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post Nov 28 2010, 09:35 PM, updated 15y ago

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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
Martin Broughton

Manager :
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Roy Hodgson

Assistant Manager:
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Sammy Lee

Captain:
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Steven Gerrard

Vice Captain:
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Jamie Carragher

League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 7
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
1989-90 ; 1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners -----> 3
1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07

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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
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Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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Liverpool Squad 2010/2011


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Top Scorers For

BPL:
Steven Gerrard 2
David N'Gog 1
Fernando Torres 1

Europa League:

David N'Gog 5
Joe Cole 1
Lucas Leiva 1
Steven Gerrard 1
Ryan Babel 1
Dirk Kuyt 1

Carling Cup :

David N'Gog 1
Milan Jovanovic 1
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Liverpool FC 2010/2011 Fixtures


July 2010

17 Jul 2010 Friendly Al-Hilal A 18:00 [canceled due to flooded pitch]
21 Jul 2010 Friendly G'hopper A 18:30 [0-0]
24 Jul 2010 Friendly K'slautern A 15:15 [0-2]


August 2010
1 Aug 2010 Friendly Borussia M A 13:30 [1-0]
15 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Arsenal H [1-1] -David N'Gog
23 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League Man City A 20:00 [3-0]
28 Aug 2010 Barclays Premier League WBA H 15:00 [1-0] -Fernando Torres


September 2010
12 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Birmingham A 16:00 [0-0]
19 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Man United A 13:30 [3-2] -Steven Gerrard x2
25 Sep 2010 Barclays Premier League Sunderland H 15:00

October 2010
2 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool H 15:00
17 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Everton A 13:30
23 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackburn H 15:00
31 Oct 2010 Barclays Premier League Bolton A 13:30

November 2010
7 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Chelsea H 16:00
10 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Wigan A 19:45
13 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Stoke City A 17:30
20 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League West Ham H 17:30
28 Nov 2010 Barclays Premier League Tottenham A 16:00

December 2010
4 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Villa H 15:00
11 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League N'castle A 15:00
18 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Fulham H 15:00
26 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Blackpool A 15:00
28 Dec 2010 Barclays Premier League Wolves H 15:00

January 2011
1 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Bolton H 15:00
5 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Blackburn A 20:00
15 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Everton H 15:00
22 Jan 2011 Barclays Premier League Wolves A 15:00

February 2011
2 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Stoke City H 20:00
5 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Chelsea A 15:00
12 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League Wigan H 15:00
26 Feb 2011 Barclays Premier League West Ham A 15:00

March 2011
5 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Man United H 15:00
19 Mar 2011 Barclays Premier League Sunderland A 15:00

April 2011
2 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League WBA A 15:00
10 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Man City H 15:00
16 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Arsenal A 15:00
23 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League Birmingham H 15:00
30 Apr 2011 Barclays Premier League N'castle H 15:00

May 2011
7 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Fulham A 15:00
15 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Tottenham H 15:00
22 May 2011 Barclays Premier League Villa A 16:00
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The Quotes


Roy Hodgson



Journalists suggested to Hodgson that he had arrived at the club ahead of a pivotal season. Again the tactician was philosophical.

"Every day I drive into the training ground I see the year 1892," he said. "In two years' time the club will be 120 years old. I won't get involved in discussions about pivotal seasons. I realise you people have got to do that because every day's pivotal in your promotion of the news.

"If you don't mind, I'll take the 120-year view. There'll be plenty more games to be played and titles to be won."


Reporters quizzed Hodgson on whether he was envious of the financial clout available to City boss Mancini.

But the boss replied: "I'm never jealous. I am in a position I want to be in.

"I am working for a club I have always wanted to work for, and I think it is for other people to be jealous of me - not for me to be jealous of other people.

"It would be very, very sad if someone as fortunate as I have been in my career starts getting jealous of other people."

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Sammy Lee
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Steven Gerrard
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Xabi Alonso

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Reina


from Martin O'Neill after 0-1 defeat against Reds

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"Their keeper made a great save in each half, particularly the one from Stewart Downing - it was a great, great save. And then there was the one from Gabby later on. We had two go inches past the post too.


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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.
Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.


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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.


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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

Jonno was speaking to Joe Curran

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Match Highlights


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Summer Transfer In and Out



IN:

- Player In - Team
- Brad Jones - Middlesbrough
- Christian Poulsen - Juventus
- Fabio Aurelio - Unattached
- Danny Wilson - Rangers
-Joe Cole - Unattached
-Jonjo Shelvey - Charlton Athletic
-Milan Jovanovic - Standard Liege

OUT:


- Player Out - Team
- Alberto Aquilani - Juventus
- Phillip Degen - VfB Stuttgart
-Alberto Riera - Olympiakos
- Yossi Benayoun - Chelsea
- Mikel San Jose - Athletic Bilbao
-Robbie Threlfall - Bradford City
-David Martin -MK Dons

New season, bring it on !!!

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Alright, can start posting for new thread but please keep it clean and as constructive as possible.

If there are trolls, just hit the report button. Thank you. smile.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 28 2010, 09:45 PM)
Alright, can start posting for new thread but please keep it clean and as constructive as possible.

If there are trolls, just hit the report button. Thank you. smile.gif
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currently newcastle is leading chelsea with a goal to nil
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QUOTE(n0v4m4r1n3 @ Nov 28 2010, 03:57 PM)
Just for fun, my prediction for tonight. tongue.gif

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Hope we'll win, i really do. sad.gif
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what is your PSN?hehe
Goodluck for tonight...hope we will win!!
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Professional lol
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is there any way to update player list in the team? wanna update the team with suso in it lol
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All the fans of LFC.. please Pray Before the game and at half time..
Hope Liverpool Win.. You'll Never Walk Alone
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 28 2010, 10:02 PM)
what is your PSN?hehe
Goodluck for tonight...hope we will win!!
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It's the PC ver.

QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 28 2010, 10:08 PM)
is there any way to update player list in the team? wanna update the team with suso in it lol
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Probably if you go to MY FIFA 11>EDIT>EDIT SQUAD>CLUB TRANSFERS, transfer suso to the club, lol he's not in FIFA 11. Maybe EA'll update them in the upcoming patch. laugh.gif

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Would love to see Aurelio gets some time on the pitch
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Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Konchesky, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Meireles, Maxi, Kuyt, Ngog, Torres. Subs: Jones, Cole, Kyrgiakos, Aurelio, Babel, Poulsen, Jovanovic.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Nov 28 2010, 11:00 PM)
Would love to see Aurelio gets some time on the pitch
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Isn't he still injured or not fully fit? It is risky to put him since Spurs got pacey winger, Bale and Lennon.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 28 2010, 11:19 PM)
Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Konchesky, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Meireles, Maxi, Kuyt, Ngog, Torres. Subs: Jones, Cole, Kyrgiakos, Aurelio, Babel, Poulsen, Jovanovic.
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my guest is right.. RH loves Konchesky.. he wont drop him
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Nov 28 2010, 11:23 PM)
Isn't he still injured or not fully fit? It is risky to put him since Spurs got pacey winger, Bale and Lennon.
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of course no from the start. Maybe last 10 to 15 min. If he does come in, it would be on the left mid.

He can put good crosses and on his day, he can deliver deadly free kick

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Cole, Kyrgiakos, Aurelio, Babel

any of these 3 can WIN the game tonite thumbup.gif
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4-1-3-2 formation, hmm...great.. the only way of penetraion is through the middle, anyone know spurs formation?


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Cole, Kyrgiakos, Aurelio, Babel

any of these 3 can WIN the game tonite thumbup.gif
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none of them start.. kyrgiakos..man what a pity.. could be our desperate weapon in set-pieces.

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4-1-3-2 formation, hmm...great.. the only way of penetraion is through the middle, anyone know spurs formation?
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based on Soccernet, Spurs will employ 4-2-2-1-1. Crouch as the lone striker but with VDV as AMF behind him.
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QUOTE(seizer @ Nov 28 2010, 11:37 PM)
4-1-3-2 formation, hmm...great.. the only way of penetraion is through the middle, anyone know spurs formation?


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none of them start.. kyrgiakos..man what a pity.. could be our desperate weapon in set-pieces.
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if we trail by a goal by the hour mark, 2 of them will be release to keep the score even or win the GAME

we will see

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Astro CH831 ,442 predicted Spurs 2 Liv 1

only a prediction, dun worry guys
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crouch lone striker.. van der vart surived... gulp
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due to liverpool shit away form. i wont put any hope for today game.
ugly win or draw will do
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got any links.... again, deprived of a tv. lol.
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Spurs too free up above


Added on November 29, 2010, 12:11 amAhhh
....offside


Added on November 29, 2010, 12:12 amWhoa...close

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man that was clos from maxi... konchesky... please dont let lennon do that again
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Vaan de vart out
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de foe in...
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got any links.... again, deprived of a tv. lol.
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Torres doesn't look to be excited today... But still early..
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what a vital block by carragher!
and what a good steal by Lucas!

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Great save gy carragher!


Added on November 29, 2010, 12:39 amKaboul out....kamon kop!

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Spurs already used 2 subs just now...
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thanks
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4-4-2 formation's suitable for Liverpool now...

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if ngog didnt block it.. skrtel would head it


Added on November 29, 2010, 12:48 ama lot of players cautioned already...

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what a miss by maxi...
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Torres missed also...come on lads...
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Maxi is slowly becoming like Benayoun, dribble dribble dribble dribble until passed the goal line. Come on, just shoot the effing ball! Should've been 2 up
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C'mon Reds. Keep pushing forward and put the pressure to Spurs. We missed some great chances but to be leading 1 - 0 before the stroke of half time is really positive.
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Maxi missed a f***ing sitter. Hope it doesnt come back to haunt us.

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score atleast a goal tonite
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maxi missed 2 great chances already..
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maxi tried to do a torres dummy the keeper n shot into empty net but failed... but wat a pass tat was frm torres... *clap clap*
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Haha .. did you guys see the face of RH when Skrtel scored ? He was rubbing his hands like an evil witch HAHAHA ! Super duper funny + his face ..
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Mierless,Lucas played well

Ngog and Torres is rusty doh.gif

good thing is tat VDA and Kabol is OUT biggrin.gif
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Seems that Spurs are feeling the effects of playing in Europe, our players look much more fresher and up for it. Need to capitalize this and snatch a win, shame that Maxi missed that chance. Roy would probably get the team to sit back a little in the 2nd half as at times we find it hard to cope with the burst of pace that Bale and Lennon possess. I hope not though as Crouch and Defoe are big threats as well.
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tottenham wil go all out in 2nd half and its great chance for torres to put his name on scoresheet... jz lik the one on one at the end of 1st half.. but almost all the back four get a yellow card... so becareful!!!
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QUOTE(digilife @ Nov 29 2010, 12:55 AM)
Mierless,Lucas played well

Ngog and Torres is rusty doh.gif

good thing is tat VDA and Kabol is OUT biggrin.gif
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Haha .. did you guys see the face of RH when Skrtel scored ? He was rubbing his hands like an evil witch HAHAHA ! Super duper funny + his face ..
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lucky we din play this midweek
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Carra is still hoofing that shit but he saved us a couple of times in the first half. Too early to tell though.
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Torres pushed the ball slightly inside n the defender capitalized on it. btw a good positive 1st half.

Lucas played well. Don't think Raul deserves a yellow. He gets the ball first and pulled away immediatly to avoid contact.
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Good match. Liverpool seems like a new side compared to last two months. Spurs certainly feel the fatigue. Furthermore, they didn't even bother to rotate the squad. VDV was always look like he is getting ready to injured each time he play because he is certainly need to get fitter.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Nov 29 2010, 01:01 AM)
Carra is still hoofing that shit but he saved us a couple of times in the first half. Too early to tell though.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Nov 29 2010, 01:01 AM)
Torres pushed the ball slightly inside n the defender capitalized on it. btw a good positive 1st half.

Lucas played well. Don't think Raul deserves a yellow. He gets the ball first and pulled away immediatly to avoid contact.
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2nd half


Added on November 29, 2010, 1:07 amadooiii

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Doesnt really know why Torres did not pull the trigger there...
Why an extra touch to reduce the angle of shooting????
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walao damn tension .. mereiles denied a goal .. pheww
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you are crazy meireles... what a head!
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24 needs to be subbed. He just blended with grass, virtually non existent
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But in fact, Liverpool plays much much MOREEEEEE better when that no.24 is playing....

btw, Lucas is having a good game in the central park...
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Which means number 8 can take a longer time to recover haha
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Ngog doing a Fabregas?
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Penalty for TTH ... please reina save us OMG !!! WOOHO !!! MISS PENATI !!
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hahaha defoe....

Anyway, Torres juz walks away and still walking when defoe misses...
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2 links before had being blocked. any website i can watch the match?
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lucky Defoe send it wide.
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that's his first contribution . No 24. blockin a shot with arms raised....................and they f***in missed it. Brilliant
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ngog almost cry... dont worry ngog.. its a miss
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cry? aint got no time to become a biatch...respond by scoring goals FFS
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conceded a weird goal =.= magic show ?
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3 defenders couldnt close a running Modric...
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skrtel own goal =.= score twice so geng
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hw the equalizer got in...?
was away toilet juz nw...
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It was a result of poor defendin and a 'slice' of luck
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YES 24 finally out. Sometimes in times like these, it just goes to show how important it is to convert your chances.

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Meireles should have some confidence to shoot the ball as well ..


Added on November 29, 2010, 1:43 am9 more minutes .. what else can we do ... either defend tightly or wait for chance to counter attack

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Krygiakos not even ready to be subbed in. Carragher shouted at him. Funny moment.
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Krygiakos header and scores ! hope so


Added on November 29, 2010, 1:50 amOMG LUCKY ITS OFFSIDE !

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Goal,ord see it coming. Konchesky is damn poor today,as usual. enuff of this clown ord.

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:'( back to losing again.... wtf... so late. didnt kill the game off. our fault...

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3 chances to lead...wasted by maxi n torres...damn
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Maxi is also a joke, this bugger, when thru 1 on 1 always want to dribble over the keeper, today, he fell flat on his knees which really makes him a bollock of a player...
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torres.... what a joke today... maxi and torres should have kill the game early...

konchesky....he didnt raise my eyebrow..
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RH go die la .. 2nd half performance damn suck !!! totally different from 1st half .. RH call them to stop attacking ?! Or the subbing of Ngog brought such a big difference ?
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really don't think you should be blaming woy for this loss, it was the players that disappoint in this match
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we lost to a team of sprinters... lennon.. modric... bale... u run faster u win... =.=
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Time to complain about Woy's tactics, Maxi, Ngog, our favourite No.3 Konchesky. smile.gif
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come on january.. konchesky.. you are worst than hogson
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QUOTE(seizer @ Nov 29 2010, 02:00 AM)
torres.... what a joke today... maxi and torres should have kill the game early...

konchesky....he didnt raise my eyebrow..
how many times we survived.. i know the time will come... and exactly from konchesky
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all totenham player can run & past our defender easily...kochecky should block lennon doh.gif
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QUOTE(kcmy @ Nov 29 2010, 01:59 AM)
Maxi is also a joke, this bugger, when thru 1 on 1 always want to dribble over the keeper, today, he fell flat on his knees which really makes him a bollock of a player...
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Maxi Rodriguez need to be blamed for his ruined opportunity. But Roy Hodgson also play his role into the defeat by lining up several questionable players. And he is too afraid to take a risk, always want to play safe. I guess 1 point is enough for him.
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RH must have been gaying with old Konchesky, how come he's playing against a very very fast Lennon..Aurelion shoulda been a better choice. sleep.gif;

Anyways we had a good game in midfield, Torres missed two chances and Maxi missed one. We could have win but the one with the better finishing wins. Our midfield of Lucas and Meireles was pretty good.


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we lost to a better team

but the worst man on the field is the domkop refree mad.gif
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if this january we didnt buy new LB idk lar =.="
koncesky compact playing style only,no speed,crossing also sux.play like fullback
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the good thing is tat Lucas and Mierless played a good game, hope they will continue to play this way
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8 shots on goal from tottenham - 2 goals
4 shots on goal from liverpool - 1 goals

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Tottenham won .. no big suprise actually ...
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Dissapointed but i kinda enjoyed the match. The ref was a freaking joke, looked really amaturish. Imo, ultimately it was a collective mistakes that saw us throwing away this game. We should have scored those misses and were defensively poor to concede those goals. Also i think we shot ourselves on the foot tactically. Spurs losing VdV should have been an incentive for us to mount more pressure persistently, but isntead Roy decided to be more defensive and invite more pressure which is suicide against an energetic Spur team.

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QUOTE(Mist @ Nov 29 2010, 02:07 AM)
if this january we didnt buy new LB idk lar =.="
koncesky compact playing style only,no speed,crossing also sux.play like fullback
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why call RH as woy ? laugh.gif
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I watched the whole game.
Liverpool really pressed but Torres couldn't do much anyways.
Meh, Maxi should have scored. sleep.gif took 1 touch too much.
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midfield did well today... what will happen when gerrard is back? meireles shifted to wide side


Added on November 29, 2010, 2:14 ampoor in defence and attack.. but midfield linked them well

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At times like these we would do well to remember that the club is at least not in any imminent danger of going bankrupt anymore. laugh.gif

To be honest, I kinda enjoyed the game really. We played well in patches and so did spurs. It is a welcome change that we are actually cursing bad management/player performances instead of protesting against the owners.

But what worries me is that some of the players look less than happy with the tactics... and it really seems that it is coming to a choice of selling Torres or sacking Woy. A good old fashioned 4-4-2 as shown by Spurs has its merits, but sadly we just don't have the players for it imho.

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At times like these we would do well to remember that the club is at least not in any imminent danger of going bankrupt anymore. laugh.gif

To be honest, I kinda enjoyed the game really. We played well in patches and so did spurs. It is a welcome change that we are actually cursing bad management/player performances instead of protesting against the owners.

But what worries me is that some of the players look less than happy with the tactics... and it really seems that it is coming to a choice of selling Torres or sacking Woy. A good old fashioned 4-4-2 as shown by Spurs has its merits, but sadly we just don't have the players for it imho.
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lesson learn, the importance of having quick players....
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maxi got his gun and bullet, but forgot his scope
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the Man in Black also hav to be blame too, he made stupid decisions
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Glad we didn't play defensive. Losing in this manner is less irritating I guess.

Our mistake is that we didn't mark Modric tight enough. He might not be the quickest player but he makes clever run on and off the ball. In the 1st half they almost score from his cross.
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1. After tonight's game, I was more sympathetic towards R.Hodgson. For the first time since his reign, his tactic was spotted on, for the whole match. Meireles & Lucas did pretty well on the middle of the pitch; controlling our attacks, keeping the ball & slowing the tempo when Spurs tried to charge. A special mention to Johnson who totally nullified Bale, except a couple of times when Bale outrunned him but overall Spurs left attacks were, should I say, non-existent.

2. The most disappointing thing for me is when Hodgson finally get his tactic ticked, the players failed him. If I want to blame a single player it would be Maxi. I dare say his stupid decision cost us the game. He was one-on-one with Gomes after a superb pass by Torres & he dared to dribble the keeper from more than 6 yards out. What the hell was he thinking? Are we Arsenal? Is he Benayoun in disguise? Just shoot the ball FFS; either it goes in or not at least you tried in the first place. Coming to White Hart Lane against a spirited Spurs team is not easy. Especially after we're one nil up, Spurs will definitely coming back to us to get the equaliser. Should Maxi get the 2nd goal at least it could've released some stress to our defense.

3. Kuyt was poor; misplaced a few important passes throughout the game. Notably in the early 1st half when he should just square it to Torres for him to shoot home, instead he successfully hit the ball to nobody in the red shirt at all. Torres was a bit off too when he only have Gomes to beat. Konchesky needs to learn from Johnson how to stop a one-foot person. Every time Lennon gets the ball at the byline I'm praying to God please let someone head clear his cross; because I know Lennon can dribble past Konchesky just like that *

4. Modric's charge into the box prior to their equiliser is still a mystery to me; how can he escaped from 3 Redmen & run into the box is beyond me. I cannot believe how easy our players let the opponent run over at crucial time like that.

5. Strangely when Skrtel scored the first goal, I was saying in my heart, Skrtel please don't do a Birmingham again & the rest is history.

6. Hodgson, you did well tonight. Keep it up & continue proving me wrong.

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7. N'gog was lucky Defoe's penalty went wide. If not I'd be cursing him & Maxi the whole match. Stupid idea of defending the ball with both arms covering your face like that. Next time, take it like a man, not a p***y!

8. I still can't get over the fact Maxi chose not to shoot the ball. That will be my nightmare when I'm in bed afterwards, if I can get to sleep first.

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QUOTE(easypeasy @ Nov 29 2010, 02:25 AM)
1. After tonight's game, I was more sympathetic towards R.Hodgson. For the first time since his reign, his tactic was spotted on, for the whole match. Meireles & Lucas did pretty well on the middle of the pitch; controlling our attacks, keeping the ball & slowing the tempo when Spurs tried to charge. A special mention to Johnson who totally nullified Bale, except a couple of times when Bale outrunned him but overall Spurs left attacks were, should I say, non-existent.

2. The most disappointing thing for me is when Hodgson finally get his tactic ticked, the players failed him. If I want to blame a single player it should be Maxi. I dare say his stupid decision cost us the game. He was one-on-one with Gomes after a superb pass by Torres & he dared to dribble the keeper from more than 6 yards out. What the hell was he thinking? Are we Arsenal? Is he Benayoun in disguise? Just shoot the ball FFS; either it goes in or not at least you tried in the first place. Coming to White Hart Lane against a spirited Spurs team is not easy. Especially after we're one nil up, Spurs will definitely coming back to us to get the equaliser. Should Maxi get the 2nd goal at least it could've released some stress to our defense.

3. Kuyt was poor; misplaced a few important passes throughout the game. Notably in the early 1st half when he should just square it to Torres for him to shoot home, instead he successfully hit the ball to nobody in the red shirt at all. Torres was a bit off too when he only have Gomes to beat. Konchesky needs to learn from Johnson how to stop a one-foot person. Every time Lennon gets the ball at the byline I'm praying to God please let someone head clear his cross; because I know Lennon can dribble past Konchesky just like that *

4. Modric's charge into the box prior to their equiliser is still a mystery to me; how can he escaped from 3 Redmen & run into the box is beyond me. I cannot believe how easy our players let the opponent run over at crucial time like that.

5. Strangely when Skrtel scored the first goal, I was saying in my heart, Skrtel please don't do a Birmingham again & the rest is history.

6. Hodgson, you did well tonight. Keep it up & continue proving me wrong.
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I personally too thought the players failed him significantly this time instead of him being the usual one to blame.
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same case as Arsenal...The sole reason for the defeat is defense and defense alone. Both team lost the guy who orchestrate midfield (i.e:Gerrard and VDV). Both the goals came from defenders' mistakes.
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what stupid decisions?
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we dun deserve tat much yellow cards, 3 is a correct decision and 2 should hav be a caution ONLY, anyway he is showing his indecisive decision to the world tongue.gif
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me i blamed maxi,after his shooting spree attitude,then 1 on 1 with keeper where he should ve shoot he chose to go fancy,i was speechless when he dragged the ball to the left shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Nov 29 2010, 02:40 AM)
me i blamed maxi,after his shooting spree attitude,then 1 on 1 with keeper where he should ve shoot he chose to go fancy,i was speechless when he dragged the ball to the left shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Nov 28 2010, 11:45 PM)
Astro CH831 ,442 predicted Spurs 2 Liv 1

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he also did that last week against west ham
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I thought the same too. I can understand if he did that when we're leading 3-0..but 1-0 against Spurs, away? He's just looking for trouble
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Hodgson: "Minutes away from leaving with a point. Something which we could have been very proud of". WTF ??

Man Utd v Liverpool. FA Cup 3rd Round draw. At Old Trafford
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Hodgson doesnt do interviews well laugh.gif always speaks the wrong stuffs
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redknapp knew glen can mark bale so well so he send lennon to terrorize and attack from right..
Jan is near RH .. u better come out wit sumthing..
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Aurelio played well although his time on field was limited. He should start ahead of Konchesky.

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JOE COLE INJURY HISTORY (PART OF):

Season_____From________To_________Injury
10/11.......31.10.2010.......present.........Hamstring
08/09.......14.01.2009.......20.09.09.......Cruciate Ligament Rupture
08/09.......26.11.2008.......09.12.08.......Malleolar injury
08/09.......04.11.2008.......22.11.08.......torn muscle
08/09.......27.10.2008.......20.11.08.......Malleolar injury
08/09.......23.09.2008.......29.10.08.......torn muscle
08/09.......10.09.2008.......13.09.08.......Concussion


I try to figure and reasoning the point of loaning out Aquilani then signed an older Joe Cole who has a similar problem - injury prone.

we also loaned out Insua then sign a slower older Konchesky and re-sign an older Aurelio who has the same problem.

what will happen in January? so I believe NESV has made a wise decision by appointing Comolli to monitor and evaluate any transfer decision that will be made by Hodgson. Seems like I'm not the only one who doesn't trust Hodgson with the club money...

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lets play Pacheco and Ryan Babel in this game thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(easypeasy @ Nov 29 2010, 02:25 AM)
If I want to blame a single player it would be Maxi. I dare say his stupid decision cost us the game. He was one-on-one with Gomes after a superb pass by Torres & he dared to dribble the keeper from more than 6 yards out. What the hell was he thinking? Are we Arsenal? Is he Benayoun in disguise? Just shoot the ball FFS; either it goes in or not at least you tried in the first place. Coming to White Hart Lane against a spirited Spurs team is not easy. Especially after we're one nil up, Spurs will definitely coming back to us to get the equaliser. Should Maxi get the 2nd goal at least it could've released some stress to our defense.

8. I still can't get over the fact Maxi chose not to shoot the ball. That will be my nightmare when I'm in bed afterwards, if I can get to sleep first.
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Nov 29 2010, 02:40 AM)
me i blamed maxi,after his shooting spree attitude,then 1 on 1 with keeper where he should ve shoot he chose to go fancy,i was speechless when he dragged the ball to the left shakehead.gif
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This is second time, Maxi 1 v 1 with GK, if not mistaken against WH also got similar situation.

Still cannot get away the away match jinx.


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QUOTE(Mist @ Nov 29 2010, 02:07 AM)
if this january we didnt buy new LB idk lar =.="
koncesky compact playing style only,no speed,crossing also sux.play like fullback
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Lennon "escaped" from him during the 2nd goal despite marking/near him.

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 29 2010, 05:06 AM)
JOE COLE INJURY HISTORY (PART OF):

Season_____From________To_________Injury
10/11.......31.10.2010.......present.........Hamstring
08/09.......14.01.2009.......20.09.09.......Cruciate Ligament Rupture
08/09.......26.11.2008.......09.12.08.......Malleolar injury
08/09.......04.11.2008.......22.11.08.......torn muscle
08/09.......27.10.2008.......20.11.08.......Malleolar injury
08/09.......23.09.2008.......29.10.08.......torn muscle
08/09.......10.09.2008.......13.09.08.......Concussion
I try to figure and reasoning the point of loaning out Aquilani then signed an older Joe Cole who has a similar problem - injury prone.

we also loaned out Insua then sign a slower older Konchesky and re-sign an older Aurelio who has the same problem.

what will happen in January?  so I believe NESV has made a wise decision by appointing Comolli to monitor and evaluate any transfer decision that will be made by Hodgson. Seems like I'm not the only one who doesn't trust Hodgson with the club money...
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Izzit just me or Liverpool has the most injury prone players in BPL?
Forget about new players, Comolli should start scouting for a new coach and a new team of physicians. Seriously, the qualityof the physicians and fitness of our players are questionable and horrendous at times.
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i almost forgot joe cole was in liverpool. HAHHAAHAH... i have NEVER seen him play since the Arsenal match. seriously...
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i almost forgot joe cole was in liverpool. HAHHAAHAH... i have NEVER seen him play since the Arsenal match. seriously...
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flashing his yellow cards happily at our players and not spotting at least one penalty for us

we dun deserve tat much yellow cards, 3 is a correct decision and 2 should hav be a caution ONLY, anyway he is showing his indecisive decision to the world tongue.gif
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BTW, I do agree on Maxi Rodriguez. Very poor decision from him ala the match against Chelsea eh? Forgot lah. Should've buried and safely bring you lots 2-nil up. Torres not on form it seems. Can't even take on Gallas. Kudos to Gallas anyway. That said, Mereiles bailed you out as well. Bale could've easily hit the headlines again with this volley. Pretty well taken one, I'd say.

FA Cup 3rd round match will be interesting. brows.gif
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koches...too slow..how can lennon be in in front of u towards the goal? johnson n carra...how can u let modric to get into the box and cross? i won't blame skrtel for that...that is johnson job...and his backup is carra...for me...i let my curse to MAXI, KONCES and JOHNSON ........damn
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Couldn't agree more on Maxi's miss shot, things would be much different with 2 - 0 up. But we can consider ourself lucky too until Sketel's own goal, like Meireles goal line clearance & Carragher block shot, Defoe miss penalty.

It isn't a convincing performance from Liverpool, Tottenham played quite poor IMO (especially their defence) and we couldn't capitalize on that.

I noticed some of Torres body language on the match, seems like he isn't happy with some of the passing to him and lack of fire/passion from his play.

If things continue as it is, I can't imagine where we would end up when the busy schedule starts during the Christmas/New Year period. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Nov 29 2010, 11:43 AM)
Couldn't agree more on Maxi's miss shot, things would be much different with 2 - 0 up. But we can consider ourself lucky too until Sketel's own goal, like Meireles goal line clearance & Carragher block shot, Defoe miss penalty.

It isn't a convincing performance from Liverpool, Tottenham played quite poor IMO (especially their defence) and we couldn't capitalize on that.

I noticed some of Torres body language on the match, seems like he isn't happy with some of the passing to him and lack of fire/passion from his play.

If things continue as it is, I can't imagine where we would end up when the busy schedule starts during the Christmas/New Year period. unsure.gif
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It is a match that can swing both side.
As I said before Spurs defence is not water tight, they are prompt on leaking goal or goals.

It is "fun" to watch as a neutral, full of chances on both side.

I just hope Liv in the future, doesn't hire manager that with poor away record. 1 away win with 5 goals scored after nearly half season gone is very poor stat. It is a stat belonged to bottom half team and relegation team
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Gutted by the result but I'm proud of the lads and the team. We weren't overrun as I expected us to be and I figure it's because we played higher up the pitch. Lennon was a handful for Konchesky but to be honest, his pace would trouble any defender. It was an exciting match overall and I'm glad we weren't passive at least. Testament to this, Lennon's goal was a result of us pushing forward for the winner. Even when Defoe scored his offside goal, it was the result of a quick counterattack and we didn't have bodies back as we were going forward. Our indecisiveness in front of goal did us in. Both Mereiles and Lucas did better than I thought in the middle of the park. Carra must have been fuming after being forced off only for us to conceed. You know he'd stay on the pitch if it were super humanly possible.

Looks like we won't be going far in the FA Cup again.
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It is a match that can swing both side.
As I said before Spurs defence is not water tight, they are prompt on leaking goal or goals.

It is "fun" to watch as a neutral, full of chances on both side.

I just hope Liv in the future, doesn't hire manager that with poor away record.  1 away win with 5 goals scored after nearly half season gone is very poor stat. It is a stat belonged to bottom half team and relegation team
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have u seen manchester united away record this season?same like liverpool if not mistaken
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Nov 29 2010, 01:31 PM)
have u seen manchester united away record this season?same like liverpool if not mistaken
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they dont go away in thinking they are going to lose. (& they havent lost yet this season).

it sucks. we are either going to an away match hoping not to win [sacarsm] & lose when to the home team when they were themself awful. seeems kinda shows we been jinxed (if there such a thing) or karma'ed/foretold that we will lose. hey someone said we cant win (away) all the time last week. hmm.gif

with our terrible, terrible league form, it gives impetus to our arch rival the confidence to chalk up the 1up that eluded them forever. here's handing it over on a silver plate. shakehead.gif


RH, pls dont screw up the FA cup tie with some innoxious line up against our arch rival whistling.gif
(FYI RH we had a better squad then what you have dismantled (but not good enough to keep up the challenge for CL), now that you are slowly begining to realise, do something about it!

carra now out (get well. ole servant) & like gerrard out, time for the reserves to pull their socks. cool2.gif

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QUOTE(Petre @ Nov 29 2010, 03:07 PM)
injured player should just be paid 1/10 their salary. that will motivate them to get well as soon as they can
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Uncle Roy is sad... I hope his heart so pain he will get an heart attack then quit LFC....

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Hodgson 'sad' over United drawNovember 29, 2010
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It's the tie of the FA Cup Third Round, but Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson is unhappy that his side have drawn Premier League leaders Manchester United at this stage of the competition.


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Roy Hodgson's side fell to defeat against Spurs at the weekend.
• Third Round draw in full

United are the most successful team in the history of the FA Cup, having won it 11 times, and they famously beat Liverpool in the final in 1996 when a late goal from Eric Cantona brought United their second league and cup Double.

The two teams last met in 2006, when Liverpool emerged 1-0 winners, but as United have the better of recent history - victorious in seven of the previous eight cup games - Hodgson is sad that one of the sides has to bow out at this early stage.

Hodgson said: "It will be an excellent game of football but it's a bit unfortunate that two Premier League teams of the quality of Manchester United and Liverpool get drawn together in the third round. I always feel that's a bit sad.

"It'll be a cracking game of football. No doubt we'll find ourselves on TV again. We seem to be on TV every week, so I better get my make-up ready."

The derby draw was the only one to involve two Premier League teams, as Chelsea face Roy Keane's struggling Ipswich Town, Leicester City manager Sven Goran will host his old club Manchester City and Arsenal play Leeds.


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have u seen manchester united away record this season?same like liverpool if not mistaken
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LOL, how to compare? laugh.gif
1 win 2 draw 5 loss, 5 goals scored
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1 win 6 draw 0 loss, 11 goals scored

and a lot of those draw match by MU was largely due to leaking goals after leading or leading comfortably time,
As compared to Liv, the one struggling to score a goal and being bombarded by opponent constantly throughout the match.

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The right comment, for 3rd round vs MU, is simple :

Bring it on.

3 word, enough.
Don't need susah susah make-up or long word.

May be a proposal for is needed for Liv to hire a PR to carry out the interview with media, what to speak before and after match....

Want to be champion, then you prepare to face any team and beat them.
Same like when Liv win the CL time.

No point hope to play lower league team, and cannot beat them.
Just like what had happened on league cup, lose to Northampton, more "shame" than losing to MU.

Let say how is RH make-up then during the 3rd round FA cup.
Btw, when they play?
Can't wait to see the live footstage of Liv manager make-up. laugh.gif

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yesterday's game was good. didn't deserve to lose. deserve at least a draw. both sides have a lot of chances.

i agree, lucas and mereiles partnered very good in the middle.. maybe this is the shape of things to come?

btw, lennon really rape konchesky but even better defender also struggle to mark that fast *******.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 29 2010, 03:55 PM)
WTF? Really hodgson? doh.gif
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The right comment, for 3rd round vs MU, is simple :

Bring it on.

3 word, enough.
Don't need susah susah make-up or long word.

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yesterday's game was good. didn't deserve to lose. deserve at least a draw. both sides have a lot of chances.

i agree, lucas and mereiles partnered very good in the middle.. maybe this is the shape of things to come?

btw, lennon really rape konchesky but even better defender also struggle to mark that fast *******.
seriously he said that?  doh.gif didn't he knows get in tv = more money? wtf
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that because Gerrard is absence, if not surely Hodgson will put Meireless at the side of midfielder. 4-4-2 seem work great with Liverpool.
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I dislike the 'sign more players' line of thought, but for once I'd like to demand (not that it does much good laugh.gif) that should Woy be kept on as our manager, a giant battering ram kind of striker be bought in January. Torres does not seem to be happy at all being the target man, so perhaps having him play as the 'small guy' in a partnership would be best for all parties. He was in fact the withdrawn striker at Athletico Madrid wasn't he?

The two banks of four that is Woy's favoured tactic does work... Redknapp uses virtually the same system to much success anyways. I do think we have 'sufficient' players to make a workable solution... keep yesterday's central midfield pairing, shunt Gerrard out wide (and hopefully make him stay there). A genuine winger on the other flank would be nice, but Joe Cole if fit and in form will probably pass muster. We have a HUGE amount of squad players capable of filling in there anyways, and i won't mind sacrificing a few babel cough cough for the said striker.

An attacking leftback would be nice too, but should not be a priority methinks as January IS a terrible period to bargain hunt. Is Insua coming back?

Seriously, seeing Crouch win header after header (which is probably due more to Carragher and Skrtel being wimps in the air) and having Defoe, Modric and co latch onto his knockdowns make me go green with envy. Since we're gonna hoof it anyways, let us hoof it in style. Fullbacks for width, Lucas+Meireles to keep things tight in the middle with Cole, Gerrard and Torres feeding on knockdowns from our giant battering ram seems one dimensional but potent enough imho.


Added on November 29, 2010, 5:15 pmAnd oh yeah, a PR manager or a 'shut ye gob' contractual clause added on for RH.

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I dislike the 'sign more players' line of thought,


Added on November 29, 2010, 5:15 pmAnd oh yeah, a PR manager or a 'shut ye gob' contractual clause added on for RH.
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The priority is get a PR officer... whistling.gif

I don't know AF would laugh or ROFL or not after reading the news/comment made. doh.gif
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strange enough.. we might get a win like we play against chelsea..
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penalty time Torres is not looking at it.. LOL..

i lol at the end part,look at liverpool no3 player.. sigh..

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Hmmph .. I've been wondering this for a long time already .. the show @ ch81x did mention about it as well ...

Did our left back position gets better after John Arne Riise left ?
I would say no ... definitely no ...

But not many world class left back that we can buy in January .. any suggestions ?
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Maxi miss 1 chance everyone seems to condemn and blame him for the loss.. Torres missed 2 one-on-one opportunities but no one said anything.. the way I saw it, Maxi played way better (in term of hardwork, determination, effort and contribution) than Torres in the last night game. I guess I'll be heavily criticized for criticizing Torres.... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 29 2010, 12:44 PM)
Maxi miss 1 chance everyone seems to condemn and blame him for the loss.. Torres missed 2 one-on-one opportunities but no one said anything.. the way I saw it, Maxi played way better (in term of hardwork, determination, effort and contribution) than Torres in the last night game. I guess I'll be heavily criticized for criticizing Torres.... hmm.gif
I'm not sure whether to laugh, cry or get angry..  doh.gif
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The way I see it, Maxi fumbled our best chance to get it to 2-0. He's got space, time everything & yet, you know...I'd blame Torres too but considering his chances were from: 1. a tight angle & 2. had to run off a few yards to the 18 yard box before tackled by Bassong, I'd go easy on him. Anyway let's hope our team can improve more afterwards. Deep down I'm happy with the way the team turned up last night. It's just the small details that costs us in the end.

A question popped into my head; are we ready for the life after Gerrard? His injury could be a blessing in disguise for the other players to show up. Meireles & Lucas seemed a good combination in the middle, but yet to be proven against tougher oppositions. Lucas has gradually becoming my favourite player with the way he plays. Meireles, we all know he's quality & I sincerely hope Hodgson will finally sees that his best position is in the middle, not on the flanks.

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Yes I believe so. LFC has had some of its best results against big teams without Gerrard, Torres, or both. But I reckon SG will stick around for a few more years at least before retiring.
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QUOTE(easypeasy @ Nov 29 2010, 08:31 PM)
The way I see it, Maxi fumbled our best chance to get it to 2-0. He's got space, time everything & yet, you know...I'd blame Torres too but considering his chances were from: 1. a tight angle & 2. had to run off a few yards to the 18 yard box before tackled by Bassong, I'd go easy on him. Anyway let's hope our team can improve more afterwards. Deep down I'm happy with the way the team turned up last night. It's just the small details that costs us in the end.

A question popped into my head; are we ready for the life after Gerrard? His injury could be a blessing in disguise for the other players to show up. Meireles & Lucas seemed a good combination in the middle, but yet to be proven against tougher oppositions. Lucas has gradually becoming my favourite player with the way he plays. Meireles, we all know he's quality & I sincerely hope Hodgson will finally sees that his best position is in the middle, not on the flanks.
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I think Gerrard Meireles CM is a very sound combination against weaker teams; if against tough opposition, use Gerrard-Lucas
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meireles heading and first ouch were class!..
if he can work on his jumping.. he could be lethal weapon in set pieces
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We only got three world class player in the team.. Stevie, Torres and Reina. Without those three we're what we're now.. a mid-table team. when we win, some will say 'who need Gerrard?' when we loose 'oh! how I wish Gerrard was playing and rescue us again'...

I also believe Meireles did better than Lucas in defending, he tracks back opponent and closing them down more often, last night he made a life saving clearance off the goal line once, while Lucas is nowhere in the scene...

Did N'gog made any single shot last night? statistically, in his last 11 appearences (517 minutes) he only manages to make 15 shots with 7 on target and 0 goals.. he rarely get himself in a scoring position and and as a striker he shows a lacks of desire and hunger for goals.. he's a talented player with a lot of potential but I guess it's time to give a chance to Pacheco or Babel.. or even Jovanovic.
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when will liverpool start playing like barca .lol
carra is out about a month, now we got no leader on the pitch..
carra lead vocally.
stevie lead by example..

reina & torres are perfect candidates...
torres used to be captain in athletico madrid (yeah maxi was a captain there too)

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 30 2010, 03:03 AM)
We only got three world class player in the team.. Stevie, Torres and Reina. Without those three we're what we're now.. a mid-table team. when we win, some will say 'who need Gerrard?' when we loose 'oh! how I wish Gerrard was playing and rescue us again'...

I also believe Meireles did better than Lucas in defending, he tracks back opponent and closing them down more often, last night he made a life saving clearance off the goal line once, while Lucas is nowhere in the scene...

Did N'gog made any single shot last night? statistically, in his last 11 appearences (517 minutes) he only manages to make 15 shots with 7 on target and 0 goals.. he rarely get himself in a scoring position and and as a striker he shows a lacks of desire and hunger for goals.. he's a talented player with a lot of potential but I guess it's time to give a chance to Pacheco or Babel.. or even Jovanovic.
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on the contrary i never feel that we are missing gerrard when we lost. most of the times when gerrard/torres is injured the team played.. like a team. no reliance on gerrard and somehow the team spirit are higher than usual. maybe they wanted to show that liverpool is not a one man team like the media always b**** about.

lucas and meireles partnered up good. mereiles is more mobile than lucas so no suprise when he closed down player more than the other dude.

ngog.. he's alright. can't understand when you said he's lack desire and not hunger for goals. from what i saw he work his socks off. i agree babel and pacheco needed to be given a chance. i think their turn is up for the next europa game. lets hope they especially pacheco will play on his real position and shine.
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QUOTE(xMika @ Nov 29 2010, 07:24 PM)
Hmmph .. I've been wondering this for a long time already .. the show @ ch81x did mention about it as well ...

Did our left back position gets better after John Arne Riise left ?
I would say no ... definitely no ...

But not many world class left back that we can buy in January .. any suggestions ?
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aurelio was our best since riise left, too bad he made of glass..spending more time flirting with nurse than on field wink.gif
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QUOTE(miketee @ Nov 30 2010, 12:28 AM)
Yes I believe so. LFC has had some of its best results against big teams without Gerrard, Torres, or both. But I reckon SG will stick around for a few more years at least before retiring.
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I think he'll gradually play a more withdrawn mode as DM. Thinking back, when he first started out, all experts point out that his best position is DM, now 10 years later, he's still in AM position laugh.gif

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meireles heading and first ouch were class!..
if he can work on his jumping.. he could be lethal weapon in set pieces
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Gerrard heading abilities is good as well, makes me wonder how come he seldom position himself in corner or freekicks. He rather takes those kicks.

QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Nov 30 2010, 10:51 AM)
aurelio was our best since riise left, too bad he made of glass..spending more time flirting with nurse than on field  wink.gif
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Anyone shared or read this?

The Konchesky Experiment

Poor old Woy can't seem to get it right at the moment. For the first time this season he decided to release Liverpool's handbrake away from home and stick David 'Wash' Ngog up front with the still slightly undercooked Fernando Torres, knowing full well Spurs are as wide open as a 24-hour supermarket and knackered after a busy week in their quest to achieve world domination while employing absolutely no credible tactics whatsoever.

The trouble is Liverpool's front line looked so unused to being presented with clear cut chances that they froze like an embalmed rabbit in the Arctic whenever they were offered a clear run on Tottenham's goal. Twice Torres opted to fall over rather than shoot when clean through and Maxi is such a bum-licker he copied his colleague's lead and did exactly the same.

Martin Skrtel is so keen to establish himself as a Liverpool legend, a la Jamie Carragher, that he thought he'd better equalise his own opener, while the Paul Konchesky experiment came apart at the seams. If the left back is ever asked to draw a picture of Aaron Lennon he'll have to start with the winger's arse given that he spent most of the afternoon staring at it disappearing into the distance. As Konchesky did his 'wading knee deep in treacle' impression, Lennon breezed through and rounded off a memorable week for Tottenham.

All that, and Carragher managed to dislocate his shoulder but still have a moody pop at Sotirios Kyrgiakos who was taking his time in coming on the field to replace him. After Spurs' winner, Woy sank deep into his seat and stuck his fingers in his ears so he didn't have to listen to the inevitable chant for Kenny Dalglish from the away contingent.

Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...england&cc=4716
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 29 2010, 05:13 PM)
I dislike the 'sign more players' line of thought, but for once I'd like to demand (not that it does much good laugh.gif) that should Woy be kept on as our manager, a giant battering ram kind of striker be bought in January. Torres does not seem to be happy at all being the target man, so perhaps having him play as the 'small guy' in a partnership would be best for all parties. He was in fact the withdrawn striker at Athletico Madrid wasn't he?

The two banks of four that is Woy's favoured tactic does work... Redknapp uses virtually the same system to much success anyways. I do think we have 'sufficient' players to make a workable solution... keep yesterday's central midfield pairing, shunt Gerrard out wide (and hopefully make him stay there). A genuine winger on the other flank would be nice, but Joe Cole if fit and in form will probably pass muster. We have a HUGE amount of squad players capable of filling in there anyways, and i won't mind sacrificing a few babel cough cough for the said striker.

An attacking leftback would be nice too, but should not be a priority methinks as January IS a terrible period to bargain hunt. Is Insua coming back?

Seriously, seeing Crouch win header after header (which is probably due more to Carragher and Skrtel being wimps in the air) and having Defoe, Modric and co latch onto his knockdowns make me go green with envy. Since we're gonna hoof it anyways, let us hoof it in style. Fullbacks for width, Lucas+Meireles to keep things tight in the middle with Cole, Gerrard and Torres feeding on knockdowns from our giant battering ram seems one dimensional but potent enough imho.


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I agree with everything you've said. We've looked one dimensional for much of the season and we need a big bloke up front if we're going to hoof it.

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A question popped into my head; are we ready for the life after Gerrard?
It's a question I think every Liverpool fan has pondered upon at some point, especially after his "I'm going to Chelsea, no I'm not" routine. I genuinely believe that we are. We've beaten the likes of Chelsea and Man Utd in his absence. When Gerrard is in the team, every player feels compelled or is instructed to pass the ball to him, hence the saying, "Stop Gerrard, and you stop Liverpool". I think his presence limits the talents of those around him. Anyone remember the blinder Igor Biscan played against Bayer Leverkusen in his absence, when our big Croat was thrust into his favoured position in midfield? Poor bloke had to take in tonnes of abuse because Houllier thought he bought a centreback. We look to Gerrard as our matchwinner when the chips are down in it's obvious why. He's single handedly brought us back from the brink of defeat on numerous occasions with his hard running and super strikes. He is however 30 years old now and it doesn't look like he'll fulfill his appetite for success at Anfield. It's time for the rest to step up and I genuinely believe they will.

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the difference between a great player and a regular player is consistency.. maybe not for every game but for most of the time. Regular player can have his brilliant moment at time but failed to maintain the form week in week out.

and with Gerrard, the gap between him and the others is massive.. like a grown up in a schoolboy group. As it has been hard enough to cope with the departure of Alonso, it'll be even harder to loose Gerrard. Can't blame him for outshining the others when they should be the one to step away from his shadow..
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 30 2010, 12:11 PM)
It's a question I think every Liverpool fan has pondered upon at some point, especially after his "I'm going to Chelsea, no I'm not" routine. I genuinely believe that we are. We've beaten the likes of Chelsea and Man Utd in his absence. When Gerrard is in the team, every player feels compelled or is instructed to pass the ball to him, hence the saying, "Stop Gerrard, and you stop Liverpool". I think his presence limits the talents of those around him. Anyone remember the blinder Igor Biscan played against Bayer Leverkusen in his absence, when our big Croat was thrust into his favoured position in midfield? Poor bloke had to take in tonnes of abuse because Houllier thought he bought a centreback. We look to Gerrard as our matchwinner when the chips are down in it's obvious why. He's single handedly brought us back from the brink of defeat on numerous occasions with his hard running and super strikes. He is however 30 years old now and it doesn't look like he'll fulfill his appetite for success at Anfield. It's time for the rest to step up and I genuinely believe they will.
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Im going to get a lot of flak for this but i think the time is right for both the club and Gerrard to part ways. Gerrard is a legend and has done too much for this club, its only right for him to move on and a have taste of life outside Anfield - albeit that might be a little too late. Harsh but i think the club needs to rejuvenated and the backbone needs to rebuild around the younger generation. Sadly this will be either Reina or Lucas. I left out Torres because i fear his patience is wearing out and unlike Reina, his legs and physical well being are perhaps in jeopardy. I've always felt the presence of Gerrard while still a tremendous boost to the team, has been detrimental to how us as a team progresses. He truly is a double edge sword. His mere presence adds a lot of firepower to this team but at the same time, his presence constantly undermine the lesser players because our football evolves around him and we become so one dimensional. This is especially true ever since Xabi left for Real. This is why i feel we're going backwards with Gerrard back in central mid. This team needs to break away from this habit because its old and so predictable. Time and time again, Gerrard has been like a security blanket that the team relies on to bail us out when we're in trouble - hence the term a one man team. During his absence, you can almost immediately see this security blanket being lifted as the team worked much harder and play a lot better as a team. We dotn always win the games during his absence but you witness a whole different team. The ball moves around a lot of more fluid because the players are forced to work off one another and everyone is on equal playing field. The pressure and responsibilities are evenly distributed through out the team as it should be. Gerrard is not going to be around forever, and at 30, the sooner we start planning life without Gerrard the better it is for us.
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Agree with hfi, though I still believe the time of him to leave for a top club has pass him by.
The only thing is I wish Woy or whoever will have the balls to move his position gradually to DM as he has the vision & passing skills of Xabi with tenacity of Masch. Let Lucas or Meireles free to roam ard.
At least the whole system will be different & scoring responsiblity will be spread over the team.
As for Torres, its fair point if we lose him, as he made it clear that he wanna win things, which looking at who is at the helm for the moment, tough luck, i'd say, else he wouldn't be leaving AM.
Just the the one rebuilding LFC shouldn't be Woy as seeing his signings of Poulsen & Konchesky made me doh.gif as those 2 are not any better than the younger players we have or had wink.gif
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 30 2010, 01:06 PM)
the difference between a great player and a regular player is consistency.. maybe not for every game but for most of the time. Regular player can have his brilliant moment at time but failed to maintain the form week in week out.

and with Gerrard, the gap between him and the others is massive.. like a grown up in a schoolboy group. As it has been hard enough to cope with the departure of Alonso, it'll be even harder to loose Gerrard. Can't blame him for outshining the others when they should be the one to step away from his shadow..
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The problem is we've become so reliant upon him. He is essentially Mr. Liverpool and everything at the club revolves around him. Even when he doesn't play well, his mere presence masks it for long periods. In the eyes of many, he can do no wrong. When he plays for England, it's a whole different ball game as he is surrounded by other stars. Is it even a mystery that he cannot reproduce his club form at an international level? He is no longer "the man" and thus sees less of the ball and with players who have their own reputations, around him, he is treated like part of the team and as such, he has to play his part. He isn't the, as Martin Tyler put it, "One Man Task Force", he is at Liverpool.

I disagree that it is a choice for the rest to be outshone by him. I completely agree with everything that Hfi has said in his post. The rest of the team plays really well in his absence. Just look back to the Man Utd and Chelsea games I was referring to. A more recent example will be the game against Spurs which we really should have wrapped up in the first half. Lucas and Mereiles both had really good games as they were given more freedom to impose themselves on the game. Again, I feel that both are restrained to certain roles to accomodate Gerrard. In two games this season, Mereiles had to play right winger but this was however also because Kuyt was out injured.

Like it or not, we will have to start getting used to life after Gerrard and I honestly don't think it's such a bad thing. I would rather the team plays well instead of just one player.
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yeah, gerrard is not getting younger and his prime has passed him. however he is still needed in an open game where his bursts running and quick thinking is useful for attacking. in a game where the opponent choose to sit deep and get a draw is not very suitable now since they always have this mentality of 'stop gerrard and torres at any cost' so the usual tactics of pass gerrard/torres the ball failed miserably almost all the time.

even though its ugly and i hate it, i agree we need to find a good target man to accompany torres upront if we choose to hoof the ball. hey, as long as it works... wink.gif
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 30 2010, 02:39 PM)
yeah, gerrard is not getting younger and his prime has passed him. however he is still needed in an open game where his bursts running and quick thinking is useful for attacking. in a game where the opponent choose to sit deep and get a draw is not very suitable now since they always have this mentality of 'stop gerrard and torres at any cost' so the usual tactics of pass gerrard/torres the ball failed miserably almost all the time.

even though its ugly and i hate it, i agree we need to find a good target man to accompany torres upront if we choose to hoof the ball. hey, as long as it works... wink.gif
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Keeping Gerrard is a big plus of course but as vreis has suggested, his role has to be limited so the rest have the opportunity to shine. Not everything should go through Gerrard anymore because the rest have shown that they can be counted upon. Mereiles is showing the form that has made him a regular in his national side and Lucas is fast becoming the player he was at Gremio.

On the signings of both Poulsen and Konchesky, I think many fans were doubtful even before they played their first game. Both have had distinctively average careers and we can see why. They didn't improve the squad if you ask me. If we had kept Insua, we could have bought Van Der Vaart for what we paid for both of them. I think Jay Spearing could displace Poulsen.
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 30 2010, 01:06 PM)
Can't blame him for outshining the others when they should be the one to step away from his shadow..
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I agree with you in this. Maybe it is not a coincidence that the whole team play better when he is out. But it is hardly his fault if he outshines others. After all he is the one who keeps on saving us time and time again and proving his worth to us. Well maybe the the media over-hyping him and made him untouchable is not helping also.

But I will be disappointed if the other players don't step up and take responsibility or play with confidence just because Gerrard is on the pitch. I can't hardly remember any player scream or having a go at Gerard when he made wrong pass, or any mistake. (Maybe Spearing will do it someday smile.gif ) That's what I want to see. If GD is not being a team player then someone should remind him, that kind of mentality. Not "Gerard is in the team so I should show my highest respect, he can do no wrong".

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for the time being, Gerrard was part of our key player that can change/drive the game, eventhough Lucas+Mereiles now look promising to live up the midfield area...if the engine was taken out from the car, then the car cannot go anywhere, ...we have lost our engine, Alonso and Masch..and we were struggle to find a new player that can accommodate what Alonso and Masch doing...well to find a replacement for these two player, not an easy job..we have to introduce a new style of play with our current player, to do this, its a manager job and it is another story...

well my discussion always pointed out at our manager, which seems i dont want to discuss about it...enough is enough... as long as you have a manager that is clueless, and dont know what to do with his team, Liverpool will never be as a title contender...
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Im probably clutching straws here but it must be comforting for someone like Lucas to have mid pairing who can speak his native language. Midfield pairing is perhaps one of the hardest pairing to develop in football because you are covering a lot of space and their ability to work in unison is key to how a team will function on the pitch. The way both Lucas and Mereiles move in sync with one another and the trust and respect shown between themselves i feel is fundamental to a good CM pairing. I really hope the pairing of Lucas and Mereiles is given a good run of playing time to develop before Roy decides his favourite pairing.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Nov 30 2010, 03:21 PM)
Im probably clutching straws here but it must be comforting for someone like Lucas to have mid pairing who can speak his native language. Midfield pairing is perhaps one of the hardest pairing to develop in football because you are covering a lot of space and their ability to work in unison is key to how a team will function on the pitch. The way both Lucas and Mereiles move in sync with one another and the trust and respect shown between themselves i feel is fundamental to a good CM pairing. I really hope the pairing of Lucas and Mereiles is given a good run of playing time to develop before Roy decides his favourite pairing.
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Was a fantastic match. Barca is truly a spectacle to watch and seeing the players outplaying Real is a sight to behold. Totally outclassed Real, but i think its largely due to Jose shooting himself on the foot there. What was he thinking of playing that kind of high defensive line and not pressing Barca at all ? Crazy stuff. Either you pressed them to point of them panicking like we did or just sit back and take the beatings like Inter did. I think Mourinho tried to take em on by playing their version of attacking football by thats not going to happen against a team that will refuse to give you the ball.
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The El Clasico only shows one thing. Age and experience are not factors determining whose the better manager. Roy can save his bullshit about 35 years experience and all that to himself. I will take pep any days!

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 30 2010, 04:16 PM)
The El Clasico only shows one thing. Age and experience isn't a factor determining whose the better manager. Roy can save his bullshit about 35 years experience and all that to himself. I will take pep any days!
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He didnt bring these footballing to Barcelona tho.. it was Rijkaard but Pep did improve the formation. I was excited to see Mour got pwned but he was smart when he took over the job, he stated dont expect miracle and Real is far from being perfect. So he got a reason to say on press on this 5-0 pwnage like "look this is just one game we got pwn and i tell u b4 Real is not there yet" he and his ego lol.. But then if Liverpool had our midfield likes Mascherano, Xabi and Gerard would destroy Barcelona's mid with all the flying tackle coming in to stop them trying to thier own football smile.gif
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One thing that makes me proud to be a Liverpool supporter is that the passion is sometimes transposed into action. Came across this bunch of fans who have formed their own club. Unlike MyRAWK however, they watch their games at mamaks but I've been told that their primary gathering point is at Spoons in Kota Damansara. Like MyRAWK, they also organised football and futsal matches for those who are interested. For more info you can check out their facebook site. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=33733580324. Fills me with immense pride when I come across folks like these who show so much support.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Nov 30 2010, 03:39 PM)
Btw anyone watched el classico last nite? Lassana Diarra reminds me of Mascherano...
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While the Masch himself is warming the bench tongue.gif

QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 30 2010, 04:25 PM)
He didnt bring these footballing to Barcelona tho.. it was Rijkaard but Pep did improve the formation. I was excited to see Mour got pwned but he was smart when he took over the job, he stated dont expect miracle and Real is far from being perfect. So he got a reason to say on press on this 5-0 pwnage like "look this is just one game we got pwn and i tell u b4 Real is not there yet" he and his ego lol.. But then if Liverpool had our midfield likes Mascherano, Xabi and Gerard would destroy Barcelona's mid with all the flying tackle coming in to stop them trying to thier own football smile.gif
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You are not exactly correct, Pep may not bring in those philosophies but its the way its already imbued in Pep's DNA on how Barca should play, after all, he's a born & bred in Barca academy.
Its not Rijkaard who bring these footballing philosophies, though he did woke them up from their slumber under van Gaal, it is Cruyff who taught the Catalans on the total football philosophies which are incorporated in their academies from young till these days.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 30 2010, 04:47 PM)
While the Masch himself is warming the bench tongue.gif
I guess that's his main role now warming the bench and defending his place on the bench tongue.gif Not like Barca needs any defensive player last nite
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 30 2010, 04:47 PM)
While the Masch himself is warming the bench tongue.gif
You are not exactly correct, Pep may not bring in those philosophies but its the way its already imbued in Pep's DNA on how Barca should play, after all, he's a born & bred in Barca academy.
Its not Rijkaard who bring these footballing philosophies, though he did woke them up from their slumber under van Gaal, it is Cruyff who taught the Catalans on the total football philosophies which are incorporated in their academies from young till these days.
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I could be wrong but i remember Rijkaard was the one started to play Xavi in central when he was deciding him or De La Pena, or was it Van Gaal and he saw the potential how Barcelona should play. Yes he didnt start off very well and Pep did improve it. As for Cruyff he was more like a 1 man show player not sure how he actually benefit these New Barcelona side with Xavi had most assist last season. For me Xavi was the main player that Barcelona could play so well but thats just me tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 30 2010, 05:22 PM)
if i remember correctly it was Rijkaard who started the style, when he was deciding to choose De La Pena or Xavi to play on central football. Guardiola playing style was more like Xabi but Xavi is diff. I didnt remember Barcelona was playing this kinda footballing.. was more like 1 man show previous with Ronaldo and same goes to Cruyff he was like 1 man show player as well tongue.gif
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huh, is de la Pena still there when Rijkaard was the boss? tot he long time disappear into obscurity?
Anyway, what i mean is the club's passing football philosophies not individual style.
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yea sorry wasnt really reading what you have said.. but i've editied what i have said tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 30 2010, 05:22 PM)
if i remember correctly it was Rijkaard who started the style, when he was deciding to choose De La Pena or Xavi to play on central football. Guardiola playing style was more like Xabi but Xavi is diff. I didnt remember Barcelona was playing this kinda footballing.. was more like 1 man show previous with Ronaldo and same goes to Cruyff he was like 1 man show player as well tongue.gif
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Actually de la Pena was transferred to Lazio in 1998, roughly 5 years before Rijkaard took the helm. And the Barca adopt the passing game since Cruyff's days, but since he quit, the style varied a little, but still the main passing philosophy was there the whole time.

One sample to show, I forgot in which year (I'm sure you are very familiar with Barca's opponent in this vids tongue.gif), this was pre Rijkaard days:


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QUOTE(matyrze @ Nov 30 2010, 06:02 PM)
Actually de la Pena was transferred to Lazio in 1998, roughly 5 years before Rijkaard took the helm. And the Barca adopt the passing game since Cruyff's days, but since he quit, the style varied a little, but still the main passing philosophy was there the whole time.

One sample to show, I forgot in which year (I'm sure you are very familiar with Barca's opponent in this vids tongue.gif), this was pre Rijkaard days:


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QUOTE(kevafk @ Nov 30 2010, 06:10 PM)
guess i was wrong lol.. but that was 2001 if im not mistaken, Marc Overmars score the goal in the vid
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Yeah I also think it was in 2001, because iinm that Barca manager was Serra Ferrer, based on his bald head laugh.gif
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remember, rafa's liverpool destroyed barca in CL as recent as 2007... its a damn strong barca too. 2nd leg defeat in anfield never been so sweet smile.gif

in fact, rafa's liverpool destroyed all europe big guns from 2005 till recently..

man.. how i miss liverpool in CL..
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It's time for Kelly and Wilson to step up given how Carra wont be around til late Feb/ Early march.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 30 2010, 06:40 PM)
remember, rafa's liverpool destroyed barca in CL as recent as 2007... its a damn strong barca too. 2nd leg defeat in anfield never been so sweet smile.gif

in fact, rafa's liverpool destroyed all europe big guns from 2005 till recently..

man.. how i miss liverpool in CL..
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see how tough Carragher as person. His shoulder is discolated yet he act faster than his manager by shouting at Krygiakos to replace him.
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i think carra can be our good manager in the future. he looks very firm.
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wilson will replace carra for steau match.. anyone know when is the match?

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Who is gonna wear the armband now i wonder? Reina or Torres?
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Who is gonna wear the armband now i wonder? Reina or Torres?
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Reina mostly. I don't think Torres will be wearing it ever. If not then Meireles? I think he took control of his position pretty well at CM.
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Sure? Whats the reason behind it? Is he rested?

Speaking of armbands, if mascherano is around, he will become captain for sure but too bad he went for glory.
Not sure how frequent he plays in Barca, but last time i checked he didnt even play in the recent Clasico. Busquets is still the preferred choice by Pep.

Rather sit on Barca bench than playing for us..Ahem...damn..


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ehem.. when is the match? any broadcast on astro?
torres rested, wilson may start
captain is between reina and soto

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surely reina is the captain. the lad deserve it.

we can afford to lose this game so hopefully the young uns get the chance to play and prove themselves.

carra out for 3 months.. long time but good for him. the good man need the rest.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 1 2010, 11:33 AM)
surely reina is the captain. the lad deserve it.

we can afford to lose this game so hopefully the young uns get the chance to play and prove themselves.

carra out for 3 months.. long time but good for him. the good man need the rest.
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i kinda think the lost of stevie & carra.. give the team a chance to test something new..

wilson/kelly should grab the chance to impress
meireles +lucas=good progress
4-4-2 with maxi on left (lef footed on right side), (he would be switch to the right when joe cole is back),
maxi gave more threat on left than on right (wish he can improve his scoring ability)

what will make the team perfect.. another injury .. for koncheskY (i dont want him to broke his leg, fever is enough)
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Carra as Liverpool manager? Sorry but I think it's not really a good idea

language is a very very big problem. unless the players are from Liverpool city itself it's near impossible to understand the local slang

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Reina deserved the armband..and I see the pairing of Mereiles-Lucas is much more better than Gerrard-Lucas.
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Wilson will partner Sotirios Kyrgiakos at the back - and the pair are likely to be joined in defence by Fabio Aurelio and Martin Kelly.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...but-scot-starts

And the very same article, Hodgson talks about dropping as much as 6-7 players for keeping them fresh for Aston Villa match.

Expecting lineup like this.


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Cole Poulsen Shelvey Jova

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 1 2010, 02:46 PM)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...but-scot-starts

And the very same article, Hodgson talks about dropping as much as 6-7 players for keeping them fresh for Aston Villa match.

Expecting lineup like this.


Jones
Kelly Krygiakos Wilson Aurelio

Cole Poulsen Shelvey Jova

Babel Pacheco



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Actually I like this formation. There is a mix of youngsters who can prove themselves and some elder and experienced players to balance it up. I hope they can prove to RH they can be in the 1st lineup as well, esp. Wilson who I haven't see him play for our 1st team matches yet. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Dec 1 2010, 02:51 PM)
Actually I like this formation. There is a mix of youngsters who can prove themselves and some elder and experienced players to balance it up. I hope they can prove to RH they can be in the 1st lineup as well, esp. Wilson who I haven't see him play for our 1st team matches yet. smile.gif
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If that's the line up I guess Soto is the Captain. If not, then it'll be Joe Cole.
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QUOTE(matyrze @ Nov 30 2010, 06:02 PM)
Actually de la Pena was transferred to Lazio in 1998, roughly 5 years before Rijkaard took the helm. And the Barca adopt the passing game since Cruyff's days, but since he quit, the style varied a little, but still the main passing philosophy was there the whole time.

One sample to show, I forgot in which year (I'm sure you are very familiar with Barca's opponent in this vids tongue.gif), this was pre Rijkaard days:


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Uhhh ~ Buy a new centre back ? How bout Agger and Krygiakos ? Cant they replace Jamie ? Rotate the 3 of them as our centre back ..
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Uhhh ~ Buy a new centre back ? How bout Agger and Krygiakos ? Cant they replace Jamie ? Rotate the 3 of them as our centre back ..
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if the new lad who cost 12 million pounds is good. i like ot see agger and the new guy pairing up together.
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QUOTE(xMika @ Dec 1 2010, 05:19 PM)
Uhhh ~ Buy a new centre back ? How bout Agger and Krygiakos ? Cant they replace Jamie ? Rotate the 3 of them as our centre back ..
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Agger still injured but last i know we still got few youngster which quite decent, i remember Ayala play few 1st team game last season. i dont think we need a new CB unless *touch wood* we got another CB injured, we should consider loan instead
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Centre back again doh.gif , we are always looking for back or defending midfield. I though we should look for attacking midfield and striker.
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Uhhh ~ Buy a new centre back ? How bout Agger and Krygiakos ? Cant they replace Jamie ? Rotate the 3 of them as our centre back ..
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ayala, agger and wilson.. we have enough CB.

12m is way to expensive.
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ayala, agger and wilson.. we have enough CB.

12m is way to expensive.
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12 million for a CB... depends who.
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need an experienced and commanding fullback.. carra & kyrgiakos are the only experienced one.. need someone to lead at the back.. so a new cb could be priority...

..ayala is good enough.. hope he is not loaned for permanent.. (sigh)


Added on December 1, 2010, 8:10 pmliverpool may recall ayala from loan. great! hes doing so well at Hull

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Kinda annoyed that many supporters are saying that Carragher being out is a good thing. Granted, Soto is in the form of his life, but aerial prowess aside is he any faster or a better passer than Carra? God forbid either one of him or Skrtel pulls a hamstring in our next game? mad.gif

Play the young ones? No problems? Bah... bullcrap I'd say. CB is the one position where I do not think it is a good idea to start a young player every match. Mistakes there are often punished, and too much hurt can kill one's confidence and stunts development.

Also, I have a certain line of thought/theory on youngsters. Notice how most get a chance in the 1st team, have a great debut but after a run of good games fade away? I don't think it is merely down to being tired, but more to being 'found out'. With tv coverage etc, every single move you make and your preferences will be analysed by everyone. And they learn to deal with you eventually. It is how you adapt to this that really defines how good a player you will become.

For example, Insua. Great debut and a couple of good months. Then everyone realised that he was slow to turn, and has the acceleration of a Myvi. He's now being loaned out, and as far as i know he's not doing too well either.

Same goes for players like Aaron Lennon and Wright Phillips (although this fella sure isn't young anymore!). Good breakthru season, then found out to be one footed and as such turned into lemons overnight.

Bale is one footed too iinm, and just mark my words... his star will fade soon enough, unless of course he learns to cope.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 1 2010, 09:45 PM)
I'm getting older and grumpier by the day!

Kinda annoyed that many supporters are saying that Carragher being out is a good thing. Granted, Soto is in the form of his life, but aerial prowess aside is he any faster or a better passer than Carra? God forbid either one of him or Skrtel pulls a hamstring in our next game? mad.gif

Play the young ones? No problems? Bah... bullcrap I'd say. CB is the one position where I do not think it is a good idea to start a young player every match. Mistakes there are often punished, and too much hurt can kill one's confidence and stunts developement.

Also, I have a certain line of though/theory on youngsters. Notice how most get a chance in the 1st team, have a great debut but after a run of good games fade away? I don't think it is merely down to being tired, but more to being 'found out'. With tv coverage etc, every single move you make and your preferences will be analysed by everyone. And they learn to deal with you eventually. It is how you adapt to this that really defines how good a player you will become.

For example, Insua. Great debut and a couple of good months. Then everyone realised that he was slow to turn, and has the accleration of a Myvi. He's now being loaned out, and as far as i know he's not doing too well either.

Same goes for players like Aaron Lennon and Wright Phillips (although this fella sure isn't young anymore!). Good breakthru season, then found out to be one footed and as such turned into lemons overnight.

Bale is one footed too iinm, and just mark my words... his star will fade soon enough, unless of course he learns to cope.
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cant agree more with this one. The thing with youngsters is, when they first start, they wanna impress, they give their all...so it seems like they impress a lot, if not contributing to goals, they are applauded for their effort. But after a certain period of time, the novelty wears off and their "true level" is shown. Then it takes longer time to improve themselves. Examples for MU is like Nani, Anderson, Chicharito etc...started brilliantly, then dip in form. Nani has found his touch back, Anderson is starting to and Chicharito have much more to prove other than his early blitz.

Bale is same case as Nani, when he first caught attention of media, he is GOOD. Then tottenham bought him, and lack of experience + injury caused him to be benched a lot, and only start to hit gear recently.
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And as for spending more money on centerbacks, didn't we sell off a certain Jack Hobbs to Leicester? Surely he's not that bad, seeing the Leicester loves him and he's earmarked for a place in the U21s? I doubt we got anything close to 12 million big ones for him...

I remember him being a tad slow, but a fantastic-ish debut he had too for us.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 1 2010, 09:45 PM)
I'm getting older and grumpier by the day!

Kinda annoyed that many supporters are saying that Carragher being out is a good thing. Granted, Soto is in the form of his life, but aerial prowess aside is he any faster or a better passer than Carra? God forbid either one of him or Skrtel pulls a hamstring in our next game? mad.gif

Play the young ones? No problems? Bah... bullcrap I'd say. CB is the one position where I do not think it is a good idea to start a young player every match. Mistakes there are often punished, and too much hurt can kill one's confidence and stunts development.

Also, I have a certain line of thought/theory on youngsters. Notice how most get a chance in the 1st team, have a great debut but after a run of good games fade away? I don't think it is merely down to being tired, but more to being 'found out'. With tv coverage etc, every single move you make and your preferences will be analysed by everyone. And they learn to deal with you eventually. It is how you adapt to this that really defines how good a player you will become.

For example, Insua. Great debut and a couple of good months. Then everyone realised that he was slow to turn, and has the acceleration of a Myvi. He's now being loaned out, and as far as i know he's not doing too well either.

Same goes for players like Aaron Lennon and Wright Phillips (although this fella sure isn't young anymore!). Good breakthru season, then found out to be one footed and as such turned into lemons overnight.

Bale is one footed too iinm, and just mark my words... his star will fade soon enough, unless of course he learns to cope.
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That doesnt mean the youngster should not be given any chance, they are the future. Carra cant play forever, Gerrard either, risk must be taken.

yes cb is very important in any team, watch how evans cost man u in their 1-0 lost last night.

Pairing an experienced cb+youngster can give them a huge boost.
But if both pairs are youngster, things could change.

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world class defend but lack of attacking option still will concede goal.. how long the defensive line will handle the pressure from opponent especiallty team like chelsea..
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7k+ views only...other big 4 clubs have atleast 20k+ views...but who cares? Liverpool 4 life!!! YNWA!!!


Added on December 2, 2010, 12:50 amwe have enough defenders...but maybe a new left back...sell konchesky(never like him)...we need a new winger and a new striker to ease Torres ^^

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Give wilson a chance.....we havent even seen enough of him yet...
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1522595/+220#entry38209003

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Its a double edge sword if u ask me. Ever wonder why Agger can command 1st team at 23 years of age, which is young for a CB esp for a club like us. Now Mikel San Jose is doing well in the heart of defence for Bilbao against the might of RM & Barca no less, he's like 21,22? Though its easier to be a young CB in midtable teams since they can have a run of games to build up awareness. Notice how many CBs that are young playing for those teams.
It all boils down to the trust a coach have on his CBs & the youngster determination. Though as greenhorn, mistakes will be in their game, they suppose to have determination to make the grade, easier said than done I must say. But if they don't have the resolve how are they going to make it?
Its a very delicate balance, too much exposure/pressure will kill their confidence, too little will stunt their growth. Esp for a position like cb where a mistake most likely result a goal for opposition.
As for Lennon & SWP, everyone knew they're one dimensional & strength which is pace, but problem is to stop them which most players cant keep up with. Same for Bale who has pace galore plus body strength which makes it almost impossible to stop. But for his former coach to say he can reach Messi level is almost laughable, for he doesn't show any technic nor vision that Messi have.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 1 2010, 10:04 PM)
And as for spending more money on centerbacks, didn't we sell off a certain Jack Hobbs to Leicester? Surely he's not that bad, seeing the Leicester loves him and he's earmarked for a place in the U21s? I doubt we got anything close to 12 million big ones for him...

I remember him being a tad slow, but a fantastic-ish debut he had too for us.
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Rmb him as hot prospects but seems shattered after his mistakes against Reading. Considering there's few more CBs behind him, maybe the club feels that he's expendable. Though who knows, maybe in few years he'll be a top CB in the country.
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QUOTE(SomaCruz89 @ Dec 2 2010, 12:46 AM)
7k+ views only...other big 4 clubs have atleast 20k+ views...but who cares? Liverpool 4 life!!! YNWA!!!


Added on December 2, 2010, 12:50 amwe have enough defenders...but maybe a new left back...sell konchesky(never like him)...we need a new winger and a new striker to ease Torres ^^
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Dude...we have 7k views because this is a new thread, and we have been opening new threads like every 2-3 months because of the immense response. biggrin.gif
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I love how you spoilered all but the 'grumpier by the day part' laugh.gif

Agree with the centerbacks developing better at midtable sides though... less pressure to perform and more leeway for mistakes. Probably explains why CBs are getting more expensive and most of those playing in top sides are bought from elsewhere.
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nice read from RAWK about youth recruitment between us (and everyone else in PL) with barca.
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Dispelling the "Barcelona model" world view

I'd like to raise a few points that can hopefully, once and for all, terminally kill the view that we can grab 11 kids off the streets of Huyton and conquer the world, because that's what Barcelona do.

Point 1 - Geography

The argument put forth is usually that Barcelona consists of nothing but kids who have grown up within spitting distance of Sagrada Familia, and that all of their players are "local" to the town.

Imagine if you will that Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta and co are British.
The following is the equivalent distance they were born from LIVERPOOL:

Pique - Liverpool
Valdes - Birkenhead (5 miles)
Busquets - Formby (10 miles)
Xavi - Warrington (15 miles)
Bojan - Leeds (70 miles)
Puyol -  Solihull, Birmingham (85 miles)
Iniesta - Aberdeen, Scotland (245 miles)
Pedro - Kiev, Ukraine (1,400 miles)
Jeffren - Kiev, Ukraine (1,400 miles *actually born in Venezuela but moved aged 1)

Then you have Messi who was born and raised in Argentina.

So I hope you salute our young upcoming locals such as Nathan Ecclestone of Manchester, Jonjo Shelvey of Romford, Danny Wilson of Livingston and of course Dani Pacheco of Barcelona.

Think about this next time you wish to emulate Barcelona and their "local" team, they are as guilty as any other team of scouring far and wide for the best players.

2. Competition

In England you are only allowed to sign players within 1 hour's drive of your club, your "catchment area".  This can be exploited by moving the player's family, but this relies on the child not already being snapped up by another big club and thus removing a large incentive for moving.

That means with local rivals Espanyol aside the nearest teams for Barcelona to compete with are:

Mallorca - an island 130 miles away
Villareal - 155 miles away and in a town almost half the size of Wigan
Zaragoza - 160 miles away, a team bottom of La Liga

And that is not including Birmingham and Aston Villa who are only 80 miles away.

If we had the same competition as Barcelona you could easily argue we could well have Gerrard, Carragher, Rodwell, Richards, Rooney, Giggs, Scholes, and *shudder* the Neville's, and as the point above shows they'd all easily count as "local".

3. Work Permits

Picture the scene.
In the year 2000 a Scouse scout gets on the wrong plane, his dyslexia has kicked in and he hasn't got on the flight to Almeria but to Argentina.
He lands to find a country in economic turmoil, and suddenly spots a tiny lad playing football.
He beams, he has found the new Maradona - his bosses will be delighted he has found the player that will one day bring league titles back to Liverpool.

He arrives back at Melwood with tales of this young boy.  The club contact the boy's family, unfortunately he has no grandparents with a European Passport so they put the phone down and forget about the boy.

A Spanish club arrives one month later and signs the boy, growing up to become Leo Messi.

Without a European passport, or one in the family a player must either go the Sebastien Leto route of forgery or must have played 75% of his country's matches - providing his country has an average FIFA ranking of at least 70 over the past 2 years.

A hard task for an 11 year old.

4. Reserve Team Football

Currently our reserves play in the Northern section of the Premier League Reserve League, playing 9 other teams.
A league in which Birmingham, Spurs, Fulham and Stoke have turned down the chance to field a team in.

Barcelona have their youth team in the 2nd Tier of League Football (currently 5th) playing against teams that only a few years ago we played in the Champions League (Betis).

5. Money

Barcelona spend tens of millions on kids.

Keirrison was signed for  €14 million and has not played for Barcelona since.  Having loan spells at Benfica, Fiorentina, and now Santos.
Martin Caceres was signed for €16.5 million and has since been sent to Juventus and Seville on loan
Henrique was signed for €8 million and is another yet to play a game for Barcelona and is another on his second loan spell

These players are by no means write-offs but can you imagine we spent 30 million on 3 kids and then sent all 3 on loan to 2 clubs, even 3 in some instances.

Due to the fact they have so much money these players go under the radar and are considered investments, we simply cannot do that.
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Not to take anything from Barcelona, but this interesting read does put things in better perspective.


Added on December 2, 2010, 12:14 pmoh, i got ninja-ed!

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Its also worth pointing out that most mid table teams (especially in England) setup their teams from the back onwards. Their tactics evolve around maintaining shape and the defenders are not really required to do anything else other than to just defend. The tactical aspect of the game is quite restrained, so the requirement and the expectation is rather minimal. Therefore, imo, its far easier to blood in a CB.

Where as an attacking team tend to build their team around the midfield onwards and operates much more dynamically. The defensive players are required to be step out of their comfort zone and be able to execute a lot more than just defending. They need to be tactically sound (high defensive line, game awareness, covering spaces etc) and have the necessary attributes (ball control, passing, speed) to keep up with the attacking aspect of the game. This is why we normally see seasoned CBs in the top teams, unless the player is vastly talented i.e. Pique.

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The call to play more youngsters seems to be gaining strength in most Liverpool forums, fueled by barcelona's apparent 'success' no doubt.

However, who will the fans blame when things go pear shaped? How many of the 'youths are the way to go' brigade are actually patient enough to let the young ones learn from their mistakes?

Sigh.
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QUOTE(xMika @ Dec 1 2010, 05:19 PM)
Uhhh ~ Buy a new centre back ? How bout Agger and Krygiakos ? Cant they replace Jamie ? Rotate the 3 of them as our centre back ..
Kyrgiakos is hardly one for the future being only a couple of years younger than Carra. I've no idea why Hodgson doesn't fancy Agger. It's probably because he isn't your typical old fashion centreback who is built like a tank and turns like one as well. They are kind of redundant these days with there being less typical English centreforwards. Of the centrebacks I've seen play to date, I don't think any are good enough at this stage of their careers to play week in, and out against Europe's best bar Daniel Agger. Skrtel is erratic and his lack of pace results in too many silly fouls in dangerous areas. Carra peaked for about 3 seasons and approaching his mid 30's, his form will gradually go downhill. Ayala didn't impress me in the game's that he's played in. Haven't seen Kelly play at centreback so I can't comment. Haven't seen Wilson either but he's one for the future and may or may not develop into a first team player. We can't sit on our laurels and wait before looking for a replacement. Our defending has been shambolic this season and although some of this can be attributed to Mascherano leaving, I think it has also to do with the lack of quality we have in this department. I must conceed however that there are other areas that need strengthening more urgently like leftback.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 1 2010, 09:45 PM)
Also, I have a certain line of thought/theory on youngsters. Notice how most get a chance in the 1st team, have a great debut but after a run of good games fade away? I don't think it is merely down to being tired, but more to being 'found out'. With tv coverage etc, every single move you make and your preferences will be analysed by everyone. And they learn to deal with you eventually. It is how you adapt to this that really defines how good a player you will become.

For example, Insua. Great debut and a couple of good months. Then everyone realised that he was slow to turn, and has the acceleration of a Myvi. He's now being loaned out, and as far as i know he's not doing too well either.

Same goes for players like Aaron Lennon and Wright Phillips (although this fella sure isn't young anymore!). Good breakthru season, then found out to be one footed and as such turned into lemons overnight.

Bale is one footed too iinm, and just mark my words... his star will fade soon enough, unless of course he learns to cope.
I completely agree. It's fine if you are just that good and no one can stop you even if you are a one-trick-pony but most aren't. I'd liken Bale to Riise who was extremely right-footed as well. Scored some good goals like that belter against Man Utd and the good finish against Everton, but struggled after as opponents started to push him onto his weaker foot.
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FC STEAUA BUCHAREST VS LIVERPOOL
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QUOTE(mr.dede @ Dec 2 2010, 04:09 PM)
FC STEAUA BUCHAREST VS LIVERPOOL
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i beleive maxi will score!!!!!!!!!!!
come on reds


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hope tonite will be "good friday nite" drool.gif  drool.gif
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lol. maxi was excluded tonite.. he will be rested along with other stars inluding torres, kuyt, glen, meireles and konchesky
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Theoretically, that's true BUT you gotta have faith in the Liverpool kids. This is their time to shine and their time to step it up for a place in the first team. I hope they don't draw and RH goes on saying they did well draw is good enough bla bla bla. When you lose, you lose, When you draw, you lose, When you win, You win. There is only winning.
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Kyrgiakos is hardly one for the future being only a couple of years younger than Carra. I've no idea why Hodgson doesn't fancy Agger. It's probably because he isn't your typical old fashion centreback who is built like a tank and turns like one as well. They are kind of redundant these days with there being less typical English centreforwards. Of the centrebacks I've seen play to date, I don't think any are good enough at this stage of their careers to play week in, and out against Europe's best bar Daniel Agger. Skrtel is erratic and his lack of pace results in too many silly fouls in dangerous areas. Carra peaked for about 3 seasons and approaching his mid 30's, his form will gradually go downhill. Ayala didn't impress me in the game's that he's played in. Haven't seen Kelly play at centreback so I can't comment. Haven't seen Wilson either but he's one for the future and may or may not develop into a first team player. We can't sit on our laurels and wait before looking for a replacement. Our defending has been shambolic this season and although some of this can be attributed to Mascherano leaving, I think it has also to do with the lack of quality we have in this department. I must conceed however that there are other areas that need strengthening more urgently like leftback.

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Agger like to bring the ball from back to upfront, even score on himself.

May be the manager doesn't like the CB bombarding forward time, some managers don't like as they view leaving gap behind.
Some managers don't like their defender overlapping one.
Some managers like their defenders also defend deep.
Some manager like to have centreback that is muscular and look more fierce one. tongue.gif


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Agger like to bring the ball from back to upfront, even score on himself.

May be the manager doesn't like the CB bombarding forward time, some managers don't like as they view leaving gap behind.
Some managers don't like their defender overlapping one.
Some managers like their defenders also defend deep.
Some manager like to have centreback that is muscular and look more fierce one.    tongue.gif
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Agger like to bring the ball from back to upfront, even score on himself.

May be the manager doesn't like the CB bombarding forward time, some managers don't like as they view leaving gap behind.
Some managers don't like their defender overlapping one.
Some managers like their defenders also defend deep.
Some manager like to have centreback that is muscular and look more fierce one.    tongue.gif
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RH small gas, dun like him since he critisize his defensive style of play. anyone forgotten? just not so long ago...
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Look...
Every department is important...
Dont understand why some are still uncertain about Gary Cahill's possible transfer of 12million...
I think those are yet to see this guy plays for Bolton...
Carra and Soto are going down, you'd know, their age smile.gif

With the likes of Skrtel and fitness-problematic Agger as first team assuming....
You really want to depend on young centre backs?
cmon, wilson or ayala or whoever it is, it is not good enugh!!!

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Starter : Reina, Kyrgiakos, Wilson, Kelly, Aurelio, Poulsen, Shelvey, Jovanovic, Pacheco, Babel, Cole
Subs : Jones, Lucas, Ngog, Skrtel, Eccleston, Flanagan, Robinson
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oh yes pacheco and babel will play !! oh a I miss jova too ..
reina the captain ??
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yeah.. great line up.. it's worthy to stay awake.. even we got beaten up, i'll enjoy watching the game.
Where is Spearing btw?

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yeah.. great line up.. it's worthy to stay awake.. even we got beaten up, i'll enjoy watching the game.
Where is Spearing btw?
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Good lineup, don't think Shelvey is good enough though
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QUOTE(Flicx @ Dec 3 2010, 01:30 AM)
Big match for Poulsen biggrin.gif

Good lineup, don't think Shelvey is good enough though
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jovanovic scored?
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Jovanovic scored from header!
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jova scored.. eat that RH !!

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joe cole was a joke.. kygiakos make mistakes a lot today.. and why on defending set pieces.. i cant see any liverpool player challenging for header
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haihz,conceded soft goal!
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soto hit the crossbar.!ngog for cole pls
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oh man...reina kept getting bombarded because of the poor defense, its no surprise liverpool was gonna concede a goal,

the midfield is non existence untill lucas arrival was like a godsend

there's no understanding and chemistry in attacking, cole is dissapointing, babel is getting slow, pahecho having a bad day

but oh well a draw is better than losing...
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At times i thought i was watching reserve football. No chemistry, disjointed and unimaginative.
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Poulsen is officially a crap!
did't know what to do, did't do what has to be done...
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we qualified for the next round although we played below par

if this Team hav been playing a few games together, we would hav been better

anyway, an away draw is a good result for this particular time and the sad thing thing is tat we still cannot win AWAY doh.gif


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At times i thought i was watching reserve football. No chemistry, disjointed and unimaginative.
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I know it was our 'B' team but ffs, we're playing in Europe not some reserve league. We had Pacheco, Jova, Babel and Joe. These are pacey players and did we use their forte to our advantage ? No. We seemed content to sit deep and just stay there till the final whistle. To think we used to be feared in Europe and now this team cowered in the sight of the mighty Steaua Bucharest is upsetting.

Im all for giving the youth run outs but at least have the decency to make use of them.


Steaua Bucharest were poor.
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Poulsen did the same thing aaaagainn..

Case 1
Saw the opposition with the ball
Ran to him
Soft touch to the opponent
Opponent pass the ball to teammates
Poulsen ran deeper
Watch and let the ball run away
Went deeper, not realizing he was close to the keeper

Case 2
Saw the opponent with the ball
Wait for him to come
The opponent go away
Ran deeper and watch the ball went away
Went deeper, not realizing he was close to the keeper


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Reina thought it was offside...

poor result agains poor team

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laugh.gif i'm proud of my team, i thought they played well. sure steaua is a good team, one of the top in europe and its not an easy place to play at. overall i'm very proud of my boys especially poulsen. he played well today. you can see that we defended very well and did not panic when we conceded and managed to hang on to the draw.

(on pacheco)
you can see why he has not started in the PL yet. he is not ready

(on reina's own goal)
it was a mistake that we could have avoided. he is a world class keeper and its was a stupid mistake. if not for him we could have won. we do have a shortage of keepers in the club. i hope we can shop for a keeper come january because a strong backline is essential. if not for poulsen we could have conceded more, judging from the amount of attempt on goal that they had. he is the spanish goal keeper, he should not have made that mistake.

(on jovanovic)
it was a great goal from a great player, one of the top strikers in europe for a long time now and tonight he proved it

(on cole)
i am glad to have him back, to come back and give such a great performance is expected from an england international like him.

(on the woodwork)
i think fifa should consider to adjust the position and size a little bit to make the game interesting. another foot to both sides will surely benefit the game. we could have easily be sitting on top of the league had the goals been wider. that has been our season so far. we had no luck.

(on rafa benitez, although was not asked)
you can see he is struggling in inter. i am sad because i used to be there and had fond memories there. liverpool must be glad they had the better coach now

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Babel made some nice crosses too,
Pacheco should be played more to polish is skill,
Cole, he is too slow doh.gif
Poulsen , should not hav TOO many backpasses doh.gif
Reina, if not for him, we would hav lost by 1 vs 3 thumbup.gif
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Well, last night did show that despite having the talent, some of our younger players aren't quite ready.

Some of them would have been murdered in the EPL based on what we saw last night, so will the clamor for "Out with the old, youths in now!" from us fans please stop.

The lads need more game time, so hopefully we'd get a long run in cup competitions. Build up their confidence and at the same time let them learn from their mistakes.

The 'reserve league' seems to be a joke. How does the 'Team B' thing work in Spain? They play in a lower league right, but how much lower and do they get promoted/relegated? it would be awkward if say Chelsea B or Man City B ends up playing in the championship and gunning for promotion to the premiership, no?
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I didn't watch the game and I'm confused cause I'm getting mixed reviews here from you guys. Some of you guys say they played well and some said otherwise. So can I get an expert on this? How was the possession percentage like? How many shots on goal for Liverpool compared to the other team? Passing accuracy?
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did RH said anything that i said? lol
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Btw, I tot we played better in the 1st half. Scored from our first attack if memory serves right. 1 or 2 good pass from Pacheco. Good display from Babel. He used to play on the right mid in his first season. Good goal by Jova. We conceded to many corners.

2nd half not so good. We seems content to defend the 1 goal lead. I think that was the instruction from our manager. When we put the players behind the ball n only Babel left upfront, its just a matter of time before we concede. I tot the goal could have been flagged offside because of the interference from the Steaua player. But unfortunately, our defenders did not move up fast enough. As usual, we started to attack after that.

on the players:-
Reina - commanding display except for the goal.
Pacheco - Good 1st half. poor 2nd. Btw, his willingness to close down opponent is almost Kuyt-sque
Babel - Few dangerous run. Better ball control
Jova - Work hard, not much a threat except for the goal
Defenders - Slow at times
Joe Cole - seems rusty.
Jonjo - invisible

Ngog - not much understanding with the rest

I can understand if RH want to defend the lead and play on the counter. But we should just have keep possession at midfield rather than defending deep and invite pressure to ourselves.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
Well, last night did show that despite having the talent, some of our younger players aren't quite ready.

Some of them would have been murdered in the EPL based on what we saw last night, so will the clamor for "Out with the old, youths in now!" from us fans please stop.
Oath. I've been saying since last season that even Ayala who was touted to be the most promising of our youngsters doesn't look ready for first team action. Of the other youngsters I've seen, Kelly looks the most promising. I doubt Jay Spearing will improve much as he's already 22 which is about the time you should be breaking into the first team. Well unless you're Stephen Warnock who only graduated at 24.
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not a very good game. but job done. it's good to see the young getting some exposure. they are not all bad but not solid either. it's expected for them to struggle when they instructed to sit and defend deep.

i agree that most of the young uns not ready for prime time yet but some does. kelly, wilson, pacheco and eccelstone should be be given a decent try on some PL games.

why RH don't play babel in PL? and despite his age, aurelio is the best leftback we have at the moment. if only his leg is not made of glass.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
Well, last night did show that despite having the talent, some of our younger players aren't quite ready.

Some of them would have been murdered in the EPL based on what we saw last night, so will the clamor for "Out with the old, youths in now!" from us fans please stop.

The lads need more game time, so hopefully we'd get a long run in cup competitions. Build up their confidence and at the same time let them learn from their mistakes.

The 'reserve league' seems to be a joke. How does the 'Team B' thing work in Spain? They play in a lower league right, but how much lower and do they get promoted/relegated? it would be awkward if say Chelsea B or Man City B ends up playing in the championship and gunning for promotion to the premiership, no?
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The B teams of Spanish clubs play competitively but they cant be promoted to the same division of their A team. Currently if not mistaken Barca B is playing in Segunda Liga ie Championship in UK. Thats the furthest they can go even if they win the league since Barca is in Primera Liga.
In a way, the B team plays more competitively in Spain. But most other B teams is in 3rd of 4th division.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Dec 3 2010, 09:03 AM)
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laugh.gif i'm proud of my team, i thought they played well. sure steaua is a good team, one of the top in europe and its not an easy place to play at. overall i'm very proud of my boys especially poulsen. he played well today. you can see that we defended very well and did not panic when we conceded and managed to hang on to the draw.
steaua lying on 7th in league, & very inconsistent prior to meeting us.


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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 3 2010, 10:19 AM)
Well, last night did show that despite having the talent, some of our younger players aren't quite ready.

Some of them would have been murdered in the EPL based on what we saw last night, so will the clamor for "Out with the old, youths in now!" from us fans please stop.

The lads need more game time, so hopefully we'd get a long run in cup competitions. Build up their confidence and at the same time let them learn from their mistakes.

The 'reserve league' seems to be a joke. How does the 'Team B' thing work in Spain? They play in a lower league right, but how much lower and do they get promoted/relegated? it would be awkward if say Chelsea B or Man City B ends up playing in the championship and gunning for promotion to the premiership, no?
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I dont think it was so much a personnel issue. It was the tactics that really prevented the younger lads to shine. If we can be honest, the line up looked quite attacking, yet they seem clueless to string together more than 4 passes. It was obvious we lacked a leader to rally the young lads. I love Pepe but we needed an outfield player to be amongst them. Someone like Lucas would have helped the team greatly, especially when all they needed was a natural passer in the central mid to start off build ups. I've watched our reserve team football and they've more attacking than last nite's display. Remember a couple seasons ago when we were through the CL group and Rafa let the youth play against PSV ? We destroyed them - admittedly we had Robbie Keane then. Last nite was really atrocious, our most forward player was about 10 yards in our own half most of the time. There was no way players like Pacheco can have any sort of impact in this setup. Like i said, we shown more desire and chemistry in reserve football than last nite.

The reserve league is very much a joke in England. Most of matches gets cancelled and you dont even play against the best teams out there i.e. Arsenal, the mancs. Theres no real competetion. I would like to see it in EPL but i dont think it will happen. In Spain, the team B cant be promoted to the same league as team A so they stay a league lower or get relegated to even lower league.

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I still firmly believe that playing our young guns in the PL at the moment, with the amount of pressure on the team to perform and the quality of our tactics and general form will result in them being murdered, first by the opposition and then by the media and us fans.

Who will we turn to then? God forbid - Poulsen???
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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 3 2010, 12:34 PM)
I dont think it was so much a personnel issue. It was the tactics that really prevented the younger lads to shine. If we can be honest, the line up looked quite attacking, yet they seem clueless to string together more than 4 passes. It was obvious we lacked a leader to rally the young lads. I love Pepe but we needed an outfield player to be amongst them. Someone like Lucas would have helped the team greatly, especially when all they needed was a natural passer in the central mid to start off build ups. I've watched our reserve team football and they've more attacking than last nite's display.  Remember a couple seasons ago when we were through the CL group and Rafa let the youth play against PSV ? We destroyed them - admittedly we had Robbie Keane then.  Last nite was really atrocious, our most forward player was about 10 yards in our own half most of the time.  There was no way players like Pacheco can have any sort of impact in this setup. Like i said, we shown more desire and chemistry in reserve football than last nite.

The reserve league is very much a joke in England. Most of matches gets cancelled and you dont even play against the best teams out there i.e. Arsenal, the mancs. Theres no real competetion. I would like to see it in EPL but i dont think it will happen. In Spain, the team B cant be promoted to the same league as team A so they stay a league lower or get relegated to even lower league.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 3 2010, 12:34 PM)
It was the tactics that really prevented the younger lads to shine. If we can be honest, the line up looked quite attacking, yet they seem clueless to string together more than 4 passes.
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Real football is not a football manager game.
Put up your line-up, then let the result roll in.

A manager is responsible to fill in the line-up, tactic, and tell the players what to do for the tactic, and which had been practised 100x in training ground.

This is why players need training day in day out and being guided along the way.

Liv players currently look like lack of cohesion and clueless on the pitch.
It is not like a team.
More like national team that being assembled over a few days ago. <-- most national team like playing is like that one




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does Arsene Wenger ever released any tutorial video or book on coaching? he can replace any player any time and still look like the same team...
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QUOTE(Petre @ Dec 3 2010, 03:19 PM)
does Arsene Wenger ever released any tutorial video or book on coaching? he can replace any player any time and still look like the same team...
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i wish he did.. but wait till he get some trophy..
i cant believe roy really wanted to transform pacheco into a winger... he hardly contribute anything last nite..
but when he drove to the middle, i can see what he try to do with his slick pass..
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Added on December 3, 2010, 3:50 pmand another nice article found from internet

Fans Are Wrong For Poulsen, Proof


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QUOTE(Petre @ Dec 3 2010, 03:19 PM)
does Arsene Wenger ever released any tutorial video or book on coaching? he can replace any player any time and still look like the same team...
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Our manager has 35 years experience as well...... whistling.gif

It is same with AF as well, players in and out, the team play still play more like the same, may be sometimes individual error or moment of lack of concentration that cost the game.

One thing similar is that they are bombarding opponent most of the time and team has good understanding among players.


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i wish he did.. but wait till he get some trophy..
i cant believe roy really wanted to transform pacheco into a winger... he hardly contribute anything last nite..
but when he drove to the middle, i can see what he try to do with his slick pass..
FULL HIGHLIGHTS
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QUOTE(seizer @ Dec 3 2010, 03:48 PM)

Added on December 3, 2010, 3:50 pmand another nice article found from internet

Fans Are Wrong For Poulsen, Proof
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So let us play Poulsen every game then. Stats and percentages when used like the way he does often tells you only what you want to know. So we lost more games with Poulsen not in the side. Tell me then, is he so sure that with Poulsen in we would have won?

Football is not an individual sport, there are 10 players out there on the field, and to be honest, out of all the times I have seen him in a Liverpool shirt, Poulsen has only looked half decent and interested ONCE.

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that article is-half sarcasm .lol
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No, i think that fella is dead serious. He seems to enjoy taking the unpopular view.
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It is absurd to even suggest that Poulsen be dropped. He's our most important player in our squad.

With him stabilizing our midfield, Lucas now actually looks like a Brazilian midfielder.
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well, if we take statistics seriously, on the average every human being in the world has one testicle.

i don't dig stats, the same to the one stating that lucas has the highest percentage of passes completed. eg, carra and reina can keep passing to each other in the penalty box for 90 minutes and they will have 946 passes each in a match with 100% successful passing rate. that is statistics for us. in reality, they'll be nothing more that shit hanging on a stick (quoted from someone a couple years back). wink.gif

watch the match and you'll know whether that player played well, or not. you don't judge a player from the statistics compiled by analysts who god knows if they even know how to play football.

poulsen, so far, has not impressed anyone, millions of people who has watched games he was in can't be collectively wrong in having the same opinion. regardless of whether he's a defensive midfielder or whatever position he's in, and there's no way to compare poulsen with masch.

i'm secretly thanking our lucky stars to come away with a point yesterday, we were completely outplayed and reina probably seen the most of the ball in the liverpool team. squirmed between his legs, that's unfortunate, but to be truth we could've conceded more from other attempts but for his saves.
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Roy rumoured to be sack soon


Liverpool are rumoured to be set to be axe Anfield boss Roy Hodgson and have lined up a move to bring in former Barcelona boss Frank Rijkaard. New owners NESV have stood by the club’s embattled manager but have begun to run out of patience following recent defeats at Stoke City and Tottenham and have now given him three games to save his job.

Hodgson sees his side go up against Aston Villa at home on Monday and then the Merseyside club travel to St James’ Park to take on Newcastle United before they entertain Fulham at Anfield. If Liverpool do not show a marked improvement during these three matches it is believed the 63 year old will be axed.

Meanwhile Frank Rijkaard waits to take Hodgson’s place and the Dutchman appears to be edging out Martin O’Neill as the likely replacement with the Dutchman ready to take over having been sacked by Galatasaray in late October.

Owners John W Henry and Tom Werner are keen to resolve any managerial changes before the January transfer window opens as they would be wary of handing Roy Hodgson more funds to bring in new additions that any prospective replacements would not be keen on.

The appointment of Damien Comolli as Director of Football was thought to be the first stage in the club’s attempts to change the responsibilities the Liverpool manager is in charge of and this continental style of management is more likely to suit Rijkaard than former Aston Villa manager Martin O’Neill




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The ground share idea has crept up again. I know most of the supporters from Liverpool itself will be less than keen on this (or more likely be preparing to riot at this very moment sweat.gif) but what do you peeps feel about it?

Me? I'm an accountant laugh.gif so you pretty much can guess my thoughts on this. It makes little economic sense to have two monstrous buildings next to each other that do virtually the same thing, and only one of which can be used for its primary purpose at any one time. Note that I said 'economic' sense and not 'emotional' sense.

The way I see it, the only way to increase Anfield's capacity is for us to fill up the corners or building upwards. Problem is, if i recall correctly, there is little space in the corners as it is, and to build up you need space. Which means buying up those houses directly adjacent to Anfield... Possible - we can always relocate them to the Stanley Park piece of land but coupled with building costs for those new homes and compensation payment might come up to be more expensive than building a new stadium doh.gif

Between having NO increase in seating capacity and a ground share, I would begrudgingly pick Ground Share.


Added on December 4, 2010, 2:14 amOh forgot to add, Kelly and Pacheco signed contract extensions. It is up to you guys to decide if this is an indication that they have a future at Liverpool or merely a ploy to keep their resale values respectable.

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So let us play Poulsen every game then. Stats and percentages when used like the way he does often tells you only what you want to know. So we lost more games with Poulsen not in the side. Tell me then, is he so sure that with Poulsen in we would have won?

Football is not an individual sport, there are 10 players out there on the field, and to be honest, out of all the times I have seen him in a Liverpool shirt, Poulsen has only looked half decent and interested ONCE.
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A. To break up play and stop the other team attacking. To stop goals being scored. To prevent Liverpool from losing.
unfortunately, there's no statistic of his 'tackling' or 'winning back possession' or 'shots blocked' or 'passes intercepted'.. so based on the stats given, even if he made 100 of terrible back-passes to the opponent striker then the striker keep missing the chances, he still a good defensive midfielder as no goal was conceded...

anyone intercept Jova's celebration? I think he tried to say he is staying after a lot of rumours about him leaving. he even kissed the badge..
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A few guys on RAWk have rightly pointed out that a groundshare won't work because Everton won't be able to fork put the money needed to build 'their' half of the stadium laugh.gif

Most of the rest have only managed to churn out stuff like "F*ck groundshare!", "No way, f*ck sharing with our retarded neighbours!", "It is our tradition at stake, for f*cks sake!" or "Just f*cking stay and expand Anfield!" though shakehead.gif

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And since I seem to have had one too many cups of coffee and as such is unable to fall asleep, I would try to bore myself to bed by harping on another issue that seems to be discussed quite often nowadays...

Steven Gerrard's best position - by now we have all read the pros and cons, and everyone and his dog has voted on the issue. But what about this take on it (adapted from something me dad thought me about money a loooooong time ago sweat.gif)

Taking into account that Gerrard can pretty much play in all the outfield positions except for maybe CB...

Gerrard should play in the position in which he represents the biggest step up from the next best player.

I would believe that on paper, our strongest 4-4-2 setup, without Gerrard and based on Woy's line of thought would be


------------------ Torres ---------------------

------------------- Cole ----------------------

Maxi ------ Lucas ----- Meireles ------ Kuyt

Konchesky - Skrtel - Carragher - Johnson

-------------------- Reina --------------------


Torres, Skrtel, Carragher and Johnson (which I would include as i don't exactly want to do a shebby here laugh.gif) are obviously superior in their favoured positions when compared to Gerrard.

So that leaves the 'hole', both wings, central midfield and leftback positions.

As poor as Konchesky is, I doubt that Gerrard would make a much better leftback than him. Konchesky at least can be relied to nominally stay in position, so people like Lennon will still have make the concious effort to run pass/around him whistling.gif

Meireles v Gerrard for the 1st slot in central midfield... Gerrard probably shades it here, but not by much. Meireles is a very good player when put in the middle of the park.

Kuyt v Gerrard on the right wing... On paper Gerrard is the better player but with Johnson at RB, Kuyt offers much needed discipline. Kuyt's pretty handy with assists too. I'd say Kuyt edges this one. He is also one of the few 1st team players who is not botak. Very important this.

Cole v Gerrard in the hole... On current form almost anyone is a better bet than Cole, but I'd prefer to think that his form will return. Cole might not have the power and aggresiveness of Gerrard, but he is much more sound technically and has that little bit extra trickery to unlock them packed defences. I'd keep him there.

So that leaves LW and CM.

Which one do you think represents the larger leap in quality? Gerrard v Maxi or Gerrard v Lucas?

Lucas for me is slowly maturing into a Deschamps kind of player. Water carrying mule he may be, but every team needs one. Unless of course if you prefer to hoof all the time and bypass the midfield altogether... oh wait, that's us doh.gif Still, in my books, playing Gerrard in Lucas' place is not much of an upgrade.

Poor Maxi's too inconsistent and is prone to doing sod all for 90 minutes on that left wing. So I think this is where Gerrard represents the biggest 'upgrade'. Only thing is, this is also where Capello likes to play Gerrard and is a position Gerrard patently seems to dislike playing. sweat.gif

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Gerrard best position is in the starting line-up.
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Agger, meanwhile, has been linked with Inter Milan and Wolfsburg and has not seen eye to eye with boss Roy Hodgson.

But the Dane is intent on staying at Anfield, saying: 'Liverpool can't force me out of the club even if they want to as I have got four years left on my contract. I expect Roy Hodgson to have the guts to tell me face to face if he doesn't want me.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz176Wy5cjt
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 4 2010, 10:01 AM)
Agger, meanwhile, has been linked with Inter Milan and Wolfsburg and has not seen eye to eye with boss Roy Hodgson.

But the Dane is intent on staying at Anfield, saying: 'Liverpool can't force me out of the club even if they want to as I have got four years left on my contract. I expect Roy Hodgson to have the guts to tell me face to face if he doesn't want me.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz176Wy5cjt
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 4 2010, 10:01 AM)
Agger, meanwhile, has been linked with Inter Milan and Wolfsburg and has not seen eye to eye with boss Roy Hodgson.

But the Dane is intent on staying at Anfield, saying: 'Liverpool can't force me out of the club even if they want to as I have got four years left on my contract. [cool.gifI expect Roy Hodgson to have the guts to tell me face to face if he doesn't want me.'[/b]
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz176Wy5cjt
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I LOL on the comment.

Agger has 4 years contract, while the manager has 2 years contract... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 4 2010, 03:33 AM)
A few guys on RAWk have rightly pointed out that a groundshare won't work because Everton won't be able to fork put the money needed to build 'their' half of the stadium laugh.gif

Most of the rest have only managed to churn out stuff like "F*ck groundshare!", "No way, f*ck sharing with our retarded neighbours!", "It is our tradition at stake, for f*cks sake!" or "Just f*cking stay and expand Anfield!"  though shakehead.gif
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Ok, if they are willing to drop dead & hand over 6 points a season playing with us for the next million years, & that they also must make sure they stop other teams (esp the top ones) from scoring /sharing points/ winning over them, when playing agst the blutonians... & oh... they must "destroy" the opposing teams. whistling.gif

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The planned lfc tour over this region during the summer is looking to expand the Liverpool experience (in hope/looking to add avenues to develop lfc too long term) . Call it blind faith, 'We are soo often always accused' , just in Nesv,base on their track record with u know who (world series) are 100x better over g&h (who were some cowboy hustlers looking to cash in on a swindle)

NESV will study what's the best long term interest in regards to the stadium. I'm do believe it won't be shared..
they have my confidence, we just now need to build on the new Liverpool fc team.( & showing results & trophies) wink.gif

And if it's means ditching "niceness". We were ruthless before, somehow it seems it's not everyone cup of tea. I even think were weren't ruthless merciless even then.

Agger, will (still) be around. cool2.gif

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so much for the pairing of our future CB skrtel and agger

can someone remind me what happen to skrtel, that fella look like he's being haunted by ghost or something for a year now.

Agger, injuries and problems with manager

as if we haven't had enough problems doh.gif
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Sols, pls admend the the title to reflect this weekend's match

thanks
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Sols, pls admend the the title to reflect this weekend's match

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7 December, 4am... gash... another medical leave for liverpool tongue.gif
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Tuesday 7 November 2010

Barclays Premier League
LIVERPOOL VS ASTON VILLA
ESPN (CH812) & ESPN HD (CH832) 3.55 am LIVE


taken from here

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1522595


New deals for Kelly and Dani


New deals for Kelly and Dani
3rd Dec 2010 - Latest News



Liverpool have today confirmed youngsters Dani Pacheco and Martin Kelly have signed new contracts at Anfield.

Pacheco has signed a two-year extension taking his contract to 30 June 2014, while Kelly has signed a three-year extension, also taking his contract to 30 June 2014.

Liverpool snapped up Spanish prodigy Pacheco from Barcelona in the summer of 2007.

He made his first-team debut as a substitute against Fiorentina in December 2009 and has since added 12 more appearances to his tally.

The 19-year-old was top scorer at this summer's European U19 Championships, helping Spain to reach the final.

England U21 defender Martin Kelly came through the Academy before helping the reserves to win the league in 2007-08.

His senior debut then came as a substitute in a Champions League clash with PSV in December 2008.

The 20-year-old has 15 appearances to his name.


BEST NEWS FOR THE WEEK

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tues a pub hol right ? shud be alright for some, come on, a home win a must imo !
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Torres scoops award

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Fernando Torres has been voted as the ESPN PFA Fans' Player of the Month for November.

The Spain star turned in a stunning performance against Chelsea, bagging a brace against the reigning champions at Anfield, before finding the back of the net at Wigan.

Torres faced competition from Gareth Bale of Tottenham, Arsenal's Samir Nasri and Sunderland striker Asamoah Gyan for the accolade, which was voted for by supporters.


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...es-scoops-award

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Report: Damien Comolli lines up French signings at Liverpool

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According to The People, Comolli has been told to target players in their early-20s by Liverpool's owners.  Comolli is using his knowledge of the game in France to target some of Ligue Un's finest young talents in January and next summer.

Topping the list is Lille's Belgian wonderkid, midfield playmaker Eden Hazard , who scored against Liverpool in the Europa League last season.  According to The People, the Reds will also target striker Loic Remy , who moved to Marseille over the summer.  St Etienne's attacking midfielder Dimitri Payet and Lille centre-back Adil Rami have also been identified by Comolli as possible targets.

Meanwhile, Borussia Dortmund's highly rated Serbian centre-back Neven Subotic is also reported to be a Liverpool transfer target.

The People comments that the Anfield club will also need to offload players, naming Glen Johnson , Daniel Agger, Ryan Babel and Fabio Aurelio as possible current stars to be sold in order to raise funds for new signings.


http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-arti...iverpool/12435/
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liverpool has about 6 moths to decide wether to move to new stadium/ improve anfield.or groundshare... if forgot where is the source...
but nesv said they need to think about it carefully...
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http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-arti...iverpool/12435/
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instead of saying one liners like 'no to groundshare fullstop', it would be nice if you guys could at least try and give reasons for not wanting it.

i would expect that us, being strictly OOTs, would have a different view as compared to the locals. i also lament the old days of this forum when we actually tried to get a discussion going. sad.gif
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groundshare, no. why? John Houlding.

remember when you formed, out of the greed and selfishness of Houlding? to capitalize on our success, to fill Houlding's own coffers? and he had the cheek to call you Everton Athletic, how shameful can that man stoop?

back to the present. honestly don't think a groundshare would work, not for us at least. if we did, you would revert to the selfishness that characterizes you Reds. I can envision you Reds demanding an unfair agreement using the clout of your borrowed funds, the 'prestige of the past'.

so no, a groundshare would only benefit LFC, it isn't mutual. not when one party isn't ready to concede that Merseyside is as much blue as it is red (sorry, Tranmere).
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I am surprised that no one wants to rebutt the evertonian laugh.gif

Come on old timers, if this isn't enough to get you guys posting again, nothing will!
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ground share? no..

there's a couple of reason why most reds dont want ground share with everton.. but the obvious one is: PRIDE. some say why not because the milan's groundshare works well but in terms of attendance i think both milan has a pretty big attendance record on most games which i'm doubtful everton can do that on bigger stadium.

didn't henry winter said himself that they will try to look a way to expand anfield first before planning to do a new stadium. they've done that with fenway park am i rght?

again to be honest, my main reason for saying no is PRIDE tongue.gif




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From my perspective, shared or not shared doesn't matter much.

The most important for club future is to have bigger capacity stadium.
Enough talk talk talk and no action. NATO for years, and not a single seat being added, which is detrimental for club future.
This has to be done soon.
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ground share? no..

there's a couple of reason why most reds dont want ground share with everton.. but the obvious one is: PRIDE. some say why not because the milan's groundshare works well but in terms of attendance i think both milan has a pretty big attendance record on most games which i'm doubtful everton can do that on bigger stadium.

didn't henry winter said himself that they will try to look a way to expand anfield first before planning to do a new stadium. they've done that with fenway park am i rght?

again to be honest, my main reason for saying no is PRIDE tongue.gif
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see? that's the sort of myopic, patronizing responses you Reds are always on. standard attendance for Everton is 95+%, while standard attendance for LFC is 94+%. not quite a giant gap is there, considering Anfield only seats 5,000 more? and it's populated by sardine-eating norwegians & "soccer" watching Yanks?

a groundshare wouldn't be Juventus/Torino as many of you overseas Reds would envision. it's Inter/AC.

more numbers for you Reds to consider. check the attendance section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C._records

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Liver...ics_and_records

you're not as 'big' as you think, yeah?

and also note the record low attendance when you were in the 2nd Division. which only goes to prove most Reds are fairweather. heh.

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QUOTE(katnl @ Dec 6 2010, 06:17 PM)
see? that's the sort of myopic, patronizing responses you Reds are always on. standard attendance for Everton is 95+%, while standard attendance for LFC is 94+%. not quite a giant gap is there, considering Anfield only seats 5,000 more? and it's populated by sardine-eating norwegians & "soccer" watching Yanks?

a groundshare wouldn't be Juventus/Torino as many of you overseas Reds would envision. it's Inter/AC.

more numbers for you Reds to consider. check the attendance section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C._records

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Liver...ics_and_records

you're not as 'big' as you think, yeah?

and also note the record low attendance when you were in the 2nd Division. which only goes to prove most Reds are fairweather. heh.
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it's generally an accurate source, given the consensus of those who edit. so go on, edit if you can. if you feel that badly about it.

a Red would always be a Red. just diverting the issue from the truth. and pwn? sure. if you say so. you Reds would say anything to convince yourselves.

it's fine, Moz. Red and Blue, you know what it'll always be like. up the toffees!

some more data for you, hope this one is reliable enough for you heh.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/history/records/attendances

and if you know your history...

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QUOTE(katnl @ Dec 6 2010, 11:23 PM)
it's generally an accurate source, given the consensus of those who edit. so go on, edit if you can. if you feel that badly about it.

a Red would always be a Red. just diverting the issue from the truth. and pwn? sure. if you say so. you Reds would say anything to convince yourselves.

it's fine, Moz. Red and Blue, you know what it'll always be like. up the toffees!

some more data for you, hope this one is reliable enough for you heh.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/history/records/attendances

and if you know your history...
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we don't command such a large fan base as you from across the park. but we aren't far off, if you look at the figures correctly. my main point was never which is the bigger club, it is to retort on some callous remarks that should we groundshare, everton are incapable of drawing attendance to matches.

admit it. a fair lot of Reds are fairweather, it's just a trend for them. the premier league to them consists of 4 clubs only, that's how bad it is.

and that is indeed right, Mike. much as I hate to agree with a Red, Barca are the greatest club in the world.

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QUOTE(katnl @ Dec 6 2010, 11:51 PM)
we don't command such a large fan base as you from across the park. but we aren't far off, if you look at the figures correctly. my main point was never which is the bigger club, it is to retort on some callous remarks that should we groundshare, everton are incapable of drawing attendance to matches.

admit it. a fair lot of Reds are fairweather, it's just a trend for them. the premier league to them consists of 4 clubs only, that's how bad it is.

and that is indeed right, Mike. much as I hate to agree with a Red, Barca are the greatest club in the world.
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Technically, I think you missed out a point. No, it's not solely on fan base when it comes to attendance.Are you trying to say the opponents your team facing have no fans? Probably, 75% attended were their fans and 25% were urs..Or the other way around...You never know.So, what makes it something to brag about and to show that ur club is "big" club because of the god damn attendance?

I m not sure about whether or not Everton capable of drawing attendance cause maybe at the end of the day, ppl attended the match because of the opponent Everton facing and not Everton itself...

Fair enough, no?
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Technically, I think you missed out a point. No, it's not solely on fan base when it comes to attendance.Are you trying to say the opponents your team facing have no fans? Probably, 75% attended were their fans and 25% were urs..Or the other way around...You never know.So, what makes it something to brag about and to show that ur club is "big" club because of the god damn attendance?

I m not sure about whether or not Everton capable of drawing attendance cause maybe at the end of the day, ppl attended the match because of the opponent Everton facing and not Everton itself...

Fair enough, no?
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there's a specific breakdown by home & away attendance in soccernet. you might want to check that out, the data shown for attendance isn't misleading, instead you might have misinterpreted it methinks.

and no, the point isn't about how big a team is. it's about capability to fulfil a ground, which Everton has no problem doing unlike implied by a certain Red who like I said only thinks there's 4 clubs in England.
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If anything, securing enough $$$ to actually build the stadium could be a problem for both teams. Liverpool aren't exactly rich, and I doubt Everton are that much sounder economically either. I would think that the preferred option for Liverpool would be to redevelop Anfield, while for Everton it would be that Tesco stadium/shopping complex thing? Both of which got rejected by the council?

I honestly think that if the local Liverpool council is so game to include development of the immediate area around the stadia, and so insistent on improving the local economy blah blah blah, they should get off their fat arses and be the ones building the shared stadium. Or at least part of it, and then lease it back to the teams.
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QUOTE(katnl @ Dec 7 2010, 01:26 AM)
there's a specific breakdown by home & away attendance in soccernet. you might want to check that out, the data shown for attendance isn't misleading, instead you might have misinterpreted it methinks.

and no, the point isn't about how big a team is. it's about capability to fulfil a ground, which Everton has no problem doing unlike implied by a certain Red who like I said only thinks there's 4 clubs in England.
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Even for cup final?Cup final attendance, again, din show which sides have more attendance, no?
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Even for cup final?Cup final attendance, again, din show which sides have more attendance, no?
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it does. broken down by single matches, for each side. can't seem to find the link now though, let me have a look again.
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i wish we had that same lineup this season..
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i checked back a few hours later and wow.. a toffees actually come here.. cant remember the last time..

anyway i'm sorry if my statement is incorrect because i talking out of my ass where i thought it will only be read by fellow reds. i also didnt have time to check the fact before posting.. my bad.. by the way, i never say the PL has only 4 clubs nor that i believe it ever. i'm too old to convinced myself shit like that..

but since u mention soccernet have the attendance record i have to check myself.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attenda...-league?cc=4716

i admit i am wrong to claimed everton cant pull crowd and i'm sorry for that but still.. this is an honest question, could you pull 95% and up attendance on 65k seater stadium?
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I find it quite astounding that Man Utd is so far ahead in their average attendance, a good 15k over Arsenal. Is Old Trafford THAT much bigger compared to Emirates? Also quite surprised that Chelsea ranks lower than I thought - really do wonder if they would be a Fulham-like mid-table team had Roman not bought them over a few years ago.
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i checked back a few hours later and wow.. a toffees actually come here.. cant remember the last time..

anyway i'm sorry if my statement is incorrect because i talking out of my ass where i thought it will only be read by fellow reds. i also didnt have time to check the fact before posting.. my bad.. by the way, i never say the PL has only 4 clubs nor that i believe it ever. i'm too old to convinced myself shit like that..

but since u mention soccernet have the attendance record i have to check myself.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attenda...-league?cc=4716

i admit i am wrong to claimed everton cant pull crowd and i'm sorry for that but still.. this is an honest question, could you pull 95% and up attendance on 65k seater stadium?
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hi, short walk across Stanley Park. thanks for the courtesy.

Kirkby was originally projected to seat 50k. given season ticket holder stats and attendance, don't think Everton would have a problem with that. consider also we've managed to almost sell out Goodison at every other game. Goodison, a ground which like it or not belongs in the 90's. a new, modern ground would be attractive to even the most casual Evertonians I would say.

as for 65k, it's hard to say. conventional wisdom says no, not for Everton, not for LFC. Liverpool has a population of around 4m, Manchester has a population of 7m+. United averages 75k or so per match, including the massive tourism and fan imports from everywhere. does the city of Liverpool has that appeal? on it's own, don't think 65k is a practical choice. overly optimistic, I must say. has the Yank optimism got to you guys or what?

correct me if I'm wrong.
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Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Konchesky, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Meireles, Lucas, Kuyt, Maxi, Babel, Ngog. Subs: Jones, Kelly, Aurelio, Poulsen, Cole, Jovanovic, Shelvey
No Torres tonight. Babel comes in as the Spaniard's wife has gone into labour

looks like 442 for me ..
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I find it quite astounding that Man Utd is so far ahead in their average attendance, a good 15k over Arsenal. Is Old Trafford THAT much bigger compared to Emirates? Also quite surprised that Chelsea ranks lower than I thought - really do wonder if they would be a Fulham-like mid-table team had Roman not bought them over a few years ago.
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QUOTE(mamet @ Dec 7 2010, 03:13 AM)
Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Konchesky, Skrtel, Kyrgiakos, Meireles, Lucas, Kuyt, Maxi, Babel, Ngog. Subs: Jones, Kelly, Aurelio, Poulsen, Cole, Jovanovic, Shelvey
No Torres tonight. Babel comes in as the Spaniard's wife has gone into labour

looks like 442 for me ..
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Its stated in the official website.
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babel will replace him
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I thought Torres did a 'Masch', u know...
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after what G&H have done.. it would be rather naive to be optimism about anything that still on the planning board. also honestly, on current LFC form i must admit anything bigger than 55k or so will be hard to fill in. since the PL explode on TV, the attendance not really up to populations alone anymore. as you said earlier it's a trend to follow the big team. so the team form played a major factor too.

nando is out.. his wife olala is in labour. good luck to him; may god protect both mother and child! rclxms.gif

fairly confidence we could bag at least a point for this game.

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btw, pls sub out Konchesky and Maxi mad.gif
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ngog, lucas, played well.. maxi is more on defensive rule.. konchesky did improved... but his positioning, well he still leave gap behind
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Good football overall. It looks like the players are starting to gel. Quick to close down opponent, winning 2nd ball. Well, Villa did not pose much threat.

Koncheskey - good performance so far
Johnson - poor game. Slow and look most likely to lose the race with their winger
Maxi - keeping up pressure on their defense. I think he will score in 2nd half provided that he tries to have simple goal
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Babel - Link up well wit Kuyt. I always think they have gud chemistry. Glad he makes the full of his chance tonight.
Defense - did ok. Soto covered Johnson in few occasions.
Reina - ok except for the bad pass
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despite the scoreline it was not a good football, we still look un-organized but everyone did a good job except maybe for Kuyt.... I spent a lot of time cursing his name with combination of F words thru out the game...
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Did I saw Alonso in the stands just now?
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Wasnt Xabi on 4 days ban or something? What does he do during that time?

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Meireles was running the show, he's better in that free role position. The captain should be back for the next match. Finger crossed.

Sweet revenge over Villa, who beat us last season 1-3.
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Wasnt Xabi on 4 days ban or something? What does he do during that time?

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no torres no gerrard...won 3-0...happy days!! rclxm9.gif



3 players standout for me...

lucas - he'll become our legend..outshone raul & great great assist for babel


babel - he still care...work tirelessly for the entire 90minutes...great finish for the 2nd goal


Ngog - he's maturing & improving..hold the ball well..linking up with others..good assist & finishing!!

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where are we now in the table?

joint 7th?
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waiting for the highlight..
only managed to woke up at 73m

well done Liverpool.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 7 2010, 06:36 AM)
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they dont say best fan in the world for nothing! rclxms.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(kimimaro_kun @ Dec 7 2010, 07:04 AM)
waiting for the highlight..
only managed to woke up at 73m

well done Liverpool.
shocked to have Babel on scorer list
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Somebody update the title to indicate yesterday score, good result, can?

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Nice touch that. I still vividly remember the warm welcome fans gave Houllier after he came back from heart surgery. Good that some have not forgotten he once won us 5 cups in 1 season. The infamous "Mickey Mouse treble", so says them mancs. Was a pulsating UEFA Cup final as well. If you didn't watch the game and only read the papers you'd have thought it went to penalties. 5-4 after extra time. In the last decade we've been part of the greatest European finals. Who let the reds out? Hou... Hou... Houllier. Sadly his one dimensional football made us predictable and easy to defend against. Was time to part ways.

One man team? I never agreed with that and once again the team has shown that we are ready for life after Gerrard. We were unfortunate not to have got a point at least from White Heart l
Lane but were rewarded for our endeavor and positive approach this time round.
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nice to see babel score.
ive never been a fan of babel but its sad to seem him not getting the chances to shine as i now feel he should.

for a long time, we've not been a one man team. if anything, we've actually played better without Stevie G and Torres. Pretty funny eh.

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Pleased for the win, pleased for the team and Roy. Just hope we can keep this momentum going.

What a player Lucas has turned up to be this season. He has been immense. That pass to Babel was sublime. It looked kinda clumsy but its not by any means easy to execute. If you can recall few games back where Meireles repeatedly tried to execute the same type of pass but to no success. And all Meireles had to do was cushion the ball towards his man. But last night, Lucas first had to receive the ball with his back facing the goal, then with one seamless move, controlled the ball, made a quick turn to face the goal which also shielded him from a Villa player before finally ending the sequence with a lob to Babel. That was such a joy to watch.

I think its clear as the blue sky that Lucas and Meireles as the CM pairing is the way forward now. They are both tactically astute and play their football 'smartly'. The pairing is well balanced and they compliment each other well.

Also pleased for Babel. Its good seeing him 'enjoying' his football once again.

What a shame that we shipped out Aqualani, just imagine if we had him in the team in a diamond formation which is still a variation of 442:-


Babel/Ngog -- Torres

Gerrard

Aqualani -- Lucas

Meireles

Konchesky -- Skrtel -- Agger -- Glenn

Reina


Tell me thats not a strong team that is capable of playing good attacking pass and move football. Dont understand why we had to loan him out and got Poulsen in.



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very happy with the win,plus the fact tat babel shown why he should be use more often in BPL matches,im a big torres fan,but i dont mind babel getting to play as often as torres if he can perform well nod.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 7 2010, 11:32 AM)
nice to see babel score.
ive never been a fan of babel but its sad to seem him not getting the chances to shine as i now feel he should.

for a long time, we've not been a one man team. if anything, we've actually played better without Stevie G and Torres. Pretty funny eh.
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Another higlights

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LOL.. here it come again 'we played better without Gerrard and Torres' statement? despite the scoreline, I must say it was a very low standard of football, both team gave away the possession way too cheaply, meanwhile, the away team are forced to start with at least three of their youth players. the winner is just the one that made less mistake. SO if that was our 'better' performance then maybe I need to start lowering my expectation... I still can't understand this 'one man team' philosophy.. just because we have one player who constantly plays better than others, does it mean that we need to get rid of him so that everyone will look equally matched? no one should be better than everyone? if yes than maybe we should start offloading our best players this January and get more of Lucas, Kuyt and co. and perhaps we can then challenge for the tittle..
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Dec 7 2010, 01:52 PM)
LOL.. here it come again 'we played better without Gerrard and Torres' statement? despite the scoreline, I must say it was a very low standard of football, both team gave away the possession way too cheaply, meanwhile, the away team are forced to start with at least three of their youth players. the winner is just the one that made less mistake. SO if that was our 'better' performance then maybe I need to start lowering my expectation... I still can't understand this 'one man team' philosophy.. just because we have one player who constantly plays better than others, does it mean that we need to get rid of him so that everyone will look equally matched? no one should be better than everyone? if yes than maybe we should start offloading our best players this January and get more of Lucas, Kuyt and co. and perhaps we can then challenge for the tittle..
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I take it you disagree that with Gerrard in the side, players feel compelled to give him the ball as much as possible, hence the saying, "stop Gerrard, you stop Liverpool"?

You miss the point when you suggest selling our stars. Every team has at least one standout performer. It is important however that the said performer remains part of the team and not be the team. It is but mere coincidence that the likes of Lucas and Mereiles have stepped up in his absence? No sane person would suggest willingly selling Gerrard but it's good to know we are capable of good football without him. Gerrard has bailed us out almost single handedly on numerous occassions but if it's mutually exclusive, I'd much rather the whole team do well than Gerrard alone.

There is no smoke without fire and I can see why people claim that we are a one man team. The way the press builds up Gerrard's importance leads readers to believe he alone determines our results on the pitch. Is it natural to let your most talented player see much of the ball? Of course but not to the extent we become predictable. Teams have tried crowding Gerrard out by putting to defenders on him and too often it looked like we had no plan B. Do Chelsea play through Lampard as much? Does Arsenal rely on Fabregas as much? Do the mancs rely on any one player? Fact of the matter is that Gerrard isnt exactly surrounded by mediocre teammates. I think that Mereiles and Lucas (ver. 2010) can match up to any other midfield pairing in the Premiership. I for one enjoy seeing the whole team sharing the ball more.
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Dec 7 2010, 01:52 PM)
LOL.. here it come again 'we played better without Gerrard and Torres' statement? despite the scoreline, I must say it was a very low standard of football, both team gave away the possession way too cheaply, meanwhile, the away team are forced to start with at least three of their youth players. the winner is just the one that made less mistake. SO if that was our 'better' performance then maybe I need to start lowering my expectation... I still can't understand this 'one man team' philosophy.. just because we have one player who constantly plays better than others, does it mean that we need to get rid of him so that everyone will look equally matched? no one should be better than everyone? if yes than maybe we should start offloading our best players this January and get more of Lucas, Kuyt and co. and perhaps we can then challenge for the tittle..
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" .. winner is just the one that made less mistake" - Isnt that the case for most football matches ? The winner team is almost always the one that commits the least mistakes and make the most of their chances. No one is saying we should sell Gerrard asap and denying his ability as a player. Rather we need to start making adjustments that removes him from being the main focal point of the team. We can still deploy him on the right side or even as a 2nd striker to help with the transition. This isnt an alien concept. It has been implemented in a lot of teams i.e. Henry for Arsenal, Ronalodhino at Barca, etc. Its about getting this team accustom to the idea of sharing responsibilities and becoming independent instead of relying on Gerrard as the main source for outlets and redemption. At some point, this team needs to grow out of Gerrard's shadow and the sooner we do this the less problem we'll face later down the road.
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QUOTE(leftist @ Dec 7 2010, 07:09 AM)
8th....7 point off 4th place! sweat.gif


Added on December 7, 2010, 7:12 am

maxi one of our best player???...except for his goal...he did nothing to shout about...Roy was right to replaced him...one of his low key quiet game nod.gif


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definitely.. i always rated him highly because Maxi just isnt a 1 on 1 winger.. he goes in the middle and come back to grab the ball when central midfield needs them.. he always does that it give more space for strikers and left wing back to go forward.. for me he is a key player for liverpool.. it doenst need anything to shout about like skilled you dont need that.. its all about team work.. and he does much better job than Babel or Cole on left side.. fact.. and one more thing his work rate is much better than alot other players.

P/S : as i said "is just my opinion" smile.gif and oh ya getting replaced is just not because he isnt playing well.. is because we're playing comfortably winning so it doesnt need to hardcore try to score more and just get someone in there to get some match fitness like Aurelio smile.gif

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lol.. whats most important is the team played well. villa didnt have the best player on the pitch, and who cares? we did what was enough.. the only negative is kuyt last night...
liverpool is not a one man team, ive waited long enough to find the truth, and the last 2 matches have shown it wasnt
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I read that they gonna have a Liverpool youth academy in Indonesia.. why not Malaysia??????
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Reina with another quick accurate counter attack pass to Maxi to set up liv 3rd goal rclxms.gif 3-0, 3 points, next match !

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interesting scenario for Roy Hodgson when Gerrard come back. Lucas and Meireless seem to provide a formidable pair at the center. Maybe Gerrard need to play behind Torres in 4-2-3-1 formation.
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thou, my point is those players still played the same level as they usually did. For example in the last night game, if it was against the much better, organized team, with that kind of performance, we could have lost the game. Both teams rarely made 5 successive passes before the possessions changed hands. At time, it's like watching a Malaysian super-league match. As I said, not to be blinded by the scoreline, if that what we call a 'step-up' performance by the lads then I'll personally be very disappointed. I will not going to compare us with other big guns, as they got 4-5 players of Gerrard caliber in their team cos they can afford to. So my point is, taking out the best player from the team is not the solution but what we need is to get more qualities that can deliver the same threat. Or maybe to set up a formation that involve more team-works in the build up play.. There is no one man team in football, it's just they way we see it when one player have done more with the ball compared to his team mates...
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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Dec 7 2010, 04:06 PM)
Reina with another quick accurate counter attack pass to Maxi to set up liv 3rd goal rclxms.gif 3-0, 3 points, next match !
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the best for me still riera's goal against bolton IIRC...

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watever it is .. i fancy 442 formation more over 451 ..

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i want to see Lucas+Mereiles partnership when we go to Newcastle...let see if this combo can work through on away match...
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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 7 2010, 04:45 PM)
i want to see Lucas+Mereiles partnership when we go to Newcastle...let see if this combo can work through on away match...
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between Lucas and the departed Masch, i will take Lucas any day from now onwards.......

btw, the 3rd Goal was the best, simple accurate and understanding between Reina,>Maxi,>Ngog and Maxi thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Dec 7 2010, 05:03 PM)
yup, but our attackers always lost their boots at away match
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Not attacker only, but whole team forget to wear their boot in away match.

1 win, score 5 goals since the season start, the stat speak all. One of lowest goal score in the entire league.
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why is that every win by Liverpool now under Woy comes as a surprise to me =.= I've been so pessimistic this season

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what will happen when gerrard return, 3 midfielders? i dont think RH will change this winning team.. and is kyrgikos fine? he was subbed with Kelly..
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Liverpool really need a second world class strike partner with Torres, while Torres known to be targeted by all the defenders. With second strike partner would help to take off those pressure. Not saying Ngog not good enough but hes not consistent. If we could get slightly better right winger with a new striker partner for Torres we might actually do good smile.gif

4-4-2 seems promising, Lucas did pretty good.. but i would play Gerard + Meireles anyday at central midfield
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QUOTE(seizer @ Dec 7 2010, 05:52 PM)
what will happen when gerrard return, 3 midfielders? i dont think RH will change this winning team.. and is kyrgikos fine? he was subbed with Kelly..
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Just heard the match commentator said Kyrgikos got cramp or something like that.
After with 3-0 and little threat from AV, no harm for the sub.

Do you think RH dare to bench Gerrard? tongue.gif



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 7 2010, 06:03 PM)
Just heard the match commentator said Kyrgikos got cramp or something like that.
After with 3-0 and little threat from AV, no harm for the sub.

Do you think RH dare to bench Gerrard?  tongue.gif
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hmm.. let me think.. RH dont even dare to drop his old pal, konchesky

found this 9 mins highlights, cant find better one, anyone got replay which show babel slicky move on the final third. awesome!
Longer highlights

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so Torres's son just born..let's congratulates him
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Dec 7 2010, 06:29 PM)
so Torres's son just born..let's congratulates him
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Then congratulate him. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(seizer @ Dec 7 2010, 06:14 PM)
hmm.. let me think.. RH dont even dare to drop his old pal, konchesky

found this 9 mins highlights, cant find better one, anyone got replay which show babel slicky move on the final third. awesome!
Longer highlights
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thumbs up!!!
i am eager to watch the longer highlights...
Wonder is there any replay on the full match at Astro?

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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Dec 7 2010, 08:20 PM)
thumbs up!!!
i am eager to watch the longer highlights...
Wonder is there any replay on the full match at Astro?
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i recorded the Whole match in HD, thumbup.gif where u stay?
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Dec 7 2010, 06:29 PM)
so Torres's son just born..let's congratulates him
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longer match highlight
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 7 2010, 08:43 PM)
i recorded the Whole match in HD, thumbup.gif  where u stay?
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 7 2010, 09:07 PM)
you should buat bisnes la...  whistling.gif
im sorry to ask this but im really really backlogged about LFC due to a hectic semester.

what happened to Joey?  sweat.gif
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no la, for private viewing, no business sense tongue.gif

Joe Cole, you mean doh.gif

he is as rusty as iron in the sea now...........
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 7 2010, 09:07 PM)
you should buat bisnes la...  whistling.gif
im sorry to ask this but im really really backlogged about LFC due to a hectic semester.

what happened to Joey?  sweat.gif
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joey who?cole?


ahh..we really need a right winger badly.everytime kuyt receive a pass, 9.5/10 i would expect him to lose the ball.poor 1st touch la that fella sweat.gif
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Yup they had few main players missing. We were also without Torres, Gerrard n Carra. It's more of the case that our replacements are better quality then theirs it seems.

I would like us to keep the Lucas-Meireles combo.

Let's face it, our football has been predictable for quite a while:-
1. Attack starts with Gerrard n pass to Torres. Torres does the magic n goal
2. Defender (or any player from deep) hoof to Torres

We make ourselves predictable with that kind of play. Last nite was a good team football becoz every player step up n take responsibility.

Once Gerrard is back, I want to see him play behind Torres in 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 with him just behind Torres. I would even consider him playing on the right since it worked quite well in Rafa's 1st season (or is it 2nd season?). But I think only Rafa has the gut to do that.

Anyway, for us to be less predictable we need others to be more involved in the attack build up. Lucas can play through ball as good as Gerrard. Merieles can shoot as good as well.

On the 3rd goal, it was counter attack football as its best. I notice that Reina always wants to play the ball early. But he can only do that if the player makes early run and find space. Last nite Maxi, did just that and it paid off with him at the end of that move.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Dec 7 2010, 09:18 PM)
Yup they had few main players missing. We were also without Torres, Gerrard n Carra. It's more of the case that our replacements are better  quality then theirs it seems.

I would like us to keep the Lucas-Meireles combo.

Let's face it, our football has been predictable for quite a while:-
1. Attack starts with Gerrard n pass to Torres. Torres does the magic n goal
2. Defender (or any player from deep) hoof to Torres

We make ourselves predictable with that kind of play. Last nite was a good team football becoz every player step up n take responsibility.

Once Gerrard is back, I want to see him play behind Torres in 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 with him just behind Torres. I would even consider him playing on the right since it worked quite well in Rafa's 1st season (or is it 2nd season?). But I think only Rafa has the gut to do that.

Anyway, for us to be less predictable we need others to be more involved in the attack build up. Lucas can play through ball as good as Gerrard. Merieles can shoot as good as well.

On the 3rd goal, it was counter attack football as its best. I notice that Reina always wants to play the ball early. But he can only do that if the player makes early run and find space. Last nite Maxi, did just that and it paid off with him at the end of that move.
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