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post Feb 12 2011, 12:19 PM

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Here comes my E.angora biggrin.gif

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post Feb 13 2011, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(yeelin04 @ Feb 12 2011, 10:22 AM)
yeap, but "teddy bear" kinda hard to find..i got myself a teddy bear a.loop - female, cant find another 1 yet..but teddy bear is very manja type, loved to be carried smile.gif
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Yes, but I'd like to know if these are 'distinct' breeds, or some type of dwarf mix as I've done some search online but cant seem to find any information regarding 'Teddy Bears' or 'Woody Toy' - closest results to a recognised breed is jersey wooly...

Any expert care to share their knowledge?
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post Feb 13 2011, 11:26 AM

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woody toy is a old name for Jersey wooly. However those woody toy that i have seen around is not close to the sop of jersey wooly.

teddy bears is a mixture of ea and dwarf. none recognize breed. ppl just breed them as the demand for small and fluffy rabbits is high.


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post Feb 13 2011, 12:08 PM

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may i know what is the best way to clean their "down" there, after they pee & poo, how to take off the stains at their fur?
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QUOTE(Puremate @ Feb 13 2011, 11:26 AM)
woody toy is a old name for Jersey wooly. However those woody toy that i have seen around is not close to the sop of jersey wooly.

teddy bears is a mixture of ea and dwarf. none recognize breed. ppl just breed them as the demand for small and fluffy rabbits is high.
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I knew they weren't recognised breeds by ARBA or British etc., but I just thought these were 'new and distinct' breeds not yet recognised like the Lionhead's or quite recently recognised like Thrianta's etc. With these 'mix' breeds, I'm pretty sure they wont be recognised.



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post Feb 13 2011, 02:07 PM

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Lion Head still got 2 more years to go for passing the New Breed. Theresa just passed the 1st stage: Presentation of the Lionhead Rabbit
to the ARBA Standards Committee in year 2010 in MN. She will be doing the 2nd stage this year in Indiana. Finger cross, hopes everything goes well with the presentation.

additional info, Lionhead is a recognize breed by BRC. it all started in 1999 and officially recognize in year 2002

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post Feb 15 2011, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(Puremate @ Feb 13 2011, 02:07 PM)
Lion Head still got 2 more years to go for passing the New Breed. Theresa just passed the 1st stage: Presentation of the Lionhead Rabbit
to the ARBA Standards Committee in year 2010 in MN. She will be doing the 2nd stage this year in Indiana. Finger cross, hopes everything goes well with the presentation.

additional info, Lionhead is a recognize breed by BRC. it all started in 1999 and officially recognize in year 2002
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Alright - any 'new breed' thats probably / in the process of being recognised besides Lionhead's?


Related question to 'purebred's' below smile.gif

1. When a rabbitry states that they'll provide pedigree, what does it mean? A 'guarantee' that the rabbit sold comes from the said 3-generations? Whats the guarantee that the rabbit actually does come from those dams / sires, grand dams / sires, great grand dams / sires (even with tattooing, one can 'forge') - especially if none in the line are Grand Champions / Leg winners (and as such are registered with ARBA and tattooed on right ear).

2. What are the conditions for a rabbitry to give 'pedigree's'? Must they must be registered (breeders / members) with ARBA?

3. If a rabbit (say Holland Lop) does not have a 3-generation pedigree, but still wants to be 'Registered' (by ARBA), will it be approved by the Registrar?

4. If there is a '3-generation pedigree' provided by a rabbitry but none of the 3 generations Registered with ARBA, and none are Leg winners or a GC, can one still Register the rabbit (eg Holland Lop) with ARBA? If yes, then one can just import a purebred HL, and then 'claim' that the rabbit's '1st generation offspring' has '3-generations pedigree' (using the said Rabbitry's name), with phony / forged lines, as its not a requirement that all 'pedigreed' rabbits be Registered with the ARBA it will be difficult to trace... How would one know that the '3rd generation' offspring is actually '3rd', and not 1st generation? The other 2 generations can forge, especially when the rabbits get older and mature in size.

Sorry for the many questions - just curious about this whole 'purebred' issue and the 'premium' it places. TQ!

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post Feb 15 2011, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Ad Hominem @ Feb 15 2011, 07:29 AM)
Alright - any 'new breed' thats probably / in the process of being recognised besides Lionhead's?
Related question to 'purebred's' below  smile.gif

1. When a rabbitry states that they'll provide pedigree, what does it mean? A 'guarantee' that the rabbit sold comes from the said 3-generations? Whats the guarantee that the rabbit actually does come from those dams / sires, grand dams / sires, great grand dams / sires (even with tattooing, one can 'forge') - especially if none in the line are Grand Champions / Leg winners (and as such are registered with ARBA and tattooed on right ear).

A pedigree means birth cert to certified that the rabbit is from the said rabbitry and from the said Dam/Sire. To your 2nd question above, it will base on the honesty of the breeder. One can choose to be crook or the nice guy in every field. Hence always get them from the reliable and reputable rabbitry.

2. What are the conditions for a rabbitry to give 'pedigree's'? Must they must be registered (breeders / members) with ARBA?

All the pedigree issue, is to make sure that one rabbit is of pure breed and is from particular line for the specific feature of the rabbit. There are no special condition for a rabbitry to give out the pedigree. And no, they need not to be register with ARBA to give the pedigree out.

3. If a rabbit (say Holland Lop) does not have a 3-generation pedigree, but still wants to be 'Registered' (by ARBA), will it be approved by the Registrar?

You may get the answer from ARBA FAQ, i have copy paste the same from ARBA:

In order to register your rabbits or cavies, you must be a member of the ARBA. The rabbit or cavy must be at least 6 months of age, and you must have a 3 generation pedigree for the animal being registered. The pedigree must show the name and/or ear number, weight, and variety of the parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents (3 generations) of the animal being registered. (all ancestors in the 3 generations MUST be of the same breed as the animal being registered). A licensed Registrar for the species must examine the animal and fill out an application for registration, which is sent to the ARBA office. The information for the registered animal is then entered into our computer system and we have a record of that animal for all time. A certificate of registration for the animal is then sent to you.

With the above, i hope it answer your question. The answer is NO.


4. If there is a '3-generation pedigree' provided by a rabbitry but none of the 3 generations Registered with ARBA, and none are Leg winners or a GC, can one still Register the rabbit (eg Holland Lop) with ARBA? If yes, then one can just import a purebred HL, and then 'claim' that the rabbit's '1st generation offspring' has '3-generations pedigree' (using the said Rabbitry's name), with phony / forged lines, as its not a requirement that all 'pedigreed' rabbits be Registered with the ARBA it will be difficult to trace... How would one know that the '3rd generation' offspring is actually '3rd', and not 1st generation? The other 2 generations can forge, especially when the rabbits get older and mature in size.

Yes, you may still register the said rabbit that come with non register 3 generations pedigree.

The registrar will weigh your rabbit and look over every part, including teeth, nails, tail, and genitalia.  If your rabbit meets the qualifications, the registrar will tattoo the right ear, check your ARBA card.

Well, again it will be the reputation and brand thing. Pay peanut and get junk. What you pay is what you get. They are tons of breeders out there. Some strive for quality some strive for quantity. So its the matter of who you look up to. The price or the quality. Also, i have stated in my 1st answer to you that one can be crook or can be the mr nice guy. Prospect owner can do their research and find out about individual breeder record. Their past winning or who is their line of rabbit from. Any doubts or so, can just clarify with the USA rabbitry to double confirm that the rabbit is from them.

Sorry for the many questions - just curious about this whole 'purebred' issue and the 'premium' it places. TQ!
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No worries. I hope with the above answer it clear some of your thoughts on purebred and premium rabbits. Those that i known of in Malaysia. Is striving for quality rabbits. They have spend lots of money to import the rabbits in, get the mini rabbitry up. Some even dedicate a room of theirs to the rabbit. They even feed one of the best rabbit feed in the industry you can get. This show how much the rabbitry care for their rabbits. When one get into all this purebred/pedigree stuff, they are all aiming for the best quality rabbit. We will be having the 1st ARBA sanction show in Malaysia. Everyone would like to have their rabbit win something base on the SOP of ARBA. This again show that they are aiming for quality rabbit. Please bear in mind the the SOP and judge is very strict with DQs and fault. Any minimal fault and health problem, it will be shown to the door.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=129673237098570 here is the link for the show.

above statement is my own opinion and my own facts finding. It does not represent any clubs,breeders or whatsoever. It is solely my own.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(Ad Hominem @ Feb 15 2011, 07:29 AM)
Alright - any 'new breed' thats probably / in the process of being recognised besides Lionhead's?
Related question to 'purebred's' below  smile.gif

1. When a rabbitry states that they'll provide pedigree, what does it mean? A 'guarantee' that the rabbit sold comes from the said 3-generations? Whats the guarantee that the rabbit actually does come from those dams / sires, grand dams / sires, great grand dams / sires (even with tattooing, one can 'forge') - especially if none in the line are Grand Champions / Leg winners (and as such are registered with ARBA and tattooed on right ear).

It is all based on trust. Some breeders are known to make amend to the lineage. Throw in doe into buck's cage at shows and fake pedigrees. All these things can happen so it matter how strong a breeder holds onto his/her principles regarding the issuance of Pedigree. Some breeders may even send PET rabbits this way and sell them with pedigree made by themselves. There are some breeders issuing a pedigree with just the parents being listed and I suspect those rabbits used for breeding do not have a pedigree to begin with.

2. What are the conditions for a rabbitry to give 'pedigree's'? Must they must be registered (breeders / members) with ARBA?
Covered by Pure Mate

3. If a rabbit (say Holland Lop) does not have a 3-generation pedigree, but still wants to be 'Registered' (by ARBA), will it be approved by the Registrar?
NO, a rabbit without 3 generation pedigree cannot be registered BUT it can be shown if it adhere to ARBA's Standard Of Perfection. This means that the rabbits in question will not be able to obtain Grand Champion cert.

4. If there is a '3-generation pedigree' provided by a rabbitry but none of the 3 generations Registered with ARBA, and none are Leg winners or a GC, can one still Register the rabbit (eg Holland Lop) with ARBA? If yes, then one can just import a purebred HL, and then 'claim' that the rabbit's '1st generation offspring' has '3-generations pedigree' (using the said Rabbitry's name), with phony / forged lines, as its not a requirement that all 'pedigreed' rabbits be Registered with the ARBA it will be difficult to trace... How would one know that the '3rd generation' offspring is actually '3rd', and not 1st generation? The other 2 generations can forge, especially when the rabbits get older and mature in size.
Simply put, you can register a rabbit with ARBA as long as it has 3 generations pedigree.

Sorry for the many questions - just curious about this whole 'purebred' issue and the 'premium' it places. TQ!
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Added on February 15, 2011, 4:33 pmCUTE!

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how to take care of 3 weeks old rabbit given by my friend?
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Give him back, ask him to take care till 8 weeks only take back from him. It is outrageous and unethical to pass baby rabbits under 8 weeks....

3 weeks is really ridiculous....

QUOTE(wan662 @ Feb 15 2011, 09:08 PM)
how to take care of 3 weeks old rabbit given by my friend?
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Hello again.

My almost one year old rabbit stinks! His pee and poo is very smelly. I keep him in my room so it effects me alot. I read in this rabbit thread is to get a woody pet bedding for it? How do i use it? Currently he's in a wired cage, and i put newspaper underneeth and he pee at cone corner but sh*t everywhere.

I'll get one woodypet bedding soon, but how do i use it? place it in a bowl and put under the cage or inside the cage?

I saw somewhere theres this powder, u insert into his water and his urine wont be so smelly, is that ture and will it be harmful to my rabbit?

one last question, what will rabbit react when they're in a smelly environment? Today while i was preparing food for him, after inserting food in the cage, he jump and bite my hand then go away. Nothing is wrong, he's not starving nor thirsty, he just decided to bite me. The only thing i notice is the smelly smell. Can it be?


thankyou in advance! smile.gif
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smell does not cause rabbit to bite you. nothing related at all. he bites you because he thinks you're his MATE. He wants to ride on you.

There is something called a litter tray. A triangular litter tray that you put on the corner of the cage where he likes to pee/poo. Woody pet wood pellets u put inside the Litter Tray.

Share with you something. Food also makes a lot of difference in terms of smell. Try feeding American Pet Diner Timmy pellets. You will soon notice that your room is odor free....

Good luck!

QUOTE(techi5 @ Feb 15 2011, 09:39 PM)
Hello again.

My almost one year old rabbit stinks! His pee and poo is very smelly. I keep him in my room so it effects me alot. I read in this rabbit thread is to get a woody pet bedding for it? How do i use it? Currently he's in a wired cage, and i put newspaper underneeth and he pee at cone corner but sh*t everywhere.

I'll get one woodypet bedding soon, but how do i use it? place it in a bowl and put under the cage or inside the cage?

I saw somewhere theres this powder, u insert into his water and his urine wont be so smelly, is that ture and will it be harmful to my rabbit?

one last question, what will rabbit react when they're in a smelly environment? Today while i was preparing food for him, after inserting food in the cage, he jump and bite my hand then go away. Nothing is wrong, he's not starving nor thirsty, he just decided to bite me. The only thing i notice is the smelly smell. Can it be?
thankyou in advance! smile.gif
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QUOTE(sangterap @ Feb 15 2011, 09:43 PM)
smell does not cause rabbit to bite you. nothing related at all. he bites you because he thinks you're his MATE. He wants to ride on you.

There is something called a litter tray. A triangular litter tray that you put on the corner of the cage where he likes to pee/poo. Woody pet wood pellets u put inside the Litter Tray.

Share with you something. Food also makes a lot of difference in terms of smell. Try feeding American Pet Diner Timmy pellets. You will soon notice that your room is odor free....

Good luck!
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ride on me? lol! American Pet Diner Timmy pellets? where do i get them and at what price? I used to feed ProOptimum, but he love to eat it, less than a month 2boxes gone! I'm not free to go to the pet shop as there's no pet shop nearby my house, so i went to the place i bought this rabbit to buy some pellets. And after eating those his pee and poo stink. If the American Pet Diner Timmy pellets is priced almost the same as pro optimum then i might switch to it.

Btw, I drink carrot, apple juice everyday, i have a juicer. can i feed him those extracted things? the wood pellets is for eating or absorb smell?

thankyou in advance! smile.gif
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You can order Pro Optimum online my friend and if there is no smell using Pro Optimum why don't you continue? You should just continue with Pro Optimum.

This is how you use Woody Pet:
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QUOTE(techi5 @ Feb 15 2011, 09:57 PM)
ride on me? lol! American Pet Diner Timmy pellets? where do i get them and at what price? I used to feed ProOptimum, but he love to eat it, less than a month 2boxes gone! I'm not free to go to the pet shop as there's no pet shop nearby my house, so i went to the place i bought this rabbit to buy some pellets. And after eating those his pee and poo stink. If the American Pet Diner Timmy pellets is priced almost the same as pro optimum then i might switch to it.

Btw, I drink carrot, apple juice everyday, i have a juicer. can i feed him those extracted things? the wood pellets is for eating or absorb smell?

thankyou in advance! smile.gif
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QUOTE(sangterap @ Feb 15 2011, 10:02 PM)
You can order Pro Optimum online my friend and if there is no smell using Pro Optimum why don't you continue? You should just continue with Pro Optimum.

This is how you use Woody Pet:
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Pro Optimum have smell too, but not as fast as the cheap one that the rabbit shop sells. The cheap one smells 1-2hrs after he pee/poo. The pro optimum can last at least 6hrs. But my rabbit is in my room, cleaning every 6hrs is quite impossible for me.

thanks for the pic!

ThankYou in advance
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Good luck!

QUOTE(techi5 @ Feb 15 2011, 10:07 PM)
Pro Optimum have smell too, but not as fast as the cheap one that the rabbit shop sells. The cheap one smells 1-2hrs after he pee/poo. The pro optimum can last at least 6hrs. But my rabbit is in my room, cleaning every 6hrs is quite impossible for me.

thanks for the pic!

ThankYou in advance
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