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aressandro10
post Dec 3 2010, 12:12 AM

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actually i like it.. world cup should go to the region that need it more.. we have already watch too much of England and Spain through football..
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post Dec 3 2010, 12:41 AM

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interesting how they would design stadiums that would be dismantled later and rebuild in 'developing' countries to avoid white elephants.
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post Dec 3 2010, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(faris21 @ Dec 3 2010, 01:34 AM)
i have no doubt about their stadium and facilities, for me the WC will be down if the host is weak team, at least we can consider South Africa as a good team, they even play in past WC, but Qatar football team ....
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Qatar has 2 tries to avoid becoming the first WC host never to qualified to the world cup. Japan escaped by the scruff of their neck in 2002.


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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 3 2010, 01:37 AM)
i is butthurt the moment they announced mother russia will host 2018.

i mean wtf? Theatre of Dreams,wembley,Old Trafford,Emirates,st james' park,white hart lane.....hell even pride park(derby county home stadia) is good enough to stage any world cup match

at least qatar(as an AFC member) can host 2022 wc.i expect japan/korea but they already done so in 2002
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thats the problem with England and Spain bid.. they are tooo prepared.. they can hold the world cup tomorrow if you want to...

world cups in USA, korea, Japan and South Africa brings a much higher value and development...

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post Dec 3 2010, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 3 2010, 11:01 AM)
This stinks of corruption. Putin didn't even bother to show up did he? I think Russia's apppointment will go down easier. I mean they have a professional league and have qualified for the World Cup numerous times. They have churned out several World Class players beginning with the legendary Lev Yashin. The downside is that travelling will be chore for fans especially during the knockout stages. The distance between Moscow and St. Petersburgh for example is 435 miles! I'm pretty sure they'll increase the number of flights between venues during that time but at what price I wonder? Thought that Spain and Portugal would have been a good choice.

Speaking about price, how much do you reckon it will cost a fan to live in Qatar for the duration of the World Cup? Russia has a huge landmass but Qatar is the direct opposite, comprising of only 1 city, Doha. They have half the population of Wales ffs. Can you imagine the traffic? They don't exactly have a rich football history either. There are huge social economic factors to consider. The fans contribute greatly to the vibrant colours at atmosphere at the World Cup, the pretty lasses in particular. So what now? No more pretty women in skimpy attire especially in that bloody heat? What about gay players or fans? What about Jewish fans? Heaven forbid (quite literally eh?) that Israel should qualify. Where does one get a cold beer to combat the sweltering heat? There aren't any pubs around and you'll have to be pretty darn rich to get into one of those exclusive hotel lounges. Speaking about the heat, it goes up to 50 bloody degrees now and in 12 years time, who knows how high temperatures will soar in light of global warming? Air-conditioned stadiums? Sure, how many Earth Hours will we need to make up for this? More negatives than positives if you ask me. Sepp Blatter and FIFA are a joke.
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despite the obvious difficulties, i am sure the challenge will be less compared to South Africa. We can see a sneak preview in January when Doha hosting the Asia Cup.
Whats good about countries with infrastructure problems is these events will give the resource and political will to solve it.

1) Traffic problems are expected but not really unsolvable 12 years from now. Greece and Beijing had it much tougher and can be used as a case study
2) Skimpy pretty lasses will be missed. But with different culture, they have a chance to be creative about giving a vibrant colour atmosphere at the world cup. It is definitely not a deal breaker.
3) i am pretty sure Islamic culture issues are the earliest questions asked and tackled by the bidding committee. A jewish team ban would be a no no from the start. i never heard of openly gay world cup players before but i am sure they and and the jewish players can expect a professional hospitality like anyone else. But dont hope for gay entertainment establishment though.
4) i think drinking holes will be much more available during the actual competition compared to now, but then again, why not try to adapt to local method of dealing with the heat. The longest you will do it is only for a month for the rest of your life.
5) During their bidding presentation, they mentioned they will use a zero carbon emission method to cool the stadiums. Solar panels galore.


the best thing about the world cup is the world wide diversity of its participants. So why not extend it to the host and organization as well. Dont expect a typical south american style world cup every time. Open ourselves to different culture as well..
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post Dec 3 2010, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(cocklea @ Dec 3 2010, 04:30 PM)
Quite excited about the prospect of watching the match in Qatar. I have family living there, I hope they are still there in 12 years. I bet the stadiums they're building would be amazing.

Japan's bid was pretty wicked though, 3D hologram projecting the matches in real stadium all over the world would be totally boss!
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hahaha... i pretty sure Qatar and Russia have started negotiating with the Japanese to have that technology in place for them right after the ceromony..

Why would the Japanese hold that technology now for... their (Asia's) realistic next turn to bid would propably be in 2042.


P/s - 2042 really sounds like a science fiction date. If holograms already ready by 2022, the eagerly awaited Jetson's flying cars would propably already in use by 2042 tongue.gif

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post Dec 4 2010, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 3 2010, 09:16 PM)
Whats a world cup without the latinas shaking their.. err.. head? lol....
but, i duno man, islam country like Qatar for sure will raise up rages in Israel.. Havent FiFa considered about that? I mean, this is not a small matter. These are matter causing war in the world. Who knows, FiFa trying to be hero to stop the conflict. by football lul
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lets burn the bridge when we get there.... i dunno how they will fare 12 years from now, but Israel still far from qualifying to the world cup...


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post Dec 4 2010, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Dec 4 2010, 02:43 PM)
You sure? I thought host is automatically qualified?
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Japan qualify to the world cup for the first time for France 98 by the play-off before they host 2002.


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QUOTE(Envoy @ Dec 4 2010, 08:00 PM)
one another problem is tht qatar population is only 1.5m so i doubt the stadium will be full.

only 1m came to SA so total=2.5 and not all of qatar people will go, and there will be 112 matches to play and each myt have 60,000

60,000 X 112 =6,720,000 where will qatar get t 6.7m people to watch the game unless the stadium will be small
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they will depend on nearby arab nations for fans..


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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Dec 4 2010, 08:06 PM)
NO WAY will a World Cup be held in january. What, all major league paused for World Cup? or resume, and let 10 of their 1st team players go for World Cup? 1 for African Nations Cup, and a few for this coming Asian Cup already leave premier league managers fuming, a january World Cup will cause a World War 3!

Like i said the main problem is heat, but doesnt mean its a joke. Dont tell me just because its not ideal, World Cup would never ever be played in Arab soil? For all you know they might build a giant glass dome within the 30km stadium radius, which is fully airconed laugh.gif anything can happen in the next 12 years, so we just wait patiently. Cant use the scenario now to predict 12 years from now.
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not impossible... of course everything has to stop during world cup month.. its just a matter scheduling.. leagues just have to start earlier and stop later..

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post Dec 5 2010, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Dec 5 2010, 01:23 AM)
I've hit the report button twice already for post no.25. Hopefully mods will delete it soon.
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whats wrong with post no.25?
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post Dec 5 2010, 08:59 PM

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in my opinion, in 12 years time, Qatar will hold as good world cup as it ever been hosted... all this issues brought up by sceptics will turn out as much ado about nothing... South Africa 2010 organization commitee knows all about that from their exerience..

the real issues is the relevance of bidding proses... where the best overall bid doesnt mean anything because someone else need the world cup more than they do..

i think, for both football developed countries and football developing countries can have an equally realistic chance to hold the world cup, rotation of the world cup must be done according to countries critetia..

1) for football first world countries where the best technical bid will be judged solely on pure merit.

2) for new frontiers counties- candidates must present why they need the world cup more and how much the world cup will accelerate development in that region. In the same time they must prepare a tchnical bid with concrete plans how to overcome their shortcomings...

until the best technical bif by an european country and the best technical bid from the rest of the world is not separated, both will feel sense of injustice by their own reasons...

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post Dec 6 2010, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 6 2010, 12:01 PM)
With FIFA's history of corruption allegations, it really won't be a surprise. I'm personally pro bringing football to new nations but I like looking at an employee's CV, I think you need the proper credentials. Between themselves, Holland and Belgium already have world class facilities and stadiums. Holland have a rich history in the World Cup despite not winning one and have churned out legendary players like Johan Cryuff, Ruud Gullit and Marco Van Basten. Visiting fans will settle in easy as they are a popular tourist destination. The point I'm trying to make isn't that Qatar is a bad choice by itself, it is just a boggling choice given the other candidates.
With the money they have at their disposal, I've no doubt that there will be world class facilities up by the time 2022 comes around. Money however doesn't address the cultural divide and I'm interested to see what compromise will be struck. Who knows? Maybe fans will stay home, preferring instead to watch it on telly?

I agree that it should be judged on merit which is why I find Russia and more so Qatar to be doubvious choices. Who knows? I may be wrong but we've to wait a decade to see how it pans out. I personally think that countries shouldn't be picked based on purely on their financial clout but also footballing legacy. I understand Africa's selection as teams like Cameroon, Senegal and South Africa are regulars now. Cameroon even beat Argentina and England on their debut. Don't know what Qatar has done in that aspect.
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If the bid were judged purely on merit or world cup legacy it will not be fair to all of the other countries also. And the world cup will turn around a small circle of about the same countries. If you are a member of the association, you'd like to think you have a chance to do something like any other members do and not restricted to elite members only.

Aspiration of the region also must be taken highly in the consideration. Middle eastern people has high passion in football as the rest of the world do. So it would mean a great deal to them to host the world cup too. But the problem is, the only countries there who have any sort of world cup legacy are Iran and Saudi Arabia. but for obvious reasons, these countries would never bid to host the world cup. The only chance for the region to have a taste of it is for liberal countries like UAE or Qatar to bid for them.

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post Dec 8 2010, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 8 2010, 01:18 AM)
haha i think the qatar will record the least tourist visiting in world cup history laugh.gif just wait in 12 years n my wish shall come true haha laugh.gif no europeans r capable 2 bare the heat of more than boiling water in arab world like qatar n that is the reason the attendance will drop down big time
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the Thanis who head the bidding commitee holds everything in Qatar. They will stop at nothing to make this work.
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post Dec 9 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 9 2010, 11:14 AM)
Written with just a touch of sarcasm.

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good one rclxms.gif
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post Dec 11 2010, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 10 2010, 09:52 AM)
Don't recall any major controversies, certainly not on this scale. It terms of money being put to better use, hosting the World Cup does cost a fair bit but you'll also have a never ending stream of sponsors lining up at your door step wanting to be involved in the biggest event on the planet. Bear in mind that as a sponsor, you don't just get exposure during the tournament but also in qualifying games and campaigns leading up to them. FIFA themselves dump in a pretty sizeable amount. I'm not sure what the final figure is but South Africa 2010 was expected to bring in $2.2 billion pounds in revenue. FIFA themselves dumped in excess of $600 million pound in funding. Yes it does take a lot of money to host a tournament of this magnitude but it's like some Chinese wedding dinners, you stand to make it back with some profit. In the case of the World Cup, it's a lot of profit. Don't also forget that industries like tourism will flourish after so there are long term benefits as well. Another big contributing factor was the use of a short term policy by FIFA which states that the World Cup hosts should be rotated amongst football confederations. At the time, 5 African nations put in their bid with South Africa finishing top followed by Morocco.

I don't know how Qatar plans to make a profit given that they've pledged US$ 50 billion to upgrade their infrastructure. It clearly isn't about profit.

The reaction to Qatar 2022 is indeed negative. Do a quick google search and you'll see what I mean. No point on going into details again. Scroll back a couple of pages and you'll see valid points have been raised.
I'm not sure how possible this is. It's going to be a big ask. It would mean every major league in the world rescheduling. Not only will it affect league games, what about transfer windows? Clubs usually do a great deal of shopping after the World Cup and this will mean transfer windows being extended.
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its possible. just a matter of people making it difficult or not.


Added on December 11, 2010, 7:53 pmmajor leagues in the world who plays from September to May are only minority..

majority of leagues in the world plays from February to December..

Europe has been the axis of football for a long time. Its time the rest of the world starts to think that its does not have to be totally that way..


But i do admit that by holding the world cup outside european summer, the host would miss the opportunity to tap into european summer holiday travel market..

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