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kongchristine
post Jan 27 2011, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Jan 27 2011, 02:50 PM)
hi guys & gals... some useful info in this thread. thanks to all that contributed.

Actually my wife wants me to go for the stemcell/core blood storage as it's our 1st baby and she wants to play safe, have a some peace of mind. So I agreed to pay for it but I'm unfamiliar to all the companies out there, I heard there were 4 in the market...

My question is, which company is the overall best/most dependable so far? Hope you guys can shed some light. Thanks.
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Hi,

I have just signed up with Stemlife last December, the price is RM2250 for first year then subsequent year will be RM250/year for maintenance. You can opt for installment plan.

But not everyone is qualified for this service, the mother has to have her blood tested (Hepatitis, HIV etc) during the day of admission for delivery and after delivery, they must check to see if the blood count is sufficient for storage. If failed, they will refund you your money.
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post May 20 2011, 12:03 AM

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I've recently wrote this for another forum. Sorry but its in Bahasa Malaysia. Will try my best to translate it in the next post.

* This is just for informational use only. No marketing intended. Medical advances like these, are still new but explainable if you truly understand the importance of them.

Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera.

Di sini saya ingin menerangkan sedikit sebanyak mengenai Stem Cell/Sel Induk


Stem Cell atau Sel Induk merupakan sel-sel yang terdapat didalam tubuh badan manusia yang mempunyai keupayaan untuk berkembang atau berpecah secara berterusan, selalunya sepanjang hayat manusia.

Sel tersebut adalah sel utama yang akan bertukar kedalam sel-sel yang membentuk otak, saraf, otot dan selainnya.

Selalunya apa yang selalu di war-warkan adalah Stem Cell Darah Tali Pusat iaitu Stem Cell Hematopoietic atau Lebih Dikenali dengan nama CordBlood atau HSCs. CordBlood atau HSCs ini dapat merubahbentuk kedalam sel-sel komponen darah seperti Sel Darah Merah, Sel Darah Putih, Platlet dan sebagainya yang berkenaan dengan darah. Ia selalunya digunakan untuk mengubati penyakit yang juga berkaitan dengan darah seperti Leukemia, Lymphoma, Thalassemia dan sebagainya.

Akan tetapi kemajuan kajian stem cell ini telah menghasilkan sejenis stem cell lagi yang amat berbeza dari CordBlood atau HSCs, iaitu Stem Cell Mesenchymal yang boleh didapati dari Wharton’s Jelly yang terdapat di dalam tali pusat. Stem Cell Mesenchymal atau MSCs mempunya kebaikan tersendiri. MSCs adalah sel yang mempunyai potensi untuk menjadi sel-sel lain yang mungkin tidak boleh diperolehi dari HSCs. MSCs dapat bertukar kedalam sel-sel yang dapat merubahbentuk kedalam organ seperti jantung, saraf, kornea, lemak tulang dan lain-lain.

Selalunya ibubapa yang sedang menunggu kelahiran bayi mereka akan berjumpa dengan pihak Perbankan Stem Cell bagi mengetahui apakan procedure yang akan dilakukan bagi mengekstrak dan menyimpan stem cell tersebut. Malaysia mempunyai 4 Bank Utama untuk menyimpan sel darah tai pusat. Ibu/bapa yang ingin mengambil tahu tentang proses tersebut bolehlah membuat kajian terlebih dahulu, bandingkan keempat-empat bank tersebut dan nilaikan dari segi :

a)
Keselamatan (Bagaimana dan Dimana Mereka Menyimpan Darah Tali Pusat)

b)
Lokasi-Lokasi Mereka (Sama ada mereka beroperasi di Hospital Bersalin)

c)
Pengesyoran Doktor Sakit Puan (Jangan Segan Silu untuk bertanyakan tentang perbankan stem cell kepada doctor yang bertanggungjawab atas si ibu.

d)
Kaedah Penyimpanan (Sama ada menggunakan beg anti-nyahbeku atau tiub(vial) anti-nyahbeku, beg anti-nyahbeku hanya boleh digunakan sekali sahaja, tetapi tiub(vial) anti-nyahbeku boleh dibahagikan kepada 5 atau lebih tiub dan boleh digunakan mengikut jumlah tiub yang disimpan)

e)
Buat Ujian darah ibu/bapa bagi mengetahu sama ada sesuai untuk menyimpan stem cell. (Bebas daripada Hepatitis, AIDS dan sebagainya)

f)
Jaminan atau Insuran yang disediakan pihak Bank Stem Cell. (Jaminan Transportasi/Jaminan Kontaminasi/JaminanPenyimpanan/Jaminan Transplantasi dan sebagainya)

g)
Kos Pendaftaran/Kos Simpanan dan lain lain kos. (Kos selalunya tidah begitu mahal.Selalunya kos pendaftaran lebih kurang RM2000, kos simpanan lebih kurang RM250, anda juga boleh membayar secara pukal bagi 20 tahun sekaligus.)

h)
Keberkesanan di dalam Malaysia. (Tidak semestinya Syarikat antarabangsa adalah baik untuk anda)

i)
Pastikan Bank Stem Cell tersebut tidak menyimpan darah yang telah rosak atau berkontaminasi.

j)
Sekiranya ada Expo/Pameran berkenaan kehamilan, kumpulkan risalah-risalah, dan informasi sebanyak mungkin sebelum membuat keputusan.

k)
Simpanan Sel Darah Tali Pusat Secara Peribadi hanya boleh dilakukan menerusi Hospital/Klink Swasta.

Saya harap saya dapat membantu sedikit sebanyak bagi panduan anda semua.

Sekian Terima Kasih

Oh, sebelum saya terlupa hukum penyimpanan tali pusat adalah HARUS mengikut Majlis Fatwa Jabatan Agama Islam Malaysia.

Wassalam.

This post has been edited by abd.wahab: May 20 2011, 12:05 AM
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post Mar 1 2012, 11:28 AM

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what are the best package you guys can get for cordblood?
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post Mar 9 2012, 02:59 PM

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i got mine from cellsafe. RM 5k for 21 years.
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post May 29 2012, 02:47 PM

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Cellsafe better of Stemlife better?
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post May 29 2012, 03:45 PM

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Cellsafe better of Stemlife better?
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technology wise, cellsafe better. they got more state of the art machines to separate the cells.

price wise, all also nearly similar pricing.
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post Aug 8 2012, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(UpCar @ May 29 2012, 03:45 PM)
technology wise, cellsafe better. they got more state of the art machines to separate the cells.

price wise, all also nearly similar pricing.
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Just want to share with you, try to compare with CryoCord Sdn Bhd. Price almost the same, but Cryocord lab is Class 100 cleanroom (while others Class 1000), using AXP processing (which AABB-Biggest Cord Blood bank in world also using), experience a lot of stem cell transplant cases but Cellsafe is 0 cases. The most important is that, they store both cord blood and umbilical cord. If you mentioned about technology and research, currently CryoCord is the ONLY choice.
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post Aug 9 2012, 06:14 PM

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hi hi , may i know what is the average price for there stem cells storage in malaysia?
i understand that with required few thousand for the registartion, but after that do we need paid by monthly?
if do average is how much
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post Aug 31 2012, 01:27 AM

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hi, anyone can recommend me which company is better right now? Company S or C?
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post Aug 31 2012, 09:17 AM

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Can you define 'better'? smile.gif
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post Aug 31 2012, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 31 2012, 09:17 AM)
Can you define 'better'? smile.gif
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Better includes - better reputation? most parents choice?
Dunoo, jes would like to listen to the advice from all of you.
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post Sep 1 2012, 10:03 AM

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Any particular reason why you're thinking of SC storage? Do you have familial history of blood disorders like thalassemia or leukemia?
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post Sep 1 2012, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 17 2010, 04:42 PM)
Why I decided not to store my baby's cord blood :

1) The probability of usage is low. Out of 10,000 samples stored by one of the company, only 6 were even transplanted. 3 for the baby's use, 3 for baby's sibling (usually the younger siblings were conceived to save the elder sibling so it can be discarded from the statistics). Most of the company's transplants are adult stem cells (for athletes) and animal stem cells (for horses). To put this in perspective, your baby has a higher chance of getting cleft lip/palate (1 in 700) or down syndrome (1 in 800).

2) Number of stem cells harvested highly varies. Sometimes can get a lot, sometimes can get little - but the company wont tell you this. If you get a lot, good - prolly can be enough till the baby is up to certain weight. If not, then they wont tell you (and you'll still keep on paying maintenance fee - they'll pray hard you wont need the cells. But if you ever need them - too bad, they hv insurance that will cover their butt).

3) The companies arent making enough money from the maintenance fee to cover their costs. One of the biggest company is a public company so you can vet through the financial details in their website. They've been making loses for a couple of years now - so by the time if you ever need the stem cells, hope that the company is still open.

4) The turnover rate of their staff is very high. For labs that open 24 hours a day, most work on 12 hours shift - and when working condition is not optimal, most of staff leave after few months on the job. So the lab is staffed by mostly fresh grads. And they're not being paid really well (refer item 3) so they come and they go. Are you putting your trust on these fresh employes?

5) 'Automated AXP Processing' is purely marketing. You'll get it when the machines are working. If the machines break or under maintenance, the cells will be manually processed. But you wont get back the difference in your money.

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I'll just stop there for now.

Hey but if you have the money, then by all means.
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totally agree.....latest info suggests that the amount of stored cord blood will not be enough...see above no.2. don't be blinded by promises. i also was influenced by this cord blood a long time ago but after reading up on it, i decided against it.
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Some of the info is outdated : e.g said lab no longer has 24 shifts.. they're on 'on-call' system now.

Btw if you have history of blood disorders in your family, then you should store the samples.

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post Sep 1 2012, 12:02 PM

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heard that if delivery is made at GH, they will help u store the cord blood? We are planning to have our delivery at PPUM, and all my check ups are at there. So it means my baby's cord blood will automatically be stored as mentioned at here before by 1 forumer?

me and my husband's family doesn't have blood disorders......so does it mean my baby's chances of getting those disease are quite rare?
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QUOTE(KohSin @ Sep 1 2012, 12:02 PM)
heard that if delivery is made at GH, they will help u store the cord blood? We are planning to have our delivery at PPUM, and all my check ups are at there. So it means my baby's cord blood will automatically be stored as mentioned at here before by 1 forumer?

me and my husband's family doesn't have blood disorders......so does it mean my baby's chances of getting those disease are quite rare?
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If you want to donate your baby's cord blood for the benefit of others, you need to deliver at GH.. as for they helping you store cord blood, I'm not sure whether they do it for all mothers or just take random samples. PPUM doesnt have it.

Very rare to get blood disorders if you dont have any familial history. But one thing that people have to realize is.. even if you have the cord blood stored and your baby get a disease, the blood cant be reused back because it's genetically defective...still need to get donation gua.


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QUOTE(Syd G @ Sep 1 2012, 05:55 PM)
If you want to donate your baby's cord blood for the benefit of others, you need to deliver at GH.. as for they helping you store cord blood, I'm not sure whether they do it for all mothers or just take random samples. PPUM doesnt have it.

Very rare to get blood disorders if you dont have any familial history. But one thing that people have to realize is.. even if you have the cord blood stored and your baby get a disease, the blood cant be reused back because it's genetically defective...still need to get donation gua.
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I will check with doc on my next visit on this. I too were oso thinking on whether to store the cord blood onot...i think v will just donate it instead of storing for our own use.

Thx a lot for all the infos. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Sep 1 2012, 10:03 AM)
Any particular reason why you're thinking of SC storage? Do you have familial history of blood disorders like thalassemia or leukemia?
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for me, its because of both unfortunately.


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Is embryos stem cells still required with the new invention to create stem cells using body fats?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...stem-cells.html
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scientists have turned human fat into stem cells



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post Sep 5 2012, 02:45 PM

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I have stored the stem cells with Cellsafe for both my kids. It may not be any use after all, but just for any use if anything happen in future. I opted for one time payment for 21 years, as it is cheaper compare to paying yearly. Hope this help with your decision making. smile.gif



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