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jasmineivan
post Nov 22 2010, 07:13 PM

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@evofantasy

since your haven't buy it yet, got some suggestion for you.
try check out the price of the filco leather palm rest and see whether got any opportunity to import it. It should be more comfortable compare to 7G's rest and look elegant also.

Some more you no need to bundle the keyboard and rest together. Then maybe can wait later only get the rest (note: the leather wrist rest is very rarely seen in malaysia, if don't have such effort to looking for it better just take 7G)
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post Nov 23 2010, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Nov 22 2010, 10:47 PM)
get a regular wrist rest from 3M, or Filco leather if you can afford.
keyboard go with 6Gv2, no need 7G,
7G's wrist rest is already fix, you cant move it, is fixed in a position.
and it is just a plastic.
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I can I will get the filco leather rest also.

But if say without the leather rest then I will choose 7G. Even though the port is just 1.0 usb, but without any problem I use it for mouse and some time small file transfer to my phone. (useful also)
True the rest is just plastic not worth that much of money, but if no other option I will still get it.
I using the audio jack also, my case is if always plug and unplug the head set to my cpu which i put under my table is troublesome.

Concluded if the filco rest and 6Gv2 is available i will choose them, otherwise i prefer 7G
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post Nov 23 2010, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Nov 23 2010, 10:10 AM)
btw i just checked pchome, the shipping to malaysia is only about usd10.

a filco majestouch brown + shipping is only about RM380.

and according to their website its not cheapo slow shipping, will reach you in 2~3 days.

very tempting
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true it is tempting but I will more prefer if it is MX red.


Added on November 23, 2010, 5:48 pmJust found some answer for my own previous question.

For cherry MX black, actuation force is 60g, the reset point force is about 50, means oscillate between 60g and 50g then will keep on registering the keystroke continuously.

Even imba for MX red, the actuation force is 45g, the reset point at about 40g only.

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post Nov 23 2010, 11:43 PM

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RM400 to 450 then I will consider it reasonable.
But now got some interest on Topre switches also.
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post Nov 24 2010, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Nov 24 2010, 12:07 AM)
topre switch are kinda hybrid between membrane and mechanical switch, btw,  the switch should either abit similiar to blue but a completely different feel in clicking it. btw, compare to the hybrid technology, the cost for one keyboard is kinda overprice. just look at those HHKB keyboards, i can only look afar and only pray the price would drop one day.
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Must try first only know, but the price really imba.

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post Nov 24 2010, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Nov 24 2010, 09:04 AM)
Deck Legend, Xarmor U9BL, or Razer BlackWidow Ultimate
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The Xarmor U9BL look super nice.

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post Nov 24 2010, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ken.shin- @ Nov 24 2010, 04:10 PM)
i still think the bw ultimate looks better compared to the xarmor, and do take not i'm no razertard.
maybe because xarmor's spacebar spoilt it for me.
what the hell is it with the dot at the centre of the space bar. /facepalm.
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Haha just personal preference la.
Overall I prefer BW Ultimate also, but the Xarmor i think got tenkeyless version just small and cute ^^ (but bit inconvenient)
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post Nov 24 2010, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Nov 24 2010, 04:54 PM)
Deck Legend
Quality is good. But oddly if you want NKRO, have to get the PS2 version. Filco and Ducky can get NKRO via usb to PS2 adapter, but the Deck Legend cannot get NKRO via adapter which is very odd.... Considering the cost, i omitted getting this because of the NKRO oddity. Also Filco and Ducky were cheaper besides, and i didn't need the backlighting that badly doh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtO4da-r1o
Xarmor U9BL
The keycaps have rubber in it so they may not be so durable. Oddly enough it also is dye sublimated which is nice, just the rubbery parts are a concern in regards to durability.

http://hardwareaware.com/review/xarmor-u9bl/
Razer BlackWidow Ultimate
2KRO which is pathethic considering they are marketing this as a gamers keyboard. Also glossy so it's a finger print magnet. And only comes with cherry mx blue only doh.gif Other than that i think it looks good :/ just too bad about the 2KRO part which to me is a big let down for such a pricey keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlWYLJIibxE
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Don't expect too much from Razer lo lol

That is absolutely cant be considered as a pricey keyboard since the expert version only selling at 279 which is so cheap compared to other mechanical keyboard.
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post Nov 24 2010, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Nov 24 2010, 10:37 PM)
whats a 2KRO? btw BlackWidow looks nice. but i think the only important thing is the backlighting and the colour that wont fade.
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2KRO means the keyboard only can press 2 keys together at 1 shot. They said this based on BW fail ZXC. most of other part no problem by help of optimization.

Some key cap like double shot or any laser etched key printing key caps won't fade of also.
True the backlit is nice, but myself don't like MX blue switches and BW wrist rest just too small.

@moogle
Saw lot picture of the filco's leather rest, if got anywhere you see any news that someone bulking and importing filco products then inform me as well maybe i wan buy the rest also (but still considering since the price tag really heavy sweat.gif )


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post Nov 24 2010, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Nov 24 2010, 11:12 PM)
sorry to pop your bubbles but... the new set of keys that you purchase separately from the keyboard are not coated, so the font lettering will wear out faster compare to the filco keycaps that comes with the keyboard(please do note the difference between these is that the filco keyboard that you purchase will be coated, and if you buy separated keycaps, those keycaps will not be coated)

so please reconsider when you purchasing them, because the lettering will wear out alot faster, i would only advice you buy blank ones rather than those with lettering/font
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Replaced with the blank black key caps, whole keyboard in black color is cool.
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post Nov 25 2010, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Nov 25 2010, 02:50 PM)
Finally managed to take the Blackwidow for a spin on games after one week of it literally collecting dust.

Personal thoughts:
-Anyone with prickly ears really needs headphones when gaming on it. It sounds a bit like a typewriter lol.
-failed the doubleshift quick brown fox test, it's results are similar
-Like all razer products, it's very flashy - there's a backlit razer logo below the spacebar with adjustable brightness, glossy frame, also feels sturdy compared to most of their mice. Fingerprints are not that noticeable on the glossy frame thankfully, but dust certainly is!
-Also will take a while getting used to. Dotards and the like will have to factor the shifted F1 key - it's sitting above the W key not Q. Also too used to my old keyboard - occasionally I press the macro key instead of LCtrl sometimes.

Then again I'm a mech keyboard nub.

Edit - there's an obvious hole at the arrow keys for customers in retail shops to try out the feel of the mx blues - beware of damaged keys there if buying it off the shelf.
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True, MX blue just a noisy stuff but nice to hear also, beware will annoying people next to you.

No such thing as mechanical keyboard noob.
As long as know how to appreciate the beaty of mechanical keyboard that is enough.
I don't think mechanical keyboard is for gaming or typing or whatever, just let the user enjoy it then is a good keyboard especially enjoying some tough work like type 50 pages report.^^
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post Nov 25 2010, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 25 2010, 06:48 PM)
I've got a go at the BlackWidow Ultimate for a week now too (for testing only, decided not to keep).

The good:
- It's mech, it'll last long.
- MX blue switches, I know it is down to perspective and personal tastes, but I really like blue switches as I type more than I game on a PC these days. Feels, really really good. biggrin.gif
- Overall, the keyboard looks good. Nice backlighting, as you can adjust the brightness.
- Good gaming keyboard for RTS games mostly, as you won't naturally hold more than 2 keys at once.
- Macros? Macros are always a nice addition.
The bad:
- Like everyone has said, 2KRO. Phail, indeed.. phail. FPS gamers will hate this, if you're not hardcore and you only really press one key at a time... it's fine. But if you're a person who straffs diagonally while switching weapons back and forth, this is a fail.
- Even Razer says it is well optimised around the WASD area, I think it is still a turn off. You WILL need to readjust in order to compensate for the 2KRO issue.
- While I know Razer is all about the bling, the glossy exterior turns me off. Having to wipe off the dust every single morning is tedious, leaving the dust there will look like spiders live under the keyboard.
- Price... Nearly RM400 for the Ultimate and nearly RM300 for the Expert... I don't know, the Expert is an okay deal if you really just play RTS games. I think some people are selling the Expert for as low as RM280 now. But the Ultimate at RM400? Not worth it IMO, period.
All in all, I wouldn't call the BlackWidow a failure...
I mean, Razer could have really just upped their game on the keyboard. 4KRO would be nice, 6KRO better... I don't see the reason why they can't do this. RM400 for a 2KRO mech keyboard is a little bit of a turn off if you ask me.

Anyways with that said, returning this keyboard... ain't keeping it.
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Based on what i know, the 2kro actually affected anything.
They say BW is 2KRO only because the the keyboard fail ZXC.
Even though a hardcord fps player won't stroke ZXC together.

Price wise, RM400 for a mechanical keyboard with backlit. For me it is super cheap.
Compare to 7G, the price is just really really reasonable.

Anyway myself will still stick on my 7G because of the epic wrist rest. And my personal preference is MX black or RED is best which totally no click.
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post Nov 25 2010, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(jay @ Nov 25 2010, 11:18 PM)
cant the BW use a USB to PS/2 converter to achieve NKRO?
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@zandara
The converter can be found in most of the LYP shop lo. I got 3 to 4 with me.

@ jay
For expert version sure, the keyboard it work. For ultimate version, for higher level of brightness, ps/2 port might encountered insufficient power for the back lit.

For macro recording, the ps/2 port which only handling the keyboard function most probably cant work (i think so)
However, if say the BW onboard memory can handle those macro button and output it as keystroke to the ps/2 port then maybe can.
Since i don't have the keyboard, so all this only my guess based on some theory analysis, maybe you can ask bro those had received the BW to try for you.
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post Nov 26 2010, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Nov 26 2010, 12:13 AM)
Definitely ZXC is an issue.
Honestly though, the problem isn't a huge deal... you just need to re-adjust, but for me it is just a turn off.

What I'm saying is that, it isn't as bad as most people make it up to be.
I belief that Razer could have done better, but did not.
Can.
But on the ultimate, no lights and no macros.

For the expert, I can't say for sure since I don't have it but I'm pretty sure macros won't work too for the on-the-fly recording.
So if you're willing to fore-go macros, go for the expert... get a PS/2 adapter, and walla! Awesome keyboard for RM280.
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I won't let the macro function if i get either bw expert or ultimate.
No point to buy it anymore. If fore go the macros why not just go for 6Gv2, das, deck, ducky filco or whatever. More switches can be choose.
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post Nov 26 2010, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(zandara @ Nov 26 2010, 12:39 AM)
Yup, it is meaningless to get bw ultimate if macros are off and no backlighting. Perhaps you need full NKRO for certain games.
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BW only fail ZXC and any combination more than 2 arrows, means 99% of usage won't be affected except you playing o2jam or djmax.
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post Nov 26 2010, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(N1ck @ Nov 26 2010, 01:52 AM)
Cannot, BW is 2 KRO. A USB connection has a maximum of 6KRO unless helped by special software, so it has to overcome that 1st before being able to have NKRO. The cost of making the keyboard NKRO would be expensive anyway and more bw targeted buyers want a USB connection so no point.
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not really, after convert to ps2 should be more than 6kro.
and the chance for cant press more than 6 keys is very minority since still got anti-ghosting effect.
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post Nov 26 2010, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Nov 26 2010, 06:36 AM)
The bw wasn't designed to handle NKRO. So just using a USB to PS2 adapter won't give it NKRO capability.

Even the Deck Legend USB version doesn't give you NKRO even with USB to PS2 adapter. Because the controller sux :/

Only FILCO/Ducky/Cherry g80-3494/Steelseries 7G have NKRO via USB to PS2 adapter.

I heard plum keyboard can achieve NKRO via usb without the use of PS2 or adapters.
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I never means it will be perform nkro. Just means the optimization will help to overcome some problem due to 2kro.

haha correction, 7G no nid adapter, it is PS/2 port. (when i bring back hometown use it for my laptop still need PS2 to USB converter)


Added on November 26, 2010, 8:01 am
QUOTE(Phonzy @ Nov 26 2010, 07:11 AM)
would you reach a conclusion then, that the Steelseries 7G, even though a MUCH older model, excels in where the Blackwidow Ultimate fails? :/
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I won't conclude like that lo. They are just 2 different keyboard to fulfill different people's needs.

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post Nov 27 2010, 12:51 AM

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travelling with mechanical keyboard?

7G and BW both about 1.5kg, bring them to lan party? i rather just use CC ciplak keyboard.

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post Nov 27 2010, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Nov 27 2010, 01:21 AM)
get the red switch instead tongue.gif
btw, no body would like to bring a mechanical keyboard around
non of them less than weight 1.4kgs
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Ya, currently dream keyboard is 7G with red switches and the wrist rest is rubber coated or like the filco leatherette material. drool.gif
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post Nov 27 2010, 10:45 PM

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If you keep bottoming the key, what i think is 7G as noisy as BW.

But after you keep typing with it, to minimize the typing consumed energy, hand will automatically adapted and use less force and become silence and silencer. After that, i type on 7G is much much more silence than most of the membrane keyboard.

Keep bottoming the keys very tiring lo, at least i not willing to do so.
But some time i use it to ply SDO is super noisy.

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