its my turn to start the renovation since i got the key for a years and consider too long

and since im poor, no budget to hire ID, so i decide to do it by my self, looking for contractor one by one, and ask for quotation from each of them.
i try my best to reno for the part that really useful of it since my budget not allow me to do luxury reno

i divide the renovation part by part as following:

1) construction work(such as:cement, etc) - approx rm12k
- place cement at the place behind the house, (35X10)psft
- place cement at the place beside the car porch, b4 its lawn, (20X6)psft
- build up a store room at corner under staircase
- add one door at first floor master bedroom to belcony, b4 tat its window there
- add one concrete table top at dry kitchen, 11 feet
- add one concrete table top at wet kitchen, L shape, total 9 feet
- heighten the ditch border to prevent mug go into it, 60 feet
- enlarge main gate place, remove the pillar and re-build it at correct place

2) wiring
3) alarm - approx rm3000
- 23 vibration sensor
- 6 magnetic sensor
- 1 motion sensor
- 3 keypad
- hacking and conceal for all cable


4) plaster ceiling - approx rm5.6k
[color=purple][size=5]- 1st floor corner------ 8 X 9(feet) plain board + L Box light thru
- living hall ------ 15 X 19(feet) plain board + L Box light thru
- dining + stair corner---- 11 X 25(feet) plain board + cornice
- dry kitcthen------ 12 X 17(feet) plain board + cornice
- wet kitchen------- 7 X 10(feet) plain board + cornice
- utility room------- 6 X 10(feet) plain board
- master bedroom 2----- 21 X 16(feet) plain board
- 2nd flr living hall ------ 11 X 25(feet) plain board
- master bedroom 1----- 21 X 16(feet) plain board + L Box light thru

5) cabinet (kitchen, wardrobe, tv console, etc)
6) tinted
7) painting - aproxx rm4k

- painting for whole internal of my house as 2900psft built up area semi-d
- painting part of external bcoz some part of it become dirty when do reno.


8) auto gate system
9）grill door & window
10) maingate
11) plumbing
12)

these all already make me faint , hope i can last until all the jobs done.

ori house b4 reno

















This post has been edited by well: Mar 25 2011, 01:19 AM

plaster ceiling






cement works

place behind the house, place the cements on it and thinking of want to tiling or not


remove the main gate, b4 that just a "small" main gate, now want to enlarge the main gate and add on one small gate at right side, the floor still think of want to tiling or not


wet kitchen stove place, build up this "table top" and move the water pipe from left to right


build up store room, b4 that just a corner under the staircase



add this door so that can go out to the "belcony". b4 tat no door at this place

This post has been edited by well: Nov 27 2010, 11:26 PM

I wonder how one will need to clean the plaster ceiling at the corner part (where it sinks in) as over time it will collect lots of dust and maybe our friendly bugs might live in.

tats y alot ppl dun like do the L-box like tis, since want to make it, then need to clean it by ourselve oledi

Hi TS, where your house location?

I mind want to look contractor for quotation, do share with us your price here and workmanship comment.

I try to give all job to 1 ID but seems like the price is very high. They normally will give u lump sum amount.

Example, L Box at 10X11 cost 3K include the light, painting,wiring...all in 1. so very hard to split the price. unless i get the diff contractor quote on plaster ceiling price/psf ,wiring price, downlight....in this case i need to arrange my own which contractor need to start the job and which is last job.

please share with us ....

Agreed, but i still see alot of friends and members in LYN wanting to do the ceilings like this. I think it will be a hassle to climb up every 3 days to clean up that ceiling.

TS: Overall - looks ok.

Why hiring ID is so call expensive?

Hi,

I don't think anyone here said that hiring an ID is expensive. One of the commenter just said that the ID has quoted him a very high price.

Please read through properly before commenting yea.

This post has been edited by Shazzac: Nov 27 2010, 10:57 PM

hi there,

thanks for the support, sure i will share out my price with my comment, just give me sometime, i try my best to list down one by one, mayb the quotation i got is not the cheapest in the market, but its already the cheapest among the quotations from those contractors sent me. and sure we need to consider the workmanship rite?

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Added on November 27, 2010, 11:05 pmhi bro,

ya what i mean is, i gave to those ID to quote me for my house reno, but they price is really expensive and i don't think so i can afford it.
and no choice then i only choose to do it myself.
i didn't mean for all ID for sure.
no hard feeling ya

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Added on November 27, 2010, 11:07 pmya thanks for it u got wat i mean

This post has been edited by well: Nov 27 2010, 11:07 PM

btw, did u lay steel frame when u lay those cement/concrete on the lawn or earth? if not, be prepare to have 'cave in' later........if there is too much weight over it....just telling my experience.

after tat what happen on urs??

Many IDs actually sub-contract out the works so it is more often more expensive then you directly deal with the contractor.. But if the ID is taking care of your renovation from start to end, the extras is well worth .

Your house very nice... where is it?

I assume u should b very faint now.. grill first, then reno, then buy furniture, then electrical stuffs...

I don't see anyway to do it below 60k, unless u want to make it kampung house..

ya agreed. just i dun have the budget for it, so i force to use off my time to deal direct with contractor

but making the big house full is really a big job right?

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Added on November 28, 2010, 12:47 amwow.. u already one year get key but not yet renovate..

people will rush to move in one..
where is your place?

This post has been edited by epalbee3: Nov 28 2010, 12:47 AM

lol, my house located at kampung area, but doesn't mean to make it like kampung style, i will try to make it become modern.
and u r right, faint from the day 1 i start reno it, and one of the reason of faint is bcoz i wan to control the reno cost not over 100k.
60k? i also want it

do u mean 100k only for reno, or include everything like furniture and appliances?

i think people advise us not to choose branded.. shop around during year end sale will help..

i see my small house already want to faint already..

for me is quite big job bcoz i didnt make it b4, i didn't rush sure got reason, one of it is busy on my work, another one is bcoz i still got house to stay currently
and my house located at kampung like area, not kl for sure

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Added on November 28, 2010, 1:19 amunfortunately, 100k only for reno, not yet include furniture and appliances, my pain.
i dun think i will choose branded, but i also need to see the quality 1st

This post has been edited by well: Nov 28 2010, 01:20 AM

100k is already a lot.. and it must be cash too..

after spending big bucks on house, still need to pay for reno...

in fact developers should have done the normal things like grills and kitchen..

depend on house size i think, 100k i still headache on lack of fund, especially if wan to make it become modern and nice.
ya nowadays most of the developer just give the "basic" things for new house, and those things are useless and we need to change it for sure.
btw, i got saw ur post, why not u post some of ur house pic, then others forumers may can help u and quote u?just my opinion








This post has been edited by well: Nov 28 2010, 01:42 AM

O, had you read thru what well said? he/she said "and since im poor, no budget to hire ID, so i decide to do it by my self, looking for contractor one by one" I only comment base on that, please don judge by what u think please.

Hey Eleganz, Note the top where the TS has agreed with what I've mentioned in Post#10.

The other ID in this thread Erny, has never posted such questions asking 'Why hiring an ID is expensive?' because they know ID fees are high and if the house owner can manage the whole renovation by himself, why not skip the ID part?

This post has been edited by Shazzac: Nov 28 2010, 09:06 PM

Totally agree. To make a modern and nice house is very hefty. I spent almost 200k on it and it still looks like a normal house

OMG 200k and still look normal!??!?!! I bet your house looks really grand. A friend's sister, got her apartment done with about 35k (i think maybe 10 yrs ago) looks really good.

That is pretty thick top..... u plan to chop bbq pig there?

just imagine a bra without underwire..........it goes down. some tiles broke because the 'support' part is weak.........the best, put a steel bar as what my contractor said......even a tractor also can move over....

I think you get me wrong, i only reply on the 1st post, which i not quote the word, so that make you think i reply to other. And i just know that, in future, i should say what ppl had say, and not give my own comment, thank to teach me about this.

This post has been edited by Eleganz Concept: Nov 28 2010, 11:18 PM

ya, if i never reno my house, i never know the cost is so high

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Added on November 29, 2010, 1:41 am bcoz i keep telling the contractor to make it thicker, b4 he finish it, its really thin like very fragile, my mistake

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Added on November 29, 2010, 1:47 am need to double confirm with my contractor, but i think he got make it since i inform him b4 i start the reno

This post has been edited by well: Nov 29 2010, 01:47 AM

My house currently in reno too, cant wait to see end result

any progress to show??

Hi well, any price to update on reno at tis moment?

yes i want to renovate my kitchen with hob and gas cooker.how much leh ?

ya i will update in my first post compare few contractors for my kitchen cabinet, wardrobe, etc on last week;still not decide to take which one

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Added on November 30, 2010, 11:04 pmhod i also survey-ing the price now, but the gas cooker i already bought the fotile brand, price rm 6XX, will upload the picture once installed,

This post has been edited by well: Nov 30 2010, 11:04 PM

When renovating the house you have to look at the job scope done instead of price of renovation. Went to a housewarming in my friend's house and I estimated myself it can be done around 130-150k. My guess is the ID has been overcharging them for the renovation by 100k.

Well that's where I guess the impression that ID is expensive comes form.

OMG, if it's seriously by 100k extra, that's alot of money, man.

is hard to 'guestimate' if we are not aware of what material is being used... sometimes u can get a similar job done for 100K , or 150K, but both derives different material and quality.

Totally agreed with you !

Totally agree too, just example for tile, some 2 x 2 tile only cost 12/pcs, but some can go until 30/pcs, same to other material.

Can easily guess, tiles all that can easily guess and pricing can easily be found in tile shop. For my friends case it's MML homogenous 2X2 tiles.
Number of lighting points can roughly guess by counting the number of downlights.
For build in wardrobe can take outside wardrobe specialist price to compare to.
Same for kitchen. Everything can be counted pfr.
For wood it's either solid wood or melamine or plywood or chipboard. Thickness you can see and can compare with outside market. Again everything can be compared.

ID can be more expensive due to coordination works with the electrical & architectural works. Unless somebody do the supervising and coordination, without these "professional", it will cost less

no offence Drian, but did you really check in details all those items in depth? Lighting points , who knows he re-wire the whole house with better quality wires? Even the downlights, a better built d/l cost $30 a piece as opposed to maybe 10 ringgit one... Built-in wardrobe, a melamine board any plywood won't be the same, same goes to what solid surface(local or samsung makes a huge difference) he has chosen? Yes, unless we compare apple to apple, hard to tell really if he has paid 100K more premium than the usual..

btw. The most cut-throat item in my whole reno quotation is the tiles actually...by getting the tiles myself i'm saving at least 40%-50% of the cost quoted from my ID... Anyhow in general i do agree that by engaging ID it cost more than dealing direct, but when you don't have much time to follow through the entire renovation period , engaging ID is the key and it becomes a necessity.

This post has been edited by numbertwo: Dec 1 2010, 03:40 PM

I believe, a renovation cost RM150k and need to top up another RM100k, is not a simple renovation just about tile or wardrobe, there must be a lot of thing involve, like what numbertwo say, re-wiring for whole house, or may be change a whole house piping, change roof and doing a lot of work above the ceiling which you cant see, and so on so on.

This post has been edited by Eleganz Concept: Dec 1 2010, 03:48 PM

Yes. it's an estimate but definitely not 100K extra in price.
For downlight using those aluminium 4inch and 6 inch downlight, no glass. cost approximately RM13-Rm18 a piece from lighting distributor.
Better quality wires? It's just standard 1.5mm and 2.5mm wires that comes with PVC piping. What do you mean by better quality wires, made out of gold? Build in wardrobe using standard Melamine board. Guest room using standard furniture shop wardrobe. Solid surface local RM150 , samsung 280-320 pfr. Total 14 feet top , it's either Rm1500 extra or Rm1500 cheaper. Even if it's a red apple to green apple comparison the premium should not come up to 100k.


When I ask how is it breaked down , they do not know because it was charged one lump sum by area tpe.

Wow, that is horrible, if able to post thier quotation here to show, then may be can saw some item that cant be see from surface.

Agree. lighting only use 1.5mm wires and power point using 2.5mm wires.

If "quality", maybe use double P (PVC/PVC/Cu) but very very rare... no 1 using this unless for outdoor armoured cables (autogate).

anyway lighting points are counted per point... there is a market rate but cant remember... during my time was only Rm20-25 per lighting point

9 feets wet kitchen $1300 ( i supply 2x2)
relocation of piping $300
hacking and lay new wall tiles( that portion) $300
* all others mats he bao.


Water proofing 3rd floor balcony, and lay tiles
he supply tiles and mats $450


Dry kitchen $7800 , without kitchen top(havent decide granite or Corian, if Corian, probably get direct from TSI-MrStuar)

More pix n progress in my camera...above pix from fone


This post has been edited by dopp: Dec 1 2010, 07:09 PM

wow nice man
how long (feet)for your dry kitchen measurement for this quotation? nice quotation too

love the kitchen design

u got an ID?

I ID myself, the carpenter just draw wat i wanted.
dry kitchen exact measurement is on the pic

cool, seems like those ID in penang can tapau d ahha

9ft concrete table you mean? RM144/ft? with leg or without leg? some ID charge RM140/ft included 2' x 2' homogenouse tile price around RM20

$90- $110 penang also can get.

This is $150/fr.. .3 concrete slab legs 2x2 I buy myself, leg and bottom part of wall tiles... he supply.

After numerous post here in Lowyat, i thought i would share something nice for those of you who are looking to renovate your house.

I'll tell you my story. I am extremely satisfied after purchasing from FO Sin Aluminium Dan Kaca Sdn Bhd over 20 years! I met the boss of Fo Sin / New Way and it changed my life be it in real estate renovation business or my personal financing life. I saved LOTS in renovating houses of my rental properties.

I'll personally share and tell you how to get cheap curtain accessories etc in Malaysia. I have done this to 40-50 of my rental properties. THE CHEAPEST way to install curtain in your house.

All you need is
1) Curtain Railings (Aluminium <-- the best and last long)
2) Curtain Brackets (To hold railings)
3) Curtain Rollers (Self explanatory)
4) Curtain Hooks (Self Explanatory)
5) Curtain End Cap (To prevent rollers from sliding out)
6) Curtains

You can get item 1 to item 5 from:
Fo Sin Aluminium Dan Kaca Sdn Bhd
Address: No 850, Batu 4 1/2, Jalan Ipoh, 51200 Kuala Lumpur. (opposite of CIMB , MayBank, Am Bank)
Phone: 03-62577860

They are the manufacturer, distributor of aluminium extruded products. You won;t get it anywhere cheaper in malaysia. They supply to all curtain shops. Been there many times, extremely satisfied. Just thought of giving some opinion!

Try it and you'll know!


IMPORTANT TIP: Once you arrived at the retail shop, you'll see New Way Trading (Selling curtain accessories) at first floor, try not to go there. They are the same as Fo Sin Aluminium Dan Kaca Sdn Bhd. The boss/manager is usually station in Fo Sin (Ground Floor) You'll get a much cheaper price there! Remember!

Or if you really want to visit New Way, Look for Edmond. Go in the glass door and say ypu want to meet Edmond. He's the boss of Fo Sin and New Way. You;ll get a much cheaper price from him than anyone else.
New Way look for: Edmond (Managing Director)
Fo Sin look for: Mr Hong (Managing Director) /Ms Chin (Director)/ Edmond (Director)
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Similarly, go to Fo Sin Aluminium Dan Kaca Sdn Bhd.

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Give them a call and you'll be surprised how much you can save by purchasing renovation materials yourself and pay for worksmanship only!

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Phone: 03-62577860

They Sell:
1) Curtain Aluminium Railings
2) All Aluminium Products
3) Door Frame
4) Window Frame
5)Casement window handle
6) Door Handles
7) Sliding Window/Door Rollers
8) Vinyl Gaskets
9) PVC Gaskets
10) Locksets
11) Door Lock
12) Curtain Accessories
13) Ceiling Tee

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Now i'll tell you how to get cheap timber in malaysia.

Go to CF Timber Trading Sdn Bhd located at Kuchai Lama. They sell cheap timbers!!

Will update once i get their contact details.. left it in my office.

Admin please stick this post if possible. All questions will be answered here regarding cheap building materials in malaysia.

This post has been edited by szeki: Dec 1 2010, 11:19 PM

Another advertisement post...

ya..typical ID quotation, charge by Area , only if you scrutinize the quotation then maybe u could get a better BQ..but 100K extra..that's a sum!

Wah so neat ... mine after hacking the tiles and cement everywhere on the floor.

This post has been edited by Drian: Dec 1 2010, 11:59 PM

must have been cleaned up before snapping pic...

Don't want to ask them any further, don't want to tell them that they've overpaid for their reno cause the seem happy with their house. Somemore they took a small loan for it. Anyway they're those type that do not know much about renovation and the market prices cause when I ask them they don't seem to know much about the fittings they're using like what type of downlight the're using, what brand of solid top they're using etc.

This is just a reminder to people out there just to do lots of survey to find out the market prices.
I have one contractor who quote me RM1650 to install 3 ceiling ventilation fan (ventilation fan provided by myself). LOL even installing aircond is cheaper than it.

Cant see the location, so i guess that price because your fan point is 2 way, so need to have to point for 1 fan, then need to hack a lot, and then need to find tile worker to touch-up the tile. even still a bit expensive, but still able to explain because to so many thing need to be done.

got different grade of the wire inside.....some china made wire are so lousy (most use recycled material-mix material). ask ur electrical technician....there should no about this...

Yes please use reputable manufacturer. Some contractor do use disputable quality cables.

Cables are not specified by copper wire "grade" for common LV usage. Common specification is by insulation & cable size.

Copper grade are specified when buying copper tapes in earthing system (99.99% oxygen free annealed copper)

BTW, to any layman, it is not possible to see the "quality/grade" of wire of the cable by naked eyes by visual inspection. copper looks copper. What is important is the sizing is sufficient amperage and insulation is not damaged. common rule of thumb = 1.5mm2 for lighting & 2.5mm2 for power (13A) & 4mm2 for aircond.

If any owner really want to check the workmanship of the wiring, carry out megger test/insulation test

No it's not a lot

Maximum number of tiles 1X1 need to hack is 3 . They pull the wiring from the exhaust fan through the other side of the wall of the toilet and then go down and go back in to the toilet.

Tiles is provided by myself the only amount of work needed is around one lighting point cost + cost of hacking and laying 3 (1X1) tiles which is around 50 -70 ringgit. But the contractor quote me RM550 for it so it's like 10X higher than market price.

just get qoute for my house painting, 2900 psft built up area semi-d.
i ask for 3 contractor, finally decided pass to one of them that quote me rm4k. re-paint the whole int, and do touch up for ext since some part of ext become dirty after reno.

4k i assume not include paint?
I got quoted 3.8k for 3 storeys, no exterior but staircase rail+ all doors and staircase's step

ask them do you have a choice to choose let say Nippon paint and not any other 'less known' brand?

Become


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this quote is included paint oledi
expensive or ??

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Added on December 3, 2010, 7:36 pmya they got give me choice of nippon paint or mr.paint man, if wan to choose other brand also can, but need to choose the same level as rm9X/tin.
and he mention some part will undercoating some will not since this is new house, but i still worry that, so i already go there observe how they paint for it

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Added on December 3, 2010, 7:37 pmwow, wat kind of wood is it? look nice

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Added on March 21, 2011, 3:18 am



This post has been edited by well: Mar 21 2011, 03:18 AM

That looks awesome!

ur tv cabinet cost how much ah?

Dry kitchen with kitchen cabinet & island installed

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Added on March 22, 2011, 12:55 amthanks

rm2.6k

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Added on March 22, 2011, 12:57 amrenovation still under progress, like the island in dry kitchen still need to do the final adjustment


This post has been edited by well: Mar 22 2011, 12:57 AM

Nice tv cabinet! you have an island in the kitchen!

Woo...tell me more...tell me more...

your tv cabinet 2.6k? may i know this price is including the tv back panel or not?

ya 2.6k included everything can see form the pic

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Added on March 22, 2011, 3:52 pmthanks but the island not yet done, will upload again once its complte

This post has been edited by well: Mar 22 2011, 03:52 PM

I was going to have an Island..but I will put a induction cooker in the island for cooking small stuff -like tacos..or even steamboat..there will be some high chairs for family to cook, eat,sit and chat...my Island will be not be in the middle..more like between dining area and kitchen..sort of like a breakfast bar...I think..

good idea too!!
already have the layout design for it???

Wow may i know what material is the black glossy surface which stick on ur wall behind ur tv cabinet?? thats so nice

can take a closer photo? hehe

This post has been edited by Pegasus88: Mar 24 2011, 07:11 PM

wow ur house looks nice. i wish i am the owner

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Added on March 24, 2011, 7:48 pmhow much is the kitchen cabinet?

This post has been edited by xepa: Mar 24 2011, 07:48 PM

thanks
the black glossy surface is melamine wood also, will try to take another clearer photo tmr

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Added on March 24, 2011, 11:03 pmincluded everything showing in the pic, approx RM7700~

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Added on March 25, 2011, 1:15 am2nd master bedroom still empty, only installed the 8 feet wardrobe




1st master bedroom lagi empty, wardrobe still not install, waiting for the carpenter



This post has been edited by well: Mar 25 2011, 01:15 AM

bet ur house is finish renovated and have a open house party already..lolz..
first thing i notice is ur dry kitchen...why part of ur kitchen skirting is not using concrete? , must be adding it in the end and do not wish to do more wet work . U got a long height window too ...

living tv, looks like can get from any loosen furniture shop but backdrop is a nice...

home sweet home

not yet finish actually... still need do some touch up b4 moving in...lolz

and i still got a wet kitchen there, so this dry kitchen may not use to do kind of wet work

this is the latest progress for the living room:

This is so overwhelming I reckon.

Btw, TS, how you got enough time to supervise and monitor the whole project?

I guess you must have taken a lot of time to plan and engage different contractor for different areas of work.

the vibration sensors are for each door point & window, bcoz my house got lot of windows, so no choice

ya summore very headache especially when need to arrange schedule with those contractors bcoz some of the work need to be done then only can pass to another contractor

if u need some lighting ideas: http://www.facebook.com/PlayWithLights

thanks for info

wow, 7.7k for your kitchen cabinet is very cheap! is it inclusive of the island? also what type of material did you use for the surface?

thanks
ya the price is included island, and its using solid surface as tabletop.

Hi Well, do you mind sharing which KC contractor did this for you? price seems very reasonable.