a good relationship GREAT!

Also, it's important to have sex with your partner before getting married. What if the 2 of you decide to save your virginity for each other, then after you get married you find out that you sexually incompatible? You may say that if you really love each other than its not a problem, this is a fallacy. For a marriage to work you need a lot more than just "love".
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Your statement is so familiar to me but I can't think of which forumer that actually has posted it before.

Anyway, just wonder if you will dump a gal you actually interested in but sexually incompatible?
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When we hooked up I was her 4th BF and she was my 3rd GF, neither of us had any problems with our past experiences. Both of us enjoy sex, sometimes I initiate and sometimes she initiates.

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Ok...
I admire your honesty

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Women can enjoy sex just as much as men do. Go out and give it a try wink.gif
Just make sure your bf practises safe sex and hope he isnt lousy in bed wink.gif
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don't really mind. smile.gif but it depends on the age of your partner, though.
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I believe if both are "clickable", they are compatible with each other on sexual matter.

Therefore, still, I admit that sexual compatibility does light up a relationship, LOVE conqueres everything.

Meanwhile, personally I can only make love with the one I love and won't choose someone who is sexual compatible but I don't really love.

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Nobody is saying that you should have sex with simply anyone.

You should have sex with the person you really love, but also need to remember that if the person you love doesnt suit you sexually then its very possible to fall out of love.
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Ultimately, the most important factor is "Love". Other things come after Love.
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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Nov 13 2009, 03:30 PM)
Nobody is saying that you should have sex with simply anyone.

You should have sex with the person you really love, but also need to remember that if the person you love doesnt suit you sexually then its very possible to fall out of love.
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I'd still think that, putting sex as one of the criteria in choosing a life partner, is not wise.

If you said LOVE is more than that, I can also say SEX is more than that. Good sex happens only when 2 genuine hearts truly loving each other.

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it is important!!sure.heheh
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If you perceive sex as just an activity u do..maybe you would not mind someone which lost his/her virginity.

But if u value sex as something u do on a man-women spiritual bonding thing..well then yes it matters.
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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Nov 14 2009, 10:28 AM)
If you perceive sex as just an activity u do..maybe you would not mind someone which lost his/her virginity.

But if u value sex as something u do on a man-women spiritual bonding thing..well then yes it matters.
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But if u value sex as something u do on a man-women spiritual bonding thing..well then yes it matters.
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QUOTE(deora @ Nov 15 2009, 04:44 PM)
1000% agree
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The moment you agree with this, shows that you are a retard.
So you prefer many men taste her body before you and eventually trained her up to love her body, instead of you who being the one that experience her body and sexual need?

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ok...i've once ask my fren who's damn obsessed with jap chicks 1....

the story goes like tis...u go japan,u meet a girl...love at 1st sight...u 2 click up very fast....u r in real love n wanted her badly...u marry her...
after a period of time....u went to get some cd's at local store...seaching thru porns u saw ur wife on 1 of the DVD....u r shocked...stunned and watever u can think off.....but u realy vr vr vr like n love her....wat would u do...... sweat.gif

her xplaination was...she was naive n young wit immature thinking....... unsure.gif

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i wonder will the girl pain for 1st time? str8 put in or finger first?
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Are you guys seriously considering that sex should be perceived as an activity to do? From the beginning of time, sex was made to be a spiritually fulfilling experience for 2 people of different genders and for purposes of bonding and reproduction.

I agree with debbieyss' statement. agreeing to lowyatter's post 1000% would suggest mental retardation.

mRpRoZ, you not very pro leh~ The pain will depend on 2 things as far as I know-

1. If her hymen has already broken due to rigorous activity or is non-exsitent. "around 40% of females are born without one"
2. If she masturbates by inserting objects inside.
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No matter who the girl are, 1st time is always something that's important for them
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Do you really think that sex has always been about love? We are no better than animals. Like animals, we have sex drives as Nature's way of encouraging the continuation of our species. That's probably why Nature made it so daym fun as well. It's the way we've been brought up that makes us believe in love, though i'm not doubting love. It's hard to believe that there's magically someone for everyone. I don't see that as destiny. I see it as odds.

Back to the topic, Virginities are always important and even as a guy i'd think twice before making love to a girl i loved. IMO, It is just as important with every girl you will ever have sex with for the first time.
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i mean if we have sex, wad should we do for the first time? finger first?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 15 2009, 05:33 PM)
The moment you agree with this, shows that you are a retard.
So you prefer many men taste her body before you and eventually trained her up to love her body, instead of you who being the one that experience her body and sexual need?
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If you really love the person then it's not important? Also, on what grounds do you have to call him a retard? There's no need for ad-hominem attacks here. If you dont agree with his viewpoint then just say you dont agree, no need for insults.
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sex is more about how the guy pleasure his lady....u know...some ppl 5 minutes 9 tim...potong stim
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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Nov 16 2009, 10:37 AM)
If you really love the person then it's not important? Also, on what grounds do you have to call him a retard? There's no need for ad-hominem attacks here. If you dont agree with his viewpoint then just say you dont agree, no need for insults.
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For sure I never say sex is bad. And I never say a non-virgin is disloyal.

You will make love to your gf cos you really love her. But if sexual compaitibility is something which you can call off a relationship, I don't see how much you really love that person.

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Just to make sure, are you a virgin or not?
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Is that relevant to this topic?
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The moment you agree with this, shows that you are a retard.
So you prefer many men taste her body before you and eventually trained her up to love her body, instead of you who being the one that experience her body and sexual need?

I am assuming that you are based on this post, but would like to make sure before I say anything else.
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If you are smart and experienced enough, you don't have to know if you need my confirmation to put furhter comment.

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Why so evasive?
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So what do you want to say actually? Mind to put it straight forward?

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I thought I was being pretty straight forward. Are you a virgin?

<-- Not so smart or experienced, so have to ask.
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but would like to make sure before I say anything else. --->that's what I'm trying to say could you be more straight forward.
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Nvm, if you arent willing to answer then I got nothing more to say.
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This is like a war. Chill out.

"Do you really think that sex has always been about love? We are no better than animals. Like animals, we have sex drives as Nature's way of encouraging the continuation of our species. That's probably why Nature made it so daym fun as well. It's the way we've been brought up that makes us believe in love, though i'm not doubting love. It's hard to believe that there's magically someone for everyone. I don't see that as destiny. I see it as odds."

Well sir. You are speaking on a very basic and primal level. A place where SEEING IT AS ODDS have no place. One thing you did not seem to mention is that we are intelligent beings able to make choices. If you go around comparing yourself to the basics of animal instincts, go jump into a jungle and find a tarzan-girl. You make it sound like sex is our duty to carry on the fate of the world and human kind. If everyone thought the same way, we'd have non-stop orgies and no real spiritual development as well as a working relationship with whoever it is you are/want to be with.
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not being virgin doesnt meant she's a slut o b**** o watever tat kind...

wat if u took ur gf virginity then after a few year ltr u cheat on her...she found out n broke up with u....so the next 1 see her as a slut for not being virgin?
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QUOTE(Yong_5290 @ Nov 17 2009, 07:51 PM)
not being virgin doesnt meant she's a slut o b**** o watever tat kind...

wat if u took ur gf virginity then after a few year ltr u cheat on her...she found out n broke up with u....so the next 1 see her as a slut for not being virgin?
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Exactly where did we say the girl is a slut and/or b**** or whatever else in the list.

Just saying that keeping your virginity should be a top priority. Nothing more.
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As a guy, I love the girl for who she is. For that I would love her the best I could. Virginity and all other things are quite secondary because sometimes its beyond our control and decisions.
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Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
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virginity is not too important in a marriage, in todays world. she still has all the organ in a girls body, no matter she is virgin or not. i bet not many bf/gf relationship over a year, has never had sex b4. its normal for a couple to **ahem** after some time they are in a relationship, but it could always end b4 marriage. So if virginity is so important, the couples who had crushes will find it vr vr hard to come into another relation with someone new.
True love is not a yr or 2, its lifetime, and in a lifetime, alot people will came into relation with more than a partner.
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QUOTE(WEE2000 @ Nov 18 2009, 02:35 AM)
virginity is not too important in a marriage, in todays world. she still has all the organ in a girls body, no matter she is virgin or not. i bet not many bf/gf relationship over a year, has never had sex b4. its normal for a couple to **ahem** after some time they are in a relationship, but it could always end b4 marriage. So if virginity is so important, the couples who had crushes will find it vr vr hard to come into another relation with someone new.
True love is not a yr or 2, its lifetime, and in a lifetime, alot people will came into relation with more than a partner.
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Just to be clear, keeping one's virginity is not important to you since you have pointed out that it isn't too important in marriage in todays world?

And where do you get that "not many relationships over a year has never had sex before" from? Did you take a survey? Or are you extrapolating from what you hear or from the peers around you? The reason people are taking sex for granted is because the media has deemed it LUDICROUS for young people to NOT have sex. They indirectly say, "Succumb to you instincts" and thus you have a long list of problems - statutory rape, teen pregnancies, emotional breakdowns on the girls' side, STI's (sexually transmitted diseases)

And another question. What does virginity and couples who had crushes have to do with going into another relationship with someone new?

True love is hard to find. A given. But you can't put it down into a numerical entity. In a perfect world, true love WOULD be a lifetime, but there are people who spend a lifetime with each other without love for reasons such as their children, loneliness, etc

Why can't people try and keep what should be most precious to them that which was taught since the beginning of time - Their Virginity.

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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 09:07 AM)
Why can't people try and keep what should be most precious to them that which was taught since the beginning of time - Their Virginity.
Can you define exactly what's so precious about one's virginity?


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Can you define exactly what's so precious about one's virginity?
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Can you define exactly what's so precious about one's virginity?
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The very first time you have sex should be an experience you do with a loved one. There have been so many cases where people lose their virginity then regret that didn't wait. Having sex prematurely is like a double-edged sword; it will either bring you to another level in the relationship or destroy it. Guys are all gung-ho about it coz they have less to lose than a girl does. How often do you hear guys say, "I'm keeping myself for marriage." Face it, society rewards men having sex (i.e. YOU) but utterly rejects the notion of a girl doing it for pleasure (although this is slowly changing)

Sex for humans was meant to be a connection on another level because we have the ability to understand what we are doing and enjoy it as we go along. Do you see animals have foreplay? Think about it.
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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 04:44 PM)
The very first time you have sex should be an experience you do with a loved one.
Yes, it should. Plenty of people didn't. What does this have to do with virginity?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 04:44 PM)
There have been so many cases where people lose their virginity then regret that didn't wait.
Wait for what? And why should they regret it?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 04:44 PM)
Having sex prematurely is like a double-edged sword; it will either bring you to another level in the relationship or destroy it.
Relationships end for a myriad reasons. Sex is a symptom, not a cause. If a guy dumps a girl right after he screws her, would you blame her for sleeping with him?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 04:44 PM)
Guys are all gung-ho about it coz they have less to lose than a girl does. How often do you hear guys say, "I'm keeping myself for marriage." Face it, society rewards men having sex (i.e. YOU) but utterly rejects the notion of a girl doing it for pleasure (although this is slowly changing)
And what makes you think it will change any faster if we stick to the traditional thinking that a girl should remain a virgin till marriage?

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ya agree with you. How many girls are still virgin nowadays. If u wanna find a virgin gal to married better become monk lor after all this is not so important la. And those virgin girl if u wanna proposed them to have sex very hard de leh but those who have tried i think dating few days then can start making love edi.....

care to tell is there any virgin around??and how old r u if u r still virgin?


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The very first time you have sex should be an experience you do with a loved one. There have been so many cases where people lose their virginity then regret that didn't wait. Having sex prematurely is like a double-edged sword; it will either bring you to another level in the relationship or destroy it. Guys are all gung-ho about it coz they have less to lose than a girl does. How often do you hear guys say, "I'm keeping myself for marriage." Face it, society rewards men having sex (i.e. YOU) but utterly rejects the notion of a girl doing it for pleasure (although this is slowly changing)

Sex for humans was meant to be a connection on another level because we have the ability to understand what we are doing and enjoy it as we go along. Do you see animals have foreplay? Think about it.
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Yes, it should. Plenty of people didn't. What does this have to do with virginity?
Shouldn't you at least put some thought into who you would do it the first time?

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Wait for what? And why should they regret it?
Wait/regret for whatever reasons you have. There is nothing to justify.

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Relationships end for a myriad reasons. Sex is a symptom, not a cause. If a guy dumps a girl right after he screws her, would you blame her for sleeping with him?
Elaborate on sex being a symptom.

It takes two to tango. Why would you shift the blame to just one person?

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And what makes you think it will change any faster if we stick to the traditional thinking that a girl should remain a virgin till marriage?
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Did I say I was for this mindset changing? I believe I'm debating on "We should keep our virginity til marriage" side.
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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 05:28 PM)
Shouldn't you at least put some thought into who you would do it the first time?
I'm sure everyone is aware of the significance of their first time. Why create an artificial standard of right and wrong for it? Since you advocate remaining a virgin till marriage, why are you telling a non-married non-virgin that what they did was wrong?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 05:28 PM)
Wait/regret for whatever reasons you have. There is nothing to justify.
That's a neat little dodge, isn't it? You clearly think there's something regrettable about premarital sex. I'm asking you what that is.

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 05:28 PM)
Elaborate on sex being a symptom.

It takes two to tango. Why would you shift the blame to just one person?
Sex is a symptom because if a guy tricks a girl into bed with promises of love, he's not the kind of guy anyone should have a relationship with. He is wholly to blame for being deceitful and manipulative. Why then focus on the sex? Why say it was sex that destroyed the relationship? If she fell for him and he deceived and manipulated her, she has enough hurt and pain to deal with already. She doesn't need to believe furthermore that she is "ruined" because she gave up her virginity to him - which is solely due to this artificial standard of virginity as something precious.

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I'm sure everyone is aware of the significance of their first time. Why create an artificial standard of right and wrong for it? Since you advocate remaining a virgin till marriage, why are you telling a non-married non-virgin that what they did was wrong?
Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I just debated on keeping your virginity. Practicing some abstinence. I did not create an artificial standard. I did not say what they did was wrong. What was said is "keeping your virginity is important". There's nothing more to that.

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That's a neat little dodge, isn't it? You clearly think there's something regrettable about premarital sex. I'm asking you what that is.
It's not a dodge. It's a fact. You have no right to pry into personal reasons. If you are looking for a personal reason of mine, I would say I'd like to keep the sanctity of sex and my virginity for my only one until marriage. I do not plan on a divorce. I believe there's one person meant for anyone. But these are my beliefs. Ask a different person, you might get a different answer.

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Sex is a symptom because if a guy tricks a girl into bed with promises of love, he's not the kind of guy anyone should have a relationship with. He is wholly to blame for being deceitful and manipulative. Why then focus on the sex? Why say it was sex that destroyed the relationship? If she fell for him and he deceived and manipulated her, she has enough hurt and pain to deal with already. She doesn't need to believe furthermore that she is "ruined" because she gave up her virginity to him - which is solely due to this artificial standard of virginity as something precious.
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Well. It boils down to choice she has if she wants to believe she's "ruined" or not. I did not create any artificial standard of virginity. If you really think about it, people of this age has made it appear as an artificial standard. A person's virginity, especially the females, was protected and even fought for before. Why label a standard that has been there since the beginning as artificial when people have fought for and even died for at some point to protect.

Why not focus on the sex? It is extreme modern thinking that defaced the sanctity of it. Yes. I believe it is a union that is definitely holy on some levels. It is an act of producing life. For so long, and even now, the womb was thought of as the source of life. Sex should not be taken for granted.

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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 06:56 PM)
Again, you are putting words into my mouth. I just debated on keeping your virginity. Practicing some abstinence. I did not create an artificial standard. I did not say what they did was wrong. What was said is "keeping your virginity is important". There's nothing more to that.
Yes there is, and it's obvious you've not thought through the implications of what you've said. What if a girl does not value her virginity? What would you think of her?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 06:56 PM)
Well. It boils down to choice she has if she wants to believe she's "ruined" or not. I did not create any artificial standard of virginity. If you really think about it, people of this age has made it appear as an artificial standard. A person's virginity, especially the females, was protected and even fought for before. Why label a standard that has been there since the beginning as artificial when people have fought for and even died for at some point to protect.
<sigh> Do you not understand what the term "artificial standard" means?

Yes, a girl's virginity has been treated like a prize since long ago. So what? If it's a "since long ago" tradition means it's good? I'm asking exactly why virginity is important, and you keep dodging the question.


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Yes there is, and it's obvious you've not thought through the implications of what you've said. What if a girl does not value her virginity? What would you think of her?
Sigh. I've only ever stated that keeping your virginity is important. If you think I have implied something that should offend you, suck it up. Don't say I haven't thought through on what I have posted. If a girl does not value her virginity, it doesn't matter what I think. I'm still looking at with an objective angle. I did not have any intention to imply that girls who do not value their virginity are sluts or anything else. Do not put words in my mouth.

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<sigh> Do you not understand what the term "artificial standard" means?

Yes, a girl's virginity has been treated like a prize since long ago. So what? If it's a "since long ago" tradition means it's good? I'm asking exactly why virginity is important, and you keep dodging the question.
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Please enlighten me on the term "artificial standard" then. Maybe I'm taking it in a too literal sense.

What's wrong with staying true to some old traditions? If you are so unhappy about it and want to break from the norm, why not create your own community and say that we are free. Total freedom. We respect all and follow none.

And how am I dodging the question? Everyone has their own reasons. Losing ones virginity is an emotional undertaking. If done prematurely, it could cause a person to be distraught. I'm not saying it's the same for everyone, but isn't it important enough to keep for when you are truly emotionally ready?

If you are ready, hey. Go for it. I am not judging you. It is you who interpret whatever I have posted as implications that losing your virginity is wrong. Who are you to question whether I want to keep mine or not?

I'd like to be very clear. I am not judging anyone. Check my posts. I did not say what was right nor did I say what was wrong. I just said it's IMPORTANT

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As for the title is virginity important to girls?

From my girlfriend's opinion, YES because of religion and how she was brought up by her parents.

I have been dating my girlfriend for 3++ years almost to 4 next mid-year and I've never poked or deflower or pop her cherry before. She would like to think in a way that her virginity is a present on my wedding night. We did kissing until to the stage of DRY humping but never SEXual intercourse.

It depends on the guys and girls' thoughts individually. If a girl asks me is being a virgin important, I would say yes. However, I don't mind having my 2nd-half as not being a virgin as long as the reasons are acceptable to me. Playgirls and girls that have 2 or more boyfriends aren't acceptable to me because although they've said they changed, a bad apple is a bad apple and the probability of her backstabbing you is quite high.

In Malaysia, there are people who accept non-virgins as their loved ones, but there are also people who will talk bad things about girls not being a virgin anymore and usually the gossips hurts. The safest bet I feel is be a virgin until you met Mr. Forever Love You because

Exhibit A: Not a virgin - some guys and his parents does not like the fact that his wife/daughter-in-law is not a virgin before marriage.

Exhibit B: Virgin - ALL guys would want to marry a virgin girl.

P/S: This is just MY own thoughts about this. Think twice before you act.

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Exhibit B: Virgin - ALL guys would want to marry a virgin girl.
Wrong.


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Wrong? Enlightened me. Some guys do not like marrying a virgin girl? That's kinda odd to me.
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Wrong? Enlightened me. Some guys do not like marrying a virgin girl? That's kinda odd to me.
Some guys want to marry a girl who's lived and experienced as much as they have. Some guys want to marry a girl who's their equal, not their inferior. Some guys want to marry a woman, not a girl.


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Wrong? Enlightened me. Some guys do not like marrying a virgin girl? That's kinda odd to me.
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You are looking at it with a very one-sided periscope.

I have a whole bunch of friends that tell me they would not marry a virgin. They want their spouse to be sexually experience so they that can please themselves as well.

The fact that you and I want to marry a virgin girl seems totally odd to them.
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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 20 2009, 03:48 PM)
You are looking at it with a very one-sided periscope.

I have a whole bunch of friends that tell me they would not marry a virgin. They want their spouse to be sexually experience so they that can please themselves as well.

The fact that you and I want to marry a virgin girl seems totally odd to them.
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Some guys want to marry a girl who's lived and experienced as much as they have. Some guys want to marry a girl who's their equal, not their inferior. Some guys want to marry a woman, not a girl.
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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 20 2009, 03:48 PM)
You are looking at it with a very one-sided periscope.

I have a whole bunch of friends that tell me they would not marry a virgin. They want their spouse to be sexually experience so they that can please themselves as well.

The fact that you and I want to marry a virgin girl seems totally odd to them.
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O.o this seems new to me. All my friends in Malaysia and Australia would prefer to marry a virgin girl. Hmm...then be a virgin and non-virgin has pros and cons. Well then it is up to individuals to decide which weights more than the other.
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fuhh..but australian not choose non virgin or virgin..bkoz sex in they country soo free...so easy to f***..i think the issue non virgin or virgin not important to them
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well well, this is what i heard from my friend.
" asians test after buy"
"westerns buy after test"

well, do you guys agree? or disagree?
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QUOTE(cupidhikari @ Nov 21 2009, 12:55 AM)
well well, this is what i heard from my friend.
" asians test after buy"
"westerns buy after test"

well, do you guys agree? or disagree?
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Look at our schools and colleges.
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why not marry a virgin?? hmm.gif
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As long as there's love and understanding, being a virgin or not will not be factored in the relationship equation.

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QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 21 2009, 02:26 AM)
=.=" answered already. Go read again. They want the girl to have more experience in sex so that they can receive more pleasure...
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IMO whether or not a person prefers a virgin or non-virgin partner is really their own business.

But on the other hand, here is what I think :

I am a pre-twenty female and proud to say that I am still a virgin. In fact, all of my friends are still virgins.

The assumption that most females do not remain virgins over the age of 18 is pure bullcrap. It is true that many girls have lost their virginity during their school years but please do not take to it as 1 answer applies to all of us. I do not condemn pre marital sex but I beleive that a girl who lost her virginity before the age of 18 is merely because she wad with the wrong person. If a man really loves you as an equal, I strongly stick to the fact that no matter the circumstances he will wait. And the same applies to the other sex. As always, peer pressure and influence has a lot to do with the topic of our discussion.

Again, I am making this statement as an individual female. I do not represent the entire society.

Personally, I would like a virgin man to be my husband although I know how difficult it is to find one of that species biggrin.gif I would prefer if my first did not have any previous experience so we can explore together wub.gif but then again, shouldn't love conquer all.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 13 2009, 12:19 PM)
Your statement is so familiar to me but I can't think of which forumer that actually has posted it before.

Do you mean me? tongue.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 13 2009, 12:19 PM)
Anyway, just wonder if you will dump a gal you actually interested in but sexually incompatible?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 15 2009, 05:33 PM)
So you prefer many men taste her body before you and eventually trained her up to love her body, instead of you who being the one that experience her body and sexual need?
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What's wrong with many men "tasting" her body?

QUOTE(iluvlala @ Nov 18 2009, 04:44 PM)
Sex for humans was meant to be a connection on another level because we have the ability to understand what we are doing and enjoy it as we go along. Do you see animals have foreplay? Think about it.
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Animals have foreplay ALL THE TIME. Male spiders tap on the female spider's web to seduce her, dogs like b|tches' genitals, etc etc. Think about it.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 3 2009, 03:44 PM)
I am a pre-twenty female and proud to say that I am still a virgin. In fact, all of my friends are still virgins.

Is that what teenagers are calling themselves these days? Pre-twenties?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 15 2009, 05:33 PM)
The assumption that most females do not remain virgins over the age of 18 is pure bullcrap. It is true that many girls have lost their virginity during their school years but please do not take to it as 1 answer applies to all of us. I do not condemn pre marital sex but I beleive that a girl who lost her virginity before the age of 18 is merely because she wad with the wrong person. If a man really loves you as an equal, I strongly stick to the fact that no matter the circumstances he will wait. And the same applies to the other sex. As always, peer pressure and influence has a lot to do with the topic of our discussion.

Again, I am making this statement as an individual female. I do not represent the entire society.

Personally, I would like a virgin man to be my husband although I know how difficult it is to find one of that species  biggrin.gif I would prefer if my first did not have any previous experience so we can explore together  wub.gif but then again, shouldn't love conquer all.
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Do you know that you have subjected yourself to a VERY patriarchial standard by saying you want to be a virgin wife? Because virginity is a value placed on women by men, because men are not very good when it comes to sharing. So if you think you have "liberated" yourself, think again wink.gif
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for my opinion.... same tempo or not.... means... need to get into same bit ... do each other enjoy in bed togather .. is important to me...

so.. better test before buy.... haha....

virginity is not important to me now.... feeling & future .. is more important....

virginity will effect marriage & future... if not same channel... haha... sorry for those virgin...
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QUOTE(popiahalex @ Dec 3 2009, 08:24 PM)
for my opinion.... same tempo or not....  means... need to get into same bit ...  do each other enjoy in bed togather  .. is important to me...

so.. better test before buy.... haha....

virginity is not important to me now.... feeling & future .. is more important....

virginity will effect marriage & future... if not same channel... haha... sorry for those virgin...
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u rght,but don b so dump..if we fina wmen nt virginity ,u wnt ka??imaging when u mrry this wmn,u will find some 1 hve sleep wth her..thy will b talk,i hve already tut tut wth ur wfe..hah..how ur feeling?? hmm.gif
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So, men prefer test before buy; to get men, women "train themselves up" to be skillful on bed. Eventually, the whole world focus on SEX, SEX, SEX SEX...

That's why people nowadays have no faith in love, and they have no hope in love. There is no more real love.

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Do you mean me? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 3 2009, 06:14 PM)
Yes, I will.
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I don't like you anymore.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 3 2009, 06:14 PM)
What's wrong with many men "tasting" her body?
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Nothing wrong. But putting Body-Tasting in the priority of a relationship, is not wise.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 3 2009, 06:14 PM)
Do you know that you have subjected yourself to a VERY patriarchial standard by saying you want to be a virgin wife? Because virginity is a value placed on women by men, because men are not very good when it comes to sharing. So if you think you have "liberated" yourself, think again wink.gif
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Do you know that this is not my statement, actually?
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QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 3 2009, 03:44 PM)
IMO whether or not a person prefers a virgin or non-virgin partner is really their own business.

But on the other hand, here is what I think :

I am a pre-twenty female and proud to say that I am still a virgin. In fact, all of my friends are still virgins.

The assumption that most females do not remain virgins over the age of 18 is pure bullcrap. It is true that many girls have lost their virginity during their school years but please do not take to it as 1 answer applies to all of us. I do not condemn pre marital sex but I beleive that a girl who lost her virginity before the age of 18 is merely because she wad with the wrong person. If a man really loves you as an equal, I strongly stick to the fact that no matter the circumstances he will wait. And the same applies to the other sex. As always, peer pressure and influence has a lot to do with the topic of our discussion.

Again, I am making this statement as an individual female. I do not represent the entire society.

Personally, I would like a virgin man to be my husband although I know how difficult it is to find one of that species  biggrin.gif I would prefer if my first did not have any previous experience so we can explore together  wub.gif but then again, shouldn't love conquer all.
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Yeah it depends on your social peers and family upbringing..... i'm a typical "overseas-exposed and english speaking" PJ dude but i'm still a virgin and am proud to say dat.. lollll

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if want to ask the girl 'are you a virgin gal' very hard to open mouth. if know the girl are not virgin will not continue to be with her? really hv to lucky to find virgin girl as wife or gf biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(accetera @ Dec 3 2009, 10:06 PM)
Yeah it depends on your social peers and family upbringing..... i'm a typical "overseas-exposed and english speaking" PJ dude but i'm still a virgin and am proud to say dat.. lollll
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Keep it up.
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You are indeed an extinct species I have seen so far in Low Yat, which is good.

Keep it up.
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You are indeed an extinct species I have seen so far in Low Yat, which is good.
Keep it up.
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wahh i didnt know i'm such rare..... smtimes i dont know whether is a good thing onot since other ppl are so sophisticated aka complicated these days.... worst still when i'm just starting a career thus really have little time these days to meet potential ones
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QUOTE(accetera @ Dec 3 2009, 11:51 PM)
wahh i didnt know i'm such rare..... smtimes i dont know whether is a good thing onot since other ppl are so sophisticated aka complicated these days.... worst still when i'm just starting a career thus really have little time these days to meet potential ones
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As long as you have stepped into working environment, chances will come to you very easily.
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I lost it to my Mrs Right & guess who is she? Her name called 'Right Hand'. Haha... So does it count?

Just a simple question for you girls n guys, y do you make love? To satisfy your body needs, mind, thought or any others?
Every action that we make comes from a thing that we all have, and what we call it, the <BRAIN>

Why do you start a relationship? R u lonely & need some1 for love? Or are u attracted by the person appearance or the personality? Whatever it is, it comes from your thought.

Confuse with it? Very simple, when u r hungry, what will you do? Eat & to satisfy your hunger right? But the matter on how & what you eat is control by u.

So, having sex b4 or after marriage is juz a matter on how we control our thought.

Most of the normal guy are horny. Juz simulate a situation like dis. If there were a pretty & sexy girl offer to hav sex with you, will you reject it?
In the opposite for the gurl, if there were a handsome & muscular guy offer you, will you?

Woman is different with man, most of the women need the inner feelings, emotion, romantic environment, etc.

But for most of the men, if there is a big boobs, hot sexy girl and giv them the 'hole', they will 'dig' it. rclxms.gif
laugh.gif No offence, what i'm said is most of them but not all. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Avion @ Nov 20 2009, 03:01 PM)
Wrong? Enlightened me. Some guys do not like marrying a virgin girl? That's kinda odd to me.
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That's nothing wrong.. sometimes i feel like, why should someone mind about something like this? Virginity or not, it shouldn't be a factor to define a person's character/personality as a whole. Obviously, you love your other half for everything he/she is.



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QUOTE(adam_man @ Dec 3 2009, 08:40 PM)
u rght,but don b so dump..if we fina wmen nt virginity ,u wnt ka??imaging when u mrry this wmn,u will find some 1 hve sleep wth her..thy will b talk,i hve already tut tut wth ur wfe..hah..how ur feeling?? hmm.gif
Who the f.uck cares what other people say about the woman you love!?

You'd love her less if someone said that to you? Seriously??


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so double standard.. majority of the guys have slept with other women b4 they are married, yet nobody gives much thought about it..

BUT when a woman has done it (regardless of how many times), it's as though she has just committed something horrendous that's beyond any point of return..?

Gimme a break.

I thought love should be more than just.. this.



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i dont really care much on it. as long as loyal then ok, fine .
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QUOTE(slushie @ Dec 3 2009, 02:14 PM)
so double standard.. majority of the guys have slept with other women b4 they are married, yet nobody gives much thought about it..

BUT when a woman has done it (regardless of how many times), it's as though she has just committed something horrendous that's beyond any point of return..?

Gimme a break.

I thought love should be more than just.. this.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 3 2009, 09:56 PM)
So, men prefer test before buy; to get men, women "train themselves up" to be skillful on bed. Eventually, the whole world focus on SEX, SEX, SEX SEX...

That has always been the case for thousands of years, it's just that in recent decades, society had begun to handle the situation very badly.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 3 2009, 09:56 PM)
That's why people nowadays have no faith in love, and they have no hope in love. There is no more real love.

Did you know that in Roman times, men think themselves to be sick or possessed by demons when they are "in love", hence the term "lovesick"? Seriously, what is "love"? It's never just about "love". In a relationship, it is always "love" + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever. Just "love" alone isn't enough to sustain a relationship.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 3 2009, 09:56 PM)
I don't like you anymore.

Cheh, you never did anyway tongue.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 3 2009, 09:56 PM)
Nothing wrong. But putting Body-Tasting in the priority of a relationship, is not wise.

No dear, it's the other way around. You are the one putting body tasting above the relationship. That is not an issue to me, hence I do not mind if other men had "tasted" her body before. In fact, I value her previous experience.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 3 2009, 09:56 PM)
Do you know that this is not my statement, actually?
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Doesn't matter, my point is that 'virginity' is standard of a male dominated society, placed onto women. That's why I chuckle on the inside when girls say "I want to save myself up for that special man" smile.gif

QUOTE(slushie @ Dec 4 2009, 02:14 AM)
so double standard.. majority of the guys have slept with other women b4 they are married, yet nobody gives much thought about it..

BUT when a woman has done it (regardless of how many times), it's as though she has just committed something horrendous that's beyond any point of return..?

Gimme a break.

I thought love should be more than just.. this.
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Like I said, men aren't very good when it comes to sharing, that's why they make such a big fuss about virginity. It's not so much of a double standard, but more like selfishness. It's the same thing when it comes to women, except that women are selfish about other things, and hence are more "territorial" about it, e.g. sharing the husband with his job.

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That has always been the case for thousands of years, it's just that in recent decades, society had begun to handle the situation very badly.
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So you are not looking for love which is more than body-tasting and personality and elements which are more valueble for you to consider about?

So you don't think a relationship concern about emotional intimacy is far more important than sexual compatibility? Or is it because you have had bad experience before thus you don't have faith in looking for one?

If I am a man, I will love my woman genuinely and I will guide her explore with her, I will enjoy sex with her throughout my life. Good sex has nothing to do about skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy, trust and loyalty will eventually take 2 persons for different sex positions.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 10:20 AM)
Did you know that in Roman times, men think themselves to be sick or possessed by demons when they are "in love", hence the term "lovesick"? Seriously, what is "love"? It's never just about "love". In a relationship, it is always "love" + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever. Just "love" alone isn't enough to sustain a relationship.
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Why do you want to follow Roman times' practice? Just because their concept suits you or? Don't you have your own perspective? Don't you want to improve yourselves to be a wiser man?

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 10:20 AM)
Cheh, you never did anyway tongue.gif
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 10:20 AM)
No dear, it's the other way around. You are the one putting body tasting above the relationship. That is not an issue to me, hence I do not mind if other men had "tasted" her body before. In fact, I value her previous experience.
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I do not mind my future husband isn't a virgin. But my view is that putting sex above love is not wise.

I just ask you a simple question: IF, one day your wife meets accident and she can no longer walk as usual. Thus she could no longer enjoy excitingi sex on bed as ever had. Are you going to tell me that you will divorce her? Will you? It's just an example please don't get offended.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 10:20 AM)
Doesn't matter, my point is that 'virginity' is standard of a male dominated society, placed onto women. That's why I chuckle on the inside when girls say "I want to save myself up for that special man" smile.gif
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 10:20 AM)
Like I said, men aren't very good when it comes to sharing, that's why they make such a big fuss about virginity. It's not so much of a double standard, but more like selfishness. It's the same thing when it comes to women, except that women are selfish about other things, and hence are more "territorial" about it, e.g. sharing the husband with his job.
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e.g. sharing the husband with his job.---> I'm sorry, I'm afraid you got to slap your own face. Since you are following Roman times' old custome culture, therefore men should go out and work and feed the family, be the sole provider and women stay at home and do housework and take care of children.

So, there shouldn't be any women that sharing the husband with his job in these modern days.
So, women should not be selfish in your eyes, am I right?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
So you are not looking for love which is more than body-tasting and personality and elements which are more valueble for you to consider about?

So you don't think a relationship concern about emotional intimacy is far more important than sexual compatibility? Or is it because you have had bad experience before thus you don't have faith in looking for one?

If I am a man, I will love my woman genuinely and I will guide her explore with her, I will enjoy sex with her throughout my life. Good sex has nothing to do about skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy, trust and loyalty will eventually take 2 persons for different sex positions.

Good sex has EVERYTHING to do with skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy means nothing if the penis keeps going into the wrong orifice, or if the guy constantly has premature ejaculation, or if a vagina smells like a decomposing fish.

And it is because I've had GOOD experience in love and sex that I completely ignore this tiny detail called "virginity". Well, you can look up on just how many relationships are stressed due to poor sex. It's not something that can be learnt if you have a sucky teacher (pun intended).

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
Why do you want to follow Roman times' practice? Just because their concept suits you or? Don't you have your own perspective? Don't you want to improve yourselves to be a wiser man?

I'm not following Roman time's practice. I'm telling you that the modern concept of "love" is a very alien thing, even to modern people. So imagine what "love" was like in ancient times. Some nations even went to war over "love" for a woman.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
Or is it you have never made me to like you?

I don't make people like me. I present myself as I am, if people don't like me the way I am then too bad for them (not for me).

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
I do not mind my future husband isn't a virgin. But my view is that putting sex above love is not wise.

It's really strange, even though you keep saying you don't put sex above love, you keep emphasizing chastity over love. Why is that?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
I just ask you a simple question: IF, one day your wife meets accident and she can no longer walk as usual. Thus she could no longer enjoy excitingi sex on bed as ever had. Are you going to tell me that you will divorce her? Will you? It's just an example please don't get offended.

I'm not offended at all. In fact, I'm glad you asked me that question, because I will tell you specifically what I expect when it comes to sex in my marriage.

Regardless of whether or not my wife meets an accident, she will NOT be the last woman I have sex with. Nor do I expect that I will be the last man she has sex with. And if my wife is someone who does not enjoy sex, I would not have married her in the first place.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
But it matters to me  smile.gif

Because you've been socialized into such a thinking.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 12:10 PM)
e.g. sharing the husband with his job.---> I'm sorry, I'm afraid you got to slap your own face. Since you are following Roman times' old custome culture, therefore men should go out and work and feed the family, be the sole provider and women stay at home and do housework and take care of children.

So, there shouldn't be any women that sharing the husband with his job in these modern days.
So, women should not be selfish in your eyes, am I right?
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Well the water I was drinking almost came out through my nose as I read what you've written. Would you like me to post statistics of how many wives divorced their husbands because they (the husbands) are not spending enough time with the family? Or how many women have an affair because their husbands are not paying enough attention to them? Well... you don't have to listen to me, just read about it. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, we haven't even gone into how the wife controls the husband on how he spends HIS money.

Seriously, you should stop make assumption on my stand, and then extrapolating on that erroneous view just because of an example I gave, and then telling me to slap my face.


edit: I know that there will be girls who are just too lazy to click on a link and read the article, so I'll just paste some quotes here.

Simply stated, women leave men when they are neglected. Neglect accounts for almost all of the reasons women leave and divorce men.

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What frustrates wives most is that they are relegated to only one room in their husbands' imaginary house instead of every room. In other words, they want to be integrated into a man's entire life, not relegated to one corner.


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debbieyss - if you are still a virgin, how would you know that "good sex has nothing to do about skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy, trust and loyalty will eventually take 2 persons for different sex positions." ???

Seriously, if you have no experience in the ways of sex then please dont make this kind of comment.

On the other hand, if you AREN'T a virgin then you are a bloody hypocrite.

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debbieyss - if you are still a virgin, how would you know that "good sex has nothing to do about skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy, trust and loyalty will eventually take 2 persons for different sex positions." ???

Seriously, if you have no experience in the ways of sex then please dont make this kind of comment.

On the other hand, if you AREN'T a virgin then you are a bloody hypocrite.
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I have to agree with lowyatter there. I'm still a virgin, but I know technique and positions play a vital role in sex. The emotional stuff is just there to heighten the experience coz you are doing it with the person you love. Not a one night-stand. Different hormones are released with different types of partners. Read it somewhere, can't find the link tho. So you are welcome to disregard that sentence if you wish.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
I'm not following Roman time's practice. I'm telling you that the modern concept of "love" is a very alien thing, even to modern people. So imagine what "love" was like in ancient times. Some nations even went to war over "love" for a woman.
Well, that statement requires a bit of explaining. People are often very incredulous when I say that there is no war in the history of mankind that wasn't started because of power - whether in the form of money, or land, or natural resources, or political influence, or property. Any war you care to mention.

The most famous example of a war that broke out because of a woman is, of course, the Trojan War. But it certainly wasn't because of love - it was because the woman in question, and all women at the time, were considered property. Menelaus didn't go to war because he loved Helen and wanted to rescue her - he went to war because Paris stole something that he owned.

And that's where this whole virginity nonsense got started. It comes from a time when women were bought and sold, and virginity was merely an excuse to hike up the price.


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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Dec 4 2009, 03:26 PM)
debbieyss - if you are still a virgin, how would you know that "good sex has nothing to do about skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy, trust and loyalty will eventually take 2 persons for different sex positions." ???

Seriously, if you have no experience in the ways of sex then please dont make this kind of comment.

On the other hand, if you AREN'T a virgin then you are a bloody hypocrite.
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Skill, position or gestures can be learnt and explore, from books or porns movies.
Pre-ejaculation can be healed.

But you don't divorce her or dump her just because she is inexperienced in sex skills. If you put sex skills and things like this as priority and doesn't mind if you do love her or she loves you, that's no difference if you marry a prostitute.
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Is that what teenagers are calling themselves these days? Pre-twenties?
Do you know that you have subjected yourself to a VERY patriarchial standard by saying you want to be a virgin wife? Because virginity is a value placed on women by men, because men are not very good when it comes to sharing. So if you think you have "liberated" yourself, think again wink.gif
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a) No, teenagers still call themselves teenagers. I am just pre-twenty.

b) Virginity is something that is sacred to a woman. The value of virginity was placed by the society onto a woman and unfortunately, in the past
society was made out of men. What makes you think that as a woman, we do not place labels on each other regarding the virginity issue?

c) Patriarchy is something that has always and will always be present in a household/society/whatever because men have egos to live up to. Because I
want to be a virgin wife, it does not mean I am submitting myself to a patriarchial standard. I respect myself and my body enough to save it for my
future husband.

d) Never in any part of my statement, did I mention that I was a liberalist. In fact, I cannot be less of one. I am a feminist, I am very interested in
feminism and I even did a paper on feminism last year for my college paper. Please do not assume me to be a liberalist.

Thank you very much.

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d) Never in any part of my statement, did I mention that I was a liberalist. In fact, I cannot be less of one. I am a feminist, I am very interested in
    feminism and I even did a paper on feminism last year for my college paper. Please do not assume me to be a liberalist.
laugh.gif I have no idea what you mean by "liberalist". But I can assure you, there is no place in the world where feminism does not belong in the liberal school of thought.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 4 2009, 04:11 PM)
a) No, teenagers still call themselves teenagers. I am just pre-twenty.
Or do you just like to make up your own words? laugh.gif


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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
Good sex has EVERYTHING to do with skills, positions and gestures. Emotional intimacy means nothing if the penis keeps going into the wrong orifice, or if the guy constantly has premature ejaculation, or if a vagina smells like a decomposing fish.
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I replied this statement as which replied to lowyatter.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
And it is because I've had GOOD experience in love and sex that I completely ignore this tiny detail called "virginity". Well, you can look up on just how many relationships are stressed due to poor sex. It's not something that can be learnt if you have a sucky teacher (pun intended).
I'm not following Roman time's practice. I'm telling you that the modern concept of "love" is a very alien thing, even to modern people. So imagine what "love" was like in ancient times. Some nations even went to war over "love" for a woman.
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And I have never said virginity is everything in a relationship.

I thought we are now talking about "Putting sex above love" issues?

There are many men went to war for their families, not over women to satisfiy their sexual needs.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
I don't make people like me. I present myself as I am, if people don't like me the way I am then too bad for them (not for me).
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Why is it too bad for me?

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
It's really strange, even though you keep saying you don't put sex above love, you keep emphasizing chastity over love. Why is that?
I'm not offended at all. In fact, I'm glad you asked me that question, because I will tell you specifically what I expect when it comes to sex in my marriage.

Regardless of whether or not my wife meets an accident, she will NOT be the last woman I have sex with. Nor do I expect that I will be the last man she has sex with. And if my wife is someone who does not enjoy sex, I would not have married her in the first place.
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Honestly, this is the first time I heard from a mouth of man that his wife will NOT be the last woman to have sex with. Something new to me.

Perhaps love is not important to you, or you have other ways to gain love than from a human.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
Because you've been socialized into such a thinking.
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I just don't understand why is that a simple word of "sorry" will be neglected over a mistake in quoting the wrong person's statement.

But it's ok.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
Well the water I was drinking almost came out through my nose as I read what you've written. Would you like me to post statistics of how many wives divorced their husbands because they (the husbands) are not spending enough time with the family? Or how many women have an affair because their husbands are not paying enough attention to them? Well... you don't have to listen to me, just read about it. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, we haven't even gone into how the wife controls the husband on how he spends HIS money.
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I have read through the website you shared. I haven't found the sentence shows that "husband are busy with their works and neglected women; women have never shared the burden and they are selfish."

The website also shows this statements:
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If men consider their wives feelings in each decision they make, asking their wives when there is any uncertainty, they create a compatible lifestyle. The Policy of Joint Agreement helps create understanding, emotional bonding, intimacy and romantic love in marriage. Men that learn to take their wives feelings into account meet their most important emotional needs. They also learn to overcome the selfish habits that make their wives so unhappy, because these habits do not meet the standard of mutual agreement. Over time, they experience what every couple hopes to create in marriage: A loving and compatible relationship.


So I believe the solution is something which civiliased in the modern days and Roman days didn't apply it, right? In that case, which theory are you trying to side? Roman's one or modern's one?

And I do find the policy has a equally stands for both men and women, which I have agreed with.

Secondly, husbands neglected their women due to burden of work has nothing to do with good sex skills of their wives, right?

I'm confused with your points now.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
Seriously, you should stop make assumption on my stand, and then extrapolating on that erroneous view just because of an example I gave, and then telling me to slap my face.
edit: I know that there will be girls who are just too lazy to click on a link and read the article, so I'll just paste some quotes here.

Simply stated, women leave men when they are neglected. Neglect accounts for almost all of the reasons women leave and divorce men.

.......

What frustrates wives most is that they are relegated to only one room in their husbands' imaginary house instead of every room. In other words, they want to be integrated into a man's entire life, not relegated to one corner.

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Again, this has nothing to do with your initial point, which is SEX is important in a relationship and love comes later.

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laugh.gif  I have no idea what you mean by "liberalist". But I can assure you, there is no place in the world where feminism does not belong in the liberal school of thought.
Or do you just like to make up your own words?  laugh.gif
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A liberalist is someone who embrace the liberal the liberal school of thought?

But there are liberal feminism, black feminism, radical feminism, socialist and Marxist feminism. Although the two may be intertwined in some way, it is still 2 very different things. Liberalism is the belief of individual freedom - be it male or female. Feminism is used to describe the rights and legal protection for all women, including the political and social movements to achieve gender equality.

No, I did not make up my own word. pre is a prefix, and twenty is a number? no words made up here laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 4 2009, 04:31 PM)
Liberalism is the belief of individual freedom - be it male or female. Feminism is used to describe the rights and legal protection for all women, including the political and social movements to achieve gender equality.
If you don't see how the two are intertwined - if you can honestly call yourself a feminist but not a liberalist - I really have to doubt the quality of your college paper.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 4 2009, 04:31 PM)
No, I did not make up my own word. pre is a prefix, and twenty is a number? no words made up here  laugh.gif
Is there anyone else in your world who uses that term to refer to people below the age of 20? I honestly doubt it - so, again, you made it up. biggrin.gif


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If you don't see how the two are intertwined - if you can honestly call yourself a feminist but not a liberalist - I really have to doubt the quality of your college paper.


Please re-read. Oh, nvm here it is

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But there are liberal feminism, black feminism, radical feminism, socialist and Marxist feminism. Although the two may be intertwined in some way, it is still 2 very different things. Liberalism is the belief of individual freedom - be it male or female. Feminism is used to describe the rights and legal protection for all women, including the political and social movements to achieve gender equality.


I don't see how the quality of my paper is any of your matter? I merely stated that I am very interested in feminism, so interested that I wrote a paper about it in college. But if you really want to know, I was very satisfied with my grade.

QUOTE(n00b13 @ Dec 4 2009, 04:38 PM)
Is there anyone else in your world who uses that term to refer to people below the age of 20? I honestly doubt it - so, again, you made it up.  biggrin.gif
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Sure there are, my friends and I do.

You don't like it? is ok.

never heard it being used before? is ok.

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Dec 4 2009, 03:37 PM)
Well, that statement requires a bit of explaining. People are often very incredulous when I say that there is no war in the history of mankind that wasn't started because of power - whether in the form of money, or land, or natural resources, or political influence, or property. Any war you care to mention.
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Yes, there's the Trojan War. Maybe Menalaus didn't go to war over Helen, but Paris (and Hector) sure as hell did. Cleopatra went to war because of Caesar, and Arthur and Lancelot became bitter enemies over Geneviere (spelling?) tongue.gif

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 4 2009, 04:11 PM)
a) No, teenagers still call themselves teenagers. I am just pre-twenty.

So what does that mean?

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 4 2009, 04:11 PM)
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d) Never in any part of my statement, did I mention that I was a liberalist. In fact, I cannot be less of one. I am a feminist, I am very interested in
    feminism and I even did a paper on feminism last year for my college paper. Please do not assume me to be a liberalist.

Thank you very much.
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I'm saying you're mistaken if you think you're liberated by holding on to your chastity, based on your statements that men should love women as equals and you're speaking out as an individual. And now, you said you're a feminist, which is worse.

Plus what n00bi3 said. LOL.

Btw, I respect your decision to be chaste, I really do. I'm just saying that it doesn't quite jive when a modern liberal woman say "I want to be a virgin because my virginity is special, and if you give it to a man other than the one you marry, you're ruined". It's like ice that doesn't float.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
I replied this statement as which replied to lowyatter.

I find your reply hilarious because women always complain that their men want porn sex, thus negating helpful learning from porn. Btw, I'm not saying pre-mature ejaculation cannot be "cured", I'm saying that it's a huge dampener in one's sex life, regardless of the emotional high.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
And I have never said virginity is everything in a relationship.

I thought we are now talking about "Putting sex above love" issues?
Yes, you did say virginity should be reserved for "that special someone whom you will spend the rest of your life with", hence you are putting sex above love.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
There are many men went to war for their families, not over women to satisfiy their sexual needs.

Huh?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
Why is it too bad for me?

I didn't say it is too bad for you per se. I'm saying it's too bad for people who are shallow enough to disllike me because I don't share the same worldview as them.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
Honestly, this is the first time I heard from a mouth of man that his wife will NOT be the last woman to have sex with. Something new to me.

I thought in the previous page you just said you heard it from someone but don't recall who.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
Perhaps love is not important to you, or you have other ways to gain love than from a human.

No, I'm saying BOTH sex and love is important. What I also said is that virginity is NOT important. Something that for some reason people keep getting confused about.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
I just don't understand why is that a simple word of "sorry" will be neglected over a mistake in quoting the wrong person's statement.

But it's ok.
I have read through the website you shared. I haven't found the sentence shows that "husband are busy with their works and neglected women; women have never shared the burden and they are selfish."

The website also shows this statements:
So I believe the solution is something which civiliased in the modern days and Roman days didn't apply it, right? In that case, which theory are you trying to side? Roman's one or modern's one?

And I do find the policy has a equally stands for both men and women, which I have agreed with.
Ugh... that's the problem when it comes to discussing issue with people who seem to want to beat on the same horse when another one has been offered. I told you (and I'm telling you again) that "love" is a very confusing emotion in the past, as far as back Roman times, and then somehow you become fixated with your assumption that I subscribe to Roman values, ignoring that I also said that the modern concept of "love" is still very confusing.

As for the article, I am pointing out to you that women are selfish for very different reasons than men. And for the quote you have chosen, of all the quotes you can choose, you chose the one that implies that men should compromise to women in the relationship (meaning he has to put her in every room). Why the fudge can't she just live with the fact that she's only 1 room? I.e. women are selfish that way.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 04:23 PM)
Secondly, husbands neglected their women due to burden of work has nothing to do with good sex skills of their wives, right?

I'm confused with your points now.
Again, this has nothing to do with your initial point, which is SEX is important in a relationship and love comes later.
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My point is that virginity is not important, and that it is a commodity pushed by selfish men in a patriarchial society. I ALSO added the point that women are equally selfish, but on other aspects on the relationship, and I provided an example, to which you have proven me correct (see previous paragraph).

Now, what part DON'T you understand?

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I find your reply hilarious because women always complain that their men want porn sex, thus negating helpful learning from porn. Btw, I'm not saying pre-mature ejaculation cannot be "cured", I'm saying that it's a huge dampener in one's sex life, regardless of the emotional high.
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And so I stated that sex skills can be refered from books and porn movies and other helpful education materials. I have never complained that men want porn sex did i?

Who on earth doesn't want a blissful sex life? No one wants to have pre-ejaculation right? If a man has this problem, he is because inexperienced in sex and he is panic while having his first time for sex. Which if you love him you will accompany him, comfort him and support him to seek for a doctor. What's the big deal that you want to dump him? Seriously do you really know how to care a person?

I haven't seen your compromisation in a relationship and therefore I pointed out.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
Yes, you did say virginity should be reserved for "that special someone whom you will spend the rest of your life with", hence you are putting sex above love.
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No. It's because I want to make sure if both are truly loving each other before sex coming in and therefore love comes first.
Can't make love with someone when love is not there.
If I put sex first, I would have made love with him first on the first day we become a couple, if sexually click, then only build up the relationship. But I don't.
Therefore, I'm still holding my stance strong: Love comes first.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
Huh?
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Huh?
You don't know the history of China?
You don't know history?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
I didn't say it is too bad for you per se. I'm saying it's too bad for people who are shallow enough to disllike me because I don't share the same worldview as them.
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So you want to say that I'm shallow? Why don't you just tell me directly "You are very shallow, Debbie",instead of implying this way? I don't mind at all. wink.gif

I pointed out the issues just because I'm thinking as thoughtful and considerate as I can. I don't agree doesn't mean I don't accept, right? And I thought someone ever said if everyone agrees with everyone, that's no fun at all to comment at a forum? wink.gif

Seriously, I have met many sorts of perspectives of life, which I have never come across. Good thing is this broaden the way I think; sad thing is there are many "abnormal" perspectives.

But Spanker, letting yourselves or your wife to commit adultery is your own perspective, in this case marriage means nothing to you anymore. There is no commitments. There is no love. Love is compromise, you are not compromising.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
I thought in the previous page you just said you heard it from someone but don't recall who.
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Oooh... the one I'm talking about is Lowyatter. But he is talking about sexual compatibility is important as he would dump the gal if she isn't sexual compatible to him.

Lowyatter hasn't mentioned that his wife will NOT be the last woman he has sex with. So, this perspective, is the first time I have heard of, which is from you.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
No, I'm saying BOTH sex and love is important. What I also said is that virginity is NOT important. Something that for some reason people keep getting confused about.
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If you are saying BOTH sex and love is important, you wouldn't have dumped the gal if her virginia has problem, and you won't be saying you will dump a gal if she isn't sexual compaitble to you, right? You will support her to see a doctor and get it cured, you will be there to overcome the downs with her if you really love her.

Apparently, you don't love a person.

That's why i said your statements and stance are confusing.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
Ugh... that's the problem when it comes to discussing issue with people who seem to want to beat on the same horse when another one has been offered. I told you (and I'm telling you again) that "love" is a very confusing emotion in the past, as far as back Roman times, and then somehow you become fixated with your assumption that I subscribe to Roman values, ignoring that I also said that the modern concept of "love" is still very confusing.

As for the article, I am pointing out to you that women are selfish for very different reasons than men. And for the quote you have chosen, of all the quotes you can choose, you chose the one that implies that men should compromise to women in the relationship (meaning he has to put her in every room). Why the fudge can't she just live with the fact that she's only 1 room? I.e. women are selfish that way.
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If that woman has enough love and care from the man, I don't see the woman is not giving private spaces and freedom to the man. Woman has always be the most tolerant species than man.

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No offence but I can see alot of "male egoism" here haha.

Generally when it comes to love, sex, relationship issues, Guys don't share the same view as the Ladies due to their different roles in society (in this context: Malaysian culture with some Western influences).

In my view, Guys must be dominant in most decision-making, but must utmost love, share and treat their another half with fullest respect, trust and understanding, and equilibrum in personal liberty and status quo. On the other hand, the wives should never be selfish and feminist towards their another half.

The fact is that the time like our forefathers when men can dominate ALL of women are long GONE. The women today have equal rights, equal achievements, and rights to choose love over virginity. Guys shouldn't feel "insecure" when the ladies are not giving themselves up.

I wouldn't agree on discriminating my wife just becoz she dont give me sex for me being her husband. At the same time, I wouldnt agree that my wife be too selfish for herself and neglected her husband's sexuality. In fact like love, sex and virginity involve equal consent from two parties.

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Who the f.uck cares what other people say about the woman you love!?

You'd love her less if someone said that to you? Seriously??
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Is virginity important to you girls?
I maybe very open to my friends, but deep down inside, I am still waiting for the RIGHT one.
By that I meant marriage LOL blush.gif
How about you girls?  smile.gif
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What you means that you are open?Is it means whenever any of your friend need you for that then you will go for it?
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What you means that you are open?Is it means whenever any of your friend need you for that then you will go for it?
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that sound crazy dude.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
And so I stated that sex skills can be refered from books and porn movies and other helpful education materials. I have never complained that men want porn sex did i?

You're not qualified because you've never had sex.

http://blogs.smh.com.au/lifestyle/asksam/a..._hate_porn.html

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
Who on earth doesn't want a blissful sex life? No one wants to have pre-ejaculation right? If a man has this problem, he is because inexperienced in sex and he is panic while having his first time for sex. Which if you love him you will accompany him, comfort him and support him to seek for a doctor. What's the big deal that you want to dump him? Seriously do you really know how to care a person?

I haven't seen your compromisation in a relationship and therefore I pointed out.

Look look look... You don't seem to be getting the point here. You can take care of your husband if he becomes paraplegic or if he has cancer or something, but can you still have sex with him? That's the whole point, whether or not sexual arousal is possible in the presence of a handicap.

And your attempt at attacking me personally instead of my view is not help you prove your point.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
No. It's because I want to make sure if both are truly loving each other before sex coming in and therefore love comes first.
Can't make love with someone when love is not there.
If I put sex first, I would have made love with him first on the first day we become a couple, if sexually click, then only build up the relationship. But I don't.
Therefore, I'm still holding my stance strong: Love comes first.

In other words, you are withholding sex until you get love. That means sex is more important. I thought this should be a very clear illustration that doesn't require explanation.

Since this doesn't seem to be the case, let me help you clear up your confusion by giving you not one, but TWO different examples
i) You have Rm1000, you want to buy product X via mail order. Do you send your money first? Or do you wait for the product X to be sent to you first? Keep that answer in your head, then replace your money with "sex" and product X with "love". Now... which one is more important? And which method is more likely to get you product X?

Not happy with that example? Fine, I didn't expect you to be. Here's another one, which is a girls favorite:
ii) Your boyfriend and your dad is drowning in the sea. You're a certified lifeguard, but you can only manage to save one. Which one will you save? Given the choice you made (whether it be the dad or bf), it reflects how you prioritized what is more important. In other words, if you choose to sacrifice your dad/bf, that choice holds lesser importance than the one you choose to rescue.

If you are willing to lose love because you want to save sex, that means sex is more important than love. Ok, I know you're going to say "but this is different!", girls always say this when they can't defend their arguments, and I don't want to have to dissect it further, just take it as it is.


QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
Huh?
You don't know the history of China?
You don't know history?

Oh I'm sure China is full of love since they made billions of babies. You can tell by the awesome quality of very realistic tv dramas.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
So you want to say that I'm shallow? Why don't you just tell me directly "You are very shallow, Debbie",instead of implying this way? I don't mind at all.  wink.gif

I've only went out with you once, so I can't be making that judgement just yet.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
I pointed out the issues just because I'm thinking as thoughtful and considerate as I can. I don't agree doesn't mean I don't accept, right? And I thought someone ever said if everyone agrees with everyone, that's no fun at all to comment at a forum?  wink.gif

You're free to comment and to disagree with me, but keep in mind that you're the one using words like "adultery" and "slap your own face" and "I don't like you anymore", just because I disagree with you.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
Seriously, I have met many sorts of perspectives of life, which I have never come across. Good thing is this broaden the way I think; sad thing is there are many "abnormal" perspectives.

But Spanker, letting yourselves or your wife to commit adultery is your own perspective, in this case marriage means nothing to you anymore. There is no commitments. There is no love. Love is compromise, you are not compromising.

I've never said anything to the affect of "adultery", I've said something to the affect of polyamory though. What's the difference? One involves cheating, the other doesn't.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
Oooh... the one I'm talking about is Lowyatter. But he is talking about sexual compatibility is important as he would dump the gal if she isn't sexual compatible to him.

Lowyatter hasn't mentioned that his wife will NOT be the last woman he has sex with. So, this perspective, is the first time I have heard of, which is from you.

I've mentioned it before many times on Lowyat. This may be the first time you've read it, but it's not the first time I've said it.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
If you are saying BOTH sex and love is important, you wouldn't have dumped the gal if her virginia has problem, and you won't be saying you will dump a gal if she isn't sexual compaitble to you, right? You will support her to see a doctor and get it cured, you will be there to overcome the downs with her if you really love her.

Apparently, you don't love a person.

You're thinking sexual compatibility in the sense of medical complications. I'm talking sexual compatibility in the sense that I would like to do it on the balcony at least once, and if she's not up to it, then I'd have to decide if the same things turn us on.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
That's why i said your statements and stance are confusing.

It's very clear actually, you're just trying to fit it into your limited understanding on the subject matter.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 4 2009, 06:47 PM)
If that woman has enough love and care from the man, I don't see the woman is not giving private spaces and freedom to the man. Woman has always be the most tolerant species than man.
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You know, there's so many ways that this statement is wrong. If women are more tolerant, why are 90% of divorce cases filed by women?

QUOTE(accetera @ Dec 4 2009, 07:19 PM)
The fact is that the time like our forefathers when men can dominate ALL of women are long GONE. The women today have equal rights, equal achievements, and rights to choose love over virginity. Guys shouldn't feel "insecure" when the ladies are not giving themselves up.

I wouldn't agree on discriminating my wife just becoz she dont give me sex for me being her husband. At the same time, I wouldnt agree that my wife be too selfish for herself and neglected her husband's sexuality. In fact like love, sex and virginity involve equal consent from two parties.
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Urgh... we're not talking about sex and love here, we're talking about virginity and pre-marital sex. And based on your ramblings about equality and "equal rights", I am pointing out that equality doesn't go with virginity, because virginity is a value placed onto women by men. It is inherently unequal.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
You're not qualified because you've never had sex.

http://blogs.smh.com.au/lifestyle/asksam/a..._hate_porn.html
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Should I have to tell you when and where have I had sex?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
Look look look... You don't seem to be getting the point here. You can take care of your husband if he becomes paraplegic or if he has cancer or something, but can you still have sex with him? That's the whole point, whether or not sexual arousal is possible in the presence of a handicap.

And your attempt at attacking me personally instead of my view is not help you prove your point.
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I'm not like you.

I only know no matter how he is, I will be there for him be it he are able to make love with me or not. This is a commitment of a marriage, it's of 2 persons' commitment, there is no longer individual lusts, it's for both to overcome.

I will not leave him or divorce him just because he can't make love with me.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
In other words, you are withholding sex until you get love. That means sex is more important. I thought this should be a very clear illustration that doesn't require explanation.
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No.

As I said, if I put sex more important than love, I would want to test his sex skill first before I build up the relationship with him.

But I DON'T.

And you, though you claim "love + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever" and sex is equally important as love, and you also claim that you will dump a gal you love but sexually not compatible. So are you still telling me that sex and love is equally important to you?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
Since this doesn't seem to be the case, let me help you clear up your confusion by giving you not one, but TWO different examples
i)  You have Rm1000, you want to buy product X via mail order. Do you send your money first? Or do you wait for the product X to be sent to you first? Keep that answer in your head, then replace your money with "sex" and product X with "love". Now... which one is more important? And which method is more likely to get you product X?

Not happy with that example? Fine, I didn't expect you to be. Here's another one, which is a girls favorite:
ii) Your boyfriend and your dad is drowning in the sea. You're a certified lifeguard, but you can only manage to save one. Which one will you save? Given the choice you made (whether it be the dad or bf), it reflects how you prioritized what is more important. In other words, if you choose to sacrifice your dad/bf, that choice holds lesser importance than the one you choose to rescue.

If you are willing to lose love because you want to save sex, that means sex is more important than love. Ok, I know you're going to say "but this is different!", girls always say this when they can't defend their arguments, and I don't want to have to dissect it further, just take it as it is.
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i) It's not that I'm not happy with your first example. Both doesn't go align with Love and Sex.

ii) Willing to lose love because want to save sex? Why should I save sex from him if I truly love him? I want to make love with him if I love him. You get it?

IF I can't defend, I will tell you frankly that I fail and I won't be replying here anymore. So, no worry and don't waste time to put assumption on my decision. I am an ordinary people who have pride in me, but I am humble enough to know what to do if I lose or win a game. wink.gif


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
I've only went out with you once, so I can't be making that judgement just yet.
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But your words are implying it.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
You're free to comment and to disagree with me, but keep in mind that you're the one using words like "adultery" and "slap your own face" and "I don't like you anymore", just because I disagree with you.
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Adultery = A marriage man/woman has sex with person other than his/her official spouse. I'm using the right word. If you think this would be a word I've used that hurt so much to you, kindly advice which word should I replace with "adultery".

Slap Your Own Face = I said this cos at first you're following Roman's practise but after that you put up modern days' practise.

I don't like you anymore = I thought you are taking this as a pest?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
I've mentioned it before many times on Lowyat. This may be the first time you've read it, but it's not the first time I've said it.
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I have seen you said it many times in Low Yat, but this is the first time i bring up discussion with you. And yeah, this is the first time I've heard of, which is from you.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
You're thinking sexual compatibility in the sense of medical complications. I'm talking sexual compatibility in the sense that I would like to do it on the balcony at least once, and if she's not up to it, then I'd have to decide if the same things turn us on.
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Spanker, no one would ever want to see his/her loved one having intimacy with others, if you really know what does love mean.

Yes, loving someone should give him/her freedom to do what he/she likes, but this is not the point to save the marriage. Relationship is a life long journey. You can't always go to other party whenever you are satisfy with what she can't provide, right?

To do what we want, that's so much easy, but to take care of another half's feeling, we have to often sacrifice our own preference, time and options, that is something call sacrifise and compromise. When 2 are in a commitment, or in marriage, there's no longer one can freely go for things according to his/her own preference; it's both to work things out.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
It's very clear actually, you're just trying to fit it into your limited understanding on the subject matter.
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I'm not trying to limiting myself into my own perspective. If it is, I won't be wasting mytime and discuss with you here.

And I've been patience enough to know your perspective.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:33 AM)
You know, there's so many ways that this statement is wrong. If women are more tolerant, why are 90% of divorce cases filed by women?
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And you should know it's because women being too tolerant, men take it for granted so some women suggest for a divorce.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
Should I have to tell you when and where have I had sex?

No, you've made it very clear you've never had sex. And even if you had, I don't think you've learned anything from it. No offense.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
I'm not like you.

I only know no matter how he is, I will be there for him be it he are able to make love with me or not. This is a commitment of a marriage, it's of 2 persons' commitment, there is no longer individual lusts, it's for both to overcome.

I will not leave him or divorce him just because he can't make love with me.

No.

As I said, if I put sex more important than love, I would want to test his sex skill first before I build up the relationship with him.

But I DON'T.

And you, though you claim "love + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever" and sex is equally important as love, and you also claim that you will dump a gal you love but sexually not compatible. So are you still telling me that sex and love is equally important to you?
i) It's not that I'm not happy with your first example. Both doesn't go align with Love and Sex.

ii) Willing to lose love because want to save sex? Why should I save sex from him if I truly love him? I want to make love with him if I love him. You get it?

IF I can't defend, I will tell you frankly that I fail and I won't be replying here anymore. So, no worry and don't waste time to put assumption on my decision. I am an ordinary people who have pride in me, but I am humble enough to know what to do if I lose or win a game.  wink.gif

Hmm... maybe I haven't been extreme enough with my examples.

How about this: Your husband is impotent, but you only found out after marriage.
Or this: Your husband got AIDS from a visiting a dentist, now... will you still have sex with him?

If you still choose "love over sex" (in which these examples are much more accurate than withholding sex until after marriage), then it just means you are contended with a sexless marriage. I, on the other hand, am not. I hope I don't have to go through this explanation again.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
But your words are implying it.

You're the one who are saying those words, not me. You said "I don't like you anymore". I have never said anything to that affect whatsoever. Please get this straight before you accuse people, you have a tendency to do that.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
Adultery = A marriage man/woman has sex with person other than his/her official spouse. I'm using the right word. If you think this would be a word I've used that hurt so much to you, kindly advice which word should I replace with "adultery".

No, you're NOT using the right word. I already told you adultery involves cheating, polyamory doesn't. I'm not advocating adultery. Learn to tell the difference please.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
Slap Your Own Face = I said this cos at first you're following Roman's practise but after that you put up modern days' practise.

You assumed I advocate Roman sexuality, when I am in fact explaining that in the past advanced people like the Romans have problems coming to terms with the emotion we now call "love". (see above regarding my comment about you making assumptions)

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
I don't like you anymore = I thought you are taking this as a pest?

What?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
Spanker, no one would ever want to see his/her loved one having intimacy with others, if you really know what does love mean.

If you TRULY put love above sex, what does it matter if your "loved one" is banging someone else? Love is more important! Now I think YOU are the one who doesn't know what love means.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
Yes, loving someone should give him/her freedom to do what he/she likes, but this is not the point to save the marriage. Relationship is a life long journey. You can't always go to other party whenever you are satisfy with what she can't provide, right?

To do what we want, that's so much easy, but to take care of another half's feeling, we have to often sacrifice our own preference, time and options, that is something call sacrifise and compromise. When 2 are in a commitment, or in marriage, there's no longer one can freely go for things according to his/her own preference; it's both to work things out.
I'm not trying to limiting myself into my own perspective. If it is, I won't be wasting mytime and discuss with you here.

And I've been patience enough to know your perspective.

It is because commitment is a life long journey, which is why I have to make sure I made the right decisions. Which is why I'm not going to marry someone who doesn't share the same view on love and sex as I do. That way, we don't have to disagree after marriage.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 09:20 AM)
And you should know it's because women being too tolerant, men take it for granted so some women suggest for a divorce.
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Ugh, I can't believe even after I posted articles about divorce, you're still in denial that women are not as tolerant as you claim them to be. Logically speaking if women were THAT tolerant, it would be men who files for divorce first. (and it'd be guys asking for breakups, but I think from the statistics in Cupid's Corner, you know that this is not the case)

http://www.psychpage.com/family/mod_couples_thx/divorce.html
"20-25% of mediation groups say an affair was a reason, but the reason given by 80% is deterioration of intimacy."

http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/WP20.html
...the most common reasons given by respondents for their marriage ending centred around the affective qualities of the relationship including communication problems (27 per cent) and incompatibility/drifting apart (21 per cent). Communication problems was the most commonly cited cause for both men (33 per cent) and women (23 per cent).

I personally love this quote from this article.
The rights of women in society have been pushed to such an extent that they now feel if they're not happy, it's their partner's fault.

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
No, you've made it very clear you've never had sex. And even if you had, I don't think you've learned anything from it. No offense.
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I learned something which is different from what you see.
At least I know what does respect and truthful is.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
Hmm... maybe I haven't been extreme enough with my examples.

How about this: Your husband is impotent, but you only found out after marriage.
Or this: Your husband got AIDS from a visiting a dentist, now... will you still have sex with him?

If you still choose "love over sex" (in which these examples are much more accurate than withholding sex until after marriage), then it just means you are contended with a sexless marriage. I, on the other hand, am not. I hope I don't have to go through this explanation again.
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Oh, so if I choose "love over sex", instead of saying my perspective is shallow, you are now saying "I'm contended with a sexless marriage"?

Yes, if I only found out that he is impotent after marriage, I will still be with him and I will support him to get all remedies possible.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
You're the one who are saying those words, not me. You said "I don't like you anymore". I have never said anything to that affect whatsoever. Please get this straight before you accuse people, you have a tendency to do that.
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Accuse? Alright. Now I know that I have accused you. wink.gif


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
No, you're NOT using the right word. I already told you adultery involves cheating, polyamory doesn't. I'm not advocating adultery. Learn to tell the difference please.
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If you are only concern about your own needs therefore you are suggesting polyamory as if your spouse couldn't satisfy your sexual needs. You have not even tried to search for solutions before suggesting this. And even if you want to put this into your marriage, you haven't even thought of your spouse's concern. Is this so called democratic?

Secondly, the beauty of marriage is for both to walk through the life till the last day of either one's life, be it whatever problems there may be. This is commitment. Human is always weak, we needs emotional supports when we fail and helpless. Marriage is which allows you to have a spouse to be always there for you. Polyamorny or Adultery aren't the wise way to compensate the emplty holes of a marriage.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
You assumed I advocate Roman sexuality, when I am in fact explaining that in the past advanced people like the Romans have problems coming to terms with the emotion we now call "love". (see above regarding my comment about you making assumptions)
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So, you are also trying to say people in the modern days now, could hardly define love. Am I right? And you said love + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever. And I said love comes first because I compromise no matter what circumstance the husband has, but you tend to say I choose sex over love and after so much of compromise that I could make, you claim that "I'm contended with a sexless marriage".


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
If you TRULY put love above sex, what does it matter if your "loved one" is banging someone else? Love is more important! Now I think YOU are the one who doesn't know what love means.
It is because commitment is a life long journey, which is why I have to make sure I made the right decisions. Which is why I'm not going to marry someone who doesn't share the same view on love and sex as I do. That way, we don't have to disagree after marriage.
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If he is banging someone else after marriage, I stand to have the right to go for divorce or not and if I divorce him, it's not because of SEX. It is about loyalty.

Spanker, you will never know if your decision is suitable forever. Time flies, people change. You know this person as how she is today, it doesn't mean her preference will stay the same 5 years later. 2 individuals have 2 different paths, aims in life and preference. Marriage is which knit both together for the life long journey, support, compromise, forgive and understand each other, no matter what kind of person he/she is going to change.

But, people nowadays enjoy the sweetness in a marriage and when comes to problems and conflicts, they claim that's the end of their relationship and they choose divorce.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 12:45 PM)
Ugh, I can't believe even after I posted articles about divorce, you're still in denial that women are not as tolerant as you claim them to be. Logically speaking if women were THAT tolerant, it would be men who files for divorce first. (and it'd be guys asking for breakups, but I think from the statistics in Cupid's Corner, you know that this is not the case)

http://www.psychpage.com/family/mod_couples_thx/divorce.html
"20-25% of mediation groups say an affair was a reason, but the reason given by 80% is deterioration of intimacy."

http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/WP20.html
...the most common reasons given by respondents for their marriage ending centred around the affective qualities of the relationship including communication problems (27 per cent) and incompatibility/drifting apart (21 per cent). Communication problems was the most commonly cited cause for both men (33 per cent) and women (23 per cent).

I personally love this quote from this article.
The rights of women in society have been pushed to such an extent that they now feel if they're not happy, it's their partner's fault.
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I couldn't accept what your comments because you only agree with the portion of the article and not the entire of it so when I said I agree with the policy, you said I'm a woman who is selfish like other women are.

I just don't understand if you are not likely to see others agree with the policy, shouldn't you not to share the article with others? And why are you sharing it just because the portion of the article which you agree with?

And in fact the initial motive you shared its weblink was to show me that women are selfish that they do not share the burden of a man has, which is his work that causing him so much burden till the man has no time for woman, and at the end woman has to call for a divorce and woman is blamed selfish.

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
I learned something which is different from what you see.
At least I know what does respect and truthful is.

Oh please spare me, if you never had sex, just say it. Don't dance around the issue like you do with all the rest.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
Oh, so if I choose "love over sex", instead of saying my perspective is shallow, you are now saying "I'm contended with a sexless marriage"?

Yes, if I only found out that he is impotent after marriage, I will still be with him and I will support him to get all remedies possible.

Is that not a fact? If you can't cure your husband of the AIDS or his impotence, are you not going to contend with a sexless marriage? Yes or no?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
If you are only concern about your own needs therefore you are suggesting polyamory as if your spouse couldn't satisfy your sexual needs. You have not even tried to search for solutions before suggesting this. And even if you want to put this into your marriage, you haven't even thought of your spouse's concern. Is this so called democratic?

Obviously, if a spouse can satisfy the other's sexual needs, there will not be a need for polyamory, will there? And I already said, if a woman can't deal with it, I'm not going to marry her. How is that not dealing with her concern?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
Secondly, the beauty of marriage is for both to walk through the life till the last day of either one's life, be it whatever problems there may be. This is commitment. Human is always weak, we needs emotional supports when we fail and helpless. Marriage is which allows you to have a spouse to be always there for you. Polyamorny or Adultery aren't the wise way to compensate the emplty holes of a marriage.

Neither is commitment. You may be truly committed to the relationship, but you choose to deny that 80% of failed marriages come from the lack of intimacy, NOT from the lack of commitment. That's why I said marriage is a package of love+sex+commitment+values+etc.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
So, you are also trying to say people in the modern days now, could hardly define love. Am I right? And you said love + money/sex/commitment/family/religion/whatever. And I said love comes first because I compromise no matter what circumstance the husband has, but you tend to say I choose sex over love and after so much of compromise that I could make, you claim that "I'm contended with a sexless marriage".
If he is banging someone else after marriage, I stand to have the right to go for divorce or not and if I divorce him, it's not because of SEX. It is about loyalty.

How is having sex with other women being disloyal to you? He could still love you, perhaps he just doesn't find you sexually appealing.

And lets get one thing straight, if I say you put sex above marriage because you will only have sex with a guy after marriage, you say I'm wrong. But now that I say you CAN'T sex with your husband because of reason xyz, and that you are content with a sexless marriage, albeit a "love filled" one, you still say I'm wrong. So which is it? Oh yes... there is one more perspective... unlike men, women are never wrong.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
Spanker, you will never know if your decision is suitable forever. Time flies, people change. You know this person as how she is today, it doesn't mean her preference will stay the same 5 years later. 2 individuals have 2 different paths, aims in life and preference. Marriage is which knit both together for the life long journey, support, compromise, forgive and understand each other, no matter what kind of person he/she is going to change.
But, people nowadays enjoy the sweetness in a marriage and when comes to problems and conflicts, they claim that's the end of their relationship and they choose divorce.
That's what YOU think. Marriage is just some religious dogmatig diatribe spewed forth by the church (initially) to condemn the practice of debauchery during Roman times. And in the modern day, it has become a vehicle to spur the economy and enslave men, wrapped around complex laws pertaining to domestic violence, child custody, child support and alimony. Ask around, and you will find that most men marry a woman for what she is (and possibly the sex), and women marry men for what they hope their husbands *might* be.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 01:45 PM)
I couldn't accept what your comments because you only agree with the portion of the article and not the entire of it so when I said I agree with the policy, you said I'm a woman who is selfish like other women are.

I just don't understand if you are not likely to see others agree with the policy, shouldn't you not to share the article with others? And why are you sharing it just because the portion of the article which you agree with?

And in fact the initial motive you shared its weblink was to show me that women are selfish that they do not share the burden of a man has, which is his work that causing him so much burden till the man has no time for woman, and at the end woman has to call for a divorce and woman is blamed selfish.
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Oh no, I agree with the entire portions of the articles. It is only YOU who do not agree with it, such as women are selfish because they can't share their husbands with their jobs, which the article clearly stated. And then you go forth and say "women are more tolerant than men", which made me LOL'ed, and then you say it is because women are too tolerant and that is why they file for divorce, which totally made me ROFLMAO.

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
Oh please spare me, if you never had sex, just say it. Don't dance around the issue like you do with all the rest.
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I have not claimed that I'm the best.
I'm still learning at this stage, learn how to see things better at different angle. That has nothing to do if I've already had sex before.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
Is that not a fact? If you can't cure your husband of the AIDS or his impotence, are you not going to contend with a sexless marriage? Yes or no?
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As I said, no matter what has happened, I will be with my husband.
I think this answer is suffixed enough.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
Obviously, if a spouse can satisfy the other's sexual needs, there will not be a need for polyamory, will there? And I already said, if a woman can't deal with it, I'm not going to marry her. How is that not dealing with her concern?
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This is your belief in how to handle a marriage. I have no comment. I have already clearly stated my stance, what does marriage mean to me.

It's you that put sex above all that asks for polyamorny. Tell me how on earth can you say you still love the woman when you ask her to deal with it, seeing you banging another woman. Tell me how on earth a colleague treat you nice when he himself taken all the praises which you deserve from the boss.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
Neither is commitment. You may be truly committed to the relationship, but you choose to deny that 80% of failed marriages come from the lack of intimacy, NOT from the lack of commitment. That's why I said marriage is a package of love+sex+commitment+values+etc.
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I deny marriage will fail due to lack of intimacy because there are couples that married without having sex.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
How is having sex with other women being disloyal to you? He could still love you, perhaps he just doesn't find you sexually appealing.

And lets get one thing straight, if I say you put sex above marriage because you will only have sex with a guy after marriage, you say I'm wrong. But now that I say you CAN'T sex with your husband because of reason xyz, you are content with a sexless marriage, albeit a "love filled" one, and you say I'm wrong. So which is it? Oh yes... there is one more perspective... unlike men, women are never wrong.
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If he doesn't find her sexually appealing, why on earth he wants to marry her and why is he after marrying her, he finds her sexually not appealing? And tell me, how long can sexuall appealing last, on a normal human body?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
That's what YOU think. Marriage is just some religious dogmatig diatribe spewed forth by the church (initially) to condemn the practice of debauchery during Roman times. And in the modern day, it has become a vehicle to spur the economy and enslave men, wrapped around complex laws pertaining to domestic violence, child custody, child support and alimony. Ask around, and you will find that most men marry a woman for what she is (and possibly the sex), and women marry men for what they hope their husbands *might* be.
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You haven't seen women working outside so hard while taking care of house works? At the end the husband have sex with other women.

You haven't seen these cases happen around you, eh?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)
Oh no, I agree with the entire portions of the articles. It is only YOU who do not agree with it, such as women are selfish because they can't share their husbands with their jobs, which the article clearly stated. And then you go forth and say "women are more tolerant than men", which made me LOL'ed, and then you say it is because women are too tolerant and that is why they file for divorce, which totally made me ROFLMAO.
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I agree with the entire artcile and I have never said husbands who work and leave their wives at home for about a week, is WRONG, did I?

I solely pointed out that I agreed with the policy and you claimed that I'm selfish.

You haven't seen how a wife treats her husband whole-heartedly. I have seen it and experienced it. But I'm still opening my minds here to accept more perspectives and comments. I'm just trying to understand more therefore I put up more questions and comments but it seems the more I ask, the more I being claimed a selfish woman.

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[QUOTE (spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 02:26 PM)]
That's what YOU think. Marriage is just some religious dogmatig diatribe spewed forth by the church (initially) to condemn the practice of debauchery during Roman times. And in the modern day, it has become a vehicle to spur the economy and enslave men, wrapped around complex laws pertaining to domestic violence, child custody, child support and alimony. Ask around, and you will find that most men marry a woman for what she is (and possibly the sex), and women marry men for what they hope their husbands *might* be.[/QUOTE]

Oh lord, thats a lot of male in that statement isn't there. doh.gif

you view marriage as [QUOTE] a vehicle to spur the economy and enslave men, wrapped around complex laws pertaining to domestic violence, child custody, child support and alimony.[/QUOTE]

This gives me the impression that you think men have the right to marry and leave. the laws were set for a reason and it is because woman do not have the same power as men when the man disintergrates a marriage. the woman cannot just get back up and re-start her career like the men even more so if she has a kid in tow.

see, these laws were set up to further cement the bond of marriage.

from all you previous comments, i respected you to have been able to stand up for your thoughts. but after reading this particular statement, i have to say you really are shallow in your thoughts about relationship whether or not sex is involved.

i'm unsubscribing. my inbox has been flooded with posts on this topic. shocking.gif
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Indeed they are. Get my respect for capable to debate such things... notworthy.gif ....
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Indeed they are. Get my respect for capable to debate such things... notworthy.gif ....
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Interesting that debbieyss still refuses to clearly state for the record whether she is a virgin or not.


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
I have not claimed that I'm the best.

This made no sense. Have you or have you not had sex? Do you find this question so hard to answer?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
I'm still learning at this stage, learn how to see things better at different angle. That has nothing to do if I've already had sex before.

Of course it does, you need to put the food in your mouth before you can say whether or not it actually tastes good.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
As I said, no matter what has happened, I will be with my husband.
I think this answer is suffixed enough.

In other words, you're content with a sexless marriage, so sex shouldn't be an issue if he does it with other women, but not with you.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
This is your belief in how to handle a marriage. I have no comment. I have already clearly stated my stance, what does marriage mean to me.

It's you that put sex above all that asks for polyamorny.

Tell me how on earth can you say you still love the woman when you ask her to deal with it, seeing you banging another woman. Tell me how on earth a colleague treat you nice when he himself taken all the praises which you deserve from the boss.
Have I not already clarified my stance about sex? Are you still confused? Why do you assume positions which I have not made? (heheheh, assume positions)

And the heck are you trying to say with that colleague/boss statement?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
I deny marriage will fail due to lack of intimacy because there are couples that married without having sex.

Sure, go ahead and take that chance. Here's a little something for your reading pleasure.

Are you living in a sexless marriage?
Do sexless marriages lead to divorce?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
If he doesn't find her sexually appealing, why on earth he wants to marry her and why is he after marrying her, he finds her sexually not appealing?

EXACTLY! How does he know she is sexually appealing if he doesn't have sex with her?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
And tell me, how long can sexuall appealing last, on a normal human body?

A few decades, at least.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
You haven't seen women working outside so hard while taking care of house works? At the end the husband have sex with other women.

You haven't seen these cases happen around you, eh?
What does it matter? Do you only see cases which fails? Also, have you considered that maybe it's because that woman is dog ugly, and she's just lays there like a piece of log during sex?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
I agree with the entire artcile and I have never said husbands who work and leave their wives at home for about a week, is WRONG, did I?

I solely pointed out that I agreed with the policy and you claimed that I'm selfish.

Can you point out at what point did I say you are selfish? And about what?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 02:53 PM)
You haven't seen how a wife treats her husband whole-heartedly. I have seen it and experienced it. But I'm still opening my minds here to accept more perspectives and comments. I'm just trying to understand more therefore I put up more questions and comments but it seems the more I ask, the more I being claimed a selfish woman.
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Again, please point out the exact sentence which I called you selfish.

And frankly, I find the statement where "a wife treats her husband whole-heartedly" quite patronizing, as if it's a one way street. I'd much rather have a woman who treats her husband the same way she would want to be treated.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 7 2009, 03:13 PM)
Oh lord, thats a lot of male in that statement isn't there.  doh.gif

you view marriage as

This gives me the impression that you think men have the right to marry and leave. the laws were set for a reason and it is because woman do not have the same power as men when the man disintergrates a marriage. the woman cannot just get back up and re-start her career like the men even more so if she has a kid in tow.

see, these laws were set up to further cement the bond of marriage.

from all you previous comments, i respected you to have been able to stand up for your thoughts. but after reading this particular statement, i have to say you really are shallow in your thoughts about relationship whether or not sex is involved.

So do you disagree that the laws surrounding marriage today heavily favors women? Yes or no?

By the way, please specify where do I advocate men having the right to just "marry and leave". And please provide some solid argument substantiating your claims that "women do not have the same power as men when the man disintegrates a marriage". Are you saying that if the husband has custody of the child, he will be the one at a disadvantage? Should women start giving child custody to men then?

I hope you realize that as you take on depth on this topic, you will find that feminism is nothing but a bunch of double talk.

QUOTE(ostangel @ Dec 7 2009, 03:13 PM)
i'm unsubscribing. my inbox has been flooded with posts on this topic.  shocking.gif
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Yes I'm sure that particular comment adds a lot to the discussion.


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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Dec 7 2009, 03:57 PM)
Interesting that debbieyss still refuses to clearly state for the record whether she is a virgin or not.
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That's probably because regardless of what answer she gives, her position will be undermined. So better to keep people guessing.

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I think during courtship and dating, some people really care about the whole virginity idea. Even I was trapped by the idea of it. However, now that Im married with a kid, I really think that this whole idea about virginity is really stupid. Some women really stucked to the idea of giving her virginity to their HB and I respect their stand. However, I dont think virginity is the bond to keep the relationship in place. As a matter of fact, I dont think marriage is either. On the other hand, I think these are just one of the few reason that guy always come up with whenever they are looking for way out of a relationship while trying to look they are letting it go reluctantly.

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I really dont think you two should hit out at each other. Are you guys husband and wife finding space to argue about your stand about sex life before/after marriage?

Each and every person is entitled to his/her own opinion regarding this virginity idea. As we know it, time flies and people change. They may or may not stick to their original idealogy and start a new path. Whatever it may be, I think we should respect one another.

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
This made no sense. Have you or have you not had sex? Do you find this question so hard to answer?
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You have already put all judgements on my answers: If I said I'm still a virgin, you will say I'm not qualified to comment on this; If i'm no longer a virgin, I'm a hypocrite.

So, is my answer still important to you?

But it's ok, I already no matter what answer i have, you will not understand what a woman wants in a marriage.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
Of course it does, you need to put the food in your mouth before you can say whether or not it actually tastes good.
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Be it he is sexually good or not, I will still love him.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
In other words, you're content with a sexless marriage, so sex shouldn't be an issue if he does it with other women, but not with you.
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I have never said I'm content with a sexless marriage, I'm just pointing out that love should above all and because of this, I'm willing to be there for him at all times so does he.

There is no sex outside marriage with other women which means he has been disloyal to me. If he loves me, he won't have sex with other woman. Don't you undersatnd this simple logical statement?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
Have I not already clarified my stance about sex? Are you still confused? Why do you assume positions which I have not made? (heheheh, assume positions)

And the heck are you trying to say with that colleague/boss statement?
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I'm not confused at all. I FULLY TOTALLY understand what you mean. Are you happy now?

I'm sorry if my posted have wasted you so much time.

But now I don't feel like want to understand those awful perspectives now. THanks for your time. I have accepted of your views but I can't accept it.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
Sure, go ahead and take that chance. Here's a little something for your reading pleasure.

Are you living in a sexless marriage?
Formula which predicts divorce 1 year in advance.
EXACTLY! How does he know she is sexually appealing if he doesn't have sex with her?
A few decades, at least.
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And again, what would you not dump a woman if she isn't personaly imcompatibble to you but sexual imcompatible you? Isn't it love = sex/money etc?


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
What does it matter? Do you only see cases which fails? Also, have you considered that maybe it's because that woman is dog ugly, and she's just lays there like a piece of log during sex?
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All along I only see you criticise on women who are not good in sex. You haven't proved me of your theory, which is Love = Sex

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
Can you point out at what point did I say you are selfish? And about what?
Again, please point out the exact sentence which I called you selfish.

And frankly, I find the statement where "a wife treats her husband whole-heartedly" quite patronizing, as if it's a one way street. I'd much rather have a woman who treats her husband the same way she would want to be treated.
So do you disagree that the laws surrounding marriage today heavily favors women? Yes or no?
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As below.

QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:03 PM)
By the way, please specify where do I advocate men having the right to just "marry and leave". And please provide some solid argument substantiating your claims that "women do not have the same power as men when the man disintegrates a marriage". Are you saying that if the husband has custody of the child, he will be the one at a disadvantage? Should women start giving child custody to men then?

I hope you realize that as you take on depth on this topic, you will find that feminism is nothing but a bunch of double talk.
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What he is trying to say is you will go to other women for sex even if you are married. You aren't making/aren't trying to think about solution, on how to solve the problems. You just go for other women for solutions of your own needs.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 4 2009, 05:07 PM)
As for the article, I am pointing out to you that women are selfish for very different reasons than men. And for the quote you have chosen, of all the quotes you can choose, you chose the one that implies that men should compromise to women in the relationship (meaning he has to put her in every room). Why the fudge can't she just live with the fact that she's only 1 room? I.e. women are selfish that way.
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As I have agreed on the policy, you claimed that I'm selfish that way.


QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 7 2009, 04:09 PM)
That's probably because regardless of what answer she gives, her position will be undermined. So better to keep people guessing.
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My positioin will not be undermined. I'm surprised to know so much about the perspectives of Sex, from a man like you.

By the way, the weblink you shared: http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/isdivor...essmarriage.htm stated much solutions which suggested to couples. And I do agree on this, love is above all, you go through the downs with your spouse and love knits both to find solutions to solve the problems. It isn't asking man to go to other woman for his needs.

Therefore, up to current, I haven't seen you have proved that Love = Sex, aka Love equally important as Sex.

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QUOTE(Darren @ Dec 7 2009, 04:24 PM)
I really dont think you two should hit out at each other. Are you guys husband and wife finding space to argue about your stand about sex life before/after marriage?

Each and every person is entitled to his/her own opinion regarding this virginity idea. As we know it, time flies and people change. They may or may not stick to their original idealogy and start a new path. Whatever it may be, I think we should respect one another.
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Oh...

I'm happily to respect his view. It's just that I find it weird when a married man finds his wife isn't able to satisfy his needs, he doesn't mean to communicate, find solutions, remedy etc. Instead, the first thing he wants to do is go to other woman for "solution".

And because I find it weird, I want to know more how on earth can this be but eventually this discussion turns to be a flame war biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:40 PM)
What he is trying to say is you will go to other women for sex even if you are married. You aren't making/aren't trying to think about solution, on how to solve the problems. You just go for other women for solutions of your own needs.

Due to your denial of the issue, you had taken what I have written out of context. I stated that whomever I marry will need to accept a polyamorous relationship. You keep insinuating a problem without understanding the
issue.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:40 PM)
As I have agreed on the policy, you claimed that I'm selfish that way.

No I haven't. Again, you took what I said COMPLETELY out of context. I said both men and women are selfish, but in different ways, and I substantiated my argument by providing an article. You assumed (once again) that I said you are selfish.

So lets clear this up. I did not call you selfish, but I will call you obtuse.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:40 PM)
My positioin will not be undermined. I'm surprised to know so much about the perspectives of Sex, from a man like you.
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Is that supposed to be a personal attack? I guess this is what a debate with you boils down to when you fail to refute that women can indeed be selfish, that women are NOT tolerant, and when you fail to articulate that you put sex above love. The end result is a nothing personal attack, and instead of clarifying your stand, you cloud the issue further by injecting vagaries like whether or not you can put up with a sexless marriage.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:45 PM)
Oh...

I'm happily to respect his view. It's just that I find it weird when a married man finds his wife isn't able to satisfy his needs, he doesn't mean to communicate, find solutions, remedy etc. Instead, the first thing he wants to do is go to other woman for "solution".
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are you sure your Mr Right is not this type ? do you see the future ?

just asking. peace, no war. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
You have already put all judgements on my answers: If I said I'm still a virgin, you will say I'm not qualified to comment on this; If i'm no longer a virgin, I'm a hypocrite.

So, is my answer still important to you?
I didn't judge your answers, I question your stand on the issue. Very typical feminist "I must have it all!" type of argument.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
But it's ok, I already no matter what answer i have, you will not understand what a woman wants in a marriage.

So what? As if women ever understood what men wanted in a marriage, it's always about the woman, isn't it?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
Be it he is sexually good or not, I will still love him.

Read below for to see your own dichotomy.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
I have never said I'm content with a sexless marriage, I'm just pointing out that love should above all and because of this, I'm willing to be there for him at all times so does he.

So you're discontent with a sexless marriage, but you are willing to be sexually discontent in the name of "love"?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
There is no sex outside marriage with other women which means he has been disloyal to me. If he loves me, he won't have sex with other woman. Don't you undersatnd this simple logical statement?

I don't have to understand it because it is totally illogical. You say regardless of whether or not you are getting sex, you will love your husband anyway. But now you are saying if he loves you, he won't have sex with other women, but IF he doesn't have sex with you, does it mean he doesn't love you? How illogical is that?

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
I'm not confused at all. I FULLY TOTALLY understand what you mean. Are you happy now?

Oh, I'd be happier if you said you are confused (which you are).

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
I'm sorry if my posted have wasted you so much time.

Don't be, it's my time, and I chose to waste it.

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 04:38 PM)
But now I don't feel like want to understand those awful perspectives now. THanks for your time. I have accepted of your views but I can't accept it.
And again, what would you not dump a woman if she isn't personaly imcompatibble to you but sexual imcompatible you? Isn't it love = sex/money etc?
All along I only see you criticise on women who are not good in sex. You haven't proved me of your theory, which is Love = Sex
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I see.... what does it mean when you say you have "accepted my views but can't accept it"?

Please also indicate when did I criticize women who are not good in sex (yet another assumption on your part), please also tell me where do I have a theory that Love=Sex. That's more like YOUR theory (see above illogical statement).

My stance is that a marriage involves many things, love and sex is just part of that many things. And because sex is important to me, I cannot marry someone who do not share the same sexual enjoyment as me. Now, please stop making assumptions about my "theory".
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I didn't judge your answers, I question your stand on the issue. Very typical feminist "I must have it all!" type of argument.
So what? As if women ever understood what men wanted in a marriage, it's always about the woman, isn't it?
Read below for to see your own dichotomy.
So you're discontent with a sexless marriage, but you are willing to be sexually discontent in the name of "love"?
I don't have to understand it because it is totally illogical. You say regardless of whether or not you are getting sex, you will love your husband anyway. But now you are saying if he loves you, he won't have sex with other women, but IF he doesn't have sex with you, does it mean he doesn't love you? How illogical is that?
Oh, I'd be happier if you said you are confused (which you are).
Don't be, it's my time, and I chose to waste it.
I see.... what does it mean when you say you have "accepted my views but can't accept it"?

Please also indicate when did I criticize women who are not good in sex (yet another assumption on your part), please also tell me where do I have a theory that Love=Sex. That's more like YOUR theory (see above illogical statement).

My stance is that a marriage involves many things, love and sex is just part of that many things. And because sex is important to me, I cannot marry someone who do not share the same sexual enjoyment as me. Now, please stop making assumptions about my "theory".
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Haha.. Sorry, typo. I mean: I have accepted my views but can't agree it. tongue.gif After all, I can't accept polyamorny. So shoud I say you are tolerant enough than a woman like me do?

You have been saying love = sex/money/etc all along but you only claim you will dump a woman whom is sexually imcompatible to you, you haven't said you will dump a woman whose personality isn't compatible to you. What the heck is this?

So, I don't want it all like what you have generalized. I just want to know more and understand. I should be thankful as you are willing to waste your time replying me and clarifying for me, eh? wink.gif

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catfights i detect. never join arguments led by women.

kthxbai
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You are only a /k/ tarp, be it a debate led by man, you never dare to join also. biggrin.gif

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are you sure your Mr Right is not this type ? do you see the future ?

just asking. peace, no war.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(piju @ Dec 7 2009, 05:51 PM)


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What type you mean?

And, you too. Have the guts to see the "flame war" but no guts to debate. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 05:26 PM)
Haha.. Sorry, typo. I mean: I have accepted my views but can't agree it.  tongue.gif  After all, I can't accept polyamorny. So shoud I say you are tolerant enough than a woman like me do?

You have been saying love = sex/money/etc all along but you only claim you will dump a woman whom is sexually imcompatible to you, you haven't said you will dump a woman whose personality isn't compatible to you. What the heck is this?

So, I don't want it all like what you have generalized. I just want to know more and understand. I should be thankful as you are willing to waste your time replying me and clarifying for me, eh?  wink.gif
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Lastly What makes yourself better than everyone here? Your perspective?
Learn to respect others if you want to be respect

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Oh...

I'm happily to respect his view. It's just that I find it weird when a married man finds his wife isn't able to satisfy his needs, he doesn't mean to communicate, find solutions, remedy etc. Instead, the first thing he wants to do is go to other woman for "solution".

And because I find it weird, I want to know more how on earth can this be but eventually this discussion turns to be a flame war  biggrin.gif
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Due to your denial of the issue, you had taken what I have written out of context. I stated that whomever I marry will need to accept a polyamorous relationship.
Really? You will accept her to have two or more?
Like that, everyone will target your wife hor... drool.gif drool.gif

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Dec 7 2009, 06:19 PM)
Dont try to make yourself look intelligent at the end no one cares. Everyone have a choice to choose how they want to live their life. There is no such thing as what's right and wrong? Ppl that disagree with you doesnt give you the right to shoot at them. Learn to accept opinion and prespective you might learn something new from them.

Lastly What makes yourself better than everyone here? Your perspective?
Learn to respect others if you want to be respect
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Thanks for your comments on me.

Perhaps you should read my posts first, find out the initial motive I started the discussion with Spanker.

Thanks.

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can i join the debate too?
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Chezzball, are you a gal or guy ar? biggrin.gif
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Chezzball, are you a gal or guy ar? biggrin.gif
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ayam a girl ! rclxm9.gif
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ayam a girl !  rclxm9.gif
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Ok.

What is your view then?
I would be glad to know what other gals think about this, too. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 11:08 PM)
Ok.

What is your view then?
I would be glad to know what other gals think about this, too.  biggrin.gif
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i didn't read all the previous posts coz TL;DR

the subject is subjective and subjected to different perceptions, culture upbringing, opinions, views and experience.

Person A may think this subject is a taboo and worth no penny mentioning it.

Person B highly look up upon this subject and strongly integrate & practice what he/she believe.

Person C thinks that this subject is too conservative and it is for the Old generations, the subject should not even exist in this 21st century.

TL;DR version = Love > everything > virginity > money
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So what's your stance? Mind to share?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 11:16 PM)
So what's your stance? Mind to share?
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what's your stance first?

i sure support debbieyss de la wink.gif
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what's your stance first?

i sure support debbieyss de la wink.gif
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I have already stated my stance loh...But you said you aren't going to read.

Well, I don't need any gal or guy to support me, if they don't agree with me. I don't need everyone to agree with me.
I'm ok if I'm the only gal even to debate with more than 1 person biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 7 2009, 11:24 PM)
I have already stated my stance loh...But you said you aren't going to read.

Well, I don't need any gal or guy to support me, if they don't agree with me. I don't need everyone to agree with me.
I'm ok if I'm the only gal even to debate with more than 1 person  biggrin.gif
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i agak agak read thru.... i dun un.. the subject is abt virginity.. then suddenly u guise debate about husband find gal outside this n that.

what is the debate title ah tongue.gif
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Really? You will accept her to have two or more?
Like that, everyone will target your wife hor...  drool.gif  drool.gif
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welll, its definitely a bonus I would emphasize on. A girlfriend maybe, but most probably not a wife. It's kinda gross to think that the cave you explore has been explored one too many times :/
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QUOTE(chezzball @ Dec 7 2009, 11:30 PM)
i agak agak read thru.... i dun un.. the subject is abt virginity.. then suddenly u guise debate about husband find gal outside this n that.

what is the debate title ah tongue.gif
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Title.. I'm not sure.

But from the debate, you can tell that man will choose sex over love.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 8 2009, 08:34 AM)
Title.. I'm not sure.

But from the debate, you can tell that man will choose sex over love.
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I dont think so. You must become one to fully understand men. When you have sex with another women, it does not necessary mean you love them. Men is just greedy and full of ego when you talk about sex. The temptation of having sex is just like picking up a loose note from the street. Its just about timing and the level of temptation that is being placed in front of you for your taking.

Asian women is general is still pretty much on the conservative side when it comes to sex. For example, most if not all men would take the jump when they are being presented with a hot naked women but only a few women would take the oppurtunity to do the same when they are being presented with a hot naked guy.

Choice is yours... so choose wisely.

Anyway, I do think we should burried this fidelity thing once and for all. There is no need to debate it anymore. Virginity, marriage, ring etc are merely tools of a relationship. Its how you use it, whether to love or hate someone.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 8 2009, 08:34 AM)
Title.. I'm not sure.

But from the debate, you can tell that man will choose sex over love.
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You are very free is it? So much time & effort the debate ur stance. I was behind the monitor doubting how come a male & female perception will possible to switch into a parallel line which both agreed on. Perhaps save up your both WIND....Don't spank me ohh...i was just drop by to say hi hi to you...smile.gif...
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Gary, yes, part of the reasons is I have the time to debate. It is virtual debate but no harm to get to know one more perspective. I'm fine if a man tells me he chooses sex over love cos this is not the first time I heard of. By being so, a man who tells me love+sex+money+personality etc, but he himself is not willing to go for one who is personally compatible but sexually imcompatible. This is absolutely not the theory as what he said.

Darren, yes, I got what you mean. But regarding "Choice is yours.. choose wisely"...I don't get you. But anyways, ya, man and woman have different views on it. Will leave it as how it is.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 8 2009, 09:38 AM)
Gary, yes, part of the reasons is I have the time to debate. It is virtual debate but no harm to get to know one more perspective. I'm fine if a man tells me he chooses sex over love cos this is not the first time I heard of. By being so, a man who tells me love+sex+money+personality etc, but he himself is not willing to go for one who is personally compatible but sexually imcompatible. This is absolutely not the theory as what he said.

Darren, yes, I got what you mean. But regarding "Choice is yours.. choose wisely"...I don't get you. But anyways, ya, man and woman have different views on it. Will leave it as how it is.
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When I really fallin love with a gal, 'virginity' wil nvr come across my mind.
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You are jobless now? Come out Yum Cha at Kota Kemuning then...same place?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 8 2009, 09:38 AM)
I'm fine if a man tells me he chooses sex over love cos this is not the first time I heard of. By being so, a man who tells me love+sex+money+personality etc, but he himself is not willing to go for one who is personally compatible but sexually imcompatible. This is absolutely not the theory as what he said.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 8 2009, 03:16 AM)
That's a given. If I were to have multiple partners, she is allowed to do so too.
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Unker Spanker, I want to make love to your wife too. wub.gif
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Unker Spanker, I want to make love to your wife too.  wub.gif
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These debtates are getting ridiculous....

I for one am proud to say I'm a virgin as a guy. So what? I don't understand what's wrong with society (or rather some people) these days that they are scared they are not following the trend or what?

My understanding is that a man can never speak on behalf of women about virginity. Men just have to respect and accept that most women view their virginity as one of their most important thing.

I disagree that man chooses sex over love (as a general perception). I for one would not have sex with someone that I don't love. :lol

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Interesting that debbieyss still refuses to clearly state for the record whether she is a virgin or not.
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QUOTE(andrekua @ Dec 7 2009, 06:38 PM)
I think you forgot to read the earlier reply. When a man wants a new partner, he will give all sort of reason including sextifaction.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 8 2009, 03:16 AM)
That's a given. If I were to have multiple partners, she is allowed to do so too.
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In short, whichever or whenever you want more, you will give yourselves the freedom to do so PLUS, you are also "open-minded" enough that allow your wife equally having the same freedom, be it she needs it or not.

This is plain selfish and hypocrite.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 9 2009, 01:03 AM)
In short, whichever or whenever you want more, you will give yourselves the freedom to do so PLUS, you are also "open-minded" enough that allow your wife equally having the same freedom, be it she needs it or not.

This is plain selfish and hypocrite.
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Really? How is it selfish and hypocrite?

I call it being equal and fair, though I must admit such concepts can be quite alien to women.
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This thread is still alive?

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QUOTE(spanker @ Dec 8 2009, 08:42 PM)
That's actually HER decision, not mine. Better work on those abs if you want to stand a better chance.
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Yes but as a bro I must get your blessing first. blush.gif
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QUOTE(Dickson Poon @ Dec 9 2009, 02:05 PM)
Yes but as a bro I must get your blessing first.  blush.gif
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First is I will need to get a wife who can accept having multiple sex partners tongue.gif
Yeah, good luck with that. laugh.gif



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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Dec 9 2009, 01:03 AM)
I feel so funny when you have assumed all my answers of YES and NO and you are still bugging me for an answer.
Yes, I know.
In short, whichever or whenever you want more, you will give yourselves the freedom to do so PLUS, you are also "open-minded" enough that allow your wife equally having the same freedom, be it she needs it or not.

This is plain selfish and hypocrite.
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First is I will need to get a wife who can accept having multiple sex partners tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Drian @ Dec 9 2009, 10:21 AM)
This thread is still alive?
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holy sheet.... this quote war is too long. I beh tahan. Somebody send their Jedi and infiltrate the enemy base and destroy the death star! PLS!!!
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Skywalker: Yes, my master. I will bring balance to the force.

As different people has various perceptions of virginity, it's all about having faith in what you believe in. One thing for sure, this argument will never end cuz virginity is not about what is right or wrong, its about what you think of it.


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yeah right
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I don't know why the guys here make a big deal out of virginity.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Dec 12 2009, 01:54 PM)
I don't know why the guys here make a big deal out of virginity.
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many ppl here talk abt keep the virginity but guys nowadays ady wil ask for sex (i think affect by taiwan or some whr), then if gals dun gv, guys (bf lar) angry?
gv him?

keep the virginity?
haha

but since they ady ask for sex wif their gf then why stil owaz heard guys wanna find a virgin as wife?
they ady made ths gals not a virgin anymore
many then will broke up oso

society nw make things a bit confuse... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


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haha...y confuse??every want virgin..not 2nd la..haha
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most of human wants the virginity, even you buy something you also wanted those yet being open... why? I want new one these one sudah bukak.. takder dara already... tongue.gif

depend to individual itself lor... what more important is that you be happy with what you wants...

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Virginity issue...in nowdays i dun really believe it anymore. before i step into my 1st relationship, my ex gf oredi not a virgin as i knew it during 1st night eventhough she told me she was... we spent 5 years 2gether and in btw she had slept with other mans...fine...i granted my 4giveness but inside myself there's awez a scar to remember. My current gf who treated me so well and said the same thing...'dear i never do it coz i'm still virgin' and she had 5 ex-bf before me... nah nah nah... i believe wat i believe... for me... if my gf not a virgin...i only 50-50 for the relation...i admit i'm old fashioned coz this is who i am...a pure cancerian.
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i dun mind whether my gf a virgin o not. as long two person love each other, why need to mind so much about virginity?
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QUOTE(stephen7177 @ Dec 17 2009, 11:35 PM)
i dun mind whether my gf a virgin o not. as long two person love each other, why need to mind so much about virginity?
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Does a virgin firl still shave or trim her sacred area these days? Or rather they prefer to shave them clean when they are ready to give in?

i wonder..............................pls enlighten me

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