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Duke Red
post Dec 6 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Dec 5 2010, 07:15 PM)
The allegations that FIFA committee took bribes from Qatar has started to surface...True or not , we dunno yet but i wouldnt be surprised if it happens..
QUOTE(SGSuser @ Dec 5 2010, 07:16 PM)
well, the spreading football around the world thing by sepp, imho, is just another ploy to cover up the massive corruption inside fifa...england quit fifa b4(long long time ago lah) and that is being brought up again now..not sure if it is a wise suggestion though  hmm.gif
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With FIFA's history of corruption allegations, it really won't be a surprise. I'm personally pro bringing football to new nations but I like looking at an employee's CV, I think you need the proper credentials. Between themselves, Holland and Belgium already have world class facilities and stadiums. Holland have a rich history in the World Cup despite not winning one and have churned out legendary players like Johan Cryuff, Ruud Gullit and Marco Van Basten. Visiting fans will settle in easy as they are a popular tourist destination. The point I'm trying to make isn't that Qatar is a bad choice by itself, it is just a boggling choice given the other candidates.

QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Dec 5 2010, 08:59 PM)
in my opinion, in 12 years time, Qatar will hold as good world cup as it ever been hosted... all this issues brought up by sceptics will turn out as much ado about nothing... South Africa 2010 organization commitee knows all about that from their exerience..

the real issues is the relevance of bidding proses... where the best overall bid doesnt mean anything because someone else need the world cup  more than they do..

i think, for both football developed countries and football developing countries can have an equally realistic chance to hold the world cup, rotation of the world cup must be done according to countries critetia..

1) for football first world countries where the best technical bid will be judged solely on pure merit.

2) for new frontiers counties- candidates must present why they need the world cup more and how much the world cup will accelerate development in that region. In the same time they must prepare a tchnical bid with concrete plans how to overcome their shortcomings...

until the best technical bif by an european country and the best technical bid from the rest of the world is not separated, both will feel sense of injustice by their own reasons...
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With the money they have at their disposal, I've no doubt that there will be world class facilities up by the time 2022 comes around. Money however doesn't address the cultural divide and I'm interested to see what compromise will be struck. Who knows? Maybe fans will stay home, preferring instead to watch it on telly?

I agree that it should be judged on merit which is why I find Russia and more so Qatar to be doubvious choices. Who knows? I may be wrong but we've to wait a decade to see how it pans out. I personally think that countries shouldn't be picked based on purely on their financial clout but also footballing legacy. I understand Africa's selection as teams like Cameroon, Senegal and South Africa are regulars now. Cameroon even beat Argentina and England on their debut. Don't know what Qatar has done in that aspect.
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post Dec 6 2010, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2010, 12:01 PM)
With FIFA's history of corruption allegations, it really won't be a surprise. I'm personally pro bringing football to new nations but I like looking at an employee's CV, I think you need the proper credentials. Between themselves, Holland and Belgium already have world class facilities and stadiums. Holland have a rich history in the World Cup despite not winning one and have churned out legendary players like Johan Cryuff, Ruud Gullit and Marco Van Basten. Visiting fans will settle in easy as they are a popular tourist destination. The point I'm trying to make isn't that Qatar is a bad choice by itself, it is just a boggling choice given the other candidates.
With the money they have at their disposal, I've no doubt that there will be world class facilities up by the time 2022 comes around. Money however doesn't address the cultural divide and I'm interested to see what compromise will be struck. Who knows? Maybe fans will stay home, preferring instead to watch it on telly?

I agree that it should be judged on merit which is why I find Russia and more so Qatar to be doubvious choices. Who knows? I may be wrong but we've to wait a decade to see how it pans out. I personally think that countries shouldn't be picked based on purely on their financial clout but also footballing legacy. I understand Africa's selection as teams like Cameroon, Senegal and South Africa are regulars now. Cameroon even beat Argentina and England on their debut. Don't know what Qatar has done in that aspect.
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If the bid were judged purely on merit or world cup legacy it will not be fair to all of the other countries also. And the world cup will turn around a small circle of about the same countries. If you are a member of the association, you'd like to think you have a chance to do something like any other members do and not restricted to elite members only.

Aspiration of the region also must be taken highly in the consideration. Middle eastern people has high passion in football as the rest of the world do. So it would mean a great deal to them to host the world cup too. But the problem is, the only countries there who have any sort of world cup legacy are Iran and Saudi Arabia. but for obvious reasons, these countries would never bid to host the world cup. The only chance for the region to have a taste of it is for liberal countries like UAE or Qatar to bid for them.

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post Dec 7 2010, 12:29 AM

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ok what sup with the "lego" stadia ? is that even possible...? hmm.gif

i think Qatar will go down in the history as the first nation who fail to "deliver it", if there isn't any before

they should go for joint bid with the neighbouring countries

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post Dec 7 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Dec 6 2010, 01:42 PM)
If the bid were judged purely on merit or world cup legacy it will not be fair to all of the other countries also. And the world cup will turn around a small circle of about the same countries. If you are a member of the association, you'd like to think you have a chance to do something like any other members do and not restricted to elite members only.

Aspiration of the region also must be taken highly in the consideration. Middle eastern people has high passion in football as the rest of the world do. So it would mean a great deal to them to host the world cup too. But the problem is, the only countries there who have any sort of world cup legacy are Iran and Saudi Arabia. but for obvious reasons, these countries would never bid to host the world cup. The only chance for the region to have a taste of it is for liberal countries like UAE or Qatar to bid for them.
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I agree with giving new nations a chance. It's just that I think onne should prove they are capable during the bidding process or else it's just words on a screen. Well maybe the questions I posed earlier were answered by the committee. Thus far, nations have proven themselves by having established leagues and doing well in their own continent before bring named hosts, up until now that is.


Added on December 7, 2010, 5:30 pmFormer German midfielder Stefan Effenberg feels the same apparently (http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article802131.ece/Qatars-World-Cup-credentials-savaged).

I cited concerns earlier over how the citizens of Qatar will take to their nations pledge to be more open to diverse cultures during the World Cup. If this article is anything to go by, these concerns have already begun to materialise. One wonders if it will change in 12 years time.

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I brought up the topic of Qatar needing to bring in even more foreign workers to cope and this itself brings a whole other set of problems.

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It was going to surface sooner or later wasn't it? Some feel it's right to bring religion into this now.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/12/06/128677.html

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haha i think the qatar will record the least tourist visiting in world cup history laugh.gif just wait in 12 years n my wish shall come true haha laugh.gif no europeans r capable 2 bare the heat of more than boiling water in arab world like qatar n that is the reason the attendance will drop down big time

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btw any one seen todays papers??qatar gov says ok to booze and kissing on public venues laugh.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 8 2010, 01:18 AM)
haha i think the qatar will record the least tourist visiting in world cup history laugh.gif just wait in 12 years n my wish shall come true haha laugh.gif no europeans r capable 2 bare the heat of more than boiling water in arab world like qatar n that is the reason the attendance will drop down big time
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I saw reports of south africa having some 60-80% less tourists/foreign fans coming than expected by fifa, it wouldnt be a surprise if qatar record fewer... but meh, 11.5 years still to go
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 8 2010, 01:18 AM)
haha i think the qatar will record the least tourist visiting in world cup history laugh.gif just wait in 12 years n my wish shall come true haha laugh.gif no europeans r capable 2 bare the heat of more than boiling water in arab world like qatar n that is the reason the attendance will drop down big time
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the Thanis who head the bidding commitee holds everything in Qatar. They will stop at nothing to make this work.
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post Dec 9 2010, 11:14 AM

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Written with just a touch of sarcasm.

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post Dec 9 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 9 2010, 11:14 AM)
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post Dec 9 2010, 05:54 PM

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Haha funny article biggrin.gif

BTW, does anyone remember the reaction when South Africa was named WC10 host? i mean, after the voting what is the public reaction like? issues such as poor country, money could be better spend than "build stadium", high crime rates etc, were they mentioned?

I cant recall reading any of those articles back then, heck i dont even remember when are they voted. so need someone to enlighten me tongue.gif Coz wanna compare the reaction then, and the reaction to Qatar now. is it as controversial? and the extend of South Africa's committee to turn those criticism into a succesful WC, and compare it to maybe how Qatar can surprise as well hmm.gif
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Qatar purposed to move WC to January. Now there's mix feelings. I would like to see WC host in Asia again but since you already knew your country will be heat up during that particular time, why bother to take part to host WC? Qatar has alot of things to do to make this event a success.
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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Dec 9 2010, 05:54 PM)
Haha funny article biggrin.gif

BTW, does anyone remember the reaction when South Africa was named WC10 host? i mean, after the voting what is the public reaction like? issues such as poor country, money could be better spend than "build stadium", high crime rates etc, were they mentioned?

I cant recall reading any of those articles back then, heck i dont even remember when are they voted. so need someone to enlighten me tongue.gif Coz wanna compare the reaction then, and the reaction to Qatar now. is it as controversial? and the extend of South Africa's committee to turn those criticism into a succesful WC, and compare it to maybe how Qatar can surprise as well hmm.gif
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Don't recall any major controversies, certainly not on this scale. It terms of money being put to better use, hosting the World Cup does cost a fair bit but you'll also have a never ending stream of sponsors lining up at your door step wanting to be involved in the biggest event on the planet. Bear in mind that as a sponsor, you don't just get exposure during the tournament but also in qualifying games and campaigns leading up to them. FIFA themselves dump in a pretty sizeable amount. I'm not sure what the final figure is but South Africa 2010 was expected to bring in $2.2 billion pounds in revenue. FIFA themselves dumped in excess of $600 million pound in funding. Yes it does take a lot of money to host a tournament of this magnitude but it's like some Chinese wedding dinners, you stand to make it back with some profit. In the case of the World Cup, it's a lot of profit. Don't also forget that industries like tourism will flourish after so there are long term benefits as well. Another big contributing factor was the use of a short term policy by FIFA which states that the World Cup hosts should be rotated amongst football confederations. At the time, 5 African nations put in their bid with South Africa finishing top followed by Morocco.

I don't know how Qatar plans to make a profit given that they've pledged US$ 50 billion to upgrade their infrastructure. It clearly isn't about profit.

The reaction to Qatar 2022 is indeed negative. Do a quick google search and you'll see what I mean. No point on going into details again. Scroll back a couple of pages and you'll see valid points have been raised.

QUOTE(Belphegor @ Dec 10 2010, 01:15 AM)
Qatar purposed to move WC to January. Now there's mix feelings. I would like to see WC host in Asia again but since you already knew your country will be heat up during that particular time, why bother to take part to host WC? Qatar has alot of things to do to make this event a success.
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I'm not sure how possible this is. It's going to be a big ask. It would mean every major league in the world rescheduling. Not only will it affect league games, what about transfer windows? Clubs usually do a great deal of shopping after the World Cup and this will mean transfer windows being extended.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 10 2010, 09:52 AM)
Don't recall any major controversies, certainly not on this scale. It terms of money being put to better use, hosting the World Cup does cost a fair bit but you'll also have a never ending stream of sponsors lining up at your door step wanting to be involved in the biggest event on the planet. Bear in mind that as a sponsor, you don't just get exposure during the tournament but also in qualifying games and campaigns leading up to them. FIFA themselves dump in a pretty sizeable amount. I'm not sure what the final figure is but South Africa 2010 was expected to bring in $2.2 billion pounds in revenue. FIFA themselves dumped in excess of $600 million pound in funding. Yes it does take a lot of money to host a tournament of this magnitude but it's like some Chinese wedding dinners, you stand to make it back with some profit. In the case of the World Cup, it's a lot of profit. Don't also forget that industries like tourism will flourish after so there are long term benefits as well. Another big contributing factor was the use of a short term policy by FIFA which states that the World Cup hosts should be rotated amongst football confederations. At the time, 5 African nations put in their bid with South Africa finishing top followed by Morocco.

I don't know how Qatar plans to make a profit given that they've pledged US$ 50 billion to upgrade their infrastructure. It clearly isn't about profit.

The reaction to Qatar 2022 is indeed negative. Do a quick google search and you'll see what I mean. No point on going into details again. Scroll back a couple of pages and you'll see valid points have been raised.
I'm not sure how possible this is. It's going to be a big ask. It would mean every major league in the world rescheduling. Not only will it affect league games, what about transfer windows? Clubs usually do a great deal of shopping after the World Cup and this will mean transfer windows being extended.
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its possible. just a matter of people making it difficult or not.


Added on December 11, 2010, 7:53 pmmajor leagues in the world who plays from September to May are only minority..

majority of leagues in the world plays from February to December..

Europe has been the axis of football for a long time. Its time the rest of the world starts to think that its does not have to be totally that way..


But i do admit that by holding the world cup outside european summer, the host would miss the opportunity to tap into european summer holiday travel market..

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Well the big leagues play during that time anyway. Also one must consider that training camps and friendly matches will intensify just before the tournament during mid-season which means that bigger sides in particular, will be affected.

Whatever it is, no one expected an F1 night race was possible so let's see what they pull out from under their sleeve.
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Rebump old thread with a news i just found.

Players' union wants 2022 World Cup switched to winter

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so,with all the chaotic wheather in europe particularly in UK,i think winter world cup in Qatar could be the escape route for the football team. hmm.gif
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Qatar just lost 2-0 at home to Uzbek, their gameplay not even a WC team, hope they do something about their national team, it shame if the host lost all group game 0-4 @ 0-5
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i heard that Qatar's team is taking the same initiative as our malaysian team, ie. playing a bunch of young players together so they can bond and gel to play better. whether or not that will be succesful, we gotta wait and see.

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