Got it, thanx.

But what is the main difference of this coaxial heli with the other types (if it has a name for it ... ) ... more stable on the flights?

why you so SIBUK ?
i buy heli
you sibuk
i keep in store
you sibuk

what also you sibuk


who are you? do i know you?
memang penyibuk

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Added on January 16, 2011, 3:30 amlast time, yes, coaxial is much stable
but now, the technology is improved
,so im not sure
to me, coaxial is much slower, so it is much stable haha


coaxial is normally slower but definitely more than enough for beginner, coaxial are designed for beginner


if you want to play outdoor
you have to buy something bigger

so lama v3 or lamav4 is definitely not your choice


also there is fixed pitch and collective pitch heli

fixed pitch=the angle of the blades are fixed so the heli lift depends on the motor speed

collective pitch= the heli lift depends on the motor speed and the blades angle

4 channel are fixed pitch heli
6 channel are most collective pitch heli

i would suggest you to buy famous brand so that easier for you to find spare parts
4 channel is more than enough before you decided to throw your money in this hobby

dont buy below 4 channel, because you will regret

This post has been edited by ccfook2123: Jan 16 2011, 03:32 AM

this is a COAXIAL heli


this is a SINGLE ROTOR heli


most coaxials comes with a radio controller which are not programmable
those coaxial sets mostly costs around rm200 or so depending on what model u get
these are in between TOY GRADE and HOBBY GRADE
but u will not be able to fly it outdoors IF there is WIND or BREEZE ... even soft breeze

on the other hand .. collective pitch single rotor heli (CP) can be flown outdoors even with quite strong winds
fixed pitch single rotor helis (FP) are quite limited in choices ... some comes with the radio controller
but these can still be flown with slight breeze outfoors

if u opt for something like a CP to start with it will be extremely difficult and frustrating due to the nature of the heli always wanting to crash coz u cannot control it
and u will spend lots of time and $$$ to repair it
and u will need a radio controller most probably coz most reputable CP helis do not come with it

this is a budget radio controller


since u have stated u do not wanna go over rm1k in your starting budget
the choices will be quite limited
these are what u can get for CP helis
http://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=5048
http://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=4971
http://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=5004
http://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=5053

for coaxials/ FP helis
these are the common choices
http://graffititoys.com/Helicopter4Channel.html

but be aware those FPs and coaxials will have a lot of trouble with breeze outdoors

to summarise
COAXIALS ~ rm200 >> damm easy to fly but no wind conditions
FP single rotors ~ rm300 not easy to fly but its closer to CP characters and can take small wind
CP single rotors ~ rm1.8k onwards .. damm hard to learn but can be flown almost anywhere depending on size once u master it

only CP helis are capable of doing inverted stuff such as flips and rolls as well as other advanced 3D manuevers
FP helis are able to do minor aerobatics with much skill
coaxials just floats around and probably will teach a little about orientation

remember u still have to budget for batteries and chargers as well as repairs costs
ESKY is not my 1st choice for helis but since u are on a limited budget they are the only ones available UNLESS u are willing to buy 2nd hand stuff

kakakkakakakakaka, fire man in singapore too free maybe, no need to catch snake

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Added on January 16, 2011, 12:26 pm
But it is not recommended if a newbie starts with 6ch CP heli .....

Can try a big big lama since it can fly in little wind environment ..... but this time not so suitable indoor anymore .... hehehhehe

This post has been edited by daddoo: Jan 16 2011, 12:26 PM

Hi .. thanx for the answer and this is good stuff ...why not copy-paste some of the info and put it on the first post of each version? just a suggestion, this should help reduce noobs question for beginner like me ...

For beginners like me who stumble upon this kind of thread will definitely want to start reading from post #1, but may not continue till the end due to the vast number of pages/posts. i.e 129 pages of v2 .. I stopped at page 20+, paiseh.

anyway, back to FP and CP ... how do I differentiate it from the physical checking? or from the specification?

Coz I am planning to go check out Dragon Mart, a mall just for selling Chinese products and goods, I've seen many shops there selling those china made RC heli ... wanna do some survey and comparison, before I go to the real RC hobbyist shop.

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Added on January 16, 2011, 2:34 pmFound the following information about the FP vs CP:

http://www.helifever.com/fixed-pitch-vs-collective-pitch.php

so now I know how to differentiate..

This post has been edited by sweeann: Jan 16 2011, 02:34 PM

Yeap, that's the right information you've got!

So actually there are quite a lot of information around, if you want to fasest response, google is your buddy.

Yeah, trying to read more before deciding and make my purchase, to avoid getting a heli that does not suit me ...

Now I wonder those Chinese made heli ... have you all come across any CP single rotor heli that comes with simulators ... ... and worth buying for beginners since china made stuff should be cheaper so starting costs will be much lower, or am I dreaming too much?

Just dont get beltcp. You will regret. Play 1 time crash, buy spareparts (hard to get). Fix...play and crash, buy spareparts, fix again crash and keep in store bcoz no money to buy spareparts. Dont believe? Ask ccfook szabo.

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Added on January 16, 2011, 4:36 pmBut last time i advice this guy, told him dont buy bcoz he will crash it and keep it in store bcoz spareparts is expensive, but got another pro-flyer tell him, just buy ( he himself cant do anything with beltcp except hover and crash)

So this guy bought beltcp, and love his belt cp, complaint on where to get spareparts, crash and keep it on store.

This is based on true story.

Hehehe. Fireman works 1day 2day off..so got alot of time.

This post has been edited by sLapshock: Jan 16 2011, 04:36 PM

Hard to say lah, there was also a pro-flyer too, complaint on the Trex 450 Pro and gave very very bad comments but keep on complimenting on HK450 heli only.

I don't have 450 Pro before but from a lot of persons, they all quite happy with that heli actually lah, nothing to demand based on the price pay. Same to BCP actually, just check from the discussions from foreign forum, like helifreak, heliguy, I think their opinion is more neutral.

Follow your own preference sweeann and survey more to make your own decision, dun just listen to non-sense ....... huahahahhahaha

i dont have single complain on belt cp really
you really SIBUK
i never said i cant find parts, i know where to get really
i asked so to get info where to get cheap parts for heli

its so normal for something HOT to out of stock
are you too stupid to understand this?


hey sweeann, just buy famous brand heli as i said
start with 4 channel first to see if you really like this hobby
4 channel can last you a few months d

just buy a honeybee FP if u feel like a challenge
if u are just trying out whether u will like it or not .. then a LAMA will do fine and cheap
a BCP is a matter of taste and budget ... most with higher budget will tend to avoid the BCP but some have succeeded to a level with it and some have failed
everything is entirely up to u ... but if possible go to a flying field nearest to u and talk to the ppl flying there for more personalised advice and guidance

Hehehehe, I think we have frightened sweeann ........

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Added on January 17, 2011, 12:36 pm
I don't know who is he talking about lah, but definitely not us ......

I am satisfied with my BCP too and now I can handle the sport flying quite well ...... most of the time the quality of a heli does matter but also there are some other factors behind, like how you doing the setup or the skill of the flyer. All I can say that, with very limited budget BCP can still doing its job nicely but don't expect it to fly like a T-Rex or Logo!

If someone is sure that they will live long with this hobby, go for the ultimate one
The most important thing is to practice intensively in the simulator or else there is no use with super-good heli too .....

This post has been edited by daddoo: Jan 17 2011, 12:40 PM

i didnt recommend BCP cause it is not a good heli for beginner
if you buy BCP, you get what you paid for, if you expect more than that, just go for other heli, i dont know why BELT CP popped out.....

just like, if you buy proton, you dont expect Mercedes feel



remember to buy 4 channel at least
as SIFU QIW said, buy honeybee FP if you like challenge, go for ESKY coaxial if you want a reasonable price heli, good performance heli that worth its price to me,not forgot to mention, ESKY coaxial heli quite durable, easy to find spareparts, upgrade parts with reasonable price and very stable too

im a newbie too, so together we can learn, come to this thread always, BADDOO and QIW is always here to help

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Added on January 17, 2011, 4:15 pmi didnt recommend BCP cause it is not a good heli for beginner
if you buy BCP, you get what you paid for, if you expect more than that, just go for other heli
BETWEEN, i dont know why BELT CP popped out..... SOME PENYIBUK

just like, if you buy proton, you dont expect Mercedes feel



remember to buy 4 channel at least
as SIFU QIW said, buy honeybee FP if you like challenge, go for ESKY coaxial if you want a reasonable price heli, good performance heli that worth its price to me,not forgot to mention, ESKY coaxial heli quite durable, easy to find spareparts, upgrade parts with reasonable price and very stable too

im a newbie too, so together we can learn, come to this thread always, BADDOO and QIW is always here to help


This post has been edited by ccfook2123: Jan 17 2011, 04:15 PM

ccfook, if you are mentioning about me, then my nickname is actually DADDOO

Hi sLapshock,

thanx for the headsup.


Hi daddoo,

But the T-Rex 450 Pro does look sexy, at least to me ... dunno got chance to fly it or not ... (without crashing it ... T__T)

Yeah, still doing more survey, have not got the chance to go to Dragon Mart yet, as it is quite far from my place, need to drive at least 30 minutes in high speed to reach there ...O_o

There is also a professional hobby shop in Dubai Mall where they sell a lot of cars, planes, heli and even boats ... will check that shop after I am done with Dragon Mart, so that I can compare and evaluate the choices I have in terms of quality and price.

Hi ccfook2123,

Seriously, I do not know what brand is available here, as I have yet to start my real hunting yet, so far, have been only doing reading and readings, but from the shops I seen in Dragon Mart, those are mostly china made stuff, dun think those are even branded ...T__T ... but let me do more survey on the choices I have here first ... : )

Hi QiW,

I definitely would prefer some challenges, that is why I would prefer to leave the option to go further if I really like this hobby .. , but I am too in a bit of dilemma on what to get:

1. easy to start/learn and cheaper but cannot go far heli, and then buy a 2nd more pro heli when ready; or
2. straight to a pro heli that is ready for all kinds of stunt with simulation mode, so that I can do the training in simulation mode first before the real flight

1st choice I will start cheap (RMx), and have a choice to stop if I dowan to proceed, and I end up only wasted 1 cheap heli, but if I decide to proceed, then I will end up aving 1 cheap heli + 1 pro heli (costs RMx + RMy), may still get a simulator for more difficult practice as well (RMz)

2nd choice I will start with higher costs, 1 pro heli + 1 simulator (RMy + RMz), and if I decide to stop, higher costs wasted, if I decide to proceed, save on 1 cheap heli.

>> but if possible go to a flying field nearest to u and talk to the ppl flying there for more personalised advice and guidance

I do not know anyone who is flying here in Dubai, and I dunno where they fly also ...

Hi daddoo,

Hmm .... yeah, one of my problem is I do not know whether I will go how far in this hobby, as I have yet to try it out, if I have already try out and have decided, I will definitely know what I am looking for and how much money I should throw in.

hmmmmm .... after some deep thought, I think I will proceed with option 1, and only decide whether I want to proceed or not, I do not want to get a pro heli but end up a white elephant and become a deco only in my living hall.

Hi ccfook2123,

at least 4 channel, hmmm ... I seen most of those chinese heli are of 3.5 channel only in Dragon Mart, but I only did a glance and did not actually go in and ask the shop keeper, dunno they got 4 channel and above one or not ...

Really have to go there again one day and spend some time doing survey and talk to them.

Please watch out that most of the 3.5ch heli from China is using Infrared. Should be those you have seen, those are considered toy-grade rc heli so if possible go for at least 4ch heli using RF to control. I think it is more fun to fly. I have one 3.5ch heli at home but it is not flyable anymore, it uses AA size battery to charge up from the transmitter.

I am agree to you that Trex 450 Pro is sexy but you have to pay a little more to play. The price of the heli is not really expensive but that's only for a heli, you need to get your own Tx/Rx, batteries and charger separately, tools to build the heli as well.

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Added on January 17, 2011, 7:26 pm
By the way, are you a Malaysian? And working in Dubai?

This post has been edited by daddoo: Jan 17 2011, 07:26 PM

Okay, will be careful with those 3.5 channel ones...

Was looking at the T-REX 450 from rcsmart, the one selling at RM1350 Super Combo set also din come with TX/RX, right? Coz I could not find it in the list:

ALIGN T-REX 450 SPORT Kit with Brushless Motor & Esc
https://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=3008

RM 1000.00 RM 690.00

ALIGN T-REX 450 PRO Kit with Brushless Motor & Esc
https://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=3007

RM 1050.00 RM 790.00

ALIGN T-REX 450 PRO Super Combo
https://www.rcsmart.com.my/webshaper/store/...roductItem=2377

RM 1350.00


If there is a need to get a TX/RX, what do you all recommend? If possible the TX should be compatible with for Simulator, so that I can get familiarize with the same TX.

Another question, normally no heli comes bundle with simulator?

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Added on January 17, 2011, 7:35 pmYes, I am a malaysian, and currently working in Dubai.

This post has been edited by sweeann: Jan 17 2011, 07:35 PM

To get all in a package I think only Lama has ..... including simulator.

ALIGN T-REX 450 PRO Super Combo - it only include just the heli and electronics. For example, servo, gyro, ESC, motor and the kit. It does not give you any other things. So for this combo you have to buy your own Tx/Rx, battery and charger.

Remember that T-Rex Pro and T-Rex Sport is not the same but both are 450 size.

If want to get a economical Tx/Rx you may want to consider what Qiw has recommended, should be Futaba 6EX.

okay okay ... thanx for the info ...

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Added on January 17, 2011, 9:25 pmBy the way, what do you guys think of a summarize of information for beginners on the 1st post of each thread?

I can help out a bit now since I am a beginner and I am looking for all kinds of information.

It would be good to have many useful information on the first page for beginners like me to do the reading, instead of browsing through 129 pages ... , and to avoid you all to keep answering the same question again and again.

Let me know what do you guys think, okay?

This post has been edited by sweeann: Jan 17 2011, 09:25 PM

HEhehe, please exclude me, lazy to do that together ......