esso supporter +1

I use petronas for the same reason ..hehehe

Guess what, all my issue fixed. Except the metak knocking which wait for parts. Now wiper make noise. Not rubber, duno the plastic or metal.

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This post has been edited by muslayer: Nov 26 2010, 09:47 AM

LOL No worries.. Well the main reason for all the test done by NanoTag was to determine whether their nanotag additives in different petrol with additives with different car compression would create any adverse effect on power and fuel consumption. They tested cars with 9:1, 9.5:1, 10:1, 10.5:1 and 11.3:1 compression.. So there was a bunch of dyno results and analysis and explanation by some German company as well as Petronas on the changes of data..
It was found out that with lower compression NA engines, the fuel needed to be lower octane and with as less additives as possible to prevent the fuel from stabilizing. So that when its combusted it reacts more violently and burns even faster. Thats why people do complaint that when they pump Ron92 into their cars, the engine sounds a bit harsher. Because almost everyone was using Ron97 at that time and fuel companies like Esso do not add any additives into their Ron92 petrol to cut cost.

The highest operating compression without knocking at standard temp (87.5celcius) for Ron92 is 10.5:1(benchtest), but in real world it definitely will be much lesser as engine load, environment condition and intake air temp plays a very huge part too. So from there i infer that for 10:1 compression, it would be better to use some fuel that combust faster instead to gain maximum torque as ron95 fuel will have a much higher compression tolerance than 10.5:1 even under engine load.

A lot of tiger points collecter here.. hahaha...

Anyone have used Caltex before with good feedback??


Good for you.. Peace of mind now. The wiper noise is it from the arm there? Cos when i went for my first service a guy driving PE also claimed for wiper arm replacement. He said the wiper was not smooth and when the wiper was turn on it moved like the screw was loose like that.

Can lah.. Just give him a call.. Ask him if u can follow him on his next detailing job. Im sure he would be glad to invite you.. I will be joining him for his detailing work in the end of dec to learn some skills from him.. So when i get my Lambo that time i can wax it myself.


This post has been edited by ZenGTMM: Nov 26 2010, 10:22 AM

worried mixing fuel brands? never bother. been driving more than 10 years and with many cars before. never had any sort of issue at all.

switching from ron92 to ron97 back and forth and now between ron97 and ron95 no issues also.

just that carburator engines might require retarding its ignition timing a bit if using lower ron numbers eg. from 97 to 92 or down to 95. but then once retarded, switching back to 97 would give less torque and power and need to increase ignition timing again. so better stick to the same ron fuel. I played soooooo much with such settings back in the days when i drove a carburator engine Honda Civic. Oh not to forget, carburator engined Pajero and Wira too.

as for FI engines (fuel injection engines / new gen engines), ignition timings are auto adjusted accordingly when it sensed different ron fuels are used. so that to optimize the engine performance.

BUT...... its a fact that each and every car manufacturer and car model / makes designed their engines to run on specific min ron fuels. SO..... any higher ron fuels would be useless. Meaning, most of the time..... its only in the mind. To me, i always use the min ron fuels for all my cars. Never bothered about those ron97 or vpower nonsense. Why? Because its a NA engine car..... it does not require any higher ron fuel. its designed to run optimally with its minimum fuel ron. So putting in higher ron will not make it any more powerful or better.

Its all marketing strategy from fuel companies. Marketing is indeed.....POWERFUL. Can cuci ppl's minds. Too bad dun work on me (brain wash).

This post has been edited by jasondotcom: Nov 26 2010, 10:32 AM

Ain't sure mate. I know it was working fine till they fix my windscreen sealant. The problem came, haih...

using RON95 already quite powerful

from 0 to 100kph takes less than 10 seconds, for A/T

waa.. bro got facts for the above statement? I mix my petrol quite often 1... Shell, Esso, BHP all rojak

yesterday got some feella failed badly on parking his lorry and smash my rear lamp and my bumper , after nego with him and say no to his money, i demand he repair all my broken thing back to normal before his accident, repaint all cost him around RM 600+ , new persona right side rear lamp cost RM390 , repaint + all work + labour cost 225 after nego ..all demand he pay and fully settle pictar on the broken lamp will be post when back from work XD

This post has been edited by shaff: Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM

Dont

Ouch.. Sakit lah... Nvm lah at least no body damage.. No need to ketuk ketuk.. And the fella willing to pay to repair it.. Btw bro.. Pls take back your broken rear lamp. I want to see what kind of LED they use in it so can DIY some projects in the future..

btw..when accident,the first thing ppl alwiz say no money or in a hurry..hoping u say nonit to pay...If no money,y u simply drive?
After dat,u will c them got money...so remember not to settle in for the money they offer.

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Added on November 26, 2010, 12:36 pmalwiz mix fuel...long term..yur tank rosak...den blame proton lousy,malaysia quality shit..bla bla bla

This post has been edited by armadasaxon: Nov 26 2010, 12:36 PM

how he paid u that much money on the spot?

he didnt pay to me, i drive him to nearest workshop for paint job and nearest proton service outlet for the lamp, he pay and i keep the recipt .

Mate, r u sure about tis? My M/T only could run under 10 seconds after 1st service. after 2nd service my car bcom weaker. mayb da ECU already recognised my driving style.

i juz fulfilled my tank wif RON95=RM65.00 (usually RON97=RM75.00). wat i can say about da differences r unbelievable! RON95 sounds cheap like 30 liters make u save rm9.00 from RON97 but not really. i seldom use RON95 since da v 1st day i got my car, so i can notice da diffence clearly.

1. throttle response bcom slower
2. i could hear da engine underpowered sound wen i change gear in low RPM (like engine almost off)
3. power unstable wen i cruise at low RPM
4. engine sounds louder at idle as like it breathe harder.
5. wen i get down from car, i could feel da engine temperature is higher
6. all those above gave me a horrible driving experience, vv horrible
7. fuel consumption from 8.8l/100km to 10.1l/100km, for same routine trip

*i used RON95 bcos i couldn't any gas station within 50km tat sells RON97 during long distance driving.

those r my experience wif RON95. i use SHELL bcos here we don have BHP n Caltex n so on.

i use caltex before, pick up more power compare to esso but compare overall fc esso still better.

i will rate them with the following order

power = 1) caltex 2) esso 3) bhp

economy = 1) esso 2) bhp 3) caltex

Possible causes:-
Overfilled engine oil after 2nd service causing you to feel its heavier.

From my point of view:-
1. Throttle is fast and barely lags at all (of course it will never be like cable type which is the best as it has this direct feel to it and its faster even). First generation persona and gen2 have laggy throttle response.
2. Engine is smooth and powerful
3. Smooth engine
4. Pretty silent except the radiator fan coming on. Persona Elegance models are louder due to double fan design. It makes a low pitched humming sound if compared with the early Persona models with single large fan. Not that the earlier models are any more quieter in this section. But if compred, PE is a little louder for sure. Don't shoot me cuz i sat in a few already and compared. So i am 100% sure on this.
5. Temp felt higher during hot day
6. So far its all damn good.
7. Fuel consumption is a constant 6.9 to 7.2l/100km same routine trips.

This post has been edited by jasondotcom: Nov 26 2010, 02:32 PM

Tank will rosak meh? All the companies claim to provide better cleaning of engine.. Smoother running.. So which company is left to dirty the tank?

I know in the US u can purchase either branded fuel (Shell,BP, EXXON etc), but there are also supermarket fuel sold by Tesco etc.. Supermarket fuel is pure fuel, no additives, branded one have their secret potion mixed in as well.

Bro try using Esso for one time.. Shell i have felt the same thing too.. See whether there is an improvement.
I second dattebayo. My AT also runs below 10sec. More like 8sec. Tarik engine until 5000rpm then only change gear..

Does any1 have the Lokatoo gps which is running processor Atlas 3? i accidently deleted the Guider file, however the official website of Lokatoo software and maps for Atlas 3 unable to download, wtf??!! can any1 upload the file or provide me a link tht i can download it

wow! so persona A/T actually a fast car? under 10seconds man! tat is like a merc c200 compressor engine. gd gd. hahaha. i'll try esso next time den i wil report back to u all again.