very impressed with Philippines result. cant believe Singapore and Vietnam failed to beat them.

there are another script that has happens before...

Both Indo and Thailand defending their opponents goals from own goals because the winner will top the group and will meet Vietnam in the semis...

i dont think it will be repeated to that degree as situation now is different .. but u cant stop from wondering what is the level of motivation the indo will have when playing against the thais on tuesday. it is not above their head to do wacky things like losing on purpose..

the have to decide what is better for their interest :-

1) Letting Thailand go through and become a possible opponent in the final.
2) Try their best to oust Thailand from ASEAN football throne and give Malaysia/Laos a chance to go through and with the likes of the Philipines, become candidates to meet them in the final...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 6 2010, 10:04 AM

Indonesia already confirmed as group champion, right?

yap... unassailable lead..

then i'm going to prepare myself mentally for tomorrow by thinking that Indonesia will not play to their true strength as they do not have the needs to risk their squad with injuries and suspensions, hence Thailand will beat them and end our hope of progressing to the next round in this AFF Cup. i'd like to think it'll hurt less if i'm already have that kind of thinking before it happens

and, it's not like our game against Laos is a straightforward thing also. based on both team performances so far in this competition, tomorrow match looks set to be a very competitive; what's more with all 3 teams still can get the 2nd position if results go their way. but nonetheless, i will be very disappointed if we fail to beat Laos tomorrow

thats the correct frame of mind to be. Our team's resonsibility is only to beat Laos tomorrow. Wether we qualify or not defend on fate.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 6 2010, 08:41 PM

setuju gan....
IN-DO-NE-SIA....!!!!!

ane pusing liat kelakuan tetangga kita yg satu ini..

Nowdays all country uses imported player arr?
Singapore got, philiphine got, indonesia got.
Use local player la.
International coach still ok lg.
Haisyy..

So, do u point that if they beat us just bcoz they got import player???

i think he just talking generally about player naturalization activity in south east asia...

those imported players you think is very good ?

they don't have the passion like the true bumiputera

or maybe, he just want to raise a very good issue for discussion i.e. regarding the neutralized player. i even believe it warranted a different topic altogether, such an interesting topic that is.

exactly, this topic really is an interesting topic. i never really give it a thought initially, it's always a big NO NO for me for Malaysia to use neutralized player from outside. however, when Nelson Sam Martin was playing for Kedah for 3 seasons IINM i must admit that it did cross my mind on how much better our national team would be if we have Nelson pulling the strings from the midfield. because, we really do not have any creative midfielder then, nor that we have any now from the looks of things

anyway, like i said the issue with neutralized players probably warranted discussion at different topic

Why suddenly all the Malaysia football leader talk kok about patriotism when other country willing to let foreign represent the country

i rather have a team of born and bred Malaysians playing for their country even if that means not winning any trophies (providing they are dedicated la), rather than a squad of foreigners lifting the trophies, but do not reflect the real component of the country at all. Our countries arent made up of people of south america, africa and european descent. Our national team is not also a place to hire foreign "workers" to do the job for us.

haaaa !!
i wanna talk like this exactly, but my engrish very bad
so i'm simplify it

but our people already proudly pleadging allegience to foreign football players, club and countries. To these people, the concept of staying true to the team that have their 'blood' eventhough not winning any thropies, is foreign to them. Our team must start winning first, before they will even consider supporting them. We might as well go ahead and adopt foreign players to fill that lust.

while we still discussing about it, Philipines, Indonesia and Singapore already benifiting on it. I'd say, if we can find a good candidate, just go ahead. Import players who already playing here for more than 5 years and have their child born and bred here is already Malaysian to me.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 7 2010, 03:41 PM

You're right we must be one of the very few countries in the world where its own citizens support other countries, and knows more about football half the world away than their very own local teams or even the national team.

i am being honest, i was one of those who disregard the national team when i was a kid, saying the team is rubbish without even watching any of the games and at the same time, supports Man Utd. But as time goes on, i start to appreciate what it means to support your own country, and is still learning. True, almost everyone who watches football have foreign team and country that they supported. But i think one of the reason is because Malaysia national team wasnt in those tournaments, so they are finding alternatives. Lets put it this way, if Malaysia were to qualify for World Cup, regardless of how shitty the team is, im pretty sure more people will support Malaysia. It's just like sporting events like Olympic, Commonwealths...While majority of the population doesnt watch events like equestrians, or squash, but if Malaysia is in it, they will support the team, no matter finishing in the first round, or actually winning the gold medal. Heck, even Cardiff City gets quite a fanbase in Malaysia recently because it is owned by Malaysians.

I dont think "to win and getting local support" is the right reason to allow foreign players into our national team. it's like a last resort action to me, where the country and FAM has given up on local products to even need to think of outsiders.

Maybe if u say by bringing in foreigners it will lead to healthy competition to local lads and they will step up their performance, and can benefit from foreign experience, then maybe that is an acceptable reason. But im afraid FAM might overuse this "foreign experience" thing to straight away play for the country instead of getting locals to learn from them. theres definitely a for and against reasoning for this issue innit? very nice to discuss

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 7 2010, 03:47 PM

for me to improve our football is bring one african defender(rb,cb,LB) and one taller stricker!

if we got more chinese & sabah/sarawak footballers, we don't need foreign players. enuff said