Can you define exactly what's so precious about one's virginity?

Yes, it should. Plenty of people didn't. What does this have to do with virginity?

Wait for what? And why should they regret it?

Relationships end for a myriad reasons. Sex is a symptom, not a cause. If a guy dumps a girl right after he screws her, would you blame her for sleeping with him?

And what makes you think it will change any faster if we stick to the traditional thinking that a girl should remain a virgin till marriage?

I'm sure everyone is aware of the significance of their first time. Why create an artificial standard of right and wrong for it? Since you advocate remaining a virgin till marriage, why are you telling a non-married non-virgin that what they did was wrong?

That's a neat little dodge, isn't it? You clearly think there's something regrettable about premarital sex. I'm asking you what that is.

Sex is a symptom because if a guy tricks a girl into bed with promises of love, he's not the kind of guy anyone should have a relationship with. He is wholly to blame for being deceitful and manipulative. Why then focus on the sex? Why say it was sex that destroyed the relationship? If she fell for him and he deceived and manipulated her, she has enough hurt and pain to deal with already. She doesn't need to believe furthermore that she is "ruined" because she gave up her virginity to him - which is solely due to this artificial standard of virginity as something precious.

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Yes there is, and it's obvious you've not thought through the implications of what you've said. What if a girl does not value her virginity? What would you think of her?

<sigh> Do you not understand what the term "artificial standard" means?

Yes, a girl's virginity has been treated like a prize since long ago. So what? If it's a "since long ago" tradition means it's good? I'm asking exactly why virginity is important, and you keep dodging the question.

Wrong.

Some guys want to marry a girl who's lived and experienced as much as they have. Some guys want to marry a girl who's their equal, not their inferior. Some guys want to marry a woman, not a girl.

Who the f.uck cares what other people say about the woman you love!?

You'd love her less if someone said that to you? Seriously??

Well, that statement requires a bit of explaining. People are often very incredulous when I say that there is no war in the history of mankind that wasn't started because of power - whether in the form of money, or land, or natural resources, or political influence, or property. Any war you care to mention.

The most famous example of a war that broke out because of a woman is, of course, the Trojan War. But it certainly wasn't because of love - it was because the woman in question, and all women at the time, were considered property. Menelaus didn't go to war because he loved Helen and wanted to rescue her - he went to war because Paris stole something that he owned.

And that's where this whole virginity nonsense got started. It comes from a time when women were bought and sold, and virginity was merely an excuse to hike up the price.

I have no idea what you mean by "liberalist". But I can assure you, there is no place in the world where feminism does not belong in the liberal school of thought.

Or do you just like to make up your own words?

If you don't see how the two are intertwined - if you can honestly call yourself a feminist but not a liberalist - I really have to doubt the quality of your college paper.

Is there anyone else in your world who uses that term to refer to people below the age of 20? I honestly doubt it - so, again, you made it up.

Yeah, good luck with that.